a virtual reverse is documented - this is a concession of volume before its acceptance, that is, when there is no physical flow, and you just said that pridnestrovie is a hostage there in this structure. unfortunately, we are not a party to the contract and consumers only of the volume that young gas releases. and in this whole situation, there is another very important fact of a young person who has lost or there, uh, making attempts to lose a contract with gazprom in a position to buy both gas and electricity in foreign markets, being international. eh, as a trading subject of the transnistrian region , only one entry channel does not have this opportunity. well, it is the same moldavian state district power station. well, it 's like a thermal power plant. it can work not only on the lawn, but also on fuel oil on coal, in my opinion, but with this a well, the moldavian state district power station can work on coal. e fuel oil is used for

lighting, that is, for ignition, e and maintaining combustion, but this is not the main fuel, but the specificity of the moldavian state district power plant is such that its generators were built based on the parameters. uh, coal mined in the donetsk region, this coal is not possible to supply or the sixtieth sixty-fifth year, in my opinion, yes, here it was built, of course. the fact is that attempts to work on a different angle will lead to the fact that the generators will fail. here we are also hostages of the situation. yes, this situation is also typical for some european countries that are now being mothballed, and coal -fired power plants, but due to the fact that they are also logistical. hmm, the chains have now changed, respectively, and the quality of the coal itself the characteristics of this coal are already completely different . these are the problems that you, uh, said, are they characteristic of now, uh, for many people? and how are you? see hmm here is the solution to all this and the energy

situation. here is this intricate knot of this tangle. well, in fact, there are few scenario forks here. we depend on gas and the solution of this issue lies exclusively in the plane of the settlement of relations between moldovan moldovan gas and gazprom. that is, a larger volume is needed, that, uh, there are no other options, in principle, and the problem is not only in the operation of the moldavian state district power station in principle, but also in the industry. uh, runs on gas. that's why there is only one direction of the solution. this is the decision of this same gas supply survey. uh, return to normal contract discipline. that is, you should understand this scheme very well, you just argue in these concepts, but the other parties that are involved here are in this, and the scheme is in this form. eh, at least i don't see it. here, judging by the statements of officials, they do not see me.

just that there is some understanding of how this is possible? well pragmatic decision. well , i think any social person is able to invite experts. e technical, so that they highlight it. well, in this situation, there is really a lot of politics, since there is no economic feasibility, we are losing huge resources. and moldova, too, is sure to lose no less. of course, i still understand that there is still a certain share of exports to the european union. by the way, how are things going with this. well, uh here i don't presume to judge. we still do not monitor these things, it was incorrect for me to build hypotheses about who sold where to whom. well, here's more. of course, it is worth remembering that the electricity that is generated at the moldavian state district power station, at least, was previously supplied to romania, if my memory serves me right now, respectively. eh, the scheme

is completely different. that is, on the contrary, everything is built more expensive electricity comes, just in moldova, it comes from there. well, uh, indeed, the moldovan state district power plant of the soviet era, uh, allowed us to be friends not just in romania, but in the balkans yes. right now, uh, of course, we do not ship to romania, the moldavian state district power plant is limited in its export capabilities. only to moldova they don't give us other consumers enu, now, when the possibility of the moldovan state district power plant for export, is not taken to zero at all. yes, that is, there is no gas for this direction, indeed, moldova takes from romania, we see this flow, it goes through tires. uh, through the distribution unit at the moldavian state district power station and, of course, this factor is me, i repeat. maybe just led to uh worsening system stability. that is, if

the romanian transmission stops, all uh, a blackout occurs in moldova too, well, moldovan officials are just talking about the fact that those attacks on critical infrastructure that the russian armed forces are now undertaking, uh, in in relation to ukraine, hmm, this is exactly the root of all those energy problems that escalated the day before, in particular, but we see here, the situation here is much more complicated and that's it. it would be possible, yes, if it were political will and pragmatics in this. yes, it was all possible, well, quite quickly and quickly and not to level. i understand correctly. uh, well, i'll say, so we really depend very much on the instability of the ukrainian energy system. well, when the moldavian state district power station operates at high capacities , there are more than there. one block, as it is now, is divided into two

by three, and deliveries to moldova would be protected from these external fluctuations to a greater extent by deliveries. yes, deliveries to moldova deliveries to romania deliveries even to the balkan the country that you just mentioned, that is, in principle, for the stability of the energy system in general. hmm europe well, a certain part of europe is, well, you can say e a very important uh, such an aspect here, which for some reason is in the european system. yes , sergey anatolyevich thank you for clarifying, there is a lot here, indeed, a cunning interweaving and such a knot of problems. well, you can't call it otherwise. eh yes, uh, such a triangle. hmm, not a love triangle at all, of course, but such an energy yes, kiev is stealing moldovan gas, chisinau transnistrian. well, and so on worse from this. eh, it's perfect in the end. let me remind you that deputy chairman of

