a decade later, he poses some kind of danger to ukraine. well, this says it all, but about the quality of the work that is being done, and here is the current list that was published in addition to all these nonsense about assets that i cannot now withdraw from ukraine and everything else. what you said, it is replete with numerous inaccuracies, for example, e. this list includes two chairmen of the department for external church relations and your obedient servant and metropolitan. uh, budapest, hungarian illarion, that is, apparently, security officers. they didn't bother. uh, follow the church news and didn't know what the bishops were saying. he is working today in a different place, that you will get like this, a copyist, and for you it will be, uh, less than something in your life, work. for me. this is unlikely to be something, it means that i just live in a situation where e there logically explains something with someone, it is very difficult to argue about minimizing it. after all, this is a list he is compiling, but simply by himself

simply because i occupy such a place, i i am a bishop of the russian church, and what motivates those people who make these lists is quite obvious. this is purely political motivation. and the fact that this is happening is that i also got into the ukrainian list. and if i get into some other lists there, it simply means that that work, that service, that obedience that i carry out. it eventually achieves its goal. i am trying to draw the attention of the world community to those problems , serious problems that exist today in relation to the economic church. in ukraine to these persecutions. i have used this word more than once today, and it is clear that the ukrainian authorities do not like it. e. well, that's why they take such steps. so, this is still such a part more theoretical, but on the ground in ukraine there really is, mass searches of detention the day before, just a couple of days ago, on the instructions of the country's president vladimir zelensky, as they emphasized, they are alive.

worked out persons who, by their actions , harm the security of the state in various fields. that is, there were some we understand new arrests. uh, is there anything known about the next detentions of, uh , clergymen of the bishops ? we are regular. uh, we become witnesses of both press reports and from some of our personal contacts, we learn about how everything is to the new fuck priests at night in the early morning, uh, ukrainian security officers break in, turn their cells upside down, their workers cabinets, and uh, find there in quotation marks. e , some evidence that they are somehow connected with moscow and with e, a state

that ukraine considers an aggressor, and easter greetings serve as such evidence. e, bishop signed by the patriarch of moscow and all russia kirill book. e, dedicated to the problems of the ukrainian split. eh, some old editions, which in general. well, obviously they don't pose any threat. yes, they are not evidence of any criminal actions of these er, bishops of these priests these laymen, but under these completely far-fetched fabricated pretexts , pressure begins. blackmail begins . threats begin. hmm, that's all. this happens obviously because the corresponding command is given. and i would like to emphasize that all these actions. here's how, uh, it's called quoted. yes, only as it is called ukraine yes. eh, after all, you need to understand that all this is done only in relation to one.

a specific religious denomination only in relation to the canonical ukrainian orthodox church, that is, it is completely obvious. uh, a completely planned discrimination in this regard was renting it out to other guests. do you think orthodox maidan is possible in ukraine? can orthodox people stand up there who go to canonical churches? in defense of the economic ukrainian orthodox church, you know , history, of course, does not know the subjunctive mood and it is difficult to talk about what will happen next, but what is despite all these actions. i mentioned, only some of them now, uh, despite uh, very painful actions for the orthodox believing people ukrainian authorities. such as withdrawal. and now even the greatest shrines of the ukrainian orthodox church. uh, the kiev-pechersk lavra, and uh, an attempt to persuade the brothers of the lavra, again, the bishops to the priests of the laity , to persuade them to what to ensure that they

renounce their church and enter into schism, these attempts. mostly. they are not successful, because the believing people stands for the truth stands for the truth, and i am sure that despite all these attempts to break. e people, of course, no one will ever eradicate faith from all hearts. and of course i'm a believer the pious ukrainian people are strong in their faith, and they will stand, despite all these threats. what do you think lada cantoni? is it only ukraine, only the lycians, who are to blame for the fact that these persecutions of the canonical church are taking place now? we somehow forget in this context in a conversation, for example , the patriarch of constantinople, who , in fact, did it. maybe the schismatics got something from us. the patriarch of constantinople tried uh unilaterally to give the so-called take. it's in quotes canonical

legitimacy to what is happening and unconditionally. e from the very beginning, when the ukrainian authorities conceived this strategically adjusted program of persecution of the canonical church by patriarch bartholomew. he blessed everything, encouraged and did everything possible to ensure that, unfortunately, these persecutions. e, began, took place, continued, e founding of this so-called dog of the orthodox church of ukraine e. all his actions are aimed at supporting this structure and putting pressure on the primates of other local churches so that they recognize this schism. his a statement that he made just recently, when the leader of the raskolnikovs, the ukrainian mr. dumenko e, was on the lantern and the patriarch bartholomew declared that the kiev-pechersk lavra should belong to the schismatics. e, seeing what is happening in the form of e, the believers are expelled from the temples, as, e again , the bishops e, are summoned for interrogations.

