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hello, in the studio of ekaterina grachev, this is our church program and we are on the russia 24 channel, the main news, the current agenda. we are discussing with representatives of the church. today at my guest is the rector of the st. tikhvin church in the city of lisichansk , archpriest andrei pavlenko, father, now lives in russia. andrey hello. i'm glad to see you in the studio again. we talked with you not so long ago after your release from ukrainian captivity. where did you spend, 8 months, it seems, right? and now in russia 3 months. i know that your mother is already mother here on the territory of russia . tell us 3 months in russia how do you think

the russians. ah, right to the end understand the goals of yours, what is your impression already talk a lot. there is feedback from two-way. i want to say that yes , indeed, in more than half of us, i learned in more than half i understand why a special operation is needed and every day. uh, people are more and more responsible for the special operation of drinking, not only here. every week i go to my place in the donbass, in particular the luhansk region , i entered the monetary cargoes of both our military and civilians, and all this is collected by our ordinary citizens of the russian federation in different regions of different regions people of different social circles of different status. and most importantly , give them hope. the main thing is to tell them to show. what is happening in the areas of the special military operation to highlight, even

our television that everything is true all the moments. and people, as it were, are awakening more, responding more and more to help, there are, of course, people who misunderstand the whole purpose and task of our military special operation, but i think that the lord will enlighten us and we must do everything for this, so that we are all united front moved to our victory and you surely follow the fate of those who were with you in captivity, roughly speaking for your cellmates. i remember they said another one was a priest, and then he did not get under the exchange, what was his fate and 2 weeks ago there was an exchange. here the ministry of defense saw him off 101 people returned home. here among these 100 one person was father nikolai zirka , he served the force of the yarovoe krasno-limansky district. i told his fate, how he was captured. uh-huh that's when our departed. he just lingered. she had been for some time and had already fallen into the hands of the nazis, of course, as he

he passed the basement of the hut, passed and ended up right in my cell. but i'm wondering, and after your release, you gave me the first interview. do you have any information from those who remained in the conclusions, did you see him or hear your words? someone from the sbu can watch, of course, of course, they are watching ukraine and our program with you in full and watching all our programs to the rescue. then they post it all in telegra-publics, in their own way. it's all comments, all sorts of things are distorting the show, look there moscow pop. they drown there for russia there. look how russia is there aggression. here's how he serves in the service. there, in the service of russia. putin has it. well, it's all ukrainian propaganda e even in this actara news that they see the ninety-fifth quarter. that's what we touched. there, even they, when, like, allegedly apologized to the ukrainian simple church, when they

showed all these obscene videos on them. they even showed my videos that before that we will not ask for forgiveness, that is, my video there is a photo of them showed. that's because he really is an fsb officer there. that is, that's all, that is, they watch our program with you and watch other programs, so we have such a big responsibility here. not only the audience of our russian federation, but their audience too. well, when you gave an interview, you, in principle, didn’t say anything bad to me about the conditions of maintenance of relations with you, on the contrary. when you answered my questions, uh, you kept in mind that there are other priests in the conclusion of your answers can affect their fate. maybe, therefore, i positively can not say anything that those people are not considered as agents, too. how can you discredit them? yes , that's why i don't want to talk about it until now. that's when the exchange is made.

the clergy will be replaced by those who remain to change those people who are with me in prison under a political article, residents of our luhansk donetsk region, then i can already talk widely about those people, for the time being. i'm talking about it and i won't do it of the purpose of security and of those people for the purpose of security and of those imprisoned in the father. andrey, even before 2014, from 2014 to 22, served lisichansk a lot. what did you see even before the start of your tell us how the communication methods of, say, the ukrainian military differ fundamentally, uh, with the population of donbass. what is the difference, uh, the behavior of our military with the civilian population of ukraine, what can you say? well, let's share. so what we need at the moment was to say three armies stand on the luhansk people's republic in the donetsk people's republic the republic is our army of the russian federation the local army what is the name of ukraine republicans? that is, these are the armies of the lpr and the armies

