which took place in 1918. this is the first uh, petliura's attempt is drawn. eh, in constantinople it was fortunate that there was a patriarch ; and so, if we are talking about gaining independence and attempts at self-identification, then e is in the first place. this is the state for the public task of everything church on the second ukraine panacea - it has always been the first schism, which was born there in 1921, and there was oskol, which the people called self-sacred, there was not a single one bishop who would have gone to the initiator of the creation out of the blue, and in the tekefal church of ukraine a with the liturgical language ukrainian and with some other features found with a priest a group of priests they had that's what they

decided, well, we know according to canonical rules, one bishop is ordained by several bishops. this comes from the time of the holy apostles. this is an inevitable but rather a rule and a sign of one's own true church. apostolic succession is no bishop. how would, well, then what will we do collectively ordination. so the goalkeeper is priests, and kneeling down, and the candidate for bishops was called vasily levkovsky. yes, in ukrainian, the lepkin priests lay hands on him together, without deacons having the right to do so. uh, it means that the shoulders of the priests are the last deacon, who is in the royal gates, that means from the altar. uh, sticking out there, it means the laymen, men and women, that is, they decided. this is such a period, this is the twenty-first year and one of the splits. e, which e. well, in general, somehow still smoldering, it has continuity from this community. e. this is the ukrainian

autocephalous orthodox church, which died there twice, was revived three times, and which was accepted into that splinter in which, apparently, you began to speak of the orthodox church of ukraine with the words splitting ukraine for 100 years. well, yes, yes, if we take the beginning of the slipkovsky split, there was not only him there, there was also buldovshchina or lipkovshchina, but the features of the gems are interesting. there it was possible to ordain in a married state, as a lepkovsky and such a bishop as a dowager. it was possible to marry a second time, that is the benefits are the widest, but nevertheless , he did not enjoy great popularity. and another amazing moment. why? are we talking about context? why ukrainization soviet ukrainization is going on everywhere, the most fertile time, and then it ended; the party’s policy changed in the thirtieth year, this church announces the very dissolution, and in history there are cases without precedent, for some

denomination that considers itself a goal to announce that, well , as it is a union of protection, yes, foreign cats or a society of fish lovers. all right, we completed the mission. here they had one. it is in our mission in ukraine that we are disbanding ourselves. it can be imagined with today's schismatics that they can go down at some point , it is unlikely that they are gaining strength, but if we are talking about episcopating, we have already touched on this topic, then the surest sign, and the canonicity of the church without a bishop churches. no, this is right now. you are now talking about this, but in the context of the church, and if we nevertheless turn to the secular context, what i am talking about, why do church schisms occur on serious, as it were, political shifts in history? i don’t even know the ukrainian lands

whether it would be correct to look for the ukrainian state, given that we are talking about the thirties of the last century. why is this happening? why does the church become? well , such an effective tool in the hands of politicians is what we are now seeing, well then, in the early twenties it is clear. it's just that these lovers of hmm mov worship of some kind of national saba identification. they rather took advantage of the situation, uh, that has developed in the state. yes, they crashed all attempts, but statehood is still 21 years old. soviet ukraine is a policy of ukrainization, and it was they who got into the ranks very cool. and plus, the desire of the state, then, so to speak, hostile, towards the church and the soviet state, the desire to split the church. here is one of the varieties, please, what role did

the constantinople, and the patriarch, patriarchy, play then, because when did the recent split in ukraine even those who are far from the orthodox church. uh, everyone knew who straight became a well-known figure, almost like ursola fonda, but then in the thirties of the xx century. what position did constantinople take? well, of course, more cautiously, but, firstly, there were internal problems. there was the collapse of the ottoman empire; there was a widow, and the patriarchal throne was instead a guardian. and only somewhere, probably, from the age of 23 , constantinople again enters the international inter-orthodox arena. and at this time, the russian church cannot act there for obvious reasons, due to persecution, and so, in relation to these specific self-consecrated ones,

