a hell of a world without superpowers offers two definite concrete measures. how can we balance this world order? because there are some things that we need to analyze if we put this report aside and we recently already analyzed the national security strategy document that was published by the united states . spoke about creating alliances with other countries of the world, and in this match categorically said that russia is a threat to the european security system and the european economic system. and china also poses a definite systemic threat. therefore, we accordingly return back to the american point of view. but on the other hand, if we look at america

, what america has been doing for the last 10 years, it must be said that america is losing its dominance. that is, this is no longer the same radiance of glory. they are the same pano-americanisms, which was before. let's look at the other part that was mentioned in the report. these are the chinese. so we were told here at the chinese communist porter congress, respectively, that the better it is to throw, the better the world will be. that is, it was said here, respectively, about a common destiny, it was said about harmony, but i must say that this view of things is not connected with strategic behavior. and this is a chinese-centric

world, respectively, and speaks of parity with the united states, for example, in the pacific region, if we look at as the world has developed now, even pan china is pan-chinese. in general, the indian point of view also does not follow from the current situation. where is go in this combo and i must say my ancients and civilization, according to our philosophy, and we say that one world is one family. this is an indian proverb and this was reflected in the external hopes that our prime minister spoke. accordingly, we are ready to invite

everyone to join us on this path, as far as our regional hopes are concerned, we need to say that this is reflected in the document that calls for the prosperity of all keber security, and developing countries should become developed in 2050. we have an aviation personnel program called self-sufficient in all aspects. recently, our prime minister spoke in tashkent and you can read it and you will see, you will see that war is not the answer. our award. mister has already explained the position of intim on the ukrainian crisis in various forums. and i must say that our minister is about. recently speaking at a conference

said that we do not believe in a hegemonic world order. this means that india stands for multilateralism, multilateralism and stands for a multipolar world world. i think what we need to do is we are now moving into the top 20 and for the last three or four years it has been the global and south that has topped the top 20. that is, indonesia was later abandoned, and therefore we will pursue common goals and objectives of the global south, now acting as a common front and advancing as certain trends. and as for russia, i think that russia has and the position in

the formation of the global south and, accordingly, we are ready to cooperate with russia in the metro pacific region, there are certain hopes for russia, especially as regards this triangle and india china and russia, but there are also areas where we it is necessary to work together in order to create a new world order in the first place, this is the position of the twenty and the global southwest. the tariff of the security council and with his he is the wto in narrow institutions opposition to climate change, that is, the fight against change climate and its consequences. and i must say that there are some regional associations, which also have their own contradictions. and i must say that these associations have become just such talking shops as we have them. but it is necessary to look at the geopolitics

of technology and the geopolitics of energy balancing. how do we respond to conventional security threats and also, how do we characterize, say, cyber security threats, and with that i would like to end my introduction. thanks big. thank you. i immediately have questions for each speaker, but i will ask them a little later and thank you so much for the reminder. to us the importance of respecting the temporary time limit. on the next speaker, mrs. indijajanta, head of national sustainability development research institute andy please thank you thank you very much for inviting me.

this is my first time speaking at valdai. i'm from indonesia. i'm the national sustainability leader. it is a think tank that subordinate to the government of the president. basically, i have one job. it is very simple for our president to understand that now we have moved to the fifth stage of our geopolitical evolution. conflicts are more related to tragic resources and all conflicts are related to opportunities to develop

new technologies. and most importantly, with the ability to create global networks. now we live in an era. and when everyone is connected to everyone, these are global supply chains. and if you look at maritime affairs. we can say that sea empires or pak with the american will be replaced by global connectivity of all with all through sea routes. and now we are trying to create this global, and connectedness already. we are talking about globalization, about creating one big global village and a whole. initiatives in this sense now exist one belt one road. ah, this is china's initiative biden,

proposed his initiatives in the twenty-first year of the russian initiative, but related to the security of supplies, and other resources of food. this is the corridor north, south and others global initiatives, for example, and in august of the twenty-second year he proposed his ideas and isa is interconnected, existing in the world. eh, lead to certain gaps and these projects, on the contrary, separate the world of such a project. the global interconnectedness of the world leads to disruption of communications and supply chains, trade wars arise, real military conflicts, what is happening between russia with georgia, russia,

