hello in the studio ekaterina gracheva, this is our weekly interview on the russia 24 channel, the church program, and we, where we communicate with representatives of the russian orthodox church about the current news that has happened in russia in the world over the past weeks. today.

bogdan vladimirovich, deputy chairman of the department of the russian orthodox church for relations between the church and society and the media , is my guest , vakhtang boils. the history of ukraine from an illegally built temple, we are talking about a building. as i understand it , the tithe monastery of the ukrainian orthodox church. tell us what this is. hmm, what is the story with illegal construction and do i understand correctly that, in general, now some other legislative norms are being tightened by the ears in order to have a justification. well, to expel, as it were , the canonical church of the places occupied for a long time, or i misunderstand myself. quite right. you understand it. well, uh, behind these words about making room, there is a very simple truth, so to speak. or a lie, uh, which is that the ukrainian orthodox church. you will have to demolish your temple building, a temple building located in a symbolic place for all

orthodox believers together in kiev , this place where, as there is a legend, which is confirmed by historical facts, there used to be the first stone church in russia and this is a very important place. and in fact, many out there would like to. the schismatics succeeded in building the temple, including the schismatics, but now, under purely conditions that the ukrainian authorities are carrying out. they decided to demolish the temple building. uh, canonical and ukrainian church. here, some in the telegram channels are already joking about the fact that the new head of the poet’s bureau in politics in ukraine , some lena ones say that everything is fine with us, as the bolshevik time does not demolish churches, but churches, as it turns out, are demolished and demolishes, of course, the temples of the wrong church, which is not a simple offshoot of the ukrainian political

establishment. and this history of russia, which is equally valuable for a person, wherever he was, lived in moscow, kiev, minsk, anywhere on space that is connected to our goal. here and on this place, where there was one of the first temples, the prayers of the canonical church were performed. now, when the temple is supposed to be demolished, these prayers will not be performed. this is important to us. and in fact, this action by the ukrainian authorities, er, is just one in a series of completely illegal attempts to infringe on the rights of the ukrainian orthodox church. uh you know that's the same week uh hmm cleansing. yes, in this i wanted to say quite right, another package of some completely repressive measures, deprivations ukrainian citizens ukrainians. if you like, who never were, i don’t know

, national traitors or some kind of agents, they were simply clerics and bishops to the ukrainian orthodox church. so they became enemies, the peoples are depriving them. uh, citizenship just because they belong to an organization that's a religious organization that the political establishment found undesirable. even so, they have a different nationality. no, that is, they seem to become powerless, being on the territory of ukraine with a status. whom refugees are people of church people without a certain place, residence of another citizenship, most likely not, but that 's not the point. the fact is that, as if even having, even if they have some other citizenship. these are ukrainians. these are people whose whole life is connected with ukraine, with the ukrainian people, with ukrainian pasta, with the traditions of the ukrainian orthodox church. it's even worse than in the baltics

in the baltics when, er, was carried out with this company, when part of the russian population, more than a part, not all were named not citizens, then, at least, they were, as it were, ethnic, well, let's say different than latvians, for example, yes or estonians, right? some other local peoples, which means with such zeal, took up the formation of national statehood. uh, it was illegal, but it was like at least some sort of e, you know, some kind of your own, albeit vicious, but the logic, but in relation to the ukrainian bishops, there is not even this vicious logic. it's just nonsense. this is chaos. this. well, something in the spirit. i do not know the class struggle, or something, some kind of nonsense, at least, even from the point of view that hmm , to deprive priests of citizenship because they received congratulatory telegrams or letters from the patriarch, but with a stroke of

the president's pen, who performed on russian stages. there, it means that kvn theater sites and so on earned money here. well , yes, at least, as if strange, but still all this is a question. well, somehow that's what fate is, then these people, that is, it turns out you alone. for they were abandoned, while others, for some other geopolitical reasons, do not want to accept them, which means, well, not lift too much, something like this looks like. no. well, of course, i think that our state, yes, and our church, of course , if people decide to move to russia and save their lives, then i think that, of course, no one will leave them to other news from estonia this week, the organizers sent immortal regiment. in principle, at first its own, europe as a whole took a very, as it were,

