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statement of rene descartes i think therefore i am a, but does the church generally allow thinking in the spirit of modern western rationalism. isn't the church about god, like absolute reason, when god has already thought everything for us. and we just accept it as it is. eh, now i will not talk about what deckard meant when he said this phrase and whether he said it exactly like that there more complex, as far as i remember the philosophical concept, but the essence is this, and you say, and what do you say god i've already thought of everything, and we're done. it's simple accept. it's one of the most difficult such theological hmm theological contradictions between on the one hand. we are all god almighty and moreover, he is the leader of everything, not only in relation to the past in the present. well, the future is on the one hand, as it were, and we want to say, well, since he knows everything what is happening in the future. it means that everything is predetermined in the future, but on the other hand, god
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gives people absolute freedom. the lord knows even from our free elections, which do not become free from this mini. we don't care do certain free choices. we decide to think. and therefore to say that the lord predetermined everything. uh, that's, well, not quite not quite right. as for the name of my channel, it does not refer to some teaching of the church or not to the way i do, but hmm, i think how i want to represent the church. he treats me personally. this is my personal perception. why do we why a christian should not think should, of course, wisdom, including wisdom, thinking - this is one of the virtues of christianity of your orthodox church colleagues, in addition to what you say, as a person who can really meditate
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wonderful expound. and you are also called an orthodox frenchman. well, this is connected, uh, i understand that you were born and studied in france , maybe you can tell a few words, but mutual ancestry. how is it related to the french or not, but i have a question. why did you once decide to move from france to russia france a country that provides, in general, all the opportunities for studying russian culture and there are absolutely no problems with this. why it was necessary to move in order to answer this question, i will really tell a little about the history of my family from the outside. and my mother, i am an emigrant in the third generation, that is, my grandfather immigrated, and from my father's side he emigrated in the second. my father, mother, was a citizen of france by the second generation of migration , we lived here for a couple of years, then we moved to france, but every year i came to visit my grandfather and grandmother here in the moscow region, so in fact, a significant part of my life, uh, passed well, first, in the ussr then, in modern russia, and actually,
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how i was brought up, then, like what i read from my youth and in childhood and, well, from the history of russia, literature of russia, well, russian literature, but i formed all this. i'm just like a russian person, that is, uh, you can, of course, learn a lot. about russian culture, living. yes, respectively, anywhere, probably, especially modern means, and knowledge of the world, but a russian person is called to live in russia, you are his home. well, since we are talking about the difficult fate of immigrants. how do you feel about for those who have now decided to leave russia, well, this is a choice, but i don’t really share it, but at the same time i know people who left, to which, well, even in the parish where i am the rector.
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there are such people. i cannot and will not, of course, condemn them. it really is their choice. but this choice is extremely not close to me, if i'm not mistaken , even charles de gaulle had the term for europe from the atlantic in circulation later already. ah, journalists. this phrase was changed by europe of lisbon to vladivostok in the current context, when we in general, such an expression, we can now hear in the european media we can say goodbye to this expression in general forever, as it seems to you, well, i’m not a soothsayer, and in any case, i’m not a perspicacious person, so i won’t answer your question directly, but here interesting, in the context of this question of yours recently to some of the ukrainian political figures. uh, well, you can’t say otherwise, he blurted out stupidity, yes, what else did the holy prince vladimir choose, uh, the european path, and uh,
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he made the choice of the european union, well, without independence it anachronism of this phrase itself, but in fact prince vladimir chose not this europe he chose, but what we know under the name of byzantium although the byzantines never called themselves that. they considered themselves the successors of the holy roman empire, they called themselves that, but, yes, they considered themselves the real heirs of europe, that is, europe has shifted from their point of view to the east, but actually, and in this sense, russia is uh, often argues yes in russia, an asian country or a european side, of course in russia in european culture, european heritage, heritage of european law roman law again, yes, roman byzantine religious heritage e byzantium and
