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republics, the history of the xx century, largely determined the very fact of the existence of this state. now, more than 30 years later after its abolition no less influence. the course of events is influenced by his absence, the year of the centenary of the ussr, as if specially brought back to life. ghosts of that era. there was an opinion that it should have happened in industrial europe and not in agrarian russia, but the young republic survived, including thanks to the european proletariat, there is a known case of a demonstration in support of the country of the soviets on the champs-elysees in paris, it is met by the seventeenth rifle regiment of the french army, which should disperse the demonstrators. from the deck of workers. coming out a man stretches his coat showing the awards of the first world war and says glorious fighters
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of the seventeenth regiment. are you really going to shoot me, after which the demonstration continues, but already with the escort and the soldiers , the industrialization and industrial growth of the thirties against the backdrop of the great depression strengthened the soviet status, while the launch suffered from economic difficulties in soviet russia there is a massive shaving. they even participate in western experts are not building progress, building the moscow metro gorky automobile plant. literally on entire industries are springing up out of the blue. for example, aviation in the thirty-seventh year, the chkalov crew makes a non-stop flight to the usa via the north pole in america , pilots are greeted like heroes, as gagarin will later be greeted, but people do not believe that the all-metal aircraft was made in the ussr and before the start of the war they are skeptical about the military the possibilities of the ussr however, the kryuskaya five are ready to help. a group of soviet agents of britain is only the top, soviet
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intelligence was shocked by the willingness of numerous intelligence officers promote moscow therefore chose the five most trusted john kent cross, for example, reported attempts to create an atomic bomb and the german offensive near the kursk salient after the destruction of fascism, the international authority of the ussr multiple adults. well, the 20th congress of the cpsu in 1956, debunking the personality cult of stalin and recognizing mass repressions undermined the authority of the ussr beijing, together with mao zedong, is moving away from moscow, which will ultimately lead him to an economic union with washington, nevertheless, in the sixties the soviet model of economy and government is of interest to the countries of asia and africa that have just liberated themselves from colonial oppression. egypt. algeria ate on indonesia cuba nicaragua are trying to build socialism in the model and likeness of the ussr moscow is providing them with significant economic assistance. true, after 20 years, most
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of the developing countries abandon this model as an important stage, become a policy of detente, or they normalize relations with germany before brezhnev, the beginning of gas supplies to europe, the growth of cultural ties with italy and france, the flight of the apollo union in the end, but if the hungarian events of the fifty-sixth year were perceived in general, as was the fascist revolt, then the prague spring of the sixty-eighth year. almost unanimous in the west. understood how suppression is different. in the socialist bloc, the army of afghanistan in 1979 finally undermined the image of the ussr, even some socialist countries were dissatisfied. and the moscow olympics of the eightieth year was held in conditions of a boycott. the west changed the image of the ussr only by restructuring its architect mikhail gorbachev met the new policy in the west with uranium, but among many others it screams contributed to the collapse of the ussr in 91 . today we have a wonderful, very
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desirable interlocutor. history alexander shubin one of the best experts of the soviet period alexander gennadievich hello. hello, here's how, after all, our centennial anniversary. it is for us that it is still modern or is already history. you see, we still live in its ruins. we have not moved somewhere forward to some new distances. eh, everything. same industry. anyway, base. everything is also post-soviet. space, after all, what is the post-soviet space today. this is still the reality of such an arc from god to the panj, in which the boundaries, of course, are very blurry and mobile. well, when people meet, you immediately see post-soviet people and not empty soviet people, so there are some realities. we live in it and so far we have not come up with such a fundamentally new ideal of humanity that has not yet been seen. he did not move any post-industrial distances. we live with the soviet
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union, but here the question is precisely in the ideal, that is, it is necessary to come up with an idea, and not just, well, as if objectively changed, uh, the borders, there and so on. we are people. we design first, then we build. it's as if the animal world develops spontaneously exclusively, and we design, while we have no road. we go down the road, but design. after all, we can, and not only we, but someone else will design for us. and here you are, please, a new reality. well, i think that it is useful to listen to smart people, even if they were not born in our post-soviet space, but as if with your mind e you know in the nineties people from the third world e, meeting on my way constantly reproached us that from you all the time generated ideas of some kind of alternative world. this is not a capitalist post , but now they have refused this, well, i must admit, no, i didn’t refuse, and therefore i could tell them something, but who am i to listen to my voice, and here is this longing for the future. it is, of course, global in
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this respect. end of story. proclaimed in the west, he is also not inspires. this year, the topic of soviet policy in particular national features has become highly discussed. many say that in fact we are now reaping its fruits. i understand that the topic is extremely multifaceted and complex, but still, if you try to reduce it to a scheme, are the principles of the soviet state system really, but they anticipated what is happening now the soviet union did not give rise to these contradictions the soviet unions froze than froze quite effectively. this is generally an interesting experience, because in general it is an objective process. uh, when upgrading, nation building occurs. this means a clash of national projects. this means that national conflicts are escalating and we saw all this at the beginning of the 20th century before any soviet union, but any of this is the phenomenon of lenin of the people, what the soviet union did, he froze this, uh, the results that were achieved in the civil war. who had