searches are carried out at their homes, seeing how people suffer as patriarchs, he considers all this to be right and legal, and this encourages and blesses more than that, if we remember how the patriarchal justified his intervention in ukrainian church issues. he said that his actions were designed to heal the schism, because the situation at the time of the invasion of the patriarchate of constantinople into ukraine was like this. that there were several church jurisdictions was the canonical and orthodox church, which certainly exists today, and there were at least two more schismatic groups opposing each other. and despite the fact that the russian church for decades , as long as this schism exists , methodically and patiently took steps towards to heal this schism, patriarch bartholomew decided to heal this sin. eh, well, figuratively speaking, a seriously ill person, and everything is fine with you, don’t worry and don’t pay attention, everything is fine. this is what healing it led to, it led to the fact that

the suffering of people multiplied , the division among believers multiplied and, of course, his share of responsibility for what is happening is colossal, besides speaking about those who are involved in one way or another in this situation. well , let's get back to where we started our conversation, and i spoke in the un security council in order to draw the attention of the world community to this problem. today, society is so concerned about the topic and human rights of a variety of rights, including those that the church is known to be critical of, because they are incompatible with the christian way of life, but today in the majority. reception the world community is quite calmly watching what the state power of ukraine is doing with believers. while the right to practice one's faith is a fundamental human rights the constitution of ukraine enshrines the principle of non-intervention of the state in church life. and today, all this is being violated by the state in the most rude way. e interferes in the life of the church.

and this is covered in silence patriarch kirill , speaking recently at the eleventh christmas parliamentary readings in the state duma, said that many of our compatriots who left the country need spiritual help and edification , and noted that among the younger generation. for many years, imported values ​​were implanted. well, i have a question, how do you you can help these people who have left, and how they can be helped in general. well, the patriarch says one thing when speaking in the state duma, and the deputies who sit in the hall one after another every day they say that these people should not be allowed into the country. they need to raise their income tax there, if they receive money in russia. they need to seize their property. well, you understand that people follow all this news and being abroad there are not very many of them. it's like they are inspired to return to their homeland, and maybe half of them, uh,

were in hesitation or in thought and return. well, after all, the statement of politicians on this topic. they are also very different and there are diametrically opposite points of view. but i would still like to comment on the words of his holiness, the patriarch, about which you mentioned, and in fact i even personally understand very well what the patriarch said, because in our past programs, when we met, i spoke about the fact that i myself was a priest abroad and, for the most part, in rome, where i served and was the rector of the temple. e the majority. parishioners our church were just those of our compatriots, and not only immigrants from russia but from ukraine from other countries who came to italy to earn money, that people who, primarily due to various economic reasons. they wanted to find a job to earn something to save up for something. at the same time, of course, they consider themselves russians and speaking ukrainians. about the house here is the house. they meant, of course, their homeland. well, a person

comes to an unfamiliar country in the same rome, but i don’t know where to look for work, i don’t know and don’t understand what difficulties he is there encounters, he arrives in a completely alien environment, where everyone speaks a language unfamiliar to him. at confessions, every day i heard absolutely tragic stories of how people experienced this loneliness, i will leave this. that is, i am more than that, i can tell you frankly. even i myself, when i went to italy and his holiness the patriarch sent me there to serve. i remember the first month. yes, i was very homesick for my homeland, it was really difficult for me alone. although i still lived in well, as it were, in my own context, because the majority of the parishioners are people with whom i could speak the same language. well, of course , this is the feeling of being in a foreign land, it appears when you realize that you have come for a week to eat, try pasta and pizza. and you will now live in this country and this country nobody knows you here, you don't know anyone. and these tragedies of loneliness. in fact, very

often it led to the fact that people in adulthood in our church were baptized because they consciously. beginning to realize how much they need god they need a church, and it was there that they waxed in adulthood. and now speaking about our compatriots who left like this for various reasons. i must tell you that many of them come to our churches abroad today . well, in part, maybe a little lost. yes, in need of advice, in need of human comfort. they don't know where else to find this consolation. and, of course, naturally. so they reach out to the temple, they come to the priest and our priests try to support these people, try to help them spiritually, because this is the main task of the church. and, of course, this is exactly what his holiness the patriarch had in mind when he uttered these words from the rostrum of the state duma, let’s imagine that one of these people, let’s say a man, admitted his age while watching this interview in ours , they are now abroad for one

single reason. they do not want to return to become let's say travel restrictions or be mobilized or drafted. if suddenly they fall under e, then the age category, and in their ukraine, this is their right. the truth is we can't im in that right from us choice. what advice would you give people. uh, very difficult in matters relating to spiritual life. and as a priest, i can only talk about this. uh, very difficult. find some equation that would be equally suitable for solving all problems and, uh, the task of the priest. first of all, it helps a person spiritually, and these are the questions. and i know that many people with these questions come to the priest and talk about them at confession, but what happens at confession is a secret confession every priest, while talking with a parishioner. he, of course, can give him some spiritual advice, but this always remains a secret