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in fact, we can say about ourselves that we are europe, but does europe still remain so? well, this is also a big question, considering, at least, even just the migration flows that take place there, of course, europe in the morning. or she even lost her christian heritage , and not in the sense that she lost paintings there or in churches. though we know that temples are crumbling the terrible tragedy with notre dame is , in fact, such a symbol, but it is losing its christian culture, as such, therefore, uh, i don’t know if it will be possible to say about europe from lisbon to vladivostok, but at least a civilizational heritage the heritage is christian as long as we are its greatest exponents . anyway, we somehow got away from the topic of propaganda conducted by european media , this is the question with which i started, you certainly have an extensive circle of contacts in france remained at the very
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different people, soviet and church here. tell me how the curve of the attitude of the french , europeans, to the russians has changed since february 4, well, in fact, i don’t have many people with whom i communicate. this is to clarify the question a little with e. ah, but what, what do i hear from uh, a conversation with my parents with a few other acquaintances of mine, but really at first they talked about what was conditional, well, 50 to 50 the french, someone had a negative attitude towards russia to russians, someone then, well, rather, well, skeptical about what was said about russia because of state propaganda, and another thing is that this is hmm propaganda, uh, informational, and with the accusations against russia very sometimes they just mentioned funny at the beginning, but that
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russia also blew up the crimean bridge. and what a and what is russia bombing donetsk? well, who else? of course, yes, and all this. well, it's very powerful. people really, because, well, when uh it keeps coming from what's called all the irons, then one way or another you start to feel like it's true, but i think more quite a few french. i hope enough french keep their sobriety of mind, plus in fact, what my father also told me about, that for many there are more and more french. actually, the topic of what is happening in ukraine is of no interest to them. well, their own future and , rather, their own present, what is happening now with the economy from social france and so on in the last days of the situation, and the parents said that there were big problems with gasoline. this is due to the fuel for cars in general. this due to the fact that the workers
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of the slaughter plants cost and this and this affects everything, because it affects the transporters, respectively, the transporters increase the prices, respectively, the products increase the prices. and this, well, this is not a very comfortable and familiar situation for the average european, vladyko sdavich came out with a whole article called manifesto. why the anglo-saxons are fighting against the russian orthodox church. here, in short, why i started this article by simply stating the facts, when and at the end tenth years, and the pressure on the canonical ukrainian church increased, uh, in ukraine, and this project of creating an alternative alternative ukrainian church, the orthodox church of ukraine, as it was later called, precisely about the glossaxon ambassadors, had a very strong hand in this. we saw him visit some, and representatives of, uh, greek orthodoxy and promote this idea, that is,
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it was clearly a project. which was supported by , uh, specially, uh, the people who developed or supported it, but whether in america or in in england, i will say so the anglo-saxons in general, then literally this. e this summer spring this summer. we saw how similar processes began to take place very amicably in the baltic countries, very different there in all three countries very differently. now i won't, uh, go into details, but it's a synchronous and very similar process. i do not believe that it just suddenly happened without and without influence from the outside, without some general plan, not some kind of center, the russian orthodox church is such an element of russia's soft power as all elements. soft power of russia you need to limit it. this is a geopolitical judgment, which is probably partially true, because, and
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indeed we see in many countries, here are russian frames, yes, in the russian style, in which there is a russian sunday school and so on. that is, uh, this element is present, but again i would like to dwell on uh, another aspect rather metaphysical, what uh? i have already partly said about it today that there is a certain civilizational confrontation on the one hand. russia is the heiress of the christian civilization, the heiress of byzantium, which considered itself as the second new rome and we are not a face of this christian civilization, and the world that can now be called western and which is primarily personified by the anglo-saxon world, and this world is becoming less and less such an heir, if at all is so far. vladyka from your posts mm, look at our courageous fathers , brothers and sons. some of them may not return.