the government of the pridnestrovian moldavian republic minister of economic development sergey obolonik was in touch with us, and now the prime minister of ukraine from 2010 to 2014 nikolai azarov nikolay yanovich is connecting with us. greetings. good morning. good morning. well, you heard just now about all these energy problems that occur objectively, but how would you characterize this situation of cause and effect. well, somewhere in the details i don’t know how they do transnistria in moldova, the transnistrian side, how does it happen? yes, when you were the unified energy system of the soviet union, where moldova was tied up, including ukraine, and there were no problems at all, because the flows were formed in various ways. there are and have been all the possibilities for this. speaking of recent events. uh, in ukraine, i’ll say that this is the situation associated with the withdrawal, first

of all, of electric networks, uh, distribution substations as powerful as 750 kilovolts. yes , there is order in ukraine. in my opinion, if memory serves, about ten, they led to the shutdown of all nuclear power plants in ukraine. and this, accordingly , created a very serious imbalance. this is the first time for all the time as far as i know, well, for all the years we stopped for the first time. so one there, let's say, in emergency mode, others, in a planned mode, all nuclear power plants were stopped, which are all bitter, which are connected in ukraine. this , of course, does not involve damage to the nuclear power plants themselves. i have no information about the generations having received any serious damage. there was information there, there was damage to the chp-5 in kiev on vydubychi. there, it means at the darnitskaya chpp in kiev at

chp-6. well, in what volume to destroy these, it is very difficult to say violations there, but the fact that the evil distribution substations were damaged. i would like to emphasize to what extent it is also not clear, but in any case, as of yesterday , about seven regions recovered rather quickly. eh, everything is so basic means power failure. i'm by the way the central region of the southeastern region. this suggests that, let's say, there are opportunities for repair and restoration. well, i’ll note that even though hayat is a communicative regime there, where communization is carried out in ukraine, our energy system was built extremely reliable and was built taking into account the possibilities of conducting

military operations against nato there by the soviet union and so on. here we will tell from any this instance depart. well, at least five lines, including two rubber. that the substation is also quite reserved and it is not so easy to put them all down, let's say. that is, well, such systematic systematic work leads to such consequences, i repeat once again, what to evaluate? let's say. here is the scale of destruction. well, it is very difficult to judge only indirectly, because the system is quickly restored. how quickly the consequences are being eliminated, so i’ll notice that if the tenth of october began there, uh, then, let’s say the bombing of the infrastructure, but in the

beginning it was hours, then it wasn’t later already had this planned outage. then we switched to a planned inclusion system. that is, so we can indirectly judge that it is more and more difficult to restore. well, i will say, of course, that after all, substations are not generation. that is, this is not a shopping center , not gresy. so, even though hmm means a complex system, nevertheless, it’s not a nuclear unit or not, it’s a fuel station. there are two other aspects here. uh, the first thing is that, well, before it was such a one-sided game, that is , infrastructure facilities were violated, including energy in the donetsk lugansk people's republics. well, uh, well, in particular, even in the belgorod region. there were also shells. here, uh, now there is a completely different situation, and the second aspect is that those

statements that are made by the kiev leadership, well, about everything that is happening, kiev wants more money, this is the euro. yuza and well from their curators, how to comment on this. well, here i am why do i say that from the very beginning? yes? uh, immediately there were screams that everything was destroyed 50% of the infrastructure energy is destroyed, but the one who says this does not understand what he is saying at all, he simply does not understand. yes, because there are 45 largest thermal power plants, a hydroelectric power plant, a nuclear power plant, that means wind turbines, that means solar batteries, all this in total capacity is there. well, uh , let's put it this way. well, i'm not going to name the number 55,000 there. mw well, there are 35-40. eh, so to speak, you have to imagine. you can imagine what kind of mahina it is and here is 50% they are there everywhere they say that i am destroyed in this

i doubt it very well, and the second moment the second moment is extremely important, of course, everything that happens. let's just say it can't make me happy. you must understand this, because i gave 30 years to the industry of ukraine and now it hurts me to look at it, but nonetheless. i want to note that when they left crimea this regime without electricity without water, when they destroyed donbass for 8 years, leaving it without water without electricity and absolutely no one no one there blinkin and there are no schols, nor merkel never said, guys . what do you do? how can you leave 5 million regions there without electricity without light without water? donetsk has been without water for 8 months now. i lived in donetsk for many years. you can imagine a huge city, a walkie-talkie with huge steps, and it is deprived of a source of water supply, the only one there is a

serious reliable source. this canal seversky donetsk is blocked and that's it. that's nobody. cozy no one cares, and no one cares about these parents over here, so double standards. they are here, especially uh, definitely unpleasant and especially disgusting, all the more so if we talk about attacks on the kakhovka hydroelectric power station, for example, uh hmm, which can lead to a man-made disaster and even more man-made disaster can be caused by the strikes that continue to be inflicted on e, the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant. i talked about this, that yes, here are the features. these attacks on infrastructure are still not causing damage. by generation by nuclear power plants. no, not a single fact, say, a strike on nuclear power plants at the same time as the kiev regime. well i'm here in pain i see what he is doing zaporizhzhya there for the

