it stuns, well, it’s also natural, that is, they didn’t put on a helmet to other people to me, they just used an oar, and then they sent me to a cell. so here you are, detective, when you came in the morning. well, sort of meet the new inmates. well, i didn’t come alone, i also had four people with me. well, i told him that i wanted to go to church, if possible, to go to church, to which he immediately silently took me and opened the church, i immediately saw that this church was located and i was allowed to go out for 40 minutes with my camera. uh, then i was already allowed and all the next of ours, so i got acquainted with all the prisoners who are there with the police with a key and to the temple, that is, they didn’t go shushanga in turn. we were allowed to envy the library, and by the way, i ran into the prisoners. and why do you think, and you are a collaborator priest, who is the name of the label, which you were given such an indulgence? what was it? i'm not some kind of

humanity from the outside. we are all written by a christian soul and all people are orthodox, uh, believers in ukraine there are many very religious people wonderful people. uh, after all, now the problem is not with the people, not in the country, but in the ranks in the regime, and the people themselves are beautiful in half and you know, everyone has their own fear of god everyone has an understanding of the inner soul, because people have not degraded, how is someone there sometimes he speaks to the end, that is, everything is there, and he just, probably, as they say, because even the questions were those that guarded us, like, well, you remember us in prayers. so i wanted to ask, did you have any such human conversations with representatives of the sbu i never saw them again as representatives. here is the basement from his basement lisichanskaya never saw them again. that is, according to the opinion, the investigation did not go at all, that is, there were even the first months of summer in general. i did not see him,

except for his lawyer, who came once a week. i haven't seen you administrations, prison administrations of the prison. yes, there was communication, that is, they communicated with them. at the same time, we somehow treated me like that at first. i'm a little hostile. and then they treated me so well. we spent with him contact conversations. i mean, uh, ideologically your points of contact, where were on other topics, well, to the church. basically faith. mostly. vera here russian no this topic was not discussed. although there are all russian-speaking this topic. in general, here is how. basically , all the political moments left them, they left them. i didn't start either, because well, why? as they say, i don't know who is watching them. and how people behave. that is, why, that is, how to substitute it? that is, why fan any hatred or something else, uh, that is, so i basically spoke to orthodoxy, just some such ordinary things with them. they went down. that

is, even someone complained, there was chiming, some of their own. well, as they say, everyday family joys and sorrows, there on february 24, 22 they lived in ukraine yes, in the city of lisichansk could it have been avoided? special military operations was there any other option or scenario in your mind? i think that it is not already after the fourteenth year that the rubicon has been crossed as an expression. i i think no. he was in the fourteenth year or later not in the fourteenth year. when all these events have already begun after the maidan, that is, already additives. i wish i never told this story. so that's just a case in public, that's all, they say this is a true case. god is a witness. it was the eighteenth year. i came. i very rarely went to kiev. after the fourteenth year. although

i graduated from my theological schools there as well. i had wonderful friends there and girlfriends, kiev is kiev well, i rarely went. after all these events were added, we were not particularly favored there. well, you can see right away somehow donbass was immediately visible, that is, a taxi driver was driving with me, and he was talking to me. here he can be seen somehow understood, says tambasa. i say, yes, from the donbass from the city of lisichansk. yes, lugan, no. yes, i fought, so i retired with 2 back and the army. you don’t agree there, he had some with the military leadership, and he began to tell me that he was on the maidan, he was a centurion on the maidan, here is february and he tells me, here when it was all over, yanukovych ran away, like, on february 27, all of us began to form teams to go there to the donbass, that is, on february 27. that is, even when, when the donbass was still sleeping peacefully, when no one at all, no one had zombified any military operations. and

in general in lugansk on march 9 they will seize the hut, on march 10 they will seize. e to the administration in the city of donetsk a. on february 27, they were preparing brigades to go to donbass for us, that is, already. it was planned in advance. i have never told this story. here is the man drove me. he was a taxi driver himself. here he told how they had already formed brigades, that is, this is an ordinary person. this is not someone there, but here, who is a participant in all these events, therefore, i think that this could not have been avoided. the question is different, that it could have been completed in the fourteenth year? yes? it would be possible to do this residents of the lpr, dpr that is, these are the ones that are my residents? uh, we waited in the fourteenth year, and i waited in the fourteenth year, and this referendum, which was in the month of may, really all the inhabitants went to it luhansk, donetsk region, indeed. these percentage of 74%, e, lugansk region. people

