[000:00:00;00] our former western partners want to arrange a big bang for us, we are talking about an article by the already former american ambassador to russia , michael mcfall, in the most authoritative us political magazine handicap on the queen, you can say, this is a cry from the heart of those political circles that organized the war in ukraine, the article directly states that that the prolongation of the conflict has already become unprofitable for the west and a number of measures are proposed that, according to the author's intention, should radically change the situation in ukraine, that is, nato should keep the military the victory over our country is even assigned the date of a radical change on february 24, the anniversary of its. why is mr. mcful in such a hurry, which means the appearance of such an article, we will talk with one of the most authoritative political scientists of our country, honored

professor sergey karaganov sergey alexandrovich if we have sergey alexandrovich , so sergey alexandrovich and you hear us, i understood you, and i hear. yes good evening. what do you think, good afternoon. good evening. why do you think the very fact of the appearance of such an article in such a an authoritative publication and, uh, such a cry of the soul, i just called it so many desires to urgently solve everything. why such articles appear from time to time. and now they went on a whole jamb. uh, and this mcfall's article isn't anything particularly outstanding. why did they go sideways? i think this is due to the fact that, uh, very recently, uh, the same fly face , all the other and similar publications

that reflect uh, the views of the current uh, the ruling elite of the united states and or europe did not say that he was an immediate defeat that here now russia will be defeated and they said that there should be no negotiations, there should be no talks on mcfaul, uh, the most naked of them, he is a personal problem for him. he failed both as an ambassador and as a political scientist, but, but other political scientists are now serious people, but more and more often they offer. offer e something not nothing else, but to fix the russian victories, uh, maybe after the onset of the counteroffensive, uh, of the ukrainian army and start negotiating. uh, it's just that i understand that in the united states of america, uh, there is a growing understanding that they

trapped in their trap. and that, uh, sooner or later, russia will just crush the ukrainian armed forces. e, and. maybe even go further and that's why they want to, uh, now uh, stop the russian offensive, uh, and thwart it. uh, so he broke his. but that's about what we can go. then they scare the inhabitants of europe for a long time, but you and i understand very well, maybe, uh. i somehow expressed myself incorrectly here, but nevertheless, you and i understand that we are ready to fulfill the tasks that we have set the president before the start of a special military operation and nothing more, and therefore , in this respect, and it’s clear that this is a threat that we will go to berlin and so on , this is, and is specially done in order to intimidate the local residents, a and uh, here comes the next question.

you have already noticed that there has been a lot of talk lately, well, let's talk directly about the world, and this is connected with an understanding of the realities on the fronts , or is it still connected with the internal political struggle. you are already all states and alone political circles understand that everything is going on. not where i would like it of course, the struggle in political circles and understanding of the situation. they got into a situation that they cannot manage in europe quite obviously, but simply, and despair, we are dealing with a small capable elite - this, by the way, is not encouraging, because it is not capable and has recently been capable, but nevertheless, but jesus is and she throws these resources on in order to burn ukrainians as much as possible. and give

the last battle to the coming new world, what the same concerns whether we go further. eh, of course, we absolutely do not need to go to berlin if it is not necessary with the wall or for a lesson, but it is clear that if a our westerners are against it. they will continue in this way to continue trying to pass russia, knocking out hundreds of thousands of ukrainians at the same time. sooner or later , a third can go. i punish our western uh adversaries. e. well, of course , i would like to, uh, no, not bring it to this, but still, but to achieve these kings, which we set ah, i will remember the demilitarization of ukraine complete timiryazelization of ukraine identification

what does it mean to overthrow the current regime and, uh , turn what remains of ukraine from my point of view into more or less friendly or eh? uh, buffer burzh -friendly buffer state. naturally, so far these goals have not been voiced directly by our leadership. but i think uh from my point of view. uh, there are precisely such goals, especially for uh, the densification of demilitarization. can only become such a goal. uh, well, here, uh, to carry out a complete demo-militarization. we understand that a if you leave, uh, a piece of even ukraine that is not controlled by us, then there it will be stuffed and, rather, this piece will be stuffed with hammers and all sorts of other unpleasant things . it started again this week , and there was a conversation on the part of the ukrainian