and the ukrainian raskolnikov they, of course, do not go to contact here in the eighteenth year. we said they evaded petlyura a's proposal at 21. but it's too much for them, uh, such a bright split. yes, but they understood that this is absolutely without a gracious community, but, but they evaded, and between the canonical church of the patriarch. quiet. she yes who was in custody. whom, uh, the renovationist false council condemned between the renovationists and exchanged telegrams there and offered patriarch tikhon a, so to speak, to retire, for the sake of the peace of the church this is quite a long time, but it continued, but so far it has been clear and firm. yes, patriarch sergius a was not elected at first in the forty-fifth year of the patriarch, alexei was already a representative of the patriarchate of constantine at the local council, where they elected, that is, everything, as if this unity was restored. and so the period is very

dull. here, uh, almost all the twenties , all the thirties and early forties. well, let's turn to today. what is your forecast of what will happen next with the orthodox church and the church in ukraine orthodox generally mean the patient. well, i don’t agree here, because for me there is one orthodox church in ukraine. uh, the canonical church that's in a state of persecution. there is no point in talking about some kind of pressure. and i, too , will deviate a little, maybe a little, from this topic in our conversation. and i would like to note something here. and what about the state of persecution, which is complex and is carried out according to bolshevik patterns. i don't know where these manuals were written. well, classic the state contributes, and perhaps even initiates the creation of an alternative church.

this is the first schism of the filaret schism, and the scholar of the former metropolitan of kiev filaret denisenko with the filing. kravchuk wedges, on the map, who needed his own church in ukraine, filaret had his own reasons to follow this path. here is the first split for you, please, but for some time it still remained there along the river. yes, it was stated. uh, there were more peaceful times, of course, what is this diversity? well , people want so on one broadcast program easter service from the vladimir cathedral with a philaret on the other and from the trinity church, where now i will kiss. uh, let’s say his beatitude metropolitan vladimir sabon , now deceased, serves there. well, here we have such a picture, we have the west we have the east liked to talk about it, the picture is changing dramatically and in general the course is

to put an end to the orthodox church. that is why for me there are not many orthodox churches, because the current primate is epiphanius. uh, on dumenko sergey dumenko i looked who ordained him there is not a single one canonically ordained bishop, all ordained in schism. and when filaret was already anafimatism for the year 2000. there are bright personalities, what will happen next in ukraine will be next, well, the canonical orthodox church with all the temples that are still, and in prayers. e. well, i think that the persecution, of course, will increase, the persecution will increase, and again in a complex way, they will increase, they will squeeze churches out on the ground, and they will use the administrative resource. and so, well, the most disturbing thing happened the economic court of the city of kiev decided to dismantle, and the tithe monastery. this temple is over twenty years old.

there is a community there, and which stands in a very historical place next to the excavations on the site of the first stone church built by prince vladimir. to the side, yes, that is, he is a prayerful successor. and these are eras. and what is this elephant temple demolition. here, there are pretexts, but just like in soviet times, something was not completed there, and so on. well, in a favorable situation , there was no quickness, of course, but now there is this demolition, as in soviet times prevent traffic from being demolished, but it doesn’t interfere . well, here they will be completely demolished. here under such a pretext. i think that will increase, then see the decision of the citizenship of five bishops of the canonical ukrainian orthodox church, that they are planning a philosophical exchange steamboat. uh, on prisoners of war vsushnikov

there or some of the nationalists. uh, nazis, i don't know and hangs when the sword is legal. about a complete ban on the ukrainian orthodox church, but here even the bolsheviks did not think of it before, they never told the press that they were going to cancel it there. uh, or completely destroy the question arises. do you believe the possibility of an orthodox maidan in ukraine that it will be initiated by the parishioners of the canonical church? yes, i certainly believe that orthodoxy will be preserved, that it will be preserved, well, in a variety of forms, from secret confession there to strong status for faith. as for some public speaking. well, well , the orthodox can only well , use some non-violent methods of protest, that's because, well, some kind of

broad protest movement. i think it's impossible that on the eve of all the events that we started a year ago was already. the grandiose prayer standing i watched live . eh, the mass of orthodox support precisely the canonical church. everything is understood in easter hymns led by the clergy. ah, that's all. it was perhaps, and now the mouth for that instantly , because again, let's take an analogy, the eighteenth year of the religious processions are going on, uh, which are met by machine-gun or rifle fire, the real executions were these were religious processions of protest, of course. there was also a subtext here. and after the issuance of the decree on the separation of church and state, people protest against the attack on rights, and none of them think that they will be shot at right now, that this is generally possible in russia, but this is also a bolshevik principle. by the way , they can use it too. ah, impossible.