consolidated position. there are, of course, exceptions to serbia, or switzerland has recently become aware that it has recognized it as illegal, and the confiscation of frozen russian assets, but generally speaking, politics in the european union now, that is , the european union is equally present and whether it reminds you, but in places or in general, uh, this is a week to draw an analogy with war communism, there and the ussr there of the thirties of the last century. if something is common, because more and more often compares the european union from in my opinion. there are historical parallels it seems to me that they are quite applicable. now the european union is largely moving along the path that there is only one correct point of view, this is the one that is occupied by the bureaucracy of the european union itself and e in the public space in the media. i have to talk about this very often, because

here are all the journalists that i met, for example, um, arriving at the assembly in siminus from churches. uh, in germany, all the journalists approached me with the same ideological slogans, you know? that is , it is simple, as if something was put into their heads, and now they have to work it out. here is the slogan. why the church has blessed means fratricidal war or something like that. uh, for some reason they pray there in the church, i don’t know for anything, except for the world, for which there is really a sea in the church. answer a question today. why did the church bless the kindness of the murderous war? i'm answering uh, this question. in fact , this question is very simply asked with one goal and purpose - it is very simple those who set the media agenda. all they want from our church is that it becomes a political opposition, that it starts e

processes that would lead to a revolution , a civil war, and hmm an illegal change of power and other delights that hmm parts and our european ones. so to speak, partners , or as they call them now, they seem. apparently very desirable, but the church. she always takes a moral position. the moral position is, including in the feeding of our military personnel, we know that a person who serves in the army does his duty , risks his life. he not only deserves, he has the right to spiritual help from the outside. churches and the church, by the way, not only our russian church, but also other traditional religions, this assistance to our soldiers is helping them go through the most difficult field of military service. this is precisely what irritates western

journalists, politicians and public figures. how many prayers in general are said in temples. the word victory appears in the russian orthodox church, you know, er, those prayers that are now read in the russian orthodox church. for every worship. they are by their nature called prayers for peace, because the church always prays for peace. by the way, she prays for peace, not only in times of war, but also in peace times, because we understand very well that the state of hmm war. unfortunately. this is a constant threat that exists in front of humanity. victory if we now take a thermometer, which is usually read was read in the temples before the beginning of its. you understand, yes, what i'm talking about, and you know, we have been removed from the ministry, we have uh, prayer victory over the resisting gifts, but uh,

the interpretation of this prayer. it does not have such an applied value of resistance. these are those who oppose us, and it is not only about the army of the enemy is, for example, the enemy of the human race, that is, the one who is always the devil, who opposes man, i.e. in his life path, which, in general, is trying to push people to sow discord in the war of suffering. is it true that priest ivan koval was removed from serving the patriarchs only because he replaced the word victory with the word peace only in his prayer? this is probably not the best wording here, because i can absolutely say with responsibility that if with us , every priest will redo the prayer under their own expectations of some sort, do not know hmm state some political

preferences, then the question is rather the only church. uh, let's say get very aggravated in the church. uh, it is supposed that the priest, but must perform those prayers that hmm blessed him to do, these prayers are to be done by the hierarchy, those prayers that either e, i don’t know for centuries have been present in eh, liturgical eh, hmm texts. and i think it's a responsibility that every priest takes on. she hmm is such that she cannot change without permission prayers. this applies not only to prayers in context. so to speak, in our modern time there is a war or some other suffering, this applies to all prayers. do you understand? can't you ? is that how you read a book? you can’t just remake paragraphs and pieces there and read as you like. this is already the

book. read this prayer was the patriarch. listen, well, there are no prayers, such a separate author, they are always formed, if you want this cathedral mind, this cathedral mind. maybe there are several people there. maybe, here is the entire local cathedral. if you want, it's not scriptures. and these people are not even canonized. they are usually people, even though they are archaic, you know, there , if a person believes that he can only accept those prayers that are written by canonized people, there is, perhaps, the father and fuck off also adhered to this point of view, then this is what it's an extreme form of pride. i still think that, to be honest, this could be answered. e. in short, and then i would have understood it, that is, this is a disciplinary action. well, as it were, uh, the internal routine, like any organization has. uh , labor legislation. and there is, uh, the work schedule, uh, of some company, in this case the russian orthodox church, the same organization.