authorities about the resumption of discussions on the nuclear status of ukraine. and this, by the way, was one of the reasons for the special military operation. and in general, this topic is the importation of nuclear weapons into the territory of ukraine from outside. west, after all, uh, while everything goes on the rise at first small arms, then from javelins, and now f-16 aircraft. well, the logic is, what to do with it, if it does come to pass? and you know, well, you answered the pumpnovich quite clearly to the first part of your question, but we shouldn’t leave e in ukraine, e, something that might e represent, but for us a danger, maybe there are some western regions on the teidlto with other countries, but it is no longer my business to decide, but, in principle, ukraine cannot exist as a hostile state. this is quite obvious. what's more, she proved it. e with all my

short story. and that she is not able to create. uh, capable normal states. well, yes, god bless the ukrainians, it's a pity, anyway. as for nuclear weapons, then escalation in general, and, of course, we are among others. eh, allowed some calculations on undersleeping - shows enough determination to find escalation waves that our western adversaries on e, but produced e. remember first one and those weapons of other types of weapons. ah, we endured everything, but i think that sooner or later this patience will come to an end. what as for the actual nuclear weapons, i am more or less sure that i will not be delivered to ukraine because nuclear uh weapons in ukraine this is a nightmare for the americans. of course, they will not give anything to the ukrainians. it should control the americans and the americans of american nuclear weapons. in

ukraine, this means an automatic strike on the staff of america. i am a historian of nuclear strategy. you know that the americans for a very long time, uh, they want to bring even all the territories of europe to weapons in order to disconnect themselves from you of the european theater of the military action, let the europeans fight. they will sit there, namely the europeans. eh, for many years you. for the preservation and even building up somewhere outside the name of the europeans. first of all, they were once the initiators of the famous missile crisis, because they were afraid of losing the roof of the nuclear roof of the united states of america, but this is a very complex and difficult issue. and i'm not even sure that we should discuss it, but the ukrainians themselves, uh, in the short term, cannot create nuclear weapons

, they cannot create the most effective dirty one. yes bomb. yeah well, that's enough. uh, shitty thing, but not a traditional weapon of mass destruction. just disgusting filth, but they will also pay for it. and there is, if they get it there, uh, on their territory. uh, nuclear weapons, then there are questions of a harmful strike. eh, it will be solved. another thing is that we are quite like? it seems to me that under no circumstances are we going to and will not use nuclear weapons against the bright ukrainian people. and by the way, when they pump up this hysteria about the fact that russia can allegedly use nuclear weapons in ukraine , this is completely fake. and i think that everything needs to be done, perhaps so that nuclear weapons are not used, but

we certainly don’t need to hit them more in ukraine. i repeat in ukraine it is definitely not necessary to imbate. i understand you. well, i wanted to provoke you a little yes to such an answer. but how are you, as a nuclear power strategist. what 's stopping you from withdrawing the americans now? well, now, okay, until now they can justify this, which prevented the withdrawal of nuclear weapon. well, uh, firstly, it's really the euro, firstly, in general, it didn't bother anyone, especially there are a small number of free-fall bombs at the bases. uh, in a number of countries on it this way the americans. uh, they showed their absolutely fake guarantees. e on their ally and pretended that they, in which case they could use

nuclear weapons. i'm good enough. the strategy of the history of the nuclear strategy of the united states of america can superstition say everything that since the soviet union got a fairly confident opportunity retaliatory strike. and maybe even before i have had documents that i saw even in the fifty-first year, which shows that the top american leadership never met. uh, use nuclear weapons, and for a situation where the soviet union of russia with this , and even more so, can answer all the talk of a nuclear, but a nuclear umbrella on the territory of the united states of america and the protective degree. this is the roof. well, this roof was convenient for the europeans, even if they didn’t really believe, uh, serious the people who are there, however, are now gone and i don't believe it ever. i assure you. these are my yes