of the dpr. naturally, the army of the republicans, as they are called? but these are our inhabitants, these are our people, who will die for their land. here's what doesn't happen. this is the scenario that will not develop further. even when i was in captivity. that's when there was a retreat from the kharkiv region, so ukraine rejoiced predicted. here we are, in a few weeks we will enter lugansk, we will enter donetsk, i knew that our republicans. as they say , our army is republicans. she will become the death of the brave, but she will never again let ukraine into the territory liberated from them, and of course. we have a patriotic relationship. as they say , the army of the russian federation is naturally patristic towards its homeland , it is also uh, on the one hand, it seems to get acquainted, because the donbass is such

an interesting place and population and so interesting. we are the people who never knew serfdom. this one and two is always industrial. where always 100 years ago even under the tsar, fathers had factories organized mines, in principle, this is, well, as they said, hardworking people. yes, and very developed people. why is it that there were many in the army from the donbass, always from tsarist times, because they are familiar with technology with technology , they are familiar with science, because all industrial areas. if you are semi-literate, you will not be able to promote this technology in life and, of course, in the future. now we relate to the sun that has come, supposedly to liberate their land. as they said, we are for our own, of course, complete looting and attitudes towards us. that's right , everyone says scorched earth because here i am a living witness of some kind. that is why i live here and i myself am a witness, firstly, when they came to us. here you need no skolis

now borderline. here are villages, settlements, well, people were leaving. this is shelling here in the fourteenth year. opened all these empty apartments of the house. this is more like it was. and so we had a new mail. this is such a way for everyone to understand how business lines are. so in russia here, well, that is, parcels between cities between regions. and here were the queues , here are the heroes, as we called them . here, microwave washing machines , moreover, were handed over, even i myself am a living witness. here they handed over the indesit machine and there the linen is still in this machine. and even on this new post office in severodonetsk there was an announcement, please, drain the water from the washing machines and pull out all the laundry from there. this ad hung directly on the central section of the new mail, that is, the metal-plastic windows that they pulled out. i'm even here on purpose remembered. here we had a western ukrainian

central. as i understand it, what or not? or well, i won’t say that, well, correctly, that ’s all that could be endured, even i told you. here, before the broadcast, even thoroughbred dogs, they stole, and then let's have such a dog, i picked it up. here is a rubber schnauzer 4 months old. but he jumped off the armor and started running, and i stopped the car and took him away, then i gifted it to my friends. that is, that's all, here, how to say, i did push-ups, looted and even i here was the lieutenant general of the medical service with me. it was in the month of april. just before that, before my arrest, near the humanitarian headquarters, and we touched on this topic. this is the lieutenant general of the state. i tell him, i tell my people what are you doing? this is the same type of mouse your land in your citizens. here, go to rostov, there it will be a military trophy, but whatever you want there, and here, like ours , i tell them, well, there is no understanding. well, in general, you want to say that already in the fourteenth year, when you came in, uh, vsu,

attitudes towards the people of donbass was like a representative of another nation, if you do not take donations, after all, we are for them. that's how i sat alone. we are orcs for them all couples. well, i won't say that. the sphere has other words that they say about us there. that is, they and how they are until today, they say to us, well, if it weren’t for your donbass, we would live in peace. if i had this war, there would be nothing. here, but you rebelled in the fourteenth year , even one of these began to tell me something, if we hadn’t risen, now poroshenko would have come to power, everything was, as it were nice newbie. that is, they draw such pictures for themselves, you know, how, when alexander i, the kingdom came, remember him. the first phrase was with me, everything will be the same as before, everything will be like bells and whistles. that's about. this is how they measure what would happen if the donbass had not risen in 1914. here everything was like an increase, here there is nothing, they started talking about kings. mm. it's true that i 've heard about other priests or it's a duck

that seizes an icon, but the family hmm the titmouse of the royal martyrs. yes, it's true, they're showing searches are carried out. they themselves ukrainian television shows. that's when i sat there that the tv worked. that they found icons of the martyr tsar, they found books about the martyr tsar with the symbols of the royal house, that's all , if they take it out earlier, well, who takes it with them, who destroys it? who leaves there? well, the main fact, we recorded, what does it mean to be a reliable clergyman? here they are , holding the king at their place, honoring the king. this means that this is already a big call, which means that you are henchmen of the russian world and are waiting for russia in your father andrey why how do you think that was the visit of the bidens? why did you meet him on the territory? mikhail of the zolotoverkhov monastery in kiev why was such