ukraine, and the conflict around taiwan, and also this is a risk to maritime trade. we understand that, of course, must freedom of navigation freedom of trade flows. we must ensure the security of global supply chains and six. such here, but the most important routes pass through the factories of indonesia and also conflicts arise in technologies, of course, tied to different technologies of artificial intelligence. in the oceans and here , china and the united states are leaders in modern

technologies such as 5g in the thirtieth year, they say that china will become a leader in this sector in order to prevent such a rise of china by the united states is trying to distance itself from china in terms of technology, which again creates rifts, but from our point of view, the chinese movement towards the status of a technological superpower. it is said again that by the year 30, china will become the largest semiconductor manufacturer, which is the most important thing in our digital age, and the us measures, on the contrary, will help china become a technological

superpower. what's the best scenario? of course, this would be worldwide cooperation, but the main problem is the project. global interconnectedness. it only divides the world and endangers supply chains, because superpowers project their power and only intensify enmity between states and conduct economic licenses. can we rely on the fact that the superpowers can solve this problem that we need to change our economy, we must digitally consult the blue and green economy or the elections of

24-29 and for this indonesia needs not the superpowers not their power they play not what -some nuclear submarines of other countries in our waters. we need global cooperation in order for everyone to try to get out of the economic recession together, the pandemic needs short-term measures, in order to overcome the energy crisis with food and finance, we need to initiate a new global project that would truly connect all the global infrastructure projects that exist today and, on the contrary, separate the world . and we need to create more sustainable global supply chains. we need to achieve true sustainability. in connection with

parts of the world among themselves and most importantly, a superpower. uh, the world's leading will be, just this global connectedness perfect observance of the regulations. ah. china as the most powerful power that challenged the monopoly. the west has already been mentioned in our discussion recently, the views of the whole world have been attracted to china due to serious political changes and the development of the political order in this country. and i would now like to ask an old great comrade to speak. e dr. bath e professor executive director of the institute of financial research nothing yang people's university of china please thank you timothy thank you valdai club again for inviting me

over the past two months. i spent a lot in russia in twenty cities. uh, pretty much tired and writing articles and various discussions were related. uh, with russia, i wrote a lot of articles for chinese readers about some things that are not yet mutually understood, and we are talking about peace for the superpowers. but if you look at the media and look at international reports, there is a lot of misunderstanding, which is based on the actions of the western media, especially the media and the united states, of course they have powerful resources in the area. uh, coverage of events in

some countries, they prefer to demonize russia. china is true, if we talk about different aspects of the existence of states , politics, economics, the military sphere, and the media or dialogues or discourse, we see different standards, for example, the united states as a power of all, for example, at the political level at the political level, the united states is a superpower. here we see that, uh, in the political sense, the united states has a lot of criticism, if you look at the economic level in the past year. the us gdp was 25 percent of the global

debt, meaning the us lost its complete dominance of the global economy. this is why in the last 5 years the us has initiated technology trade wars against china but has not succeeded from my point of view even economic sanctions against russia and the us will not succeed. ah, the military budget of the united states, that is, there are signs of a superpower here, of course, because of the scale. uh spending on aa defense

compared to the next ten countries, but the actions of the us military have led to a mass of conflicts refugees of some tragic situations, because and therefore, it can be said that the world does not need a superpower in the military sense, and finally, a superpower in the field of western media ideology discourse. the media certainly, uh, influence the majority of the world on the internet by more than eighty percent. this is the english-speaking internet or russia

we can say that the image, while reading russia is demonized. even this can be said about india about indonesia. that is, there needs to be a discord based on great understanding in the future. what about china china since the fifties of the last century, we fought against imperialism, demonism, with the position of the united states as a superpower, we always opposed such a world order in which superpowers would exist, but my conclusion is such a process is a movement towards a new world without superpowers. this is the process of transformation we are moving to the world. by the way, a process is underway, our

position is such that this process should proceed gently and moderately, and we are doing everything possible for this to prevent, uh, war. that's why we are always patient even on the issue of taiwan, even when uh the us is aggressive towards to china, we are trying to avoid any wars, including the cold war. we are doing our best, as a country of peace and development, most chinese today believe that the weakening of the united states is inevitable and this process of weakening. and remember her whole so we think, and what do they think here, china what is the position

