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. ekaterina gracheva is with you and, as always, on weekends, on the air of the russia 24 channel, we discuss the main secular news with representatives of the church. and today our guest is vakhtang kipshidze, deputy chairman of the department for church relations with society and mass media, vakhtang vladimirovich hello. thank you for coming to our studio. hello well, this thursday the state duma adopted a package of laws that would ban lgbt propaganda propaganda of pedophilia demonstration lgbt information that encourages gender reassignment among adolescents previously, this ban only applied to information disseminated in the middle of adulthood. now this ban is total as in this regard. how do you think the information and cultural space in russia will change ? i would like to start by saying that this is a long overdue decision. in my opinion, it is dictated by

the declaration of the family as a value of our society, as constitutional values. and so to forbid what destroys and tires her to question it on in my opinion, the demand of the time is the demand with which we support in every possible way. as for the change, i think that the very adoption of the law at a single moment will not change everything, but the law obviously lays a very good legal basis for a fundamental change in russia. media space we know very well that this space, of course, not all, but in many of its parts was filled with relevant propaganda. uh, many people showed their preferences. so that begs the question, what awaits the traditional family if it is not protected. so i think that the initiative of the church. uh, the church has always supported the idea of ​​a ban, not

only the lgbt agenda, so to speak, in the public space. well, in general, any agenda that promotes sin sin is not exclusive there are no more important and less important sins, any sin. it injures the public consciousness in one way or another. therefore, we consider it completely unacceptable to promote it if we want to create a society based on genuine values ​​and marriage. family fidelity sacrificial ministry of patriotism. uh, i think that these specified law, but it is consistent with these purposes. what do you think the outcome will be? well, in some medium and long term, that in russia after the adoption of this law there will be fewer lgbt representatives, i don’t have statistics on the growth of representatives of the lgbt community, but they are not the point.

the fact is that public space should be a space for promoting and supporting the correct meanings of meanings that correspond to the traditional values ​​of russian society. here i am i want to say that uh sodomy behavior, uh, it does not correspond to these values, so promoting it will create some special advantages for him in terms of promotion. how it is done in western countries and we are all witnesses to this that in the medium or long term, of course, it would cause irreparable harm to the future of our state and people, as for the amount and influence of propaganda, i think that, well, we have this thank god hmm it wasn't like that even before the law was adopted, but e in a number of western countries. actually lgbt propaganda. it has become the most perfect

mainstream of the public field. uh, it was believed that here hmm they should be. i mean these views. eh, they are presented in non-powerful plots and in analytical programs, and even in cinematography everywhere, that is, everywhere it was necessary to promote this agenda. and, of course, it is propaganda that has transformed a number of western countries, and above all. this is clearly seen in the example of the united states of america where e. hmm, still there 30 years ago. the vast majority of people were against the gaybracks, and now the majority is against it, i won’t say absolutely, because many people are also against it, but nevertheless, now the majority is against it. here is a subpoena for gender dialogue for the legalization of same-sex cohabitation. and this whole package, in fact, is destroying human society. e theses. well, look, after all, since 2010, the ban has already been

applied to the most sensitive part of the audience of minors, we all understand that and in our country. uh, lgbt people were we don't like pyotr ilyich tchaikovsky less because of what his orientation was, really, why didn't the 2010 law work? why was it necessary to pass another package of bills? uh, before i tell you. why was it necessary? i would like to point out that here is uh, one of uh, one of the ways to promote the lgbt agenda. this is an attempt to enroll some famous eggs in the representatives of the homosexual community, as for pyotr ilyich tchaikovsky, uh, was he a representative of this community or not? this is a big question, of course, from the point of view of lgbt propaganda, many would like to be enrolled there, but we think we should not follow this logic, because it seems to suggest. here is some misleading.

besides, what i want to see you is that in the nineteenth century. it was absolutely not customary to advertise your sexual preferences and judge there by some kind of diary entries. it really is. well, in my opinion, it’s too superficial. as for children, you are right here, of course, children are the most vulnerable part of our society, and they must be protected from this kind of influence in a special way, by the way, this is largely preserved in the amended legislation, which establishes certain specifics for children. but you know, there is a big problem here. uh, our modern public space and, above all, the space of social media, it cannot be segmented so that this part is only for children, but this part is only for adults , any child, having accessed the internet, but in fact, as you know filters, they are not very well developed maybe push a button everywhere, that he is already 18, and