a location chosen for the backstage, which then hit all, respectively, the headlines of all the world's daredevils. well, in principle, this is natural, because michael but the top of the monastery is now the rate. uh, metropolitan epiphany of the head of the dog, this is also a schismatic church. there they are. over these few years, the hall of the holy synod was equipped; it was destroyed by the soviet era of michael's gold. tops to the monastery. this cathedral it was restored in importance. they are equal. well, in principle, lavra of course , it's more like flowers. not this heart. i said our orthodoxy from there. many very great saints came out, in particular, such a great one as dmitry of rostov, and there they had a monastery, which was then behind the kiev patriarchate, and then we organized our headquarters, we will say so, the metropolitan himself is there, epiphanius lives and therefore, naturally that he arrived there, because it is, as it were. quieter rate, as they say, their headquarters is not their nest,

it was natural for him to be there, of course, he showed them, probably, showed them how they live , probably complained that when they take away everything in our church, they will give it to them. i think, i think, such a conversation, probably was. and you know, quite recently i had an interview with, professor svetozarsky, and we talked about parallel historical e, the persecution of the soviet church by the communists in the thirties of the last century, about what analogies can be seen now with the persecution of the canonical church in ukraine and he very interesting highlighted the question of what is the main threat. uh, the schism does not come from this small and relatively little influential group of raskolnikov called kisses, but from the greek catholics taken away. it's very interesting to watch them now. what will be their actions? on the territory of ukraine, and perhaps, uh, the main

goal is, strictly speaking, a union, and not at all to transfer all the frames into the hands of an e dog, that they are players on a much smaller scale. what do you think about such a theory? well, initially when the cathedral was held in the seventeenth year. this unifying meeting, as they called it, which petro poroshenko gathered, conducted it. i initially told everyone that the end point of the enterprise is not and by the way, now we will step back a little. so, when they made me out for an exchange, so the officer came to draw up my hut. well, there it was necessary to write a statement, well, everything was written, well, they made up a protocol. here he is sitting with me. so you think, that's what he asked me about, he doesn't ask anything. that's what is so to me. tell me, please, here i have him from lviv the very city of lvov is a well-known educated person. i can’t say anything, that is, he didn’t have any insults there. this is exactly what we were doing here. here, i want to ask you. here i have a godfather priest. he is also, like you, the moscow patriarchate. he told me that if we all go into schism now,

then we will all end up in a union. you, that is , you understand, the priest there, who serves in lvov, he again in our church tells him that everything will end with them. i tell you the truth, i told you the truth, that the final the point of enterprise is the union. if we look even until february 22. according to statistics, more than half of the parishes of our church are the ukrainian orthodox church, the second part of the parishes are the ukrainian-riko, the catholic church, the third is already the cause of the current one, when they united the entire ukrainian autocephalous church and the kiev patriarchate. and even if we look at the map, lviv region, ivano-frankivsk region ternopil there are more parishes of the rivers of catholics than their parishes, that is, there are already more of them plus the union itself. everything started an aggressive policy on in relation to our church, the orthodox church in general in this regard, it is interesting how

the roman catholic church behaves, because all these years after the creation of the kid, it seemed to eschew official comments , not positive, negative dumenko did not respond in any way, they did not respond in any way. well , now we know that there was a meeting with the coordinator. came from the vatican well, in principle, they talked about the world, as the official position in the vatican. e. well, i don't think they will be the main negotiators. with the vatican, because they generally have a bird owner, this is patriarch bartholomew of constantinople. palace church. we know that there is the mariinsky palace, which they shot built for the tsars, in particular for elizabeth, and it was st. andrew's church , they gave it away, then they transferred it directly to the use of the patriarch of constantinople and there was even indignation among national circles, therefore, about the fact that they give it away and firstly not only is it a work of art. not only is it architecture, but it is also how to say flowers, no matter how it has