really voted, because i myself went to this referendum back then with my parents, there was another one alive, then he was such a man of the soviet era. here, he never went to the elections in ukraine. that's when there was a referendum, he was already sick. we, that is, i even gave him a lift, he went and voted, that is, the people all voted and everyone was waiting. here is how in the crimea the territory of the luhansk region joins the russian federation. now i will speak as i root. regions, that's what did not follow, and then all these hostilities had already begun, in principle, people were waiting again, but this , as it were, did not follow. here, when a position is criticized, a special military operation is often given figures. well , approximately such that from 2014 to february 22 , annually among the civilian population in the donbass, the number of deaths did not exceed a hundred people a year. here is the official data. e

office of the supreme commissioner for human rights, and on december 31, the twenty- first year, the victims of the conflicts in ukraine steel e, 14.000-400 people, of which 3.400. this is a civilian. which of these numbers can be more trusted? well, i can say. here again, i was engaged, just in march, fighting off the civilian population in the city of severodonetsk, is that what? they even posted videos of the hierarchy, there, on april 17, in the city of severodonetsk, 258 civilians were killed, we buried them. the fact is that the cemetery was mined in one city. severodonetsk cemetery, it was already mined by the ukrainian army approaches to store we could not and we buried. we have, uh, such a district there, the forest dacha in the forest. we have the church of christ sdvizhensky. well, it’s like a nature reserve, and they started bringing civilians there to bury it. until today , this cemetery stands, that is, on april 18, there were somewhere 258 people who died in the city of

severodonetsk, in principle, with a population of 120,000, and the city already there was a very compact population of these figures can be trusted. well, i guess i'd say the truth is somewhere in between. how can i answer with words again such koleziasts, somewhere, however, in the middle, because there were always shelling, especially in donetsk and gorlovka and even lisichansk, our city was pogranichny already further on, as the line of contact all the time we heard these hail artillery shots, that is, time. i don't know which side, who could naturally shoot the ukrainian side. naturally. even as they themselves said. they received combat for this, the army did everything, that is, therefore, i know there too, i just went, and then i saw all the settlements, and they are small, but they are all destroyed. they all destroyed for 18 years. nobody lived there, and all these villages, all these urban-type settlements, they were all

completely destroyed. therefore, i think that the truth is somewhere in the middle, if it weren’t for the bastards , but i’ll ask you, as a person who was born and raised in the luhansk region. what would be the future of the luhansk region? by this moment, it ’s deplorable, because over these 8 years all the factories are the pride of the donbass of the luhansk regions. they were already closed. they were already carved completely destroyed. even that famous don soda, lisichanskaya, which was still under the tsar’s father built there alone solid. the ruins were already there. uh, gas prices were catastrophic people were already leaving. well, right now in the lugansk region , more than half of the people have already left for permanent residence in the russian federation on the territory of the russian federation, that is, uh, the villages have already practically begun to die out and the cities are also already empty. that is, they started. that is, even now i can take mountains from me it would seem that this is the area where i have a temple of 27,000 people. i just walked around in the evening. here

before, it was still in the tenth year of the window to walk are burning. here, as if we were going through the sleeping area of ​​moscow now, i answer, the windows are on fire, and there almost all the windows were not on fire, because i see that the spider is clear that people do not live. people have already left, that is, people were leaving en masse, and therefore, i think that just such oblivion of the luhansk region was expected. that's it. here i am in particular the ukrainian side. that is, people have already passed this winter, and everyone has already begun to look, because many people have already told me that spring will come easter of christ will come, here we are the past 22 years and we will all be looking for a place to move to or we will stay. mostly. it was russia, those who participated in the minsk talks. they say that putin, e., minsk considered the agreement a serious loss. and precisely because, under these agreements, the lugansk region remained in ukraine ah, how did they treat the minsk

