no, i can say, here it is written that the parent organization in the mechanism program. it's the same as the examination mechanism is not spelled out in the legal you have a lot of scholarships. here i will give you a simple example. that's when an example of such a simple one was created, but there are many of them, but here it was the first one to start. she is our first boat. yes, then a supervisor was appointed. anatoly petrovich alexander personal further was the designer of the boat, before the year and the designers of the reactor to charge and without here contracts full and i can't make a single decision on the movement of funds or on official decisions as a scientific adviser. and today this is a nominal thing, uh, in which the leader, as it were, taught, or in fact, well, he looks at it, as it were, or does what he is ordered to say so. those who distribute the money, therefore, we must say that the status in the soviet era. it was clearly spelled out and understood, it was very important effective. which allows you

to eliminate parallelism any time duplication and clearly personal responsibility specific people and organization for achieving the goal for the final result of the documents, everything is possible to present, there are many solutions, for example, government decree 12.88, and project activities. there it is clearly described there how what can be done there in this e, the decree of the government can be introduced in our country, a prepared document; many have already seen it; simply introduce a provision on a supervisor. this will be a document that lived to be guided by the government in these things, for example. okay, okay, okay. we the documents are ready, especially since there was already your instruction on this matter. thank you. and as for the restoration of the country's only research space, you mean replicating the experience that is now being developed in cooperation with the academy of sciences. you know, it

seems to me that, in fact, the most important thing is to exclude internal competition at this stage. and that the consolidation of the potential is about, so to speak, any breakthroughs. you know time scatters stones and time to collect. today is the time to collect pure stones. we see it well, we also see a special military operation. it actually is, but i allow myself to say to the drivers of consolidation in society in every direction , and it seems to me that the step that gennady and i, yavich, so to speak, made, is extremely important and the story of the socialization of raising the authority of the academy of science, as the main scientific organization of the country, and the formation of an absolutely correct conceptual space, which should further contribute. i would say, so to speak, the unification of the country's space into direct view and projects further on it are projects. here are two types of vip-gas-taken,

well, for example. i must say that alexander valentinovich novg and i recently discussed it. uh, the most important innovative energy project. he's ready too. there are some rough edges there. i think it will also be possible to launch it, and it should sew the entire space globally, since all types of energy, low-carbon nuclear sub-energy. uh, beyond alternative energy, there is tidal solar and stuff, it's all there is inscribed, but again, scientific guidance is needed clearly in order for everything to be coordinated correctly, balanced and launched. okay, i understand, thank you, so colleagues we have to participate. thank you. there are many participants in our today's meeting of the meeting, so if someone would like to formulate something, add to suggest, please just imagine and raise your hand or do not call yourself, please, yourself. name it and take it all.

please, alexey, yes, thank you very much, dear vladimir vladimirovich, several i'll start the theses. from the main point, of course, here is your message, one of the messages of your opening speech on updating inter's strategy is extremely important for us. uh, of course, for the last year we have been working on completely new conditions, as they say, both in form and in essence. and this is required of us. uh, who uh revisions and serious restructuring of all tools, but i want to emphasize again, uh, it should be the actualization of the strategy and the definition of priorities for scientific and technological development, in our opinion. uh, three main criteria should be in choosing these priorities, first, absolutely priority, and defense and national security. including, in the broad sense

of the word, accidental energy production security is a technological achievement. sovereignty and in terms of a sustainable m-uh stability with respect to the imposed and predicted sanctions, but the most important thing from the point of view of further development, figuratively speaking, the formula of the thirties is not only to catch up, but also to overtake our e political opponents and thirdly, to our look is one of the key tasks. this is the strengthening of personnel, potential and the creation of a new generation of young scientists who are truly inspired by problem solving. on such a nobel scale of securing them in the russian federation, the return of those guys who left, based on these three criteria , is an absolute priority for us, er, our two projects. it's both. they are launched thanks to your decisions. this is our program for the scientific development of science, technology and