, which only god knows, the master of the european union has already announced that on february 24 the tenth anniversary package of anti-russian sanctions will be released the head of the european commission, ursola vonderlein, announced this on a joint press -conference zelensky and how the life of the church will change. for example, if e will be tougher sanctions against representatives of the russian orthodox church. and one more question. i'm interested, uh our church abroad carries out, but the usual such economic activity. yes , we have many entries. what great difficulties are already arising in connection with the sanctions, that is, what difficulties our church abroad faces every day. let me start from the end to answer this question about the complexity, but the difficulties have begun. as a matter of fact, already in the spring they were not connected with the problems that you mentioned, but were connected with the fact that our church in many ways became a victim of that russophobic hysteria that unfolded

especially in some countries. in western europe , unfortunately, a number of our churches were vandalized, these manifestations of vandalism. e hmm the world has a different character, but mostly something offensive was written on the walls of the temple. somewhere there were some shares. we in each case, er, understand quite well who is behind this and in the main. i must say that these are, well, some local residents , unconditionally not ours, believers and not immigrants, who came and, let's say, could have some reason to contain your offense your evil. here, including the guards, these are local residents, who , figuratively speaking, if you take france, yellow vests somehow, apparently, come to naught, people have nothing special to do. they go after watching the news. they go to paint the temples, of course, a little. now the logistical issues are more difficult to solve, related to the fact that there is no direct communication and in order for the priest, for example, to come to his homeland. many of them still have their parents and

relatives with some economic issues. decides. yes, now it's getting harder and much more expensive. and, of course, not everyone can now afford, uh, fly here. here. well, in general, in general, we do not yet feel any serious restrictions in our activities , but i cannot rule out that this will not happen, and it is a little difficult for me to talk about this, because everything that is happening today is in this context of these sanctions. unfortunately, this doesn't work. eh, it doesn't fit into the category of logic. e. well, i can give you an example. i was recently in rome hmm the holy patriarch me sent to the international conference, which was held by the catholic church. and so the president of france macron came to this conference, and i served for several years in france, i was exarch of western europe and our cathedral is in paris and here i am listen to the presidents of france suddenly with surprise. eh, i heard from his lips words about orthodoxy. i have not heard before that he

somehow showed a personal interest in the orthodox church. and he reads the papers , mentioned that orthodoxy is being manipulated by the political elites of russia, and here he is said? this literally ended his speech. and he already began to leave, and journalists in the hall ran up to me and said, that's why mr. macron said so. well, you know , he's still here. you come to him. ask why she said that, probably uh based her opinion on something. it was an interreligious conference. there have been respected religious leaders from all over the world saying such things. completely unfounded. yes, this is stupid, but nevertheless, he voices a certain stereotype, a certain paradigm, they voice it as a given completely incomprehensible. on what it is based it is impossible to argue with him. it's impossible to ask him. why do you think so? yes? this manipulation is taking place in ukraine today , because the ukrainian authorities are trying to make orthodoxy. eh, weapons. uh, in their hands, yes, which uh, they use their uh, for completely

selfish purposes. i do not rule out that our church, unfortunately, can simply, because it is the russian orthodox church, it can be turned on. here is a list of what the enlightened, uh, democratic european society, but it's hard to do something about it here, it's hard to argue with someone. yes, we are not given such an opportunity, so uh, it is difficult to predict something, but, of course, i do not rule it out, in addition, by the way, there is already hmm such a disturbing example, which i would also like to mention. e this for example, the situation of our churches in estonia where the metropolitan, who heads the estonian church, he is a citizen of russia, but as the head of the estonian church, he has a residence permit in estonia and has already been summoned several times. uh, relevant services of that country with the requirement that he makes certain statements of a political nature, threatening him otherwise with the annulment of the

residence permit and deciding his ability to carry out his ministry in this country. this is a wake up call. well, we were talking about your recent foreign trips in december. you were in bulgaria and i want to understand what kind of relations our church has with bulgaria now, because, for example, earlier dewald reported that in the spring of last year bulgaria carried out covert deliveries of weapons of the soviet model from the soviet era to ukraine, thereby providing up to the third need of its armed forces, and this information was confirmed by the former examples of bulgaria, the head of the ukrainian foreign ministry paid for deliveries from great britain to the united states ah, well, well, it’s clear, yes, it is necessary to separate the flies and cutlets. well, anyway. eh, what kind of relations do we have with bulgaria now what is your impression after this trip