colleagues and seniors. and they just didn't believe the experts when they, well, played, because it made it possible to save on military expenses. above you is a nuclear umbrella, but why do we need it, respectively? try to defend, you can live in peace and fatten. and for what now the europeans are paying dearly and, apparently, will pay. uh up on their wallets. i hope that the lord god will save us from paying for this life, and sergei alexandrovich, but you know, it still raises a question and bewilderment, probably, when in practice. uh, now the situation is in the zone of his own and so on. i want my question to be understood correctly.

and we have already discussed this topic with our colleagues, but it turns out that nuclear weapons from both sides, thank god, will not be fired and they will not be used there. but on the other hand, it turns out that a war can again start a global war? i mean, a la already. world war ii yes great patriotic world war, that is, the usual weapons. well, here's the full program with tank breakthroughs, mass mobilization strikes and everything else. and then the question. and why is nuclear weapons needed and what role does it play in maintaining the country's security? aleksandrovich this is the most difficult question, in general, the traditional theory of nuclear deterrence. uh, it's not working right now, we 're thinking systematically with a survey. but in principle, uh, if you would me or any other person who knows military strategy in the west. uh, they would have asked three or four years two and a half years ago. is three possible?

e. is it possible to conduct a large full-scale war? and in the zone of vital interests and near the side of the great nuclear power, i would say no, but past experience, but i know that, unfortunately, now we are dealing with the subjugation of politicians. eh, forgotten fears of war in general, i call this e nuclear parasitism. yes, and about and in general, in general, irresponsibly, well, in europe, but just empty brains and people completely forgot about what the world is for 70 years, they have atrophied, and strategic thinking abilities in america i think someone else understands something, but there, too, uh, this fear of war, uh, disappeared, ah, with generations. uh, and we see that now, uh, the americans are playing by

such rules that even their own theorists and their own, uh, military strategy considered unacceptable. uh in the past. e. well, apparently, uh, they will have to, uh, teach them new rules. i would like to do this, and without monstrous sacrifices. uh, sergey alexandrovich, why is this question extremely important, because, well, you yourself understand this very well, i am more for our tv viewers this topic. we would raise this why. because now, after all, the talk about the acquisition of nuclear weapons by other countries also comes to the fore. i mean this situation. well, in iran , in other countries that may have a fuck may not have. uh, nuclear weapons and so on. that is , we understand that the concept of nuclear deterrence. as i understand it, it needs to be reviewed and some new concept of global security should be invented, on what

then to build it, if there was a basis for nuclear deterrence, nuclear war is impossible, and now it turns out that somehow not everything. well, water alexandrovich, you asked a question on which we are now fighting. i'm not sure that i 'm ready to give an unambiguous and open answer, but to this question, but in order to make you cheer. i can theoretically do that, but think about it? well, of course, the first step is to restore confidence in the nuclear industry. i hope that this e will happen without the use of nuclear weapons. we need to think about how this can be done, some suggest doing a nuclear bomb test, somewhere there is something not in the densely populated territories remind yes, there are quite a large number of all sorts of scenarios. yes, i don’t want to discuss them now, because, uh, i ’m sitting in the office. it will be a pure conclusion

of the cabinet line, which is just not there, because it is very complex. subject yes, i understand you, right? it will confuse, look, as for the distribution, it goes to weapons, otherwise let me take one more provocative one in the past, we have a completely obvious idea that goes to weapons, it is distributed first, it turned out to be the usa then the ussr, then in china, uh, britain, france , yes, then a number of other countries. and the world did not collapse, and moreover, in some regions it became calmer, israel, having received nuclear weapons, became less afraid. uh, iran and its own and arab neighbors, who were threatened by terrible threats. korea, having received nuclear weapons , became less afraid. ah, everyone else. uh. i think it is going to such a state, when

