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against poisoning about the main events this minute in our news release, vladimir putin discussed the course of a special military operation with permanent members. the security council spoke about the phone talks with the leaders of other countries that had recently taken place, and sergei shoigu reported on his trip to the headquarters of the operation. he was there earlier in the week. donetsk, under massed shelling from the ukrainian formations, over the past hour, attacked the kirovsky and kuibyshevsky districts of the petrovsky district, after the shelling, a residential building collapsed from under the rubble
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a wounded man was taken out and the wounded were reported to gorlovka on the same day. she has been operated on and is now in a stable condition. representatives of the military departments of 54 countries could not agree on the supply of german-made leopard tanks to the kiev regime , us secretary of defense lloyd austin told reporters after a meeting of the so -called contact group on support in ukraine, the meeting was held at the american rammstein airbase in germany. austin avoided answering the question of whether he was disappointed or not by berlin's refusal to provide its tanks to the kiev regime. instead, he allowed himself a slight threat against germany. you could hear the statement of the german defense minister
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that they did not accept decision on the supply of leopards, we are focused on ensuring ukraine's ability to conduct successful military operations right now in service with 12 european states . some of them, for example, poland and finland has already been told that they are ready to deliver the car to ukraine, but this requires the consent of germany as a manufacturing country, but there is no such consent yet. we are not afraid of anything. it's just that we have a responsibility to our people in germany in europe and we must weigh the pros and cons before making such decisions. there is nothing else behind this. i firmly believe that a decision will be made soon, but i don't know when and i don't know what it will look like. here, waiting for the green light from germany, the participants of the meeting in ramstein agreed to deliver batches of armored vehicles, weapons and
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ammunition to ukraine as soon as possible, which have been announced in recent days several european countries continue training ukrainian soldiers on their territory poland promised to prepare and equip the ukrainian brigade with t-72 tanks and armored vehicles by the end of march a bad place, military personnel from ukraine are using air defense systems patriot agency rapper, citing an unnamed us official, said in washington calling on the zelensky regime to refrain from offensive until the arrival of the promised weapons and trained soldiers. from a military point of view, i can say that this year it will be very, very difficult to oust russian troops from the territory of ukraine by force. it can happen, but it will be very difficult. and here is what can happen. it is ukraine that will continue to defend itself, stabilizing the front line. it depends on the delivery of our weapons and on the completion of the training of ukrainian soldiers.
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after that, ukraine will have the opportunity to launch an offensive at the tactical or even strategic level. can it eventually western weapons to change the course of the conflict in ukraine answers, see right now in the program of the international review. hello on the air of the international review in the studio fyodor lukyanov today in the program of the international review of the week of the chronicles, do not deny yourself anything. is it possible to win by not participating? instead of the events of the covert escalation in asia against china, a
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coalition of materials is going to our program. such a militaristic week has not been given out for a long time . only the talks about the war at the base of rammstein were decided. how abundant will fate with weapons for ukraine statement urgently give kiev everything it needs to defeat russia powerful pressure on germany to force them to put tanks in berlin in response. if tanks, then let the rest of the americans, too, we only release for the new york times company, either a leak or a duck, the biden administration decided to help the ukrainians recapture the crimea, the last taboos on the supply, congressmen demand to be immediately armed to the teeth. over the entire period of the special operation, more than 4,000 armored vehicles were delivered to ukraine
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artillery guns of aircraft and air defense systems , these figures are given by bloggerberg agency. most of the heavy weapons came from eastern european countries poland, the czech republic, slovenia and other former members of the warsaw pact handed over its 410 tanks, 250 soviet-made infantry fighting vehicles, 40 grad multiple launch rocket systems, and eastern european countries handed over 550 american armored personnel carriers m-113 and m117, and the united states 38 highmorts rocket launchers from aviation, ukraine received 18 su-25 attack aircraft from bulgaria in north macedonia 20 mi-17 helicopters, which were originally intended for afghanistan, were transferred by the united states. eleventh ver. it was soviet-made from the czech republic, slovakia and latvia from turkey, 30