you know, and remember, like lenin in the twenty- second year. we should shoot so many of these people out there. hundreds of clergy fists there and so on the usual front, so that they remember it for a decade , such an option is possible, and i don’t think it’s worth waiting for just such performances. and when, uh, it all began to revolve around the church schism, at some point , it seems to me, uh, something called fatig came, that is, just tiredness set on edge from how means even people who do not understand there's nothing in it the patriarchate of constantinople, the patriarch of moscow of all russia in ukraine is economic, so the representative of the church is not canonical, you won’t understand anything there, huh? the circumstances that have developed in ukraine now, searches will not lead to these persecutions of priests. this is to the fact that, in principle,

such fatig moods will grow from not watching all these church strife and people will simply pray at home or, i don’t know, go somewhere to fortunetellers. well, the fortune teller people go to the temple to escape from the war or from the news of war, yes, pour out their souls, if they observe the war in the church space, they may simply not want to go there already. there is someone to go there, of course, there, this ancient gloomy tradition is such a very uh, gloomy shadow , a gloomy double of the ukrainian mentality, this is the ability and desire, alas, to turn to various kinds of cult means. early, here and in a crisis, such a simple lady, uh,

women on podil are all witches - that's all. uh, of course, uh, it's curious and once it was all amused and fun, but we saw wood's dolls dressed in the form of dead russian soldiers. this important this is from this form this is important. yes? this part can be here. yes here is, who in this understands quite itself manipulate. well , a long tradition, well, often the question. uh, let's just say a local priest in ukraine in some areas, especially uh, did he conjure there or not. yes it seems wild, but it is relevant. she used to conjure often, because she would practically confirm her questions to the priest, and those who accept these confessions are, as it were, perfect. i just wanted this is such a father and so it came out and got mine there. eh, lord, forgive me

a sinner and so on. well, it's not just that, the smaller the field of action of the true church, then it's not only u, fortune-tellers, it's not only pagan bonfires, they are dusting brighter here. here's what can happen. here i remember in kiev on the porch of the vladimir cathedral. i was there, even though it was captured. uh, there are relics of the schismatic filatovites, or who else is called the holy martyr macarius, the metropolitan of kiev for this, you can go, but you can’t go to any temples for the sake of the shrine i leave the wife obviously, apparently they are from the province. they go to temples here. uh, they lit a candle, and it's like a little more ecclesiastical. we already explains. here is the entire ukrainian church. now , if at this e level people will argue, after all, what is the matter of all the noise and political e, of course, various kinds will pass, the church will definitely withstand the storm.

although he may suffer damage in his children in his abode there, who will take away, uh, and further, but nonetheless. it may happen that people will walk with a bucket an empty well, but this is a conditional harpina, which explains that it is ukrainian for her, that's the whole difference in this, but it will go. is she there to blame her daughter or, uh, take communion to confess? and to whom i looked with pain in my heart, i watched how e triumphs hmm sergei, who is called dumenko’s epiphany and admitted to the churches where the orthodox served , until recently the orthodox said goodbye to the churches, uh, the upper kiev-pechersk lavra, well, the choirs are richly filled with expensive , well, the hundredth of the voice was russian, the singing is beautiful people like priests. so they are curious. you know their patterns, like on

embroidered shirts on liturgical vestments and hairstyles, similar to the cossacks. but it is not important to ask the question, who are all these people? what are their powers, what kind of driver is this? he has rights or he just rides and is already really in the minds of many. here, but this is not normal. not normal here is a compulsion in the category of normal, abnormal, we are now talking about what kind of forecast you have, we can have two scenarios, let's say hard and soft, and which choose and the authorities of ukraine political research. how to proceed? with canonical orthodox priests, what will be the tough scenario in your opinion, and which one? the lesser of two evils here is very difficult to predict something, because, well, first of all, i 'm not sure if it's some hmm analytics. here the action of the ukrainian authorities will work, because they are planning it. here is the question. what are