scientific research in the field of atomic energy, and it has been implemented since the twenty-first year, as this program is being implemented as a national project. eh, mikhail valentinovich apparently, out of modesty, kept silent that the leading scientific organization is our project. this is the kurchatov institute, the main collaboration partner of the academy of sciences and the ministry of education. and this is a very good mechanism for consolidating the entire scientific community, aimed at solving both the internal task and the tasks of external tasks of external leadership, the second project of the same scale. this is the national center for physics and mathematics, which is also running, and in your opinion assignment of only a year and a half to this project to him its real embodiment on earth, however. first. uh, the first issue of esperants will come this year to the rosatom enterprise and other research institutes. you understand what the main problem is, of course. and in the new conditions

, the burden of implementing these projects is growing, as always. yes, here it is necessary to consolidate all human administrative resources and, of course, financial resources around them. i would like to emphasize that over the past 2 years 3/4 funds spent on the line, rtt is a means of the state corporation rosatom well , speaking sharply, anton georgievich is good. it knows. eh, everything that is connected with the development of the national center of physics and mathematics is today. well, in general, the funds are somehow directed to state corporations. rosatom, we understand that in the current difficult conditions, there will always be financial restrictions. by the way, we are grateful to the ministry of finance that we have found a number of solutions, uh, at the stages of the formation of the next budgetary three letka and for our other competencies and for these, but still believe that now both projects are entering such an important phase, the second half of the twenties

. this is the final and the presentation of the results, but of our national project. ah, ahead is the turn of seven laboratories of a laboratory of such a federal national scale. uh in uh the national center for physics and mathematics, so maybe i'll try to make some practical suggestions to find additional sources in difficult budgetary times. well, for example, we could offer to send additional federal budget revenues generated by the state corporation rosatom in e. above uh, the level of deductions for 22 years is precisely to support scientific projects, but they would ask the ministry of industry and trade, for example, to expand a new mechanism for supporting investment projects, not only for the creation. eh, new technological products, not only for its production, but also for the neo-crowd and exploratory stages of this work, emphasizing here we are talking about very comfortable e preferential e credit conditions. it would be important

to take targeted measures in the direction of young scientists, and if, according to certain directions, and scientific research, of course, under the control of the ministry of education, of course, under the control of the ministry of finance. we could talk about partial or complete liberation. e this category of bad scientists from paying personal income tax. this would be very important and, uh, an element, uh, of material and emotional support, of course, you need to think about the norms of the forty-fourth law precisely in terms of, and hmm, the use of budget subsidies to solve scientific problems. this has always been a huge problem, and in the face of sanctions pressure, this leads. sometimes just to insurmountable barriers. e, in particular. i can e demonstrate an example related to quantum topics. we are good. we follow the road map of the government. e in this part. eh, there were words that

the academy of sciences was behind this topic. it is considering, but today , of course, completely different support measures are required in quantum topics, which are not described in the legislation, if we want to achieve the desired result, then you instructed us to prepare a quantum conference together with russian railways and our other partners moscow state institutes. we 're getting ready, uh, for this event. and if you allow me, we will separately report on our proposals for the development of the quantum industry in russia. i would like to briefly sum up the following: what is needed is not only in words, but in fact , a reset of the priorities of scientific and technological development and a real concentration of efforts around them. we, for our part, are ready and corporate tools for corporate growth. uh, the directions are multiplied, but without anchors, as we say budget

we will not be able to achieve the current conditions here, but the necessary results. thank you very much for your attention. thank you for your ideas for aleksey evgenievich's proposal regarding additional funding, but if i'm not mistaken, we have a total volume, and the state programs of scientific and technological revolution for 23-25 ​​years, trillion 650 billion rubles. and this, uh, we didn't cut anything here. hmm. exactly , the volume per year is more than trillion 200 trillion 200. that's just for science and from this volume. uh, so it's envisaged, uh, more than 500. well, somewhere around 550 billion rubles on average. that's why the question of using this resource is the question, using this resource and there are colleagues. it was rightly said that