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bayraktard-2 drones, air defense systems, these are 37 german self-propelled anti-aircraft systems cheetah, eight batteries per sams, six us-made missile systems. strela 10 ms from the czech republic six sturmer missile systems from the uk from the artillery of ukraine received 300 towed howitzers, mainly from the usa, as well as more than 400 units of self-propelled artillery mounts from britain poland germany and the us in the next few months. poland plans to send one company of tanks, leopard-2, to the ukrainian fruit, these are 14 vehicles to britain ruta of the challenger 2 tank, and france its light tanks and mks-107 usa bradley and germany 42b marder, in addition, the usa germany agreed to transfer to ukraine one more battery of air defense systems
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there are still fluctuations in terms of tanks and other strike equipment, but the result is predetermined by the course to support ukraine until the victory looks like there is no alternative, and rumors of a possible russian offensive give the discussion additional exaltation , it is foolish to argue that the quality and quantity of weapons is an extremely important factor for the outcome of hostilities. but how decisive we will talk with alexei krivopavlov from the imo and he is not primakov, he explores military strategy. alexei hello well, as much as we hear about military equipment and weapons, as now, i guess i don't remember. that's what it's been like in the last decade. and if we ignore specific events, after all, modern war - is that it, is it a war of technology or is it still warriors of people, if we kind of observe, uh, the nature of, uh, operations in the ukrainian theater. we essentially
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see u classic war there. xx century, somewhat diluted with elements of modern technological solutions, that is, the depth of ingrowth of the archaic in modern operational trends turned out to be a completely unexpected discovery in the clash of approximately equivalent technological states. or maybe it's not archaic. why is it archaic? this is simple the norm is such a military one, so pronounced is the predominance of positioning over maneuverability. it was completely unexpected and difficult to predict. and i'll just remind you in 2003, during a campaign against baghdad, the american avant-gardes. in the early days of the operation, the operations moved at a speed of 240 km per day, which is, well, if during the second world war, so to speak, there were 50-60 km per day. this was considered to be the limit of the vanguard's capabilities. the third mechanized division of the bufrad blunt went to evrat at a speed of 240 km per day. and then it seemed that in the future there would be
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also, but it turned out that the future is preparing reincarnation for us. spain's wars from the point of view of the ends of the speed of consolidation of the positional front and the lack of tools to overcome this positional frontality. well, there are still some types of weapons. now that well, we can say that they determine military success. the quality of changes depends on them - the same tank, which is now being talked about all the time in recent days. he is now what, like before, or something else without secure mobility. there is no concentration of demons, there is no concentration the necessary shock impulse in an attack with e, overcoming the defense opposed to the defense , so the tank will remain relevant in the 20. uh of the first century, their funeral, funeral funeral, in general, heavy armored vehicles. it was all rather premature, the same goes for heavy artillery, massive artillery fire, uh, enhanced by modern means of adjustment. it will still remain relevant. if we talk about the types of the armed
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forces, well, i would, perhaps, single out the tactical aviation there, because, well, let's say on the contrary we have the russian armed forces. the american tactical air force is very much their operational picture of the ukrainian ukrainian events of the ukrainian company would look significantly different. but ask for these legendary drones, oh, which, it’s true , they have begun to talk less now, but for the first time there for several months only about them and talked about them in many ways, they were only discussed about them from the experience of the karabakh campaign of the twentieth year, karabakh events, october, six-week autumn war the twentieth year, they are characterized by the fact that there is air supremacy, as if air supremacy was both won and converted in the form of combat impact on the enemy’s battle formations using mainly unmanned aircraft, the azerbaijani, piloted by the air force for the entire company in all six weeks did approximately 500 sorties. that is, it is very little drop in the sea. uh,
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unmanned aerial vehicles have been used in the fight for air supremacy for a long time. well, the first big one is bright. success is beka valley summer of the eighty-second year 40 years. 40 years ago, so, of course, drones. this is not new on the battlefields of modern warfare, but the news was that dominance was both won and converted into combat impact on the battle formations of rejection, only with the use of hmm to do unmanned aircraft. that is, there, it seems to me, there was very skillful aggressive marketing. actually , the manufacturer, who was moving the goods right now, would be a raktar, he is there, who is the son-in-law, in my opinion, of the current and turkish leader. this is what a combination of experience and motive with here is a lesson understandably, wounds are being removed, but nevertheless, all specialists are closely watching this