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they know about it. they know they're not going for a walk, but they're coming for us. ah, in all in recent interviews , i asked my interlocutors how they determine for themselves the victory of a special military operation, the victory of the russian federation, i will ask him and you, this is a question that i will not fully answer. and i don't intend to answer. there are questions on which it is probably better for a clergyman not to speak out in full publicly. although i have an opinion on this matter, eh, but i will say something else, that, firstly, his holiness the patriarch literally spoke about this. and this week, when he served, uh, in the assumption cathedral of the kremlin as a keepsake he said to the saint of moscow that yes, we want peace. and who does not want peace, in fact, everyone wants peace, of course, no one wants, uh, constant war, but at the same time, peace cannot be
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unfair, and the end of the war must be combined with a just world. otherwise, it will not end the war. he also said more and more quietly about this, i emphasize his idea. that will be a pause in the war, even if there is some conditional re- measurement. this is the first second that we will move to the world with, uh, in our people in our country, as we we will change, will we change for the better, because there is a metaphysically, rather a non-physically spiritual aspect that, and big cataclysms happen to people with nations with strange, and including because of the sins of people, we have a way out of chris one or a way out from the crisis of the other, and will we go to increase our own, and the morality of our people is the only thing of our people, the relationship to each other will increase or we will roll down and actually. but if we talk about
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what kind of victory in the war can be. here i would i wanted to say not about how it can be from the point of view of the general staff or the supreme commander or hepatica, huh? in the fact that to be strengthened in those ideals that are the ideals of our fatherland, to be strengthened in our faith , first of all in the orthodox faith, well, for someone, the non-orthodox among the russian people is composed of many nationalities, and with different faiths, to strengthen the faith in god in the execution of will. god knows us, i personally stopped communicating with a number of priests after february 24, when it seemed to me that their position has become radical no matter what they take aside, but when we say in our general groups, which are, uh, monastic there. yes
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, some church churches receive information, in addition to when confession is performed, when communion is there, when it is served at the liturgy, well , information of a political nature appears . different nationalities beliefs. don't you think that since the beginning of the special military operation , there are quite a lot of priests, well, you don’t get too carried away with politics, you have such a feeling that the priest thinks that he can and sometimes even should speak out about what is happening, as i said , in society or in the world there are statements of the holy synod there are statements his holiness the patriarch, returning to the same my telegram channel. in my statements, i try, at least,
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uh, on those issues on which his holiness spoke, besides the fact that he is the patriarch of all our church. he is also the ruling bishop of the diocese in which i enter moscow. he is my ruling er, well, ruling ar. it's more than a leader. this is the father, uh, your shepherd specifically. pastor of your diocese am and i, if i spoke out with a fetish on some issue, i will at least not contradict him in what i write, if i write on the same topic, so i don’t see why priests don’t could speak out on the issue of russian or russian or global society, it’s another matter that not everyone capable in general, not every person is able to write facebook in telegram vkontakte so we understand that priests received armor from mobilization, although due to the fact that priests cannot hold weapons in their hands. at the same time, among my
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acquaintances, a lot of those who served as a sexton were mobilized. in churches, they were laborers, they sang on the kliros, and so on. these people will take up arms one way or another, other people will be killed one way or another by their hands. they will return after the war, does this mean that anyway, life in the church is no longer will be the same, it will change, because people have acquired a completely new experience for them to participate in hostilities. i do not know what the result will be, because i have not yet experienced such changes in society. ah, by the grace of god, although it may be somewhere, it played a cruel joke on us, and in general, our last life was quite peaceful. how many 30-40 years. well, 30 years, suppose something changes in the life of our society. e of our country,
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when many dozens return. and even hundreds of thousands of people who have acquired another. probably life experience is unlikely to change. uh, first of all, these people are unlikely to return. well, the same as they were with the same one there, i don’t know, for a long time they often say that in the war, well, after all, a lot becomes black or white. yes? that is evil good, truth. not truths were clearly seen. it may not be quite, true. well, that's what they say, but again, this is an experience that we will have to face, what it will be, i don't know. the christian tradition has formed an idea of ​​the so-called just or unjust war, while that war itself is a sinful phenomenon at the present time this approach is applicable at all and who can judge whether war is just or not, in the end
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only god can judge this and as a rule, as a rule, about this history judges. how about after some time? well, what about the justice or injustice of war? it is very in fact, long and complex. again, a philosophical conversation, dating back to the blessed augustine, who gave certain definitions. uh, justice or the injustice of wars do not rob and civilians including, yes, do not, at least, uh, do not slander. well, it seems to be clear. yes, that is, do not tick, it is tell the truth to speak the truth. do not offend, well, it seems to be also clear, justice. the general tune in to the justice of what everyone else does. and as for, and the current war, then again, i, if we go a little beyond what is happening specifically, and there is a war in the donbass. after all, it did not begin this year, but it began, if in general terms, then in the fourteenth year in fact