, uh, a number of countries are still discharged, they will receive nuclear weapons. and while this, of course, increases the risk of accidental use of nuclear weapons, a unpredictable consequences and certainly tens of hundreds of victims, but in principle, if we want a multi-polar world policy, then its real foundations can be not only the economy, but also nuclear weapons. i think that this is what the world is going to and maybe should come. i know there are, uh, and great strategies in the west that share my opinion like this. although, i myself am not completely sure about it yet, and i certainly know that while officially, on the official, our point of view coincides with my explicit one, but another thing is that

the official point of view can also change or it doesn’t have to change, but logic, of course, tells us e not only the possibilities and probability, but it’s even possible that the usefulness when acquiring a number of countries still goes to arms, at least they will become much less , dependent on the middle states of america well, for example, yes, yes, this may eventually lead to a sick more stable balance, but uh, it will certainly come to make us go through uh through a period of rather acute nuclear instability, but it is already face, by the way speaking, even more or less in the old configuration, and moreover, the world still came, but in a constant general earthquake. and you need to think about how

it will come out of it, but you need to think about load-bearing structures. this is this future world. i don't rule it out. and that one of the load-bearing structures should be multipolar to the nuclear measure, sergey alexandrovich, is an extremely interesting topic, and p. i would love to continue discussing it with you, but thank you very much. our on-air conversation ends. i'm glad you responded to our request. talk. i am your old fan, and i hope that we will meet again on the air and discuss this new pillar of the new world . thank you very much and alexandrovich and i often watch yours. thank you very much, but we remind you that we talked with the scientific director of the faculty of world economics and world politics of the higher school of economics , honorary chairman of the presidium of the council on foreign and defense policy sergei the us department of defense officially announced a new military assistance package for ukraine, which will include

small diameter bombs for the first time. they start from lands with the help of reactive salvo systems hymars and are capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 150 km. washington will also send to the kiev regime zamet-, e, hawk anti-aircraft missile systems and armored vehicles. the total cost of the new aid package exceeds $2 billion 100 million. and all at first, the russian special military operation, the united states, allocated more than $ 29 billion for pumping the zelensky regime weapons. high-ranking officials of the european union these days in kiev at the summit , ukraine tried to achieve even more military financial assistance and accelerated entry of the country into the eu, whether the expectations of kiev and the misar from brussels were supported by natalia solovyova, the mariinsky palace in kiev, instead of being kept secret for a long time, met according to the law

of wartime, but now the attributes of a political show cannot do without them, not one visit to ukraine let ren of the air raid, under the guns of tv cameras, lead the head of the european commission vonderlein into the shelter past obviously bored employees. apparently the tense atmosphere of the hotel should convince her doctors to not be stingy. for a donation. and kiev wants heavy weapons money. preferably in matters such as mobile access without roaming. this is a photo session under the big word summit , a narrow meeting of a dozen european officials, headed by fonderly, the head of euro-diplomacy barrel and the european council. michel. we came to cheer, kiev once again expressing support. we will support you in everything because. we are absolutely independent from the kremlin because ukraine is part of the european family. the second message. being ukraine in the eu ukrainians. you made a choice in favor of freedom and democracy

your future is with us. if on your side you are a symbol in europe in brussels, although they love loud rhetoric, but at the same time, ukraine will have the results of reforms, kiev has been conducting exemplary anti-corruption purges all week, however, the guests clearly make it clear that this is not enough 2 years when i say that we have ambitions to join the european union within the next two years. this means that we have time to put on the table for our european partners the fulfillment of all the conditions already today was politely rebuffed to his efforts, but the steps in this direction are clearly small. you are taking important steps towards the reforms necessary in the country of the candidate for the eu, and what is especially striking is that you are coping with this in war conditions. we will continue to support you, at every stage there is no fast track for ukraine's eu membership in the translation from diplomatic to human. writes to zelensky to offer symbolic

support in the fight against russia without creating false hopes of joining the european union, but kyiv is unlikely. i took into account that the help would be symbolic so long as instead of a big european one. the families of the european commissioner have promised light bulbs an invaluable thing, provided that there is money for electricity. good luck back in june. she stated well that ukrainians are ready to die for the european perspective, without specifying, however, how distant it can be, now she, like diplomats, admit it is more about decades. but are ukraine ready for this, natalya solovyova alexander porhunov, matvey popov and had mersai news. the russian army received a new bmp-3 with enhanced protection, as stated in rostec, the state corporation handed over to the ministry of defense this year's first batch of vehicle armor from kurgan, they were made in frames.