of china's strategy we want to protect the existing world order to achieve world development to protect world peace and in the future, china will continue thank you thank you very much. now we are transported to another, uh, shore of the atlantic here in eurasia a in the united states and i would like to ask our colleague to speak, and from the center for national interest

christian christian viton senior research fellow for trade strategy christian please thank you very much timofey i want to thank the organizers at the altai club for me the pleasure of participating in the conference, at least virtually with other distinguished finalists to discuss the transition of world to world. without a-a, superpowers john licare, and the famous writer e in the ninety-third year, he advertised his book about the cold war and in in general he wrote a lot of books, and he wrote that there will be a wonderful period for the us when the us will understand that

altruistic warfare will be part of uh future destiny, and i don't think that because of solanism will be effective. uh, we're global. village. even the european uh concept. uh, not enough for a square didn’t know that yet, but he sort of predicted these trends in the modern world when the cold war ended. uh, the soviet union collapsed, uh, the us and allies defeated iraq and the technology boom began. well, as it turned out the next 20-30 years. uh, it wasn't all that masonry, but even against the backdrop of jihadist attacks and financial crisis uprisings, continued economic stagnation. uh, the us still counted. and that they will remain a superpower that will

lead a unipolar world. of course, such a fit was fraught with many mistakes and just in the ninety-third year. uh, everyone was ready for it, but now this era is ending, as we say here, well, nevertheless, it is possible. uh that the us will continue to uh, prosper despite decline in the country's power for the year share quads before the interview in the ninety-second year, rospiro, a businessman. did you for a short time get more support during the election race than bush or clinton and uh? yes, he just said that the national debt was, uh, 61% of gdp, uh, 4 trillion dollars, and now, uh, 30 billion dollars. uh, trillions of dollars or even more percent of gdp and it was said that at that time it was the risk of a

national crisis, but uh, when the us growth was wrong, the dominance of the dollar, uh, created a situation where we could spend and take these obligations without much consequence, this stock of dollars was enormous. uh, the fed was printing new dollars to buy back - that's debt, and it wasn't that important. ah, high military spending and other reasons led to inflation anyway, the global supply of dollars by the end of the nineties was so huge that this budget deficit was not so terrible under bush they said that uh in the discussion ha, the budget on the capitalist hill there was no difference between uh republicans

democrats. everyone wanted to spend more in washington while funding the global war on terror. and uh, before the crisis of the eighth year. we've had a decade of economic stagnation and so on, what kind of financing, and the chinese economy has led to such an imbalance in the world in this decade. at least, let's say that until 2016 , when donald trump became such a problem with me, the main thing is pain, we are also talking about militarization, respectively, and with it, the policy in their under the troops from afghanistan became the result of a number miscalculations and mistakes and the us is now pro trying to move the main time. uh, we also see these financial costs on the shoulders of europe. the united states

sees china as the main threat to us, but it also turns out that the militarization of syria in the pacific region is also moving, i must say that we have approximately increased our public spending by 50%. and also, accordingly, their treasury will now increase the mission of dollars to deny them inflation much more than the external ball over the past 40 years and uh, multiplied by the increase in energy prices sanctions imposed on russia's relations, which also hit those who are in the fils and, accordingly, also an alarmist. we climate change politicians are not aware of it, but now politicians need to make difficult choices in the coming years and it must be said that now the end of the decade of zero interest rates is coming to an end and interest

rates and x-subsidies, respectively , add about 2%, and our debt every year and the money we need, so to speak, that the role of the dollar is refuted by doubts. and here. now have washington no longer has the power that it used to have china is trying to get out of financial sanctions helping russia to get out of the sanctions that were imposed on the russian federation, certain bonds were also introduced based precisely on the yuan of brazil india indonesia and the strange persian gulf. also now, uh, they are trying to mount into the sanctions that are being imposed on the united states and this will undermine the role of the dollar, when the country is about to come to some alternative currencies, and now some

russian banks issue loans in yuan to saudi arabia and accept payments for oil from china in yuan instead of dollars. this is only the beginning of this end, but it is quite clear that there will be many more alternative e currencies that will be used for mutual settlements in trade. and this will undermine the role of the dollar. further further. now i'm coming to the end. i think it would be a mistake, of course, to talk about the complete reduction of the role of the united states on the one hand, it is in a much better condition than europe, we are now in europe and chinese economic growth is not significant, and this is primarily due to, respectively, with the role of the chinese communist party you the policy of the president and with the consequences of cole 19. however, spending money and the federal