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company and all the others that are now going through. is it possible to say that the contours of future changes are already outlined. here is the military perception of future wars by military science much faster than any military system. and any russian american, she learns the lessons of operational and technical tactical from them and will start. uh, if we talk about the russian army, then, of course, direct participants. combat operations they have more insight. although the world of modern military science at the same time the world of modern military science is not american-centric, but it must be very well understood that 9 out of 10 theoretical works written on the theory of military affairs are written in english. here, in our program, one time last year, a very famous american theorist edward lutva spoke about just such a theorist, who, of course, he is following what is happening very carefully. he said uh just about oh what you mentioned, that uh, uh, american and
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russian strategies forgot, what is a real big european war involving not only large units, but also with certain moods of the warring. do we need to proceed from the fact that a new era of wars is opening, well, more classical archaic not in the sense of technology, so to speak, but in the sense of scale. well , if you go back, he very convincingly proved the de-melitarization of the society of all the major world powers today. how does the modern society of the west russia is, in general, part of a given. he is so intolerant of sacrifices that he is earth-litarized, or very close to it. these are his exact words people, quoting from his wonderful work, the strategy logic of war and peace, if we scale the fighting in an environment where technologically comparable adversaries are facing. we
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will have a monstrous increase in bloody losses. is the western dream ready for this, what is its pain threshold, that's all. uh, in general, it hangs a series of very big questions. revival well, for example, such social archaic social practices as a general conscription for the west is still taboo and i can't imagine a western european political party that, having entered the elections with a similar initiative, won both of these elections. but, nevertheless, if the combat situation, in the event of a major local major local conflict. mm, it creates this kind of operational problems both in the armed forces and in the society that feeds these armed forces. we'll have to change a lot, we really underestimated the nature of the war industrial because what is industrial war in the xxi century. here is a very simple example. yes, 3,000 cruise missiles being fired against gaddafi's marble or against adam hussein is a pass to the stone
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age for iraq. since february 22, well, since february 24, about the same number of guided long- range weapons have been fired as an elephant. and the modern industrial state has a colossal ability to restore its strength. it has a completely unforeseen power of resistance. uh ability restore reserves. all this was largely forgotten after 1945 . and now these lessons at the new technological level at the new social level will have to be learned anew, because the modern state 80 years ago could easily cope with what today is unthinkable for more than one political system to take and send tens of millions of people to death. now it can't be afforded by any state that is not conditionally democratic, not very democratic. oh well, interesting form is taken historical
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progress thank you very much. our guest was alexei kripov. of schultz helps, drawing by kislovodsk caricaturist mariana kamensky on signs written ukraine flag on a leopard tank. it is clear that polish is another work of kamensky, apparently the correct course of events from the point of view of the author, the drawing is briefly titled the world economic forum in davos 2023, and the walking cartoonist from jordan mass deliveries from year to year, the author did without comment tanks of the west the drawing is old member. and taiwan's response to the world powers on kiev's request to supply heavy western weapons. and this is a drawing from a cartoonist lodge from china literally across the strait from taiwan on the left, how europe sees its security, and on the right how are things
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really? the escalation through the supply of modern weapons raises the fundamental question of mastering new technology, a process that is not fast if local personnel do not have time to learn, and now it is necessary to fight whether the crews from the supplier states will be put into operation in order not to lose momentum. and if they get up, how soon will the confrontation be official? will move to the level of a clash between one of the largest military powers in the world and the strongest military bloc in the bloc reject the possibility of direct intervention, but the confrontation has its own logic. and it has its consequences. many people were born for ukraine, but for coalition meetings. poland warsaw's relations with steel europe, to put it mildly, difficult germany in general, almost the second front,