e, the state defense order equipment was modernized taking into account the wishes of the military, and the advantages of the new model a on voronin new reliable bmp-3s of their own the ministry of defense received this year's first batch of infantry fighting vehicles with enhanced protection, in demand in the zone of the special military operation, kurgan machine builders not only successfully completed the execution of the order to the state collection, but have already begun the first deliveries under contracts. for the current year, the fundamental difference is that, first of all, the first. uh, this car has some really great body armor compared to previous models and we think it's such a decent enough success going forward. we have a very good power-equipment of the engine, there are more, uh, modern ones, but they, in fact, have been modified, but they are already more reliable, because they have been worked out. well, and, of course, weapons weapons are also more modern more active ones use some electronic devices that allow you to work with this machine in different conditions. among them is the overcoming of water barriers.

a nineteen-ton vehicle in water can move at speeds up to 10 km / h on land, the speed of a bm and it can be seven times higher in the arsenal of an infantry fighting vehicle, a 100-millimeter, thirty-millimeter coaxial cannon and several machine guns, the main supplier is unconditional. this kurgan mashzavod is the main base plant that produces exactly the category of light armored vehicles is the bmp-3. well, that's all. uh, the rest of the modifications that are associated with this machine, when a special military operation was announced, but all our main production facilities that are involved in this operation in one way or another work in a special mode in a special mode. and this is good personnel, before the teams understand this task and treat it very patriotically, so to speak, and perform work with good and decent quality, the state corporation rostekhna increased production in the evil zone sent and rocket artillery. attack transport helicopters, attack aircraft , heavy flamethrower systems. t-90m tanks correctly iskander ka-52

helicopters su-35 fighters. and the su-57, as well as the cube and lancet drones, although kiev is trying to convince everyone that everything is about to end for russia, ukraine itself is completely dependent on the supplies of nato countries, and they are trying to merge, mainly equipment from storage, that is, it has to be restored the smell delivers not the newest equipment in ukraine. uh, in fact, with new perceptions, he himself does not disposes, if we talk about the latest news, for example, from the usa to the kiev regime, the bmp bradlili. these are products of 1981 for the disposal of western weapons in the west , you need to pay money, and for the disposal of their methods of burning in ukraine, they will still receive some other than infantry fighting vehicles in the army. soon new amphibious armored personnel carriers mdm shell and armored recovery vehicles will move

to voronina tatyana nikitina olga lvukhina 200. well, more events coming out of the week. china's foreign ministry names the united states as the main culprit in the ukrainian conflict according to the official representative of the maonin department, washington supplies weapons to kiev and thereby complicates the crisis situation. she added that the prc authorities will not tolerate attacks from the white house and are ready to defend their companies in the event of anti-chinese sanctions for supporting russia, we will not accept such attacks that do not operate on facts and will not calmly watch how washington without any rational grounds infringes on the legitimate interests of chinese enterprises. the us military will open four new bases in the philippines said the pentagon this is in

addition to the five already operating in the islands , according to the agency. such a move is necessary to support the state in the event of various threats, the washington post previously wrote that the goal of such an expansion is to contain china in the pacific region, a military cooperation agreement between the philippines and the united states has been in force since 2014. chinese scientists have cloned a highly productive holstein cow for the first time milk per year and more than 100 tons in a lifetime , such a scientific breakthrough will allow the country to reduce dependence on imported cattle, since today up to 70% of dairy cows.