system cannot increase the mission of money, they increase inflation, however american politicians and voters will choose between the restrictive worlds that are imposed on high-speed russia or, accordingly, this will lead to stagnation in europe, and as shown history everyone prefers economic growth and we are now also talking about increasing the defense budget of vetom and therefore the future us president will have to somehow reform foreign policy in order to cope with the threats that are really on the agenda, for example, this cargo, which is iran or china and since the administration of george w. bush. and

these are questions however, we are now committed to a policy of increasing domestic consumption. that is, those production is on our continent and we want to be a more efficient america thank you very much, and i apologize for being a bit overstaying on my time limit. all thanks a lot. i will also come back to you, i will return with one of the questions. and now i would like to ask our esteemed participant from aushir professor to speak, and i am a bison professor of international relations and academic supervisor. e in geopolitics business school. mr subit, please. thank you very much. thank you. i would like to be with you today, but unfortunately, circumstances did not allow me to to make this a reflection of the time in

which we live and i wanted to thank the valdai discussion club for the heavenly invitation, i especially wanted to talk to dr. fyodor lukyanova and artyom pobuchinators. they did everything possible so that i could speak to you today, i will speak, or rather made several abstract statements, some of which have already been touched upon today, but i would like to speak in more detail for the preservation of wildness and in the challenges that are associated only with superheavyweights, but also with global south because i think the global south. this is exactly what challenges global hegemony. and it's a polar world and i think it's a

struggle, just between those who want to maintain the status quo and those who want to challenge that q status for a more democratic world. of order, we are talking not only among the superpowers, but we are also talking about the role of the global and the south. i share a pessimistic point of view, if you and i get acquainted with what said that march of this year is indeed a new world is emerging, but it should be headed by the united states, then the head of european diplomacy said that europe is such a paradise that is surrounded by jungles, these two statements,

which, from my point of view, reflect just such a unipolar world dominated by the west, which we are accustomed to the previous years and now this world is being challenged. this brother fight will continue. despite such a delusion, it is such an illusion that the liberal world order will last forever, because it is the best world order. it is assumed that regardless of all the mistakes and consequences that the global south is considered to have dealt a certain blow to the common good of the state, the conflict that we now see between russia and

ukraine is also a reflection of this competition for the struggle for the emerging world order. i don't know what the world order will be. will we go back to the cold war, but maybe some other type of cold war, because history does not repeat itself. yes, exactly, but in any case, we will move towards the pains of multipolar the world. that's where the transformations took place. i am sure that the result of this conflict will be. the emergence of a new world order, but no matter what may be the result of this confrontation of the international system. i am afraid that western

elites will continue to be challenged for their dominance. from my point of view, similar trends have been characteristic of the last decade by other states. that is, these trends appeared, they began to develop as a result of fatigue-stalinisms in the world as a result of the emergence of the global south. the global south, looks to the birth of alternatives. rzhav, that is, this is the rise of china. this is the return of the status of

all the powers of russia and so on. this is seen by the global south as a more favorable situation, which is no longer ready, but at least this is the impression that we get from the analysis of this part of the world, which cannot go to, let's say, subjection to hegemony, the west, as i said, is it all started before the current crisis in which we live. now, for example, now we see. gaining that gate there are discussions regarding the fact that western hegemony is a hegemony no longer having any moral right to exist, especially

in the global south. if you and i look from the point of view of the globa government, the south, respectively, opposes various interventions in different parts, mirak, syria and somewhere else, or even serbia and so on and so on . that is why we see that the global south. refrains from participating in the conflicts that are currently taking place, despite certain the pressure that is being exerted on many developing countries and in the global south. i myself think that these countries will be in an advantageous position, which

will be able to unite in some groups like, for example, this is the sco, or this is the brix which has become more and more popular in recent years. or even the last months of the meeting that took place recently. this dependence is found in narrow agreements and must end or at least be less pronounced now that there is a new alternative a new world that may appear. i think it will be related to consolidation around non-western values ​​and points of view. i think that these non-western norms and values ​​will in turn lead to the decline of the liberal world order or liberal