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however, polish perseverance is bearing fruit, at least the country has made it into the european military-political washed down, like never before, polish history, at least explains the psychological trauma of four divisions between neighbors without leaving a trace for the national memory, and distrust of russia and germany, but with ukraine , the experience is more difficult, the past does not contribute to fraternization. there is, of course, the logic enemy of my enemy, but besides it, everything is very confused about the peculiarities of the polish ukrainian perception, our regular author alexander popova freedom at the forefront. and that in response , the first cracks appear in relations, those who don’t quite like the ukrainization of poland appear. i don’t think that i did
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something bad and did the ukrainians like this or not? it doesn't matter to me, but as you can see, the principal of the school. yes, he believes that we must do everything so that there are many students from ukraine and we must please them all. he had already cleared 5 years worked as a math teacher at school b low, but one day she broke the rules, took part in a patriotic demonstration in her free time and from work time in her hand she had the leaflet in which the ukrainian students of the school did not like it, and they complained from the director, that they were not heroes, but criminals. now the disciplinary chamber will decide the fate of such teachers. there are things that are offensive in poland, for example, ukrainians hanging a red-black flag on the balconies, that is, a flag, upa conscious polish citizens are trying to respond to these incidents, reporting it on the internet, trying to cover it up the problem is
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that they are immediately called russian agents on may 9, when laying flowers at the soviet cemetery, like every year to meet the ukrainians plucked them about the same lily. the same group of ukrainian activists blocked the eastern polish border for several weeks earlier. don't let her trucks eu facts of aggression. oh, and the aggression is starting. uh, from scratch, that is, a driver from belarus is resting, a car drives up to him or they just silently break windows, or it’s at night that state signs are torn off cars for the georgian president, who is engaged in documenting valuy. captivity, he admits that the next anniversary last year was celebrated rather modestly so as not to irritate visitors from ukraine. however, history cannot be put aside, sooner or later you will have to face it. we must remember and spread this story. we
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knew people who were victims of ukrainian nationalists. we must honor their memory and bury. we are not starting a polish-ukrainian war. it’s just that the guilty must admit it and they must ask our forgiveness in polish seven these ukraine has been discussing for several weeks now , the confederation party and the deputies are heating up the situation with nationalists and fierce patriots. poland was cleaned up to the microphone , questions about why support for refugees comes at the expense of dating, for example, polish pensioners, are uncomfortable questions. at best, the microphone is turned off, if today's state is the highest necessity for you, then when it ends, what conditions on which front must be met, so that you say, it's time to return to normal life. what the rudeness? exactly, do you still pray in polish or already in russian? i hope pike came to poland from western ukraine and after her and her whole family they received financial
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support, vouchers for buying housing , a job offer. they understand that without this support it will be difficult for them to get back on their feet. nadia admits, however, that her compatriots. they do not always know how to thank for help. well, you have a low level. let's do it better, but the people are ordinary poles , those who, well, took to help, they don't have such an opportunity. eh, they are so chic conditions provide, and this too over time. uh, by the pole himself, probably repulsed, in general, any desire to help the feeling of injustice that the poles experience is aggravated. why is it profitable for polish companies to accept a ukrainian, not a pole. or why ukrainians who do not work in poland can get more support? than the poorest polish pensioners who have worked for years quarrel and how to explain to people that i remember that even walking around the market square in krakow they
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hear. alexandra popova especially for international review as for the political behavior of warsaw, let's talk with dmitry bunevich, he closely follows polish politics. hello dmitry. we often hear fedor, including at a high level, of the assumption that poland is waiting for the final collapse of the ukrainian state in order to take the trophy. i understand that there are revenge-seekers in all countries, but in general, objectively speaking, this is such a dumb thing this is a dangerous carve-up, but is it really possible to say that such moods are present where they are? this is very such a passionate people. ah, with such a bright geopolitical thinking with a certain historical tradition, uh, and a perception of itself as a country that is fighting for one of the