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independence, who did not achieve independence , they were built into a certain system by hierarchy. and then this national energy was sent to the general process modernization, while there was a process of transition from a traditional agrarian society to an industrial urban one. it all worked. plus, of course, the external challenges were very sharp and they were, so to speak, brutal direct military ones. and when, as it were, we were saved, we became citizens, then a new model was needed, so this engine turned off and the search for a new model was turned off during perestroika. we understand that, in general, it would not have succeeded if the soviet union had succeeded to this day. that is, perestroika after all was an attempt to really update and run in a new way. yes, it was proclaimed so, people believed in it, but in any case, until the year 89 inclusive, it was the dominant point of view, then they decided that if you just switch to the rails of capitalism, then everything will be decided by itself. that 's just so spontaneously and naturally, by way, well,
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now we understand that it was an illusion, as for interethnic conflicts, their character has also changed. yes, because, if at the stage of modernization - this is usually just a massacre, you understand, because it was going on, well, according to throughout the country, the civil war is half an interethnic conflict, then during the period of perestroika there were several such acute painful centers. well, in general, we can say that, in any case, on the territory of russia and even in the space of this triangle, which collapsed where, in fact, the soviet union of ukraine, russia, belarus, after all, everything went quite civilized. well, it's been civilized, but now we see that it can be simply postponed, and this is the result of the fact that we did not move further forward. we have become move back, that is, we returned to what was frozen, that is, again nation building again, this is
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dividing territory in the 21st century - this is monstrous, this is monstrous archaic, there was no new project and the elites took up the old ones, you mentioned the third world, who yearns for an alternative. e this year's outgoing theme is decolonization. suddenly the shots are just incredible. uh, russian rhetoric. i became very aware of this. to what extent can we bake, we, like russia, which is another country, can still count on it to this will be remembered in the world as the heirs of the decolonizers from the ussr, firstly, the engine of modernization turned off not only in the soviet union, the soviet delighted global processes here, because everything that could survive from it. uh, the created industrial urban societies are too many for the global world. so much industry, so much industrial production of the global world. it turned out not to be necessary. this is a tragedy, hence the tragedy of bangladesh myanmar, here are countries that,
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as it were, their modernization is no longer needed, therefore maybe post-modernization is needed, but no one has demonstrated it yet, so e is here. yes, we can return if we propose a project of the soviet union, because it did not give rise to decolonization. he offered his alternative to the new independent state. that is, if you want, please, neo-colonism is the so -called actually. this is a system of peripheral capitalism that is independent and independent. she. in general, it is not very important to her. it is about the economy, they are about state structures. but if you're independent want to be for real independent, we offer you an accelerated moder project. we have embellished it, we do not tell you the price of this upgrade. we show you the factories right away, not progress, there is a five-year plan at 4 years old and so on about the famine, we don’t talk ahead from the song, they liked it and some. by the way, along this path, they went something, some achieved
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a disaster, as we know, but there was where to go . hmm, because, in fact, the colonialists let them go. yes, they fought, but they let go. those who did not particularly struggle, because just colonization, the colonialists decided that here new system. it is more effective and it turned out to be effective, but today time has passed. and in this regard, russia has excellent chances. well, if she takes up the arrangement of her vast spaces, then this is our historical chance in general. we can build post-industrial centers today in these spaces. no pressure. we are not a bangladeshi population much across the territory. no. yes, we have the opposite problem, but we got bored in the cities of the industrial rector. and if we start building settlements with smart homes with remote employment, well, because why do people run in cities there, because money, if they can be received throughout russia if money is scattered, throughout russia, a completely new model of life in general, and here it is, if it turns out
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to be us, of course, well, countries and peoples will be drawn, perhaps not only in the third world. uh, the soviet period is very spoiled by the extremes of perception, which means that when it came, the end of history you mentioned, they began to present it as a fantastic historical fiasco. it's just absolute a complete failure, then e on a wave of e disappointment went deep, which was generally equal to the ground, and so on. it is clear that neither is true, but if you try to distance yourself a little, do you think that here in russia we have comprehended this period to a sufficient degree, because we see that and this needs to be understood. and what actually happened there, well, we comprehended it to the greatest extent, because when we are foreign colleagues, we meet, we see great respect for our historical tradition, because, well, at least we we sit on the archives, it's easier for us to do it here.