kikimony. the western state is now being called for a more equal world. accordingly, it was less, let's say so. that there was more justice and i think that these countries will fight for a more independent policy for non-interference in internal affairs. these are the changes that await us in the international system and there is a need for closer cooperation and natural development that excludes the exploitation of natural resources. that is , what we see in the countries of africa is the denial of any non-colonial policy. it is quite

obvious that there is a demand for a new multipolar world order. and at the same time we see the development of the non-aligned movement and cooperation between different countries, especially in the global south. this is how they respond to development needs. i'm sure there is a demand for a less erotic world a more stable sustainable world that should originate on its own. nobody imposed this

model of development. it can be composed of completely different components and this will lead to a reduction in global tensions and will lead to greater cooperation between countries that face more important challenges. such as climate change pollution food stocks poverty. here are all the factors that the global and yuhu and the global are ready to cooperate in order to put an end to this, the rising cost of energy products nutritional erosion of living standards. not only in the

poor countries, but also in the developed world of the industrialized world, so i think that if the major powers recognize or any other countries that are killed by hegemony recognize that the struggle for hegemony will lead to the apocalypse. i think this will be such an industry moment for all as we create a new world of order where legitimate concerns and security lead to impartial diplomacy of politics. i think this is what the global will only to greet. i am convinced that the return to the

princes and systems of the collective. danger will be the best scenario for stabilizing the world order and this particular world order. again, it will be welcomed not only by the global south by many in the developed and developing world, even in rich countries that now live much worse than they used to. i now see a decline in the standard of living of people and this applies to europe which require more cooperation. rather than confrontation conflicts. thank you very much for your attention. and thank you very much professor zubire. let them. i won't let you go right away and i'll ask you an additional

question. and those who deal with international relations know that over the past 30 years. ah, the most common stereotype about the middle east and north africa was instability terrorism and the threat to the world now we see that the most important threat to the world does not come from the interaction between russia and the west from the middle east and could not briefly characterize the situation in the middle east region . here in the conditions of 2022, and where international terrorism, which we were afraid of, where is the instability, where are the numerous threats, or how does it all look now. the main thing is that now the problem in the middle east is, of course, not terrorism.

rather, it is a safety for people social service. especially in the context of the pandemic, which showed real problems in the regions. i don't think the middle east as a whole wants to take one side or the other. here they want to deal with these everyday issues, rather than issues of global security, interventions, and so on. former allies, usa they reject a more democratic world order that would benefit everyone, as if throwing something is trying to be

imposed and i now have a request for a more balanced policy for a policy that would take into account the interests of these states. they are some kind of egoistic e, interests, superpowers, we talked very convincingly about how interaction between the state and in eurasia, including, but for me, as a person who is trying to deal with international relations raises the question of what degree of, uh, peaceful relations and stable relations between the major powers is necessary for this. we, uh, see that the major powers of eurasia and china and india have uh, sometimes very difficult relationships. when can and should we expect

complete reconciliation and harmony between the two asian giants? thank you for this question ideal world on our planet. this 3c illusion will characterize cooperation competition if competition that instead of borrowing maximum point of view and imposes his point of view on others need more moderation. planes in order to maintain a dialogue common

philosophy in general, and in your report. it can be traced and our leadership talks about it from time to time, if the very concept of the asian century is talking about relations between india and china. it is the center of attraction in the world. on my own. china can not become a conflict with china understanding each other's key interests in

what can offend or charm a partner is, of course, a couple of urgent issues countries believe that the resolution of the border issue is the most important and but here we need a dialogue approach that is mutually beneficial on the border issue. and after that, without this, it is difficult to move on to some other areas. we sincerely hope that, uh, the chinese country realizes this reality and this border issue so that both countries achieve synergy and improve economic ties, so that friendship in this new

world, you are very interesting to draw our attention to the fact that in the world of the future the center hegemons will not some kind of state, and infrastructure connectivity is the ability of states to interact rather. and now we see how, uh, the state is increasingly creating alternative ways of interacting with each other in trade finance in other areas, but at the same time, the scale of centralization and monopolization of the world economy. it's still significant those ships that carry goods from indonesia to europe or japan they're still insured by the monopoly companies that are out there in new york or london. what do you think, uh, is it necessary to completely break the monopoly in

services and basic services for the world to become truly interconnected? we need to think carefully about what we mean by such words as a goemon to the superpowers monopoly especially after the second world war. as far as i understand it, the us is a superpower because it has received the support of a number of systems. it is a collective security mechanism. the un is globalization. even dominance helped here.