this is not entirely true, after all, the church is not the kind of organization that lives for some reason exclusively. uh, regulatory technical standards. i don't know the rules of labor. every priest. still, he answers not only to some disciplinary commissions, but to his own conscience. and i i believe that the deliberate distortion of prayers under any pretext. this is still a misdemeanor, primarily against one's conscience. i want to read one of the statues. we endlessly curse comrade stalin and, of course, for the cause, i still want to ask who wrote the 4 million denunciation. well known, commonplace quote, yes. i, as far as i understood, and this priest was also reported to the parishioners, which means they compared the text, after all, he had been reading this for more than one month, it didn’t even immediately become clear. here we have such a phenomenon in the church sphere and in the secular as denunciations. and i

get news about it every day. well, for example, a man was driving there in a compartment with another man, and there they talked or drank, argued, got off at the station one against the other, wrote a denunciation about what he means, it’s disrespectfully expressed, but the husband wrote a denunciation about his wife about the army of the russian federation. the fact that she was photographed there with a child somewhere in sochi at an event, or a party, as it seemed to him, reminiscent of lgbt propaganda. and that is, such internal human trials outgrow in writing? to law enforcement agencies yes nosov this trend does not frighten you. you know me. hmm. i think this is more of a concern.

uh, some kind of stupidity of some people who do not understand , uh, the difference between the threat of committing a crime am and some idle gossip discussions, i don’t know , kitchen conversations, everyone else you know, for example, there is a person who finds out that some kind of - then the crime, for example, the murder of the year came cars. basically, on the basis of leisure, they freak out in the kitchen. yes. here, look. it seems to me that a person should have some sort of sober understanding of reality. if he finds out that a crime is being prepared, for example, if you find out that someone is preparing a diversion, yes, blowing up a train. for example, of course, you must report this denunciation. in ninety -nine percent of cases, this, of course, is drunken nonsense. here's how to respond to drunken delirium. well, you should probably sober up.

so i think that this is a very correct approach to the situation when, following the results of a trip in a coupe there are communications with law enforcement agencies even from the news, russian publishers, bypassing the sanctions, will release western bestsellers of the book, that is, and in the form of a retelling by samra, so to speak, how do you feel about this recently, it means that our cinemas were rolled out without the permission of the copyright holders of the film avatar, that is , we kind of criticize the west, we say that we are better than anything in yours. there is no need and we will bear children for you, our women will not do it either. uh, it means that they grow here, but we will still make money from your films will work. it is very strange. well, catherine , if you allow, after all, between you. you are them children for foreigners and watching a movie. in my opinion, there is a certain distance, that is, uh, in the first case, we are talking about the humiliation

of the dignity of women. i am convinced of this, and in the second case, well, of course, this is not theft. the second is not steal someone has put in serious effort over many years to release an audiovisual product that has an author, the copyright holder, he has the right to royalty of his product and someone earns on it without his permission. this is not steal e, you know, well, if, perhaps, a formal approach, then, of course, certain questions arise here. but to be honest, i'm here more than just one other. it seems to me that we are long overdue. hmm , so to speak, to learn how to create our own high-quality film product. this is not an open secret. we all know very well that soviet cinema was at one time more than competitive and , of course, it was watched twice in the same river, you can’t enter, but

it seems to me that we have many creative people directors scriptwriters artists who are able to create a product no worse than avatar you have to believe in it you have to believe in your compatriots, talented compatriots create serials. and we have very few series. well, for example, on a church or religious theme. here the real monastery was created. here the other day, by the way, the ministry of culture won a lawsuit against yandex there, although the fine was some kind of symbolic. and for the fact that yandex showed this series without a rental certificate, because it was a rental certificate. uh, the monastery was denied, right? and here people sit they just think in this direction, or the producers are ready to invest in projects and look after the law enforcement practice of thinking. why do i need it? for what? will i go there? uh, 100% church, they won't like my script, but they'll see it. there, insulting the feelings of believers, i will lay out the money. i'm