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we climbed, so to speak, into every cell of this soviet union, there is very little secret left for us. in fact, this is rather an important mystery for the townsfolk, but it is important for us to draw a comprehensive picture. the main task that science now sets, if it is science, is to build a comprehensive picture. and so, if we build a comprehensive picture, then, in general, it turns out to be quite logical, the internal one is a modernization project. this is an accelerated transition project of the concentration of all resources for this transition to an industrial urban society, but it is interesting that this is the core, but there was a very important shell. this is a dream of the next stage, that now we are in a race parallel to capitalism, that is, two variants of an industrial society. who is better, who will do it faster. they were the first to go into space. yes, of course, on the other hand, when i came here in 1959 , the exhibition of american achievements. it turned out that achievements are not large glands, but soft sofas. it is, of course, also was an important challenge. well, by the way, he
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also did something regarding soft sofas in the soviet union. but, uh, there was a dream that we would make a society of freedom equal rights the soviet union was not in a society of equal rights, of course, and uh, somewhere until the 1980s, when communism was not built on time. this also worked and perestroika worked on this, that we are returning to the tasks of the post-tasks of the future, if you want to such futurological tasks. well, alas, it was discretized in the nineties . that's just this model that's total fiasco. although it was not total, but the country fell apart, but people didn’t die, while here the circus went, people remained and continued to somehow equip their lives here. well, uh, still not having a project. they cannot move forward. they cannot take the barrier that we did not take during perestroika and, accordingly, we will move in a circle until it makes sense, but you remember,
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this is an army of the fifty-ninth year. notice there. all the famous kitchen debates are khrushchev nixon, if you read khrushchev now but in his own specific style, but he said things that are now very popular about overconsumption, that you are not doing that, that you don’t have to change the refrigerator every 3 years, that is, in what sense? yes, and his gorbachevs had global problems posed earlier. what it was going back. well, i would say that we must learn such, apparently, a lesson from this story that you can not fight consumerism people. there is a person. he wants to live. eh, comfortable. he wants to eat varied, but outside the box. this, by the way, is also a challenge to industrial society, and he wants this for everyone, that is, morally. eh, a healthy person cannot enjoy dinner when there is a hungry one nearby, as chernyshevsky said. that is, this is the socialist idea, by the way, now. well, it also becomes very relevant and khrushchev did not really
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understand something. well, it's not his fault. they dropped it all. the image was left with only one line of this standard marxism-leninism , such a standard stalin-suslav, but in fact this is a huge piggy bank of futurological ideas, uh, which are becoming more and more relevant as if we start looking for it all, in fact it has already been written and in this too. legacy of the soviet union the soviet union printed this. he also undermined himself with this perestroika of this energy of change, these numerous social movements - these are people who have read literature that was printed in the soviet union by two-thirds and were not at all spetsnaz, trotsky was spetsnaz, because it was believed that he had some kind of it's a magical hostile wand. he is a marxist leninist, but wrong. that's the worst thing. at it could be read. e from laurel to bakuni, for anyone. it inspired the youth at the time. eh, well, and we know some now even visible in politicians who started by reading these books. well, maybe
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then they changed their mind to the opposite. nice, but uh, they just go the other way. now this is the trend, but can the trend be reversed? well then , let's look for new ideals. thanks a lot. thanks to historian alexander shubin this year was important and extremely nervous for china turmoil and provocation around taiwan historical twentieth congress of the ccp debilitating quarantines and their sudden lifting. now there is an outbreak of the disease, but the chinese do not lose heart anyway, the holidays from beijing are our inflexible ambassador. goodwill alexander balitsky. yun and before the chinese new year, almost a whole month, but as soon as the prc canceled its tough anti-covid policy, when even with single diseases, the authorities sealed the entire district city,