agreements in your land, in general, did they believe in them, in their future that they could be implemented no to be honest, frankly not. no one believed in them, and somehow even to them somehow everyone was negative. somehow, the common people somehow deny them somehow. well , i said all the people, the lugansk region , and i wanted the crimean scenario for myself, all the lugansk donetsk region. they really wanted the crimean scenario, and therefore they didn’t like this whole agreement, to put it mildly. well, what is, that is, as the will of god, as the lord controls, so it is. why has it not yet been possible for the kiev regime to take control of kiev? well, first of all. the people do not give, because i already i have repeatedly said that the people love our church, the people feel the truth. you see,

it's all already a church, it's a self-connected church. there, right now, they are throwing a slogan about what they say, here your church was formed in the forty-third year by stalin well, our church it was and is and will be like stalin simply legalized it after the persecution of the thirties, and it is purely a church formed by the ukrainian government . uh, she is educated, that is, so to speak, as in the church. there is an apostolic affiliation such an understanding people like this very much like the pechersk lavra. i have already said again that the lavra is the second athos, as it is considered and dedicated, as jerusalem and the monk sergio sarov always spoke about this. and not only he and many others guessed. the lavra was opened in 89. under gorbachev, under shcherbitsky, then the lower lavra was, as it were, completely given over to the property then of our russian orthodox church. then there was not even a division into the ukrainian orthodox church, then it was still the patriarchal exarchate on

ukraine and it was, as it were , property, but the upper lavra, where all the events are now taking place. it has already been transferred over the years by the independence of ukraine, it was found. it is on lease every year our church, that is, the ukrainian orthodox church, the kiev metropolis extended this lease. she here they took it, but they extended it, in principle, if we say it then , they didn’t give it to us to the end. vladyka pavel, of course, he is very friendly. eh, he is very sick with laurel. this is his breath. this is his life. i understand, as the abbot of the temples himself, which built temples himself. they restored, then found people restored the great assumption church, we know that it was destroyed by the great patriotic war. uh, well done or there was a ministry would have refused. well, this temple restored the church attracted people, uh, finance people who well, like everyone to donate or the temple, that is, they knew where they were investing for what? here is such a paradox. and it was necessary to take permission to

serve there, that is, at any time, the secular elk could not let uspenskaya into this great church and services were also going on, as from the eighty- ninth year they were allowed in the refectory church, where there used to be a museum of atheism in soviet times, later, when they removed it near atheism. there is a service in the refectory church, but only in these two churches and services were allowed; the rest of the upper lavra was never transferred to our church for all these waters. that is, there are both a museum and libraries, that is, the upper lavra until today. in principle, it was not so transferred, and therefore, if so , the problem is legal, they have now already decided, like they just didn't last. they deprived, as they say, not even deprived, but somehow limited in civil rights. here is also an interesting legal formulation that does not exist. kupala that is, he can not sign, as he is limited in the rights of this year's lease, which began from this it follows that they handed over to the schismatic church. and

we will say so on the lower laurel, they cannot yet, because so far it is legal property. uh, her churches, while they can’t take them away at the moment, but serious christmas services were held according to the number of people in the parishes. how many people come to the schismatics? how many people come to services to the priests, almost always the churches are half empty, they are almost half empty, there 10-15 people come to them lavra is always full, there are five liturgies a day 5 l. is it possible to say in this regard that the ukrainians do not equate support with him and e, adherence to the canonical church no, of course, they try, of course they put the church. this church. this is something that is dear to the heart and soul of every person. that is, and here and his own or some other political vision is the church. in the church, for any, everyone

is equal to the church plane, is there any chance for zelensky to keep his team up? well , by force there is always a possibility. they talk like some people that's it western ukraine we'll break through the knee. well, in general, how it will be, here we captured the churches of raskolnikov, then lowered the services, there is no canonical church. well, there's nowhere to go. well, torment yourself, sit at home, spin around do you how? well, come anyway. well your need is there for prayer for correction. spiritual dance, that is, and anyway you will come, that is. well, whether you like it or not, wait. well, wait six months, let's say. well, wait, well, wait another 2 years , anyway you are going to have elections, you don’t have only one, that is, there is only a schismatic church, there will be no other church, you will have to go there. but you understand for a believer. after all, it's not easy. uh, some institution of organization. this is the church of christ. there, after all, the sacrament