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leading places in europe, the european union. e in the collective west. let's put it this way, given the conflict in ukraine, the importance of poland is objectively increasing and, of course, there are forces in polish society and in the polish litas that would like to somehow convert this growth into some acquisitions that can be expressed in different forms. the well-known polish statesman marshal joseph filsutsky wanted to include in the second speech, the commonwealth territory between the baltic and black seas in the new association also called between the sea, in addition to poland itself , ukraine, belarus, the entire baltic, as well as yugoslavia, hungary, romania and czechoslovakia, this led to the beginning of the polish- during the soviet war, epilsutsky's plans were not implemented, but in 1922 a significant part of the lands inhabited by non-poles turned out to be under the rule of poland. first second
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world war ii project between the seas was forgotten in 2009, it resurfaced in the materials of the american analytical agency stressfor in connection with poland's active support of georgia during the august 2008 war , according to the wickins website. between the sea was mentioned in emails almost 400 times, and since 2012. yes, streetwork began to use this term publicly in 2016 in croatian dubrovnik, a new alliance arose the initiative of the three seas, the concept of cooperation between countries located in the region between the baltic black and the adriatic the seas were put forward by polish president andrzej duda a year later in warsaw at the second summit of this organization, donald trump said that the united states was striving to provide poland with access to alternative energy sources so that its neighbors would never again become hostages of a single
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energy supplier. so between the seas became a common polish-american project for the supply of liquefied gas to europe 2 months before the start of the russian special operation. in ukraine , a newspaper columnist, a polish-cousin bartosz. barczak, called on warsaw to recreate was the power of the commonwealth at the expense of russian spheres of influence in the opinion. second, thanks to the clash between russia and the united states in eastern europe, warsaw had a chance to squeeze moscow out of its spheres of influence in belarus and ukraine, the columnist suggested waiting until russia loses the position of strong countries, and then extending its power to minsk ikeev, as the observer modern warsaw can even to go further than 400 years ago , it is noteworthy that 2 days before the start of the special operation, junior became the us ambassador to poland son from bignivo in jizzy mark brzezinski,
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who announced the construction of more than military installations in the next 10 years. then the polish president. duda promised that there would be no borders between poland and ukraine, and they would build together common happiness and common strength. uh, your question is so interesting, because usually, uh, and always, probably, in documentary documents in official statements, such things do not sound in any country. it doesn't always say no. it is, so to speak, equal relationship, warsaw ikea's ally. they are just supportive. uh, the ukrainian leadership in its conflict. e with russia because it meets some kind of ideas about a just world order, but at the same time in polish society in polish. in such a political discussion, uh, there is the theme of some kind of revision of the injustices that were, uh, committed against poland in the 20th century. yes. e. this is
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very noticeable in historical politics, because, well, one of the most monstrous from the point of view of poland the events of the 20th century are the pact of molotov ribbentrop, yes, and you will follow him. uh, political transformations, but not only pak with a hammer is such a terrible historical event for poland, but also yalta yes, here i am in the polish political historical tradition, this is a symbol of betrayal, a symbol of treason and symbols of injustice towards poland from, above all, the western allies, and wait and how then are those territorial transformations that were obtained as a result of yalta, such an interesting paradox of thinking, perceived. yes, because on the one hand. uh, the poles really got in the northwest, the former german territories. yes, and very active mastered them. these were and remain the most developed parts of the polish state. but at the same time, what they lost in the east is perceived as, well, injustice, as a violation of some kind of historical integrity of the polish state, because cities such as
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vilno yes, seen from ada lvov, have a special place in polish history. yes, and in general here is the term crosses. yes oriental crosses which are used in poland, it means a lot for national identity, because it is considered yes or it was believed that it was on these territories of the border territories that this polish one was forged yes, here is the idea of ​​who the poles are yes, what are the most important features of their identity and it was in this slightly hostile environment, where a significant part of the population was not a clearing, but there were poles and these poles, they felt their polish identity most acutely. here in the current specific er, the international political situation, germany's demands are very persistent and aggressive on the part of poland er. return to the second world payment of gigantic reparations. this game looks a little crazy political or really the calculation of some kind of result.

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