this also applies to russian social networks and part of foreign networks and just search engines and a child. can get this whole package of traumatic content here that can actually destroy his personality destroy his identity and uh, also harm his future life, family life, parenting, having children. this, in my opinion, is very dangerous and it was necessary to establish a total ban on propaganda, here is a russian journalist, by the way, a former korm mikhail za igor, a graduate of the same mgimo university with you, author of books, the entire kremlin army, the empire must die, an important remark, announced in the country and recently married an agent. or got married. he himself wrote does not know exactly how to formulate it married an actor. here, uh, he's his open fireplace, so maybe we can mention them. here in this connection. i wonder what

his partner is now writing husband. all my life i've struggled with myself conforming to generally accepted rules and commandments dating girls and i also parted from the guys the only person to whom i did not have time to tell about my release - this is my mother several times more double. i was going to talk, but i couldn't. what i regret. i was afraid to destroy her orthodox life and did not want her to suffer in the comments they write to him about her mother, she sympathizes very much with orthodoxy, life has broken many. unfortunately, you agree that orthodoxy is precisely many representatives. the life of the lgbt community has been broken, i am convinced that orthodoxy not only has not broken the lives of many to lgbt people, but on the contrary, saved their lives and futures, and many of them. i'm sure. i have heard this from many professing priests to take food to church in order to fight this passion, to restore the integrity of their personality and receive

spiritual help. and i think this help. in a large number of cases, the same people who think that orthodoxy has broken something there have been effective. they are either very strongly influenced by this or that passion, or they do not understand what orthodoxy is and do not understand the most important thing is that it is faith that gives a person freedom, freedom from passions and empowers him to strive for happiness for happiness. i consider, first of all, as family happiness. a person can find happiness in a monastery, he can find happiness, and this happens in loneliness too. the main thing is that a person be with god and it is god who gives him freedom. and here are those, so to speak, attempts to justify themselves for their sinful behavior, the so-called coming-outs, which turned into a political show of gender, so to speak they actually demonstrate hmm very much. in my opinion, the great inferiority of these people, because

they cannot a refuse. from the need to prove something to someone, to be photographed means to participate in parades in the appropriate appropriate flags. they endlessly try to prove to others and to themselves that they allegedly made the right choice. in fact, they made the choice to destroy themselves. hmm. this is very sad. here is another comment that is being written. uh, so in response to the news about mikhail's wedding igor, with actor jean michel. god is first and foremost love. one thing. behaving on the occasion of 7 minute hedonistic desires is quite another to go through the torment of finding yourself that, the real you, which he, that is, the creator of you created you, you found yourself made a conscious choice. and it's great, like every choice this can entail , a lot of joy. and you know, in my opinion, this is what falls under the recently

adopted law, because as you well know, uh, one of the theses of lgbt propaganda is that allegedly these sexual preferences are innate, but this is perfect chinonsens. no genetics neuroscientists. this has not been proven. uh, no scientific evidence. e, confirming this conclusion. no. this is just the thesis of lgbt propaganda, the simplest example. if you take a m-m pair of gemini, it may turn out that one of them has become a homosexual, and the other adheres to the traditional sexual orientation. with that genetic set. as you understand, they are completely identical; this data completely, so to speak, simply and clearly refutes here is this stupidity and lies that allegedly someone was born predisposed to this sin. any person. uh, born predisposed to salvation. part of being able to uh find your way to god but

what you just read is just hmm let's say. so an example of those people who are lost, who believe that supposedly sin can have something in common with love, but this is not so love, in my opinion, cannot have anything to do with sin. and when we read, uh, in the books of the old new testament, that those people who practice sin not only the gregs of sexualism on any other sins will not enter the kingdom of heaven, then we perceive this not only as a threat. we take this as e evidence of the freedom that we can use to acquire the kingdom of heaven, and not be subject to, e, passions. and i must say that not everyone welcomed. there, then this wedding is open. and here, uh, one girl writes, clearly mikhail is embarrassed by her inferiority. he is ashamed to have a daughter of shame. what is not natural? sodom and gomorrah, well, you need to make a reservation that these are comments on the video where he

openly, it means kissing a man. i had my first thought too. after all, he was married. he has a daughter, a daughter who is still a minor. but such kind of coming-outs from your point of view, from the point of view of the church, they are an infringement of the rights of minors. maybe she doesn't want to know about her father's orientation. it's her right. you know, not everything can be regulated by law. i think that a loving parent would never do anything that would endanger his children. here is the man who puts in the center, let's say the universe itself and its passions. he does not care about what will be his near and dear this is perfect. in my opinion, a logical outcome. realizations, this is e aspirations to sin, that is, a person who commits a sin does not care about him. yes, people around. he wants to be, so to speak. e hmm the most important thing in this world. he wants to

