they talk about chicken and both are important, there is no definite answer to this question of borders, that is, the state, in other words, which establishes these borders protects them uh, forms a certain identity, that is, uh, how we people associate ourselves with our country, region space. and, of course, we know that there was such a community to a certain extent, as the soviet people argue with this to varying degrees, but nevertheless , all topics assume that it was or the yugoslav community. despite all the development, then there is uh, in other words, the state is determined on the one hand identically will form an identity, but on the other hand, of course, identity affects the borders well, to be clear. not always. the state succeeds in this far, as we know, it succeeds in a strong stable identity, and investigative stable borders. necessarily, for example, in the most proclaimed state, those who are not far from us are partially recognized people

recognized by the pridnestrovian moldavian republic of abkhazia and the existence of the formation itself means that georgia and moldova failed to form a common identity for the entire population and dependence on its origin of ethnicity. hence the problems with the borders of territorial conflicts, speaking of borders. eh, until recently it was believed that the main trend is their erasure, that is, they formally remain, but cease to play any role. and now, firstly, a new one is being built not only at the border, but also the old walls are being redrawn. we see this on many occasions, does that mean we went backwards in development, uh not backwards, actually borders, uh, of the past, there were few such as we now know, borders were not guarded between many countries, in general, uh, there were vast border strips where people moved

, citizens could do household chores, not both countries and only, then subsequently with years of borders. profits have ceased to be rigidly fixed lines in space, which have the strongest influence on the life of the population and which, most importantly , play a huge symbolic role in its life. the very identity that i was talking about uh and what is walls, and there are already about 70 of them all over the world, and between the most different states, not only between developed famous, say, the wall, for which its president, former donald trump, is so happy, the length is about 3,000 km. on the border between the united states of mecca, or the well-known wall between israel and the palestinian lands was built. sometimes. it can even be minefields, barbed wire. all of this is equipped. the latest tracking devices. what are these walls for?

prevent the flow of illegal migration. how much are they intended for the citizens of the countries themselves? this is, uh , protection, this is an action, uh, governments. uh, showing that, uh, it wants they want to protect their citizens from the risks of globalization from undermining the labor market due to the influx of migrants. this is where it gets cheap. uh, prefer the enterprise to hire migrants. they are actually citizens of the country's citizens. uh, undermining the care of the enterprise, moving them to the location of the country with cheap labor, and many more. what are the citizens so afraid of? here are the border changes and we are used to it. i don't think it's even post- cold war, but this medical final act that kind of postulated that borders don't change. at least. eh, well, and in general since then, it has become generally accepted that the border is unshakable. and what, in

general, is a historical anomaly, because also in europe one cannot find a century when the borders would not be redrawn in the most radical way, and why we believe that the twenty-first will be different, but, nevertheless, er. many now often say that people are carriers there do not know national identity, and people can live anywhere, not territories. here, uh, again we return to the territorial understanding. or is it already impossible that the number of states is multiplying, and, in my opinion, it is my deep conviction that this process will continue in the future, and the number of borders would also grow. after all, what else is a border? it is a tool for adaptation, e.g. to changing external and internal challenges, adaptation to new conditions. and uh it happens, of course, it's mostly. e in the form of a mode change and some kind of border function transfer their functions to the boundaries of another level. as

we say, if e functions of control of the schengen zone, at least on the outer border, and other borders are relatively, like barriers or vice versa, that is, the process of changing the transfer mode comes constantly from one border of the function to another sometimes in some cases, there is also such strong impulses that even lead to a revision of the outlines of the border itself. this, of course, is rare and this horse- of course , it should not occur as a result of the use of force as a result of negotiations and other processes. well , still, if we summarize in the xxi century. do you think the struggle for territories will remain precisely for territories for spain to expand them. well, it seems to me that the main struggle is for people for human capital for e, a certain loyalty of people for their values ​​for their view of the existing

political map of the world, because if people are loyal to some external internal political regime, then there is no need and take it out of the territory for resources, all this itself, so to speak will come. it comes in the right place at the right time, but, uh, experts are now saying that they really someday uh dream of a time when u borders will limit non-geopolitical units, and units of life, so to speak, that is, certain territories. where people live together have common interests, maintain a favorable environment, and do not care about moving across these borders. but it seems to me that those times are still far away. that is, geopolitics will still live with us. yes definitely thank you very much vladimir was with us votes. healthy, friday in sberg pharmacy is a week