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in fact, but this is a worldwide confrontation between the west and, in general, russia began much earlier. and we can attribute the bombings in serbia to the same processes, it was all one process of a great civilizational confrontation, which gradually crystallized a and led to what we know. now about the current war. yes, i believe that my country is right to fight. i can't track it down any other way, otherwise i probably would have left it. the russian orthodox church found itself divided by the front line from one and from on the other hand, people who profess the same faith have a common history. and if they also speak russian, then in general it is not possible to distinguish a russian from a ukrainian, while these people shoot each other, does the russian orthodox church experience this situation, as a tragedy,
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of course, about this, too, by the way, speak only about that we are talking about internecine strife , yes, that this is strife among themselves, that is, fratricidal war, but another thing is, uh, you know, war is always evil, this is a manifestation, but the existence of evil in this world is probably one of the highest manifestations of the existence of evil in this world. this does not mean that those who fight are evil or that they are doing evil, but war itself is evil, but there is even worse evil. yes, u look to break a man's arm and punch him in the face. this is also evil, but if, conditionally, my brother climbed on my mother with his fists and i have no other way to stop him, except to use this physical force, and if i don’t stop him, it will be even more evil, as for the current one. here is m-m confrontation, but inside a single one, in fact, like
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, uh, once the fraternal russian people, division within the church. eh, now is not really now at all not now for many, many years, but successively. and the leaders of the ukrainian state. well, actually not only them. and those who stand behind them, but consistently tried to crush the canonical ukrainian church in ukraine, and now they are gradually, apparently, they are trying to complete this plan of theirs , a video has been circulated on the internet, where a certain person in sacred vestments. he fires a shot from an rpg and declares that in this way the quote the moscow theological academy and seminary is fighting nato you know who this person is known, how you comment on this disgrace, he should not do that. well, firstly, this is a priest who , in my opinion, has been under a ban for 6 years,
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apparently, he got a little lost. you know, this is already such a church bureaucratic aspect, in fact, that a person was banned for doing something, just he, in my opinion, uh, tried to do something, almost ran for municipal elections or something. well, in general, as we were told in the diocese, where is he, where did he work. he's such a reprobate. and here, but then he was banned, and he just left somewhere, his business was lost, although in fact, in general, given that he actually left his ministry, then, but he should have been or what? he sana i think that this is also not far off the division within the church, then of course one of the biggest tragedies, the biggest tragedy for the church is when a person uh, something does something that can deprive him of salvation. this is actually the biggest tragedy when a person leaves god when something happens, and hmm violates the unity of the church or the unity of people with the
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church, of course, this is a tragedy . vyacheslav volodin announced that on october 27 the state duma would consider a bill on the full. ban lgbt propaganda. now it is prohibited only among minors, if the law is passed. she will be banned in movies and in books on television in advertising. and so on propaganda of lgbt propaganda of pedophiles demonstration of lgbt information that encourages gender reassignment is here, if in detail what do you think about expanding this ban is needed? it is, well, firstly, it is obvious that the ban in the form that was in force before that did not work. yes, and he was very easily bypassed, by anyone , and in any way, and, uh, all sorts of nasty things reached the children. and you know, we are very, uh, talking. here's lgbt something else recently there were some hearings
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in the state duma, in my opinion, or in the public chamber, there were some goals in the federation council, i don’t remember if there were listeners about this draft bill. and someone said let's call it name by name. the same lies, yes, but something indecent to say. well, you can’t talk about children, they are decent things. this is not good. uh, you can't show children indecent pictures. this is not good, but in general, propaganda propaganda of this kind of thing, as it is happening now, and what effect does it have on general stva in the plural? yes, western ours are some other kind of propaganda, it is very destructive for humanity, therefore, yes, i think that a ban on this kind of propaganda is so. he is correct he a protects our society from some phenomenon that a which is bad and destructive for the people for
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seven for children for adults we actually have many others, and phenomena that also destroy and which well, you can also talk about this would be to talk, for example, but some series that very popular, which talk about how good it is that a person has a lot of mistresses or how good, how interesting, when a person is engaged in some, well, not quite hmm decent professions. there are such series. this is also surrogate motherhood. yes, i understand that for a soviet person. this is a more complex topic, although it is obvious to us, but and about this, too, these are also bad things. well, if we start with what, well , maybe we won’t start, maybe everything else will remain the same, i don’t want to say what needs to be done next continue the ban. this is already, uh, questions to the legislator to uh, to reflection within the public. but what if we at least, uh, put a veto on a pretty dirty thing. well, yes, that's