is invalid and that's it, they really are like that? it can be said that spiritual murder is one at the moment, what is happening now in the church in ukraine is spiritual murder, because the sacrament is all of them the real grace of the priesthood on them, and that is all the same. well, this is what is called such a word samovyadstvo, that is, he shone himself. called upon himself holiness. that is, here. it can be said that there is such an underlying reason, not just a political one, it’s possible say, spiritual background. here there is, as it were, how to say such a spiritual incline to the spiritual murder and betrayal of people. well , what do you think, zelensky is aware of this, he will go further in this. i don't know, well, the thing is , you see it's already coming. it's been recently taken over. yesterday bilayka temple. this is such an ancient city, of course, this is already the city of kiev. but this is an ancient city, the city of the archangel mikhailovsky church, where the late archbishop nikolai served as a blessing several times. already captured

now there is an attack on the tithe monastery. everyone knows this is the most ancient monastery. tivat, the grand duke vladimir and equal-to-the-apostles were buried. olga is not walking now. this is already a capture and almost everyone understands that this will also be captured, i think, and in this way they will go further and further. that is, as they say, the first success. intoxicated already, the upper lavra went to the wrong place for christmas . it would seem that what they themselves read is impossible, but why don't we move on, further, as you remember, doctrine. uh, whose power of order and faith i think, according to this doctrine, they move very much like to know firsthand, i would certainly like to directly interview one of the priests of the patient. i understand that as long as they are on the territory of ukraine, you say they will not be, they are actually held hostage. here in moscow we can talk. they are now hostages, not only priests, but also ordinary residents of ukraine, the city of kiev, they are now hostages of the

kiev regime, you know when i was sitting in we had a cell, we called him uncle yura. he held a referendum to bang in the fourteenth year. well, he died from the beatings that he received in the hut in the cell. here the orthodox died. that is, somehow i also saw my trade in this. there, arriving next to him. he asked me a question. what was the first country captured by the nazis in germany well, what could be the first is austria yes germany, he said his country germany was not captured. from which, in principle, i liberated the soviet union, then subsequently germany from nazi power, that is, before captured by the nazis, and therefore in ukraine this is also a question. that is, the regime has now captured its country and is holding the entire population hostage. let's talk about motivation. this is the main thing, and the main argument of the opponents is that in ukraine the soldiers are defending their land, but the russian soldiers do not understand.

why did they come to the territory of ukraine and you, uh, were in the border area. you clearly. you see, this is already the difference in the mood of the pro-russian-minded population about the ukrainian-minded in your opinion, is there enough motivation? with our soldiers, you know, after my release, i talked for several days with our army with our soldiers. that is, they all have a lot of motivation. i can't say anything. well, we came, as they say, alone alone, we came to liberate. uh, as they say, our people, the russian people, from uh nationalism, others are motivated by someone that it is we who have come to free us from european from european expansion. uh, other territories return to the historical luna of the russian state. that i have not seen how to say, i

talked with different soldiers. that is, they are very deeply motivated. i can't do anything else . i didn't see the motivation. no, no, even, on the contrary, somehow confident. here we are while we were driving here is the route of exchange with you. i rode. eh, here, then a few more days i was. here they got me there for now. so i had to come here to moscow there and that's it. i mean, they took me there. you communicated with them closely, just communicated. so they asked, they were, like, from the exchange, that is, they were very motivated. soldiers at the same time, then it was the people of shchelyabinsk and the legend from other russian cities. you said deeply from russia, that is, they are motivated by different ages. well, there was a man there. he was one 48 years old, the other 36 years old, that is, they were motivated. there, other soldiers were already taking me, when they were also taking me home, they were 28-30 years old. that is, they were very motivated and very correctly motivated. that is to me even from a religious point of view.