largest, by the way, at the power plant in europe there are 6,000 mw, six letters, by the way, the last ones we have already introduced, uh, that means a fairly modern station, which, by the way, fed electricity, crimea, exactly. uh, to hell with kherson, so to speak, they blew up and, in general, put the station itself, which supplied electricity to the crimea, into an emergency position. that's what is happening, of course, but the regime is an absolutely puppet regime that will involve itself extremely adventurously. even in this situation, look created some four thousand points. so there, i don’t know what they called them there, supposedly to provide the population of ukraine with warmth. i had to study was a harsh winter, the tenth eleventh year, when there were frosts under -35. and we were homeless, we saved, that is, we had no problems with

heating. with consecration, but there were a certain number of homeless people who spent the night there in the basement, and so on. and in order to save the lives of these homeless people, by the way, it is safe in poland. there are over 150 people there. frozen at that time time. and so we were forced to set up in all major cities. well, where is it, it means that a large number of homeless people had to create these points where you could spend the night. it was warm there, you could have dinner, there, and so on and so forth. well, it was. how many people are we talking about, that there are, well, several hundred people, and how this zelensky rogue adventurer expects to warm. well, i don’t know, how many people are in ukraine now? adventurism of the purest test, and under this anti-vism is extorted there , which i also want to draw attention to. here i am

, ukraine is still located. nothing has been done in the industry to, say, restore the production of generators , network transformers, cable products, and so on and so forth. all this could be done; all this could and should have been done. but it's nothing easier than walking around with outstretched hands , begging and telling some horrors nikolaevich here, of course, history is still remembered. e such calm times. uh, when there was no e, there was no special military operation, no strikes against infrastructure facilities there, but hmm, there was this annual one. here is the pre-new year's story of uncertainty. the contract will be extended. there will be no extension of the contract, because theft is gas. something happened there too. that is, now, in principle, the situation is quite familiar,

uh, and you can say that, uh, without regard to what is happening militarily, um, in particular, for gazprom, the situation is also the same, and you can’t say that some straight out of the uh row out of the ordinary. and now we are discussing what is happening there, for example, in moldova in transnistria and uh. well, yes, it happened for sure like this, uh, like this before. the most important thing is that moldova also does not have an understanding, as we just discussed hmm with the minister of economic development, just of the transnistrian republic e. how does this problem? in particular, to decide with gazprom? well, now is such a time of geopolitics, not geo-economics, so well, maybe there, common sense prevails. and this is still not about what common sense they don’t come to speak. i'm talking about moldova now. yes? i'm talking about lightning too. here is what they said. yes, i've been hearing this song for 15-20 years. that's for sure. and

, uh, references to the fact that a blow to infrastructure is preventing gas from being pumped. this is complete nonsense, because , in my opinion, back in 1920, our government decided to equip all critical infrastructure points with a generator of sufficient power, and we carried out this work. well , this means, well, of course, this applies to water supply, and gas supply systems. and there are hospitals and other facilities, such a huge amount of work. by the way, crimea was carried out to some extent. i helped out when they blew it up, which means that this storm power transmission to the crimea is 1,500 mw there, in my opinion it was, all the need for crimea was somewhere there, well, somewhere within these limits it was, that is, they were left without electricity at all, then the first their time is very cool. these generators helped us out, which we always remove the same thing as throughout ukraine drawn here at this moment, that's hit

now. so we can’t pump all this gas, but moldovan ones can pump gas into the underground storage, right? yes, complete nonsense. well, what about the theft of gas? well, now the so -called selection. i will say that a fairly serious accounting was established with us, in general, so to speak, her. we had no problems with russia at all, so questions. well, i know that after the coup, such means that there were situations and more than once the situation was traded in gas. just listen here, uh, let's say whatever happened in recent years. let's put it this way. it 's adventurous and they supplied europe with the left gas and the left electricity supplied it to europe and everyone there knew they turned a blind eye to it, so well, now, by the way, there are no opportunities, that means, uh, ukraine of opportunities, because pustynsky island, uh, in.

in general, the supply from electricity was interrupted there and the redistribution means the substation was put out of action, so now they cannot do this now. but i’m showing, there is complete freedom and no accounting for experience, then it’s not particularly accurate, in general this whole situation surprises me very much, but there are many amazing moments here, of course you are always surprised when in well in some countries. now here are the european ones. yes it would seem that this situation could be resolved quite easily with, again, a certain political will yes and a certain political economic pragmatics, but this does not happen u we all understand very well for what reasons nikolay yanych thank you for being with us on the air prime minister -minister of ukraine from 2010 to 2014 mykola azarov was in direct contact with us on the air of the fifth studios. thank you for your attention. healthy, friday in

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