the power of multinational corporations has increased, especially in the us and east asia, what else is there? at the us does not have others, this is the projection of us military power in fact around everything even china does not have such an opportunity to project war around the world if we want to get all these systems

that supported the status of the us free trade and the principle of organizing multinational international companies and the dominance of the washington dollar consensus. it is now being challenged by, say, beijing, which is creating its infrastructure projects for financing asian projects in africa, there is already a connection between one finger one way, the corresponding maritime trade project in indonesia, and a new model of global connectivity is emerging. and here you need to think. what is the structure of the political economic military system that led to

the fact that today the us is a power? we all more or less imagine what we want the role and place of the us to be, we don't want it to keep disappearing from world economic politics. we want it to remain a fairly serious balancer and a part of the multipolar world, but not claim to be world hegemony. ah. here is your e, based on your assessment of the development of the united states and the main factors of internal stability , the ability of the united states to maintain internal order. can america become what we want it to be? there will be elections in a couple of weeks, and

in one chamber in both houses, president biden's party will most likely lose. uh. here is the last presidential election. it was also very difficult, there were a lot of disputes and disagreements and people are trying to express their point of view. even if they don't agree, even though we hear that, uh, everything in the usa divided and so on, but if you walk the streets in any us city now, you will see that everything is fine there, the system is quite stable and reliable. how this will affect foreign policy is not yet clear. it is not yet clear what will happen to the elections for 24

years. i worked in the trump administration, and he has trump to nominate himself and most likely a biden. at least, this is such a possibility, it is not clear what the future will prepare for us, but more attention to the pacific region to the pacific region. well what is it really so we are talking about a multipolar uh world, as our colleague from indonesia said, we need to get rid of all these uh elements of the current system. and even if the us is less, uh, present on the world stage, it is unlikely that it will be able to solve the problem of chile, we see this, and although i criticize our foreign

policy, the us hegemony was still quite moderate in a military sense, of course, the people in iraq in syria in afghanistan they may not agree with me, but we still supported the mundane region thanks to our fleet and so on, but we no one was detained there, but for the fact that they were not forced to pay for the ships passing through our territory. now, if another country takes over, put the position of hegemon, will it be as moderate and what will happen next with the united states, we will focus on external, and external economic affairs or on, uh, internal affairs, we are looking at the accomplishments of the popularity of the bidens, when many

are now no longer approve of his activities - this, of course, is largely related to the problem in gorestan and voters, of course, will show their attitude towards this, but still everything will not be clear, the next couple of years the majority. well, more precisely, all the international institutions that exist now, from the united nations to regional institutions. ah. except brix and sco were created by western countries in order to maintain power after the second world war. well, to exercise. in international affairs smarter in a smarter way, including the g20 where our leaders will probably meet soon in indonesia from your point of view

hmm what is the fate of international institutions and all universal international institutions, if our world ceases to live according to the rules by which it has lived for the last 500 years, then maybe we need to come up with some new forms of systemic interaction or we don’t need it at all they this is the most important question. i agree. but i'll come in from the other side, answer your question ending 30 years ago. in china, hundreds of thousands of scientists began to study the lessons of the soviet union, the united states and china, the lessons of china can learn found began to grow

china's rise began in the 1990s. remember i disagree. we have learned two lessons. first lesson. if you develop constantly, you must first of all satisfy the needs of the needs within the country. this is why china has focused primarily on domestic affairs over the past 30 years. economic growth policy of social equality. that's the kind of thing the second lesson we've learned is that i need to wave too much if i rely too much on the

military power of myself. 2,000 years ago, one of our ancient philosophers wrote that if too much fight you will perish as a world power. why has the us declined so much over the past 20 years too much military power, syria afghanistan libya iraq the us has destroyed itself because of this, the us has weakened itself. why states because?