an initiative to raise the draft is now being discussed age, and from 18 to 21. do you think this is a rational proposal. you know i, well, as they say, i'm more educated. as they say a little bit in the laws, who would refuse, as i was born and raised in a soviet family. here, as it were, before the revolutionary ones, in principle, i, as a historian myself. eh, after all, they called for the royal service just before 21:00 from the age of 22. my great-grandfather went to the royal service, he was , moreover, we know there was a condition for the royal service. that's specifically from my family. i know the history of my entire family. when did you go to service, here are 20 22 years old, you reached the service. you are 22 years old. are you supposed to be married in service? you should have already had children, that is, then you should leave, that is, it’s not that you understand there, that the topic is to kill there and everything was stopped. the root of your family, that is, you already went to the service as a family man, naturally, the state

helped the family. so that was the content. it was not just that this pre-revolutionary time was left to chance. that is, and already in principle, yes, i think yes, 20. now, if we would return to this law, here is the royal one. i think that he was very correct, he was very strong , everyone was 18 years old and i remember 18 years old. and for 22 years now. this is a completely different age, so here is my personal opinion. this is my personal opinion. i've bowed more to those standards. here's to revolutionary. i submit this question to everyone. and you ask me especially i wonder how are you for yourself? determine the lead. what should happen, what you said, we defeated you. well, when well, in principle, luhansk has already returned to the bosom, the historical of their russian state, in principle, for me personally, when all our territories that belonged to the russian empire of the russian state turn into the

bosom of their state. now, when the word of history and our true will e teach our children, when all our monuments will be reborn there again, both tsarist and soviet monuments, this is all our history. that is, and as they say, there will be a very strong patriotic upbringing, it is our great russian that will return to our russian history of our orthodox church. here i believe it is yes it is territory victory. ukraine of new territories and ukrainian such imperial -minded priests. like you, well i think there is. i think there is a fear to talk about it. yes, i don’t want to talk about it out loud, but i think there is, as they say, there is. that is, as they say. i know the future is big. as they say, our future will be even greater and we have great potential, and that is, i, as they say, and in contrast, how would it be who is there? what he didn't say. i believe, as in poetry. i

believe in russia, i believe in the people, and how i believe in our orthodoxy, as they say, and i think that all this will soon dissipate more and more quietly, the patriarch correctly said at christmas sermons. you before the interview. uh, they told me that, to your surprise, none of the elders and seers predicted events. which are now taking place this special military operation armed conflict between russia why well , i can’t say why i read a lot, but the fact is that i believe in the ending, as he said, st. seraphim of starov said that russia would come through great suffering to great glory, and that again she is in unit a large russian state, and sergio sarovskii wrote when the russian empire was the whole whole in the composition as we know it historically. and that it will be a blessed state until the second

coming of christ, from whom or from what, in your opinion, the end of its life and its terms depend on the lord god, everything is in the hands of god, how many plans are in the heart of a person, it will be fulfilled everything that will be from the will of the lord, so let's pray to the lord. he reigns over the kingdom of mankind. so everything will be. i'll destroy this scripture lord god reigns over the kingdom of man and gives power. to whom he wants. so he writes. book of daniel the prophet. and this is the truth, and as we know the apostle paul confirm these words. he says, no, there is no power if there is no god. i believe that our government is saying that our scales will restore our destroyed cities, that is, all enterprises that were destroyed by ukraine and during the period of

hostilities will be restored. and that is, the people are very hardworking donbass. very believing people people. there are , of course, will return to their homes, and again everything will be in every godliness. many thanks to andrew for this interview. thank you. for what did all these details tell? thank you. thank you.

russian troops continue the offensive in the donetsk direction, the enemy suffers losses , the ministry of defense said in the kupyansky krasnolimansk south donetsk directions, fire defeat is inflicted on all. the ministry of defense also reported on new strikes on the warehouses of the ukrainian army, counter-battery combat and the work of its russian federation continues to conduct a special operation on the kupyansk in the direction of the army aviation artillery of the western military district inflicted fire damage by a unit of the fourteenth mechanized brigade of the armed forces of ukraine and the 103 territorial defense brigades in the areas of settlements, pershatranevye birchbark of the kharkiv region and novoselovskaya of the lugansk people's republic. two sabotage reconnaissance groups of the armed forces of ukraine per day in this direction over 30 destroyed.