it is necessary to get exactly specific results on the site a lot. e means scientific developments. well, a lot of scientific developments. they end with nothing. we need concrete industrial. some samples of technology are needed to implement everything in production, because we have a lot. e, too, so to speak, e scientific developments are still on the shelf. you all know about it, i in fact, do not open any here, which means, well, innovations, so specific ones are needed here. uh, specific applied. uh, industrial designs of the product. that's what is needed now, because it is the specific proposals for the industry that are needed. this is e. the first consideration is the second, as always, well, then we are going to scientific. uh, you have a meeting. uh, i'm talking about the need to increase the role beyond the budget, that's how it was. here is the third one. uh, it means that two- thirds of the budget is budgeted, as we talked about this

pyramid, nothing changes, nothing changes, hence the question. eh, just before the setup. uh, means incentives incentives, like, how to say my uh, tax incentives we have, but uh, that's about it too. uh, you should probably talk all the time. the next one too. uh, maybe, uh, considerations. we need more concrete ones. uh, results in terms of control over those budgetary funding instruments that you have, if by uh, then, uh, hmm results control within. uh, according to uh, there is a certain control task, so to speak indicators, then there are no grants or purchases. therefore, control over others should also be strengthened.

so to speak, views. e means budgetary funds that are allocated to science. uh, it means that there should be results they, uh, reports on publications, especially western magazines there, but still. and that means such an e, so this is such an assessment of a publication in western journals. well now it's obvious. not already. so to speak , it is not suitable for us to analyze the effectiveness, uh, the use of costs, and one more consideration, one more position. so we have in state program of scientific and technical development 70 under programs 70. here, naturally, there everyone decides some. uh, so your question money is smeared, therefore, uh. here , too, colleagues speaking correctly said that it is necessary to concentrate on specific solutions . on important breakthroughs, this is the industry. uh, means new technologies that we

need. actually create there health care energy. here, well, 70 programs, where where does it fit? and of course, here, uh, so, uh, our appeal to state-owned corporations is that including with rosatom, i think they are there, they need to set a task so that they become leaders in this, yes, they take on appropriate, so to speak, obligations within the framework of long-term program development , a specific solution for e-technologies to ensure technological sovereignty. here's the thing about suggestions. e rosatom sergeevich spoke to release the personal income tax budget subsidy. you know, after all, to say e process solutions are proposed there. we are unlikely , of course. uh, so we'll probably agree to them, because the money is allocated. and by the way, speaking, maybe you need to know, we allocate a lot of money for the magpie, and there

a huge center is being built. these resources already exist, it may be necessary to reduce the volume of these somewhere. well, invest more money. well, probably we don’t need to tell us to propose such a solution. give me more subsidies. come on more. eh, means perks. attach a decision to manage what is here, i think, now the most important thing, here and hmm in the direction of just say resource management. now you need to set the task such, but there is a lot of resources and you correctly say that there are more than three trillion 3.600 there for three years. that's why there is money, there are resources. you just need to get the name right. here are our considerations. so everything evgenievich said about uh , the national centers of physics, mathematics, it ’s just in the old days that vector antonovich told me about this recently, when i was there , everything is really developing quite well, yes

, the questions are, how to support it? yes, this topic was discussed there. well, let's think, then i mentioned the ministry of industry and traded. yes, please, on the day yes, thank you very much vladimirovich, i deeply respect fundamental science, but here i cannot take away bread from valery nikolaevich falkov, since i am more responsible for the applied component. well, actually, what anton gelmin was saying now, that is, in our country, uh, enough is allocated per year. uh, a large amount of funds for the last few years, but in particular for the next three years. this is 36 billion rubles. this is for him, that is, we are not exactly wet, but we co-finance up to 90% under some programs.