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of black friday, sale with discounts up to 50% smart column yandex.station two with alice at a discount of 4.000 rubles in m.video and eldorado, thanks to avito, the mortgage rate is 60% lower. that's why enough even for a sound studio. this week, the g20 meeting was held in indonesia, to the great relief of the organizers, they managed to agree on the final document, a gift

to the president of joka vidos, in fact, russia did. it did not block the document, although it contained criticism of the military actions in ukraine . and other opinions. let's hope that someone will appreciate the breadth of soul in the absence of vladimir putin deuces of us president joe biden and chinese president xi jinping. although biden has been in the white house for almost 2 years. first personal contact. previously referred to covid passed peacefully. neither side does not want to stir up right now so forgive dumbly all the lull, however, not a harbinger of the restoration of relations, but rather a sign of waiting. biden, after the meeting, said, honestly, we will compete fiercely, but i do not seek conflict. i strive to manage competition responsibly. chinese

such an approach suits the side at the moment, but it is clear that the course of separation is moving away from the closest mutual dependence that has determined relations for several decades and has been extremely beneficial for both parties about how to get rid of symbiosis, let's talk with our good friend ivan danin from the mmo named after primakova ivan greetings good afternoon. but this so-called deep- coupling is a beautiful word, that is, the separation of the united states and china, at what stage is it now and is it really going through? well, like any dokapling, like any divorce. the property is being divided now. this is such a process, as in the case of divorce, it is rather difficult in the sense that there are quite a few of us together, but there are joint children. i would even say that he sees these transnational oil chains of global oil chains. and, of course, you can’t separate it just like that, but now, first of all, due to the politicization of this topic. yes

, of course, painful measures can be taken, uh, which could result for a while in such a, well, i hope, temporary separation. yes a number of processes of a number of chains, well, with such generally not very unambiguous consequences for the high-tech world market. well, for the entire world economy, because, as we saw following the results of the pandemic, among the shortage of chips, this, generally speaking, is not painless at all, but a process for all industries and all spheres of life, and the chinese are doing something in order to keep this from - for slowing down this process or are they really, how is there mutual understanding that it is necessary to diverge? i think, and so and so, as often happens in life. well, somewhere they simply ca n’t influence anything, because when, for example, they introduced restrictions on the work of american citizens, respectively, and in chinese companies there, even the chinese companies themselves transferred certain measures in order to put it this way , then somehow solve this problem in favor of reducing

the number. kansk citizens at home because the motives are internal. i think more complex than we think, so of course they are very actively working to create something of their own, because uh was a xinhua editorial. and i really liked this little komsomol gap, but it was very clearly stated there that china understood that they were begging to ask there or they depended on western technologies. he no longer needs to develop something of his own, and in this sense, by the way , every move of a new canoe administration, but it is perceived in china as moving along this path, as confirmation of the need to strengthen its own technological sovereignty, as already as a necessity so to speak on the territory of the country. these are the key elements, there are personnel potentials and that's all. the rest of the recent noise has been a lot of talk about a ban for american top managers to work there, that is , american ban companies. and this is

true. the blow, that is, in other words, the americans, the chinese, on the contrary, have time to compensate. here is the outflow of personnel, or are they lagging behind. and judging by the industry, this is really a serious matter, because this is the experience of working with the market and this is the experience of leadership complex technical projects. that is, it 's something that, well, you can't do it with a click. yes, this is really what is called here, we love the word unique, which has no analogues. yes, this is indeed a unique skill. and something, probably, is given to intercept. well, that's for those hmm with half information, which is already china well, as you know, not the most open country in this regard. but uh, as you can understand, namely the chinese, as a very painful issue. and there really is such a serious staff turnover, which may have a negative impact. in my opinion, chinese hi-tech has such a rather long-term perspective, because , well, this is the case when you quickly compensate for this, well, as if from nowhere. hmm and if you look at the other side recently, it’s also discussed.

the decision of the american administration of the congress to allocate a lot of money for the creation of microchip production. uh, in the united states well , as if they were missing, that it turns out that there is nothing special at home. i believe that americans are technologically capable of doing this. and here are the logistics in general, how long it will take one of the founders, intel andy grow , so to speak, drove into all the alarms back in the early nineties. he wrote there, there were articles in all possible magazines that, god forbid, mother would leave america, all production. he warned that it will be as it will be. well, and by the way, as it suddenly happens, he was right, on many things. well , if you take the position of american nationalism, of course, it would be desirable to create some kind of some part of the production. i have personally another question arises. why exactly these and why it is necessary to build three factories at once in the united states of america is no longer so obvious, the answers are yes, that is, there are, well, a number of other production processes that would also be nice to have. so said