and coming back to your questions about the future of international institutions, what can china do here. and to be honest, we don't know. nothing is clear now, but we at least have our own internal questions. maybe we should decide and then we will continue to promote international cooperation in the near future focus primarily on domestic matters , domestic needs, as far as international affairs are concerned. we are not just trying to invest in infrastructure at the international level. asshole

despite the border problems moderation same thing in taiwan, try to solve everything peacefully. i can say that today we need to be especially careful not to have another regional united states, dear

friends. we still have a huge amount of time more than 20 minutes and now i wanted to invite the participants. from the hall join our discussions with your questions and comments, please. here is tanya's question to our algerian colleague and all the experts, if possible, to our algerian friend, such a question as it is possible to influence the movement and

this helps the movement as a whole not to join, that is, what will happen if all participants win such an optimistic question from this point of view, that similar? we are somehow forgetting this atmosphere of conflict, which is now being observed, we have abandoned unilateralism to some new world order. we go

in the direction of multi-lateralism, nato has integrated the eu a former soviet bloc country, they are all united here. it will work, that is, a counteroffensive from eurasia will begin , maybe we are too optimistic, maybe we don’t take into account that the situation is now that everyone is trying to seize the initiative because of the events on the ukrainian front. unless russia

can. and then we go back to our members, please, second in the second row, right? here he sits at home in the second, right? th bones my question will be addressed to christian christian problem of the world - this is the militarization of everything and the united states just went for it. my question is this. i remember that our first president some time ago said that all security alliances should be gone because they only destabilize the world, what do you think on this subject the united states will go for it or not for the americano the elimination of all defense alliances, forests, yuuza, let's say nato is first or

given, let's say it leaves nato thank you very much. i will just comment briefly. if i may, what did our e, chinese colleagues say. i must to say that there is a very delicate balance in the world right now and india i must say that you are balancing very delicately between russia and the united states found concepts there, that is, uh, how hmm will we balance if there are some offensive actions in relation to someone, i think that now a certain set of conflicts has formed, in particular regional conflicts. this will require us to consolidate. what did

our previous colleague say about integration? various military and economic strategies, i think that we need to be very careful not to think that, accordingly, we will be able to avoid any conflict that may now arise in the region, that we control all resources. no, we do not control propaganda , we do not control all public opinion. now we can control only this caution. that is, we say constantly need to be careful need to allow conflicts and so on. that is, i would not like to act now as third-party confrontations. i would say that we are not we can control the point of view in this part of the world. the east is very developed. we have problems

such as poverty, we need to avoid war for this very reason and on the other hand it is carried out. for some exercises, let's say a little light is flown in the north sea. on this, professor zubir, then christian, and then all the other participants on additional questions, the remarks of the professor. thank you very much for your question. i understand that the election of lula will have certain first-line consequences for brazil for the internal policy of this country, accordingly, it will be necessary to respond to the consequences of the current policy in russia with regard to brix keep the same.

here the global south or strong middle eastern powers in the global south deny such a confrontation of such tualism got out with us or against us here is what is happening now within the framework of the conflict between russia and ukraine, we see a call for the demand of some countries in the global south to stand on the other side of russia, that is

, these countries are not ready to oppose russia put up with being told no. you can't do business with russia. you shouldn't buy weapons from russia. you can't be friends with russia. very counterproductive. i think that lula will do exactly the same as his colleagues. algeria and centanesia and other countries, that is, it is necessary to have an independent policy, the countries of the global south do not want to be dictated or imposed on behavior, that is, colonialism is no longer acceptable, but the global south. i think the west needs to come to terms with the fact that the world is already changing changed and policy on the global experience. they are so stubbornly so straight forward

they believe since the establishment of institutions. the liberal system is considered the best, but other countries have been asked. they say we'll do business, with whomever we want to eat and alternatives in this world, we can succeed. because we will deal with one or the other, but no one can dictate terms to us. uh, i personally do not believe that the state is capable of making concessions until all possibilities of resistance have been exhausted, ah, but it's expected of you, which is interesting and, uh, i mean, the valued states are expected to. a specific question was addressed to you and a general question to the whole group. well, right question, it seems to me to burp the issue of creating alliances. and now as already

said both parties in the us really go for the preservation of alliances and again, because there are always movements on the street from this side, for example, the us has a very good union of japan because we believe that this strengthens our security in the pacific . japan feels the same way also. it's interesting that the issue is related to this revival of nato that looked so outdated, then of recent times and you know that and our actions in afghanistan were very unsuccessful and then the us even had to withdraw its troops. joe biden's foreign policy, respectively, was different from trump's. that is, there was a stake on europe and to what extent