meaning, so that then an already commercialized sample of industrial products would be obtained and brought to the market. and for this , too, there are support measures, the so-called there er, that means subsidies for a pilot batch. that's why i think that today the shniy tool , well, by the way, its enterprises, its constituent structures actively use this tool, and uh, today's structure of the relationship between fundamental applied science has developed and it seems to me that now there is no need to break anything. here is the program that i said the state boarding school program 23-25 years, yes, for the total volume called it should be financed at the time of trillion 655 billion. of these, one trillion e, 858 billion for

the development of higher education how it works yes dear vladimir vladimirovich dear colleagues, thank you. i would like to draw your attention to three circumstances. this is connected with science with higher education, but it was absolutely rightly said that the state task is a very large volume and, first of all, it is worth paying attention to this. if you look, here's how anton germach said 550 billion. approximately 200 billion of them go to science there - this is actually a task for science for a year. and uh 200. there we distribute through various competitive procedures. well, a big government task. there are hundreds of billions. there are almost 500, e.g. for higher education proper. and here is the main problem. i will not discover anything new, but i have, although i still want to say, of course, when planning scientific. by the way, they are carried out

from below. that is, we have such a model of opportunity, not a need, and therefore, of course, the task you set him to go over is not going to be easy. well, this is slowly, we are moving to go under the models as needed. what is needed, and not what we can, including changing to what is needed, but what is fundamentally important to note here. this is certainly not to be underestimated. uh, the role of everyone and the ministry, which is the founder , it is partly a qualified customer and not always. this is the ministry of science of higher education of our colleagues, the ministry of health and the ministry of industry and trade and other ministry. and of course, a big role russian academy of sciences, but it seems to me that this model needs. we, on our own , are only the federal executive bodies of the russian academy, and we are unlikely to move on here, of course, it is very important to include more active formation of the state task. the enterprise of the real sector of the economy of the company. well, or in the broadest sense , business, as it is. they just

understand. what technologies, specific services and products they need. and moreover, this applies equally to science itself, uh, which are from fundamental to applied, eh? it is strange in a very natural way and it is important, of course, to ensure this interaction. but this equally applies to personnel, something that you justly mentioned today. here, too, the state task is a large number of budget places, and in recent years, in accordance with the decisions that were made in previous years, we have been working so that the state task, the so -called enrollment target figures, is also determined taking into account specific a qualified customer in industry in the real sector of the economy, what do i mean. this is the case, for example, with the ministry of industry and trade. jointly advanced engineering schools, where we don't just provide state-funded places in these schools, but it is already known where they will go to work. and with what enterprise these schools do. here we will continue this work. and as you said, here

we need to seriously speed up, the second. and today we touched upon the issues of uh scientific expertise, literally two theses vladimirovich would also like to express his views. here today the difficult thing is that we have a landscape of scientific and scientific and technical expertise. it is represented by the russian academy of sciences, which conducts almost 33,000 examinations and employs more than 5,000 experts. at the same time, there are seven more, at least significant players. these are public private organizations, funds, support, scientific, very technical innovation activities , the same rnf that conducts. uh, hmm over 50,000 examinations with uh ex rffi. now prices and 23.000. expertise. fund, promoting innovation 15.000. expertise. they have accumulated a good experience, and in this regard , gennady is seen to be absolutely right, the key is said. uh, three fundamental points to conduct all examinations according to uniform principles, maybe even to uniform rules , go further to determine the integrating role of the russian academy of sciences,

i will hold here mikhailov valentinovich gennady yakovlevich formation and work of the expert community. this is the second such fundamentally important thesis. here work is going on. it should be completed as soon as possible. we will discuss everything with colleagues or and it's ready. mostly. this is in the plane, actually normative e of some moments. well, then law enforcement and the third literally 1 thesis anton germanovich mentioned that you know this was the reason because of them that an article in a western journal today should not be a measure of the work of a researcher. well , we are gradually in this direction. eh, great job. in my opinion, we are holding and as such i would like to say that the situation is changing, of course, uh, the focus on achieving specific meaningful results should permeate any tools and be through all the scientific laboratories that we have been opening for the last 2 years. we open