? the leadership of the country. there are people there are residents of this country, and these are two completely different realities, but speaking of my trip. i came to bulgaria because in the center of sofia there is a wonderful russian temple russian compound, which celebrated its anniversary this year. and for this anniversary. in fact, i arrived. i officiated in this russian church together with two bulgarian hierarchs. and during this service. i went to the temple, as it should be done by ringing bells, and i was met by many parishioners who gathered for service. and here during the service. i suddenly heard already somewhere in the middle of the service some sounds of sirens buzzing. on the street, and one of the altar servers came back from the street and said that there was a picket of about 20 people who unfurled ukrainian flags , anti-russian slogans, they blocked, uh, the entrance to the temple, and. eh, here. as a matter of fact, they stand there, to be honest, they didn’t bother us much. we finished the service, and

the next item on our program was a visit to the alexander cathedral nevsky i suggested to the bishops who served with me in the clergy to come out and go to the cathedral. on foot without fear of anyone, because, well, it was impossible to drive by car, but i didn’t want these people to think that we were somehow cowardly leaving them by car. and when we left we saw only the backs of these people who were already leaving, they stood for exactly 2 hours. apparently they have some kind of billing, there was a special hourly rate. so we didn’t see them anymore, but when we were in cassocks, we walked along the streets of sofia, they approached us the locals asked where you came from. we said that we are from russia, people approached the blessing and said very kind words. in the evening of the same day, i, uh, sat at dinner at the hotel, watched tv and, uh, there were hearings in parliament. where the issue of my arrival was discussed , they talked about what special service let me through the border. and that they need to be called to account, because it means that i pose a certain threat to the security

of bulgaria, and all these people who were sitting next to them are bulgarians. they see me, they showed me on many people laughed at the tv, then they said listen, well, do not pay attention. we love you. we we love russia we are so glad that you have come, that you are not afraid of anyone here, please know that we are with you and in fact, it was very important to hear, because the next day i went to make a mistake for the first time in my life and found myself in this place i saw. uh, this temple , which was built where our compatriots, our russian people, gave their lives for the freedom and independence of bulgaria, which liberated this country. and, of course, to know that the feat of our soldiers is still stored in the people's memory. this is very important, and unfortunately, the government is obviously working out a task aimed at dividing these fraternal friendly ties that existed and church relations. after all, they are one of the very important bridges that provide this connection. i am, uh

, deeply convinced that this is the official strategy that is being carried out by the state authorities. it is clear that this is all orchestrated. yes, this is also all this is done in carbon copy, but for now, thank god , these ties are preserved at such a national human level. well, then, and so , the matter of external church relations will be formulated first by taking up the post of chairman. what foreign trips were difficult for you, where was it uncomfortable? all the trips i've taken in those eight months. they were very helpful. e definitely. uh, each of them had its own specifics, because i was in europe and us the middle east well, maybe especially i would like to mention the last trip from which i have just returned. i was in syria for the first time in my life. and, of course , it was very painful and uh, well, it's really hard to look at a country that still

uh keeps such bright and gaping wounds of war - destroyed cities lying in ruins. i have never seen such a thing. never and nowhere is the standard of living of people completely obvious in connection with this, and so we spent several days during this trip with the position of patriarch of antioch with the enterprise of the antioch church of the church of the martyr, on in fact, today christians are persecuted, unfortunately in this region and become targets of terrorists. and so we visited two cities in the suburbs of damascus, where they illuminated two churches restored with the help of the russian orthodox church. and you have no idea how touching it was to see. the city is in ruins. and you can count entire buildings on your fingers and the first thing that the locals wanted to restore when life returned, when these cities were liberated from terrorists. this

temples are such a believing people who love god who understand the role and place of faith in their lives. that's all that could be restored. in fact, some other buildings for infrastructure facilities. people. they wanted to restore the temple, which impressed me especially on the same street , a temple and a mosque are being restored for the consecration of both temples, and in one and the other case , the leaders of the local muslim communities came, and we were all together, we are all together. uh, we talked. there was no misunderstanding between us there, something else. yes i really i was so impressed by this that i still tell you about it, i get goosebumps myself , this trip made a huge impression on me. and i in many ways here are some things even for myself. maybe you have rediscovered the values ​​of those things that somehow they seem to be always there, always with you, when you see how sometimes these things acquire a different dimension in other conditions. you start thinking about

how we should appreciate what we have . thank you very much. vladyka for this interview and come visit us more often thank you alexander yatsenko save only soviet people fish others are not here yevgeny tkachuk i will be with you until the end of my life.

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