going to put this whole thing together. and well, no matter how we give, and plus we also adopted a law banning lgpt propaganda for this, you must agree with me. if you want, you can pull up a lot of things? yes, well, i can still want to disagree with you, because the church actually welcomes cinema very much, but in which a religious question is raised, including not being put like there in some deep way. here you probably watched or heard about the film not a novice in the film a novice - that's all. some kind of dull picture there, i don't know, and which absolutely evokes a feeling of acid in the mouth or something like that. this is a dynamic bright provocative film, however , it does not violate any feelings of believers, and moreover, we officially supported it, uh

he went to the rental collected a good box office. and in my opinion. from an artistic point of view , it is much more attractive than the film the monastery, where everything is around, so to speak, themes, nudity and other things, this is censorship, because the viewer. well, for example, many of the monastery liked it. now i am not saying that i liked it or someone else, but i admit that people may like it, and they have the right to watch it, because they are not watching on the federal channel. they watch it on the platform there by subscription for own money. listen, well, look. here i have a familiar father. i'm just copying it here, i won't break it. these, however, do not cry, nevertheless. he loves to talk all the time. in my opinion, wise phrases. and we have the most visited sites. it's about porn sites. let's conclude from this that people like it and will continue to support these developments, so god bless him with pornography. i started with her. and not

just because i started with books. just 5 minutes ago we were talking about what is in the song you can’t throw out words, and in prayer, too, to replace them, what will this lead to? suppose the author of a book finds out there that this book was published in russia, yes, even in retelling. yes, even in the form of some means, as this is a summary of war and peace well, is this not nonsense, well, to be honest, i see no reason to publish books in retelling. here is the news russian publishers will release your opinion about it. what is the opinion that any book in retelling is another work. this is not a work of authorship, of course, books to read a retelling means not to read them, so i can’t seem to say something reasonable to explain this approach in russia

, they passed a law regulating the use of foreign languages. so, they are permissible to use them with the exception of having no common consumer analogues in the russian language, but i can say this. for example, the word designer already has no analogues, because in russian there is a designer and and, then projects are also not quite a russian word, designer or designer also means the origin of the word. how many words uh which you use e daily in your speech, for which you will now need to look for a replacement. and you know, i generally agree with you and agree with this wording that was given, which consists in the fact that e is protected only by those words which have analogues, that is, simply replace russian words. uh, foreign

counterparts. it means, well, in my opinion spoiling your speech. this is a well-known joke, in my opinion, as far back as the 19th century, no one suggests calling a galoshin stupid. yes, well, no one offers this, but here are a lot of others some examples where just foreign words. they just replace the russians, there is no point in this, because otherwise we will wake up one fine morning and just stop. speaking my native russian is not, i understand stimulation in a different way. well, for example, a screenwriter or producer who goes out there to pitch the ministry of culture. the cinema fund, uh, is offered $ 50 million more if there are no borrowed words. i understand, i understand the tool with which you can do it. well, that's all, like this in that form, in which is. to be honest with the denial of the air. to whom will you ban bloggers, will you

fine them, what will happen? er, well, you're right. uh, if we define the language rule, the rules for the use of the language are still defined. here, about the cultural space, you need to at least support those projects in this space that are made in good literary russian. this will be the norm, from which, of course, there will be deviations of any blogger who may not have read a single book. i hope there are few or no you will force him to speak russian if he does not know russian, but uh, if there is a request from the audience, and the audience, it is formed there, starting from kindergarten. yes , in kindergarten there as a child. children watch cartoons. yes, cartoons should also be made in some language. they can be made in a terrible mixture of multizakovic can be made in the native language. uh, and in the end it means that from children's books, cartoons, to

classical literature, a person grows up who speaks his native language, and he will not watch e blogger who commits and does not know the mockery of his native language. well, just stupidly cool word for bloggers. it seems to me that memes can be born from this. many thanks to you vladimirovich for coming to our studio to come to us more often with pleasure. thank you. this is a revolution of big models, which in fact are already turning over all social relations right now before our eyes. this happens lung algorithm has been

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