impose some behavior patterns on everyone, and he does not want to take into account anyone's interests, but i still have questions. and the russian federation is proud that in the new amendments the constitution spelled out separate slings that marriage in russia is a union between a man and a woman, we insist that we are the last traditional values ​​in europe to europe are sometimes derogatoryly called a hero. why then is there so many divorces in our country? here are the latest statistics from last year in russia, there are 65 divorces per 100 marriages, and in germany, where same-sex marriages are legal, uh, only 32 divorces are half as many per 100 families. that's why so? first of all, i would like to remind you that we have proclaimed the family as a traditional value relatively recently, and before that for several decades. we are unfortunately allowed

in the public space. uh, destroy the family. in this media field, we have presented any kind of values, except for their family. eh, here. e. for example, i can hardly name a married couple who would be publicly known, who were recognizable, who would set an example for people, because there are almost no such couples. well, maybe one or two . here i remember a couple of makarska, who are everywhere together, but this is a minority, so to speak, i'm not afraid of this word, and therefore we need to change. the meanings that we are trying to put into people's heads through the public field through the media , including i hope that the adopted law will change, but of course, we have already reached such a stage, let's say, when divorces, uh, which by and large are encouraged , including in the public space, because everyone should try , everyone should have the opportunity to look for, and

make a husband's wife for himself. this is every five or 10 years. such thoughts also sound, what do we want from this so to speak, what happened was what should have happened, that is, a huge number of divorces. people have ceased to appreciate family values, because everyone is ignored by everyone, let's say. so hmm scornfully criticize think that this should be urgently stopped, otherwise the family as a public institution. eh, it will turn out from the point of no return percentage vladimirovich have you read it? or are you with these numbers and this is a recent study, it was carried out by a consortium of women's non-governmental organizations of non-governmental organizations and now it calculated the number of murders of women by husbands in russia in the twentieth year current former accounted for 70 and 9/10% of the total number of murders of women in the country, and in the twenty- first year at the peak of the pandemic, even more, almost 72%.

that is, certainty. we can say that self-isolation had a negative impact on the increase in the percentage of domestic violence. it is no secret to anyone that there is a belief that the russian orthodox church is one of the main opponents in the country. why hasn't the law on family domestic violence been adopted in russia yet? i'll ask the question directly. is it so? and you know, let's deal with the concepts what you said killing women - this is in terms of legal definitions, not domestic violence is murder. this murder, which is so criminalized and prohibited by criminal law , is good for everyone. it is known that husbands' wives cannot be killed, as well as husbands' wives. yes, and this is a completely clear, so to speak, understandable criminal law norm, when we talk about domestic violence, we

very often confuse the concept of what the church opposes - this is not at all the inevitability of punishment for any bullying of a woman against woman or men or children by any family members. we are against the fact that the family hmm uh was in any way a place c of solving violence. this is perfectly in line with the teaching of the church in that i speak in the many sermons that our priests say every sunday. that is, it should not know any doubts. as for domestic violence, as a concept, then, as it is understood in western law enforcement experience, it involves interference in family affairs when, for example, if, uh, a man or woman does not want to perform household duties, then a woman can write a statement somewhere and say that this is a form of domestic violence, that she is forced

to wash dishes or a man forces him to take out the trash, for example, here we are against this interference. this is very important to understand. do you remember the loud case. here is my namesake margarita gracheva, whom her husband chopped off. both hands, because she wrote a statement to the police. you see, this domestic terror lasted for some time. it was absolutely there obsessed jealous. do you think, that as long as a man has not killed a man, then, as it were, there are no crimes. no, of course, i do, and i think, i think that in our state, from the point of view of law, there is sufficient legal regulation, which should involve the reaction of law enforcement agencies to beatings, for example, we are talking about administrative, uh, legislation for causing light harm , health and other criminal law structures that may well solve this problem, another

issue is that so many law enforcement officers do not respond to the signals that are received. here is a well-known form. come when they kill you. she is completely cynical and has no relationship rights, because usually before a crime is committed, including a felony. like here in this case, mutilation of the spouse. one or another utters some threats to him, slight harm is done, and at this stage the organs must show no indifference to react. ah, well, in my opinion. again, i repeat. what is domestic violence how it was formed in western experience, it lies in the fact that any family conflict, it must be resolved with the help of external forces , you understand, this deprives the family of any subjectivity