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good. but we all grew up and were brought up at school on classical russian literature, it's no secret to anyone. who read dostoevsky's demons like karamazov's and other works, that often scenes pop up in him with the conversion of minors , speaking in modern language, this is pedophilia. and so the russian book union asked khinshtein, head of the state duma committee on inform policy, to check a number of books on the subject of what may already be prohibited in the russian federation, namely, they ask to check the quiet don shelkhov. oblomov goncharov thunderstorm ostrovsky at the bottom of gorky romeo and juliet shakespeare demons left the moment of this dignity, according to the representative of the rks. these works may contain propaganda of pedophiles, vagrancy, drug addiction, suicide. well , the russian book union is right. and also add
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us, if i'm not mistaken, that e, offered to check e uspensky here's about uncle fyodor for vagrancy. and here, which is also like characterizes this request in a certain way. yes , this is still scurrying, and not and not they are a fair request, in fact not, but in fact the russian book union is wrong, and propaganda is the transfer from e of the bearer of ideology to the addressee, whom he wants to achieve a certain ideology, yes or creator of ideology or gain, or you are an ideology. he wants to convey this ideology to his addressee, including some sensational books, uh, about same-sex relations between and there are some pioneers or something like that, there was recently. yes, it was noisy from all the telegram channels , and they were clearly aimed at
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bringing it to the addressees, that is, to the children. despite there it is 18 plus, we understand that all the same, children are children, they read it to convey to children that this is good. but i don't think that dostoevsky or shakespeare a says the same thing about the artistic image that he offers. he is good, he does not want to convey this ideology to him, as something that the reader must understand the issue in propaganda. let's take the definition of propaganda. yes this is precisely the message, the transfer of even a certain ideology to the addressee. here, in fact, what is proposed to be banned is another matter, that this eternal problem of censorship. what degree of censorship is acceptable? how should censorship be carried out, by whom, and so that the head should turn on, but uh, v- again, i repeat the current situation, when a propaganda
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of precisely all those types of perversions that a you that is, list to ask a question, and she clearly goes very so much that it destroys society and destroys destroys people, uh instills among children, first of all, but not only, but some m-th types of behavior that, in general, can lead humanity to a catastrophe daria kosatkina's interview on the internet with a coming out that she is a lesbian is propaganda of same-sex relationships. i'm not very interested in sports for rare extreme situations. that's why i honestly don't know who she is. and that means someone. uh, some famous women. uh, came out with a statement that she's what, she's engaging in homosexual behavior? why but here the question arises. and god teaches us
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speak the truth and be honest with yourself and with others. uh, daria's coming out was condemned even by her family members. and what, in this case, is it more honest to openly declare that there is someone or how many representatives of show business in our country have a relationship, there a man has a woman with a man, and for show they have a family, children, and so on from the point of view of orthodoxy, what is more honest question here is not honesty. look, if someone picks his nose , he does not have to tell everyone about this very behavior. well, funny example, but i specially such a simple behavior itself, but, well , unpleasant, but rather social, after all in this case, uh, i believe that this person. if she lived in a normal society, she
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should be ashamed of her behavior. it's her sin , it's a flaw. it's her a hmm reprehensible behavior, but why a reprehensible reprehensible to tell everyone about something does not mean that she should do it for show. so now i have a husband and children, this is already a lie, but she is not obliged to tell about all her sins, but in for all to hear we've already talked about the russian book union and here's what you think about the refusals of the donors hmm uh to print uh, margarita simonyan's book with the letter z on the cover, she commented on this refusal from several publishers at once. she said this is a sentence for all of us. well, uh, i'm not going to make any global judgments. well, i read this entry of hers, it’s about the fact that she was told that if you don’t remove this letter from the cover, then they
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simply won’t take this book in bookstores , so we won’t hand it over. well it behavior is strange enough, firstly, because after all a to a certain extent, and not only uh, demand creates supply, but supply also creates demand. why don't they want to try, after all? this includes risk. uh, the same margarita simonyan, even as i understand it, it publishes not at the expense of publishers. yes, and that is, it is a kind of commercial risk. i think that it is that people will go for it here, it is very important that it be quality literature, what is happening now. and this is really important for people. this is the subject for many not for all. indeed, for many , this is the subject of, uh, patriotic enthusiasm for the upsurge. ah, but in such conditions it very often happens that not very high-quality
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production appears, literary singing, but pictorial. well, simply because something important that you inspire under it can be sold, even. if in itself that's patriotism - that's good. here patriotism can also be sold something bad, therefore, with this caveat, that if we are talking about really good quality literary product, i hmm do not say so not mediocre, otherwise i do not see why, uh, this can be refused sentence to us or not? i don't know, but it's obvious to me that this is extremely wrong behavior of the book publishers of the book distributor, it goes against the interests. e of our fatherland. it's me, i say, not how sacred. and as a citizen, thank you very much, vladyka , for answering our questions, commenting on the latest news for those who are interested, we will definitely leave a link to your telegram channel so that people could subscribe and follow what
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representatives of the russian orthodox church think about current topics. thank you for visiting our studios. thanks to ekaterina mishka zhenya so that the participant is not from perm. maybe i'm not human either. christian trouble will come, do not go behind a stone. everything will be fine. no will not belong to me i will kill them all.
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