completely different tasks. not a scientific article, but already well, let's say, if we are talking about mm, but medicine, then this is a prototype and drugs for the treatment of relevant diseases are prototypes, but some certain vaccines, if we are talking about agriculture, then these are new varieties, hybrids and breeding products with given economically useful properties. that is, in this case, i want to say that this work also needs to be intensified and in the very near future, and from state assignments to e. these are the competitive tools that we use to fully achieve concrete meaningful results. we are ready to do this work and will do it together with our colleagues in the near future. thank you very much for the opportunity to speak. ugh thanks. i have already mentioned that the possibility of e. of the russian science foundation, we have expanded there true actions, certain conditions and requirements for companies that would work

together with the background in a certain direction in this regard. i have a question from alexander viktorovich, some kind of practice is developing. good afternoon vladimir vladimirovich indeed after the adoption of legislative amendments. it divides the fund with additional powers to finance applied research and industrial technology. we have formed the entire regulatory framework. this e took local action on the criteria for evaluating projects of this kind took e, local action on the organization. ah, expertise. a scientific and technological council has been formed, it even held a meeting, and also e criteria were adopted for experts. e hmm , a platform has been opened, and according to the expertise, which has already

gained more than 250 experts in the electronic component base. e experts. these are not scientists, but those people who have positive experience in the development of industrial technologies actually exist. there is a willingness to start and now we are collecting from industrial companies that work in the field of electronic component base, but collecting topics. uh, what technological processes do they necessary? i think that within a month we will finish this work and are ready. if the government is interested, we will start selecting projects of this kind. eh, that's why the direction is about the same job. uh, it is supposed to develop within two or three months in the field of agriculture in the field of medicine, and in those other areas that are determined by the legislation for the function of the russian scientific fund, but i

would also like to take the opportunity to say that such a thing, uh, from the ideology of our discussion, and at the end of december it was the centenary of bass nikolaevna and who, uh, now everything is abusive that he published a journal article, especially in an american magazine, but really at 42 he became our nobel laureate, but not together with the prokhor. uh, this maser lasers publication was in a foreign magazine, but it's not his fault that the first industrial lasers were on metal cutting. and lasers, uh, which are used in medicine. they still went. but no, in our country not in the soviet union and not even in russian federation, but we are now, and those users of all these laser technologies in almost everyday activities. and i would very much like that the decisions that are supposed to be taken today do not become a barrier to

such revolutionary decisions that really determine the development of both industry and our entire life, the quality of human life. uh, well, that's the struggle for the fact that within a year some industrial product should be achieved, and it should come out, but on the shelf uh hmm stores or uh specific enterprises, after all, science is not such a bath and laundry workshop, but it should be guided by the needs of society, but this process is still longer and should be combined with the needs of specific industrial enterprises that have specific plans for the development of these technologies. thank you very much, vladimir vladimirovich yes, it means, don't worry, we will not turn research activities into the work of a bath and laundry plant with us and the level

of significance. uh, the value of our fundamental research. eh, in general. eh, it will be will be separated from the constant attention of the state. we are well aware that this is the base on which applied science grows , and, probably, only the state can give it the appropriate attention, and we are not going to hide, as i have said many times, close in on ourselves. uh, just uh, the main criteria, as many colleagues believe , including those from the scientific community. as far as i know, they can't be just only publishing somewhere happens to be foreign scientific journals. but the real research deep, important for science, of course, will find their way anywhere, including in this literature. this is a completely obvious thing, but it's just the needs of today, as it were. uh, necessity, uh

, own developments that hmm are in demand right now. tomorrow, the day after tomorrow it's obvious. it's clear. i think that it is clear to everyone but on but in order to ensure technological independence, but fundamental research. we are certainly not going to do basic research. nobody's going to shut down, either send them. uh, how to leave them in second place is not at all, and this will not happen at all, but here's what was proposed by colleagues from the point of view of optimizing work from the point of view. e, making policy decisions and identifying priorities. this is very important and fundamental. it is important for us not to miss the mark in natural and natural research, because if we are talking about the need to concentrate resources in the most important areas, then the scientific community determines these important ones.