of any autonomy. we all know well that there is no such form of interaction with people who would be completely bored by conflict, and in the family. this also happens, and for every conflict there is not a policeman who, therefore, must come there to resolve it. and i would also like to note here that the family should be the object of the application very thoughtful preventive efforts. our people have grown up with the latest products, which do not know how to live a family life at all. you know, it 's quite real, here's the divorce statistics in which you said it uh, it quite proves people don't get along with spouses, don't know how to support giving them and don't know how to raise children for long relationships. they are not taught this, and they do not have an example, most often e, and against the background of this inability, there are, among other things, conflicts that lead to serious crimes. well, to the question about families strong and not very crowned and not, and we

know that hmm ksenia sobchak ended with her last husband konstantin bogomolov. uh, why did i remember her. the fact is that she, uh, criticized the arrival of the priest at the sports stadium, and he visited the khimki club. dressing up the football field and just a couple of days ago , the press service of khimki answered the journalist. i will read it in full, because you can’t throw out words with a song, the desire of these bloggers , led by ksenia sobchak, to prick the russian orthodox church, raises concerns. at any convenient the case of riding in a hearse, and then hiding the tails of the hooves under the white dress of the bride to go in a carriage with horses to the church on bolshaya nikitskaya where they got married? pushkin goncharova and after the evening striptease performed by his wife or wide. mass, this is a demonic masquerade, what do you think about the wedding ksenia sobchak konstantin bogomolova well, you know, uh, our church, and she

always gives a huge credit of trust to all people who turn to her. uh, when the sacraments are needed. in case you need some kind of spiritual help church. i will say with all responsibility does not reject anyone. and, of course, the church does not and cannot control how a person behaves after the wedding. after the wedding, everyone continues to live in moderation. that is to say, his ability. e to be a good spouse or wife to be faithful and so on. uh, so we, unfortunately, cannot control all those couples who, after getting married, commit some obscene acts. i think that in this case we are talking not only about ksenia sobchak and her husband it's about a lot of people. yes, and we, too, probably baptized. let's say in church or

getting married was far from always ideal in this and should also give themselves away, reports of deliberate disregard for church traditions of norms, decency can not cause any sympathy and a person must determine for himself what is more interesting to him. a wedding in a temple or a ride in a hearse, i think that it is impossible to combine one with the other, just as there can be no agreement between the devil and god, and there can be no agreement between church sacrament and some kind of demonic coven. well, earlier, to become a godparent , but it was enough, well, to address this. we nominally even godparents could not be present at the church during baptism; now this is quite strict with this, that is, there is preparation for godparents and so on. why is such training not carried out for those who are going to tie themselves to a crown marriage, because here,

in the case of sobchak and the bogomolovs, questions do not arise for them about them, everyone has long known there performances of the ideal husband of bogomolov, you can go to see the moscow art theater, chekhov, and there the discrediting of the orthodox church is on the face. why does the church agree to marry those who are not prepared for this sacrament? and you know, well, firstly, i want to tell you that although you are not yet a compulsory practice, but i know there are quite a lot of parishes where priests conduct a very thorough catachism of those people who want to enter into a church marriage. i don't know about the couple we're talking about right now, but this practice actually gets quite a good distribution. i think that in the future, of course, those people who have no idea about the church, and married life, but just like that, will not get married. it's on the one hand, but on the other hand. i want to say that what is a wedding by its

very nature. a wedding is a church blessing for a marriage. and this is a prayer for those people who have become spouses, that is, by and large, a wedding is an attempt by the church. help people in the passage of the field of family life. and we are trying to in relation to almost everyone, but, unfortunately, this does not work for everyone, because it is impossible to force a person to make a good spouse or a good wife. i want to say that hmm, very often i had to deal with ksenia sobchak's attempts to accuse the church of interfering in the life of society. and here we see in the example of this football club that such an attempt was also made , that quite recently it must be said that this club responded very worthily, because each club has its own right to invite a priest

i'm not oriented. at the same time, what will he say. it is the right of football players to receive spiritual nourishment, it must be said that this topic, of course, is in a completely different, more academic vein, but was the subject of discussion at the world russian people's council and the networking patriarch spoke especially. this is where secular extremism leads to, that is, an attempt to expel vera from public space , an attempt to marginalize believers and present them as those people who, you know, have read too few books about science, so they began to believe in god. this has continued throughout the era. enlightenment of the new age. but what do we have? as a result, we end up with the fact that the values ​​on which society is built, they are religious, there are no other historical values, no one invented or designed them, there are only values ​​on

which society can exist, survive and develop. these are religious values. everyone understands this very well, and when these values ​​are rolled into the asphalt with a secular skating rink, then the future society itself is destroyed. speech at the world russian people's council and very people spoke, by the way, that the values ​​of the faith of the fatherland of the family should be included in the strategic planning document of our country, because it is impossible to survive without values, and for our state for our people these values ​​are inextricably linked with the orthodox faith we have no other values, we will protect them. we will defend them. we will fight for them until the very end thank you very much, we will end the interview on this high note. i thank you for coming to us to the studio. thank you