one colleague at the time. why people say they love solar panels do not like energy efficiency next to drug efficiency , it is difficult to take a picture for a newspaper, and here next to the factory. this can be photographed to show the voter. at the same time, this law itself he is actually in part of the development of american microelectronics. it is so not very unambiguous inside the usa, it was assessed, because there are a lot of companies there, that is, actually american companies, which tend to come down to one thing, namely amd and so on, they said for a very long time that well, we, of course, we are glad that intel will receive the vote of a subsidy. it is pleasant somehow weaned from competitors and receives state support. but in general, there is, in addition to production. here are these chips for pc mobile phones and so to speak tablets and others, as it were, directions and it would also be nice to support, and the second point is that what you said is really. how much will it be possible to correctly provide logistical and most important personnel, because now feedback is coming from taiwanese comrades, american

colleagues came to them to lure. experience, well, what to work for? no, he has been there for 30 years, if no one has been involved, our personnel is being prepared urgently for these factories and so on. well, i'll say it delicately. there are such very ambiguous assessments of american comrades. that is, they said there that there are loud children who understand silently, which means that they generally behave somehow without pardon. and how they will work there at these factories is not very clear. that is, here one here is this political decision that it is necessary to build factories, like it is in taiwan, so that. how do they have it, we don’t, it is starting. now, not only to drag out other issues, but also to create some other problems that also need to be addressed. and china has alternative partners. let's imagine that this is the divorce happened and then they are parallel already moving in different directions. china has someone to cooperate with from other countries, who can, but if you do not replace america, then at least replace some niches that fall out. here is the most interesting question. the fact is that what is the reason for this chinese thing that is not called

nationalism, the desire to keep everything to drag everything in part, what is called just lies in the fact that their partnerships are not very good, they entered this one relatively late, so say market and in these chains and unlike those in the united states, they do not have their own key technologies that allow them to control these chains, which means that it is more difficult for them to deal with partners because of this. uh, who have some equivalent competencies. well , because, roughly speaking, these partners need the chinese less than the chinese need them. and in principle, the last all 10 years. e their huawei and other, so to speak, large companies and microelectronic electronic field. personal electronics. created by research developers centers in britain and in germany in the states and so on, just to gain access. these are some alternative competencies that do not depend directly on american suppliers, that is, learn to do something yourself. but now it's

clear, the reasons become a little problematic with whom they can keep in touch. well, it's purely theoretical. yes, they do not want someone. well, again, as a failure, or there, for geopolitical reasons, someone wants to, but he, as it were, has nothing special to give. well, here, for example, we have we are there and had good competencies, for example, in the same retrography there since 2004 . uh, an alternative technology to asmalovsky was developing. and by the way, they also did something for sms , generally speaking, well, we are just in time, so to speak. this, unfortunately, has not been developed. and when it was offered to the chinese 10 years ago. they did n't show much interest either. well, because it seemed that we would buy everything and so on. and in order to get to some level, but still, we need quite a significant amount of time, because, as an old joke, nine women in 1 month will not give birth to a child. and it just takes a long enough and consistent effort to develop something, uh, that can be done together. with china, there may be some other con. walkie-talkies, but that's another

question plus the chinese. well, this is my private point of view. hmm, they lack the competence of just such an organization of equal partnership, in principle, well, they have a completely rational moment that they really need to develop there the economy to increase employment, and such that we used to call high-performance jobs. here, uh, and this is a little like the soviet approach. let's give us technology. and then we'll bury you. that is, not everyone is interested. well, and here, of course, it’s a little difficult to be friends, because everyone knows about it. well , that is, as it should be, divorce will not be easy, absolutely thank you. ivan danilin from the imo was with us. the most striking episode of the meeting in bali was the exchange of remarks jinping and canadian premier justin xi was outraged that the summary of the negotiations they had introduced the day before got into the press. everything that we

discussed leaked into the newspaper. it is unacceptable. we don't do things like that, if it's about frankness, then we must respect each other. we will continue free open and frank dialogue conditions to start. create such a demonstrative outburst for the chinese boss, yes, even with a scolding , it is extremely atypical for the interlocutor, but, apparently, a more obvious example of a clash of cultures has burned out and not come up with a monumental representative of the nomenklatura tradition, who is accustomed to classical forms of communication, a confidential and media hero, a handsome man who draws legitimacy from continuous publicity, such an impression that trudeau did not even understand and what this one got so excited about, as they used to say two worlds two childhoods and together they don’t converge. well, one more news of recent days,

donald trump is running for president in 24, the events are expected, but the context has changed, the republicans performed worse in the midterm elections than they expected, and suffered the most damage, as once trumpist candidates succeed florida governors . ron de santis turned him into a party leader in terms of views looks like trump, but without his negative trail. trump will obviously not stop. he do it. he just doesn’t know how, however, it seems that his time is running out, by the way, he and the baidan have a similar situation on issues, 2/3 of americans do not want both to participate in the elections, both will most likely be, but the desire for change is becoming more and more clear in the air basically everywhere. it was an international review. see you.

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