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millions of chinese rushed for tickets at airports and train stations. you or booked a month in advance. for these 3 years, the chinese. they sat up so much that even now, when the country is covered, and a micron that killed every fifth inhabitant of the celestial empire with a temperature, many go to travel around some kind of side. sorry everyone. this time they were deprived of such an opportunity, and then one of the most densely populated countries in the world at once comes to the brownian movement, it does not matter. where, if only to go to the inhabitants of the northern provinces on the resort. hainan we have been waiting for so long for the southerners to loosen the restriction in front of the snow in harbins. i myself am from hainan, we never have snow. and here, although it’s terribly cold, i’m so happy, the world-famous ice festival, where millions of tourists went before the pandemic, as the red lights themselves said after the russian winter, and sizzling on coals, kebabs, snowmobile horse racing, and sledging and tug- of-war rope. for us southerners. all this is new for sure, just like our
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new year's eve in china - it's always entertaining, not even science fiction arithmetic, and china is preparing to return to pre-pandemic records, when during the holiday month 3 billion trips. and several times more shopping malls that were previously closed remember what an offline tour is, a vulgar weekend in one store, 10,000 people spent, among other things, 50 million yuan to stimulate sales to bring business back to life, the government. even sends out coupons for discounts, but yearned. shopping and entertainment of the chinese are not stopped, nor are the covid reports talking about more than 30 million sick every day. there is no shortage of medicines in pharmacies so festive atmosphere. you know, it’s as if i’m already celebrating the lunar new year, while central television is traditionally preparing a tv show, which is considered the most popular in the world, screens up to 700 million people are being collected, just now the final preparations are underway and something has already been peeped at the factories, the hot season is
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red chinese lanterns. and zaitsev, this is their year, will come according to the lunar calendar, they barely have time to pack up in boxes, but mentally the workers are already in restaurants. the most popular now is hogo or samovar so this one thing was missing at home, even if order delivery and quite another in a restaurant. after all, they will still try to get free tables. you even have to wait. but in guanxi, representatives of nationalities. meow, they were covered for the whole village at once on a fire fish across china. june, in tune with the word of wealth around dances and songs , it is customary to see off the old ones to celebrate the new year from china loudly in order to disperse all evil spirits. and, of course, satisfying, good night markets , gastronomic fairs, without which the chinese are in a pandemic. so now they suffered again in all the cities of the heavenly places. in general, these two the most important things in the life of a chinese food and money, because one of the favorite gifts. there 's a red envelope here. hongbao with crispy
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bills, where not? no, and they will also put on medical masks, and therefore the main desire to remove them as soon as possible, then it will be all fu, that is, happiness alexander valitsky nikolai petrov specially for international review from china we will neglect, and we are the year that passed between the two dates of the thirtieth anniversary of the dissolution of the ussr in the past december and the centenary of its creation, it has now become an amazing portal of eternity into our lives, as if our whole history, old and new, heroic and shameful, burst in and again raised eternal questions to which we invariably cannot find answers. and if we find it, then after a while it turns out that they were wrong, but this, probably, is the essence of the story. she has no
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end. she has no right or wrong sides. it is always rather tragic, but all the same, in the end, it turns out to be affirmative in life , because otherwise we would all hasn't been for a long time. it was an international review, see you in the twenty-third year. with the upcoming urgently it can be done only we are naughty to 2.
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we had a very constructive and voluminous conversation. so in the kremlin commented on the negotiations between vladimir putin and sizenpin. today, the leaders spoke via videoconference in the spotlight. there was bilateral cooperation, the russian president emphasized the strategic nature of the partnership, and also invited the president of china to visit moscow in the coming year . precisely such an assessment of the strategic partnership between moscow and
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