they or are planning this religious policy, because it has changed so dramatically. well, let's hope. yeah well, i don't know, these are the people which, uh, again, i repeat, for so many years. everyone has already remained faithful to the church, made informed choices. i do n't think it's easy to deal with them. why does constantinople need a split, and they need a split for the most in our orthodox brothers for self-affirmation and for e-assertion in the theory that they have been developing since the 20s that the e patriarch of constantinople is not, only the first honor, as it is accepted. yes? something like papa ree. yes, this is an orthodox pope. here, apparently, similar to like that, he is directly attracted to the vatican, so he is always there, and in this sense there is another project in fact, uh, which

comes from a certain. ah she already not third far force. these are ukrainian greek catholics. the so-called uniates, and which are, so to speak, under the pope of rome, are part of the catholic church in rome, but very, very peculiar and since the twenties and thirties . the head of the unian church, hatched ambitious plans. union's advance to the east. well, chekan, of course, supported all this here. well, sheptytsky did not happen there, but plans are being implemented by the organization of the patriarchate, which will unite all ukrainian christians in common , not where greek catholics and orthodox should somehow get along under a single head of the ukrainian patriarch, here is a cathedral, they built something that has never happened in history in kiev, e, the uniates were very much represented before

revolution. and this, i think, is quite scary. and alas, quite real, but a forecast. uh, i don’t want it to really come true somehow, but who can support on the lantern if they have such phila catholic moods, uh, all the time talking about the time to reunite. well, here it just might be an experimental testing ground for this connection. alexey mister, what do you think, as a professor of the next department, and, uh, the adoption of the law of the state duma they allow the use of foreign words, with the exception of those that have no common consumer analogues in the russian language. is such things possible? conduct here in such an artificial way to regulate. it is possible to somehow perceive it really. you know, it's just not a question of philology, not a question of the law of creativity. this such a question of our alien rage. here we

heard something and somehow harassment. maybe it's easier to tell. for a long time i could not understand what it was about when i understood. in general, some very simple things, explainable by simple ones. this is, as vakhtanka said in the shedze, in past programs we will not reach the point of calling the galosh a macropod, which develop exclusively at the expense of internal resources. we have our language, it did not go, so the path. yes, this is an old argument. uh, that means archaists and society, arzamas well, it all happened to go back, but to pushkin's times. i don't think it's necessary to be some kind of deliberate zealots of the language here just behind themselves behind their speech. yes, somehow you speak there in the language of the gateways or some kind of uh, silicone lady from tik tok, well, just don’t stoop to that and try to keep your speech on

the level. eh, norms, the russian literary language, even though i’m in danger here, but i don’t see it. there's just so much behind it. this is vulgar imitation. yes, when we took, and in the era, and the turning point of the seventeenth eighteenth century. it's not just peter his predecessors, in general, all novels. in fact, starting with mikhail, they looked towards the west, uh, technological innovations, uh military, but achievements. the state needed the fleet, everyone understood this, but people, uh, who uh, are in lower ranks, they looked at uh of all kinds. uh, moments of comfort with trinket fun, so we have it running in parallel. so i think that these are linguistic trinkets that would be, but we clean up, we ape, i don’t

think it’s been so dangerous for a long time. it's already at us just happening. yes, someone had new guns. uh, fast sick people. i don't know what they could be then. eh, someone needed a fleet, and someone needed a mirror, but it was not customary in ancient russia to look at oneself in a mirror. here. i think that this is the order of the moment. that's for borrowing some big words. sometimes you know, just as he doesn’t fully understand, it means they use it to the fullest, because somewhere he heard, by the way, a question to the media. how careful are they in this regard? avoid foreign words when possible how to replace olivier i don't know thank you very much alexey konstantin for what came to us in the studio? thank you very much.

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