he will be able to pursue such a policy, that is, the stereotype is to ensure security from a threat that most important in the eyes of many americans, i mean, i'm first and foremost, china, but the joe biden administration avoided alliances with the most important countries , and by extension those countries. now they can, respectively, behave as they want, because they have their own directions, and politicians, because they have military potential, have the economic potential of french arabia, the persian gulf countries and, accordingly, the extra east. have your own. let's just say the mall is singapore and the joe biden administration has worsened by our relationship with japan with south korea and continues to maintain the alliance of australia and so we are cooperating with uk australia in order to accordingly be able to

supply nuclear submarines to australia and i think the renaissance of nato if indeed it will be so here's the spirit, inspired by you. this is the second life in this alliance. if we look with you yes, a lot is said, let's say. uh, germany, when the conflict in ukraine began, they said that they would spend more money on defense and they had an extra the policy will change and many europeans will also join them. but, if you look, now, how ukraine is financed from abroad, it is mainly the united states, that is, this very alliance that matters. that is, i will say that the alliance is out of storage. this will be the key to understanding us foreign policy but accordingly, i think that in the future we will put more emphasis on asia uh question to the whole group. e of our participants was, uh, briefly talking about, isn't it too early for us to celebrate the advent of world democracy. e, and. e, based on

the fact that conservative forces are still strong enough to unite and can still show us all kuz'kin's mother, and general charm. what do you think, what do you think? also, well, i wanted to answer two questions. the first question was from a colleague in the audience, and the second was a question from mr. avatar, a very specific question was asked. i don’t think we need to apply, and i already said in my opening remarks, the culinary approach to the conflict in ukraine, that we now live in a very changed world and we don’t have any uncertainty associated with it. the answer to these questions is uncertainty. he also spoke about social interviews, this is what

history teaches us rather than. here is the eternal question related to russia what goals are you achieving in ukraine from my point of view? well, at least, based on the bone that was carried by its european counterparts, there is no single opinion. the first is that we will return, respectively, the donbass luhansk to donetsk, respectively , then we will return to the borders that existed until the fourteenth year and the europeans continue to work in management there is another point of view from europe that made us usa russia

but i would say that now this is the opinion of a minority of the majority believes that maybe? blue would have to avoid leading troops to ukraine, certain signs of the snake position of the european union, that is, there is not a monolithic opinion of the three countries, germany, france and hungary, and now the delegation went to china, which means that democracy and so on. so what happens next. whether build up fatigue and it will change the situation, but at the same time. let's

see what russia wants on what it wants end the war and you need to create and let's say so in the field for diplomatic maneuvers and negotiations. and this is war. economically, russia is still holding out and russia may even get international support from countries such as china as middle eastern countries such as turkey and iran and i would say that to stay afloat economically a lot will depend on the relationship between russia and china and india because that this turn to the east. it is connected precisely with the relations between russia, india and china. maintain these relationships. i think this is something that can be discussed. in other discussions or

in curators, regarding the question of the lord, i agree with him that we should say so be it and across the wide ground or pessimistic, but also said that india keep such a delicate balance, but we have a reworked geopolitical imperatives , india is located on the edge of the earth, therefore, it is accordingly connected with the european union continental and we also have a bridge about space, therefore, we need to balance between sea powers and eurasia, and we are trying to balance between these two areas, but based on our fundamental principles and civilizational values. and we will not give up on them, as regards

preparations for the war of the forty-seventh year. we are preparing for war, and i don't think we will have any problems, therefore. direction, but countries that respect themselves, that respects, uh, territorial integrity and sovereignty - we are building up military potential and a manger against us, a war will begin. we will fight until last soldier. what needs to be looked at more closely are three variables that are associated with the decline of kikimony and the world order. the first is imperialism and spot imperialism in the first place. it is the undermining of the military power of the us police

to ensure the security of the world second is the lack of innovation is not the ability to create new technologies, especially now with the rise of china to become a superpower in the field of technology in the field of anti-technology and 5g technology but the main issue. does it replace the us what will replace the us can we live in a world without superpowers? can we live in a more multipolar world and see the building of walls, we need to reconsider the collective security system, reconsider the role of the imf or the global stability monitor of

politics, reconsider the roles of the world bank so that it gives more assistance to the global south. we need to reconsider the global such a unitary projection to reconsider the position of global defensive alliances should become the only superpower. the century that you release stable, which will bring economic prosperity to the world in the first place, i must say, regarding china, regarding china, china has never wanted with all power.