. if i don't come for him, he will come for me. i promise the flame belongs to me woman.

on the main events of this minute in our news release, ukrainian drones, which the day before attacked military and civilian ships in sevastopol, launched from the coast in the odessa region, moreover, contrary to all agreements and the law of the sea, the kiev western intelligence services used the security zone of the grain corridor. the ministry of defense suspended the grain deal, and the west, as expected , threw a tantrum, but now kiev is going to use not only nuclear blackmail but also food georgy podgorny more.

the wreckage of naval drones that attacked the ships of the black sea fleet was discovered and brought to the surface, as reported by the ministry of defense, an examination of navigation modules manufactured by canada showed them launched from the coast near odessa. launched from a civilian. vessels in our the defense department is sure that the british intelligence services helped the ukrainian militants prepare this terrorist attack, the sabotage was the last straw. why is russia forced to suspend participation in the black sea initiative for an indefinite period? step away only after repelling a terrorist attack, which sevastopol and russia now repels an information attack by the countries of the collective west, which turned out to be a carbon copy statement by us president joe biden determined the style of that very carbon papers. this is an outrageous move. this will lead to

increased hunger. they have no reason to do this, but they are always looking for some kind of justification to be able to say that it was the west that made them do it and do something outrageous on saturday early in the morning on the ships of the black sea fleet and civilian ships in sevastopolskaya bay was hit by sea and air drones, none of the drones. did not achieve its goal, kiev denied its involvement in the office of the president of ukraine stated that allegedly russia is inventing terrorist attacks on its facilities. but the new york times came out with material where they recounted these events casually , as if by chance, mentioning the attack on the russian city, new opportunities were demonstrated. in the wee hours of saturday, when ukrainian drones struck a russian ship moored at the home port of the black sea fleet of sevastopol deep in crimea , which was once considered an impregnable bastion , the russian defense ministry said it was suspending a deal because, due to the actions of kiev, it cannot guarantee the safety of civilian ships, especially

since ukraine's grain corridor was used for military purposes. but the reaction of the west, jose barrel , on behalf of the european union, called on moscow to change its mind about nato , poland joined this call, declares the kremlin does not want to comply with the international agreement, and ukraine, zelensky's faces, calls for russia to be excluded from the g20 and voices the main narrative, all actions of the russian side should be provoked, hunger is well understood on what his position on this issue is more than correct. but at the same time it is necessary. u somehow use this story in order to convince the country. well, how is it now fashionable to call the global south? oh, also to highlight russia, everything that we hear from brussels from washington, uh, these are all comments in the spirit of the fact that russia will now leave the poorest uh, the countries of the world should be without grain. that is why from the very beginning the winter deal in the west was presented to the general public, a breakthrough against the background of the international crisis. however

it quickly turned out in vain that the poorest countries placed great hopes on it, grain deliveries were sent not to africa, but, on the contrary, to the wealthiest countries in europe. so today's rhetoric of western opponents reverses the logic of the real state of affairs, with regard to insinuation, but provoking hunger. we would like to remind you of our repeated calls to send food shipments. first of all to countries in need, however, instead of this kind, half of all bulk carriers under the grain scheme. went to developed states. while somalia, ethiopia, yemen , sudan and afghanistan received only about 3% of agricultural products, very simple, ukraine this is a very cheap grain, most of it goes to a reseller, by the way, the largest reseller, turkey and only then doubled at the new price . this price enters the world market. and it comes, finally, to stan, which is problematic in terms of hunger. only here it is impossible to blame russia against the backdrop of

western speculation. russia offers an alternative to gratuitously supply the poorest countries up to 500 thousand tons of grain and also expand export channels, that is, supply more grain, which is for sure. enough for the whole world to have the opportunity to also donate fertilizers to needy countries for free. only the west deliberately ignores. these humane proposals for a grain deal were thwarted by zelensky and his terrorists, led by british specialists, in order to add food and little money and weapons to nuclear blackmail. they need more deaths on this infernal throne the kiev regime is holding money weapons death in the working weeks on october 31, russia requested a meeting of the un security council to directly inform the united nations about the real state of affairs, especially since the west did not fulfill the agreement on the late deal.