moreover, to give the rights of ukraine to constantinople, and as we know that the patriarchs of frequencies flow out and on blessings even in these communist prayer services, he is, that is , a frequent guest there, therefore, i think that the main if this is then the main negotiator will be the patriarch, constantinople skye bartholomew well, or his successor is the next who will be after him, in principle, at the age of a person. do you think vladimir zelensky understands the threat that all these games, which means that with the church they can end up with constantinople will control the entire church of ukraine well, i think that he does not think about it. in general, i think he is a person far from the church, we characterize him. this is the first thing, and the fact that he is not a church person is also natural, because, well, all the presidents of ukraine well , that's it, they went to church. through their services, they somehow participated in the life of the parish. we are not talking now. about what kind of church in our church is schismatic, and he never

participated in this plan, for him. this is a political action to say such. well, what can we say about the members of his team the same most of all, they have never seen anyone in the church. and none of the priests and bishops have ever said that they communicate with him or are directly parishioners. in principle, well, in ukraine, we have a very orthodox people, a lot of believers, in principle, we are not shy, they are powerful, powerful people to declare that i, damn it, parishion of such and such a temple of old age of such a temple, we go there , and there is such a temple, we help. we, well, it has never been shameful, in principle. well, what to take off? but they have it has never been in other words, you in the person of the zelensky guarantor of rights, uh , there are no orthodox people in ukraine, but just the other day, in the shostsky district, this is the sumy region. yes, and there were detentions of priests, what is their fate, they will also be deprived of citizenship, no,

the priest who was detained. here it is in the shostsky district in the sumy region. yow was sent to a pre-trial detention center and we are equipping the same article as place 111, treason is treason, that is, he is also threatened with about 12 years. deprivation of liberty in particular. here we touched on the father of alexander boyko, who now he is also in the sumy pre-trial detention center . here i was talking about the fact that the russian military stopped at his place. when ours came in, he had tea there, as they said, he helped the wounded there. well, in principle, well, i would be honest, here i am. in the church , they would have turned to me in the same way. though it will be all right, come, branin and water popro i would also give water, too, showed help, but what do the merciful samaritans teach us this too. and in the gospel the lord himself teaches us this and there is no one in christ, neither a jew nor helen is not a roman, but the whole new creation of god, as the apostle writes pavel, that is, we must help everyone as much as we can, as orthodox christians as the shepherd and the church of christ.

well, there it was regarded as an enemy agent, that is, therefore, i think that these will be single arrests. that is, i think they will seek out the clergy. at least for some slightest sympathy towards the moscow patriarchate, but felt some kind of russian orthodox church. just recently, such a statement was made by the permanent representatives of the united states at linda thomas greenhand. she stated the quote that there is problems with religious freedom, and in ukraine satisfied is rarely heard, especially because of the mouth of american politicians, and such a reproach to the address of the kiev authorities, is this not a sign that the west is now, and to have such a thing on a tray and problems like e ukrainian church schism, just not ready. what you need is to sort of crush it, turn it off to prevent it from

acquiring a nationwide character in ukraine, but a religious war is always a tragedy. and it's such a very big wound, and i think it's all the same. eh, right there there are politicians and there are statesmen. i think that they are also concerned about this, so that this conflict does not lead to some kind of religious war. after all, this will be the most terrible conflict. we remember this is serbia in the nineties. we know right now in syria the same conflict this moment was precisely a religious topic; there are other countries in africa where there are christians, where there are muslims from pagans, well, different faiths, so ah, a religious conflict, let's say this is very scary, therefore, i i think they give themselves reports too. i think they will try, but this is my personal opinion to prevent some other new outbreak on a religious topic, a forecast of what

will happen next with the canonical ukrainian orthodox church. and how would you describe let's say scenario and scenario would be which would be the lesser of two evils. well i guess the script it will continue. i think they will continue to seize churches, parishes, because every day there is vodka, which one temple captures, that temple attacks. uh, that's what the capture of parishes will be. i think he will be even more aggressive every month every day, because as they see it. some kind of certain evil, that's how they express it, that we are the carriers of the russian world. i even think that maybe even put such a condition later. i don’t know, but what will happen to you or go all to the dog all. it’s good that if they left, if they don’t put them in jail, on the same charges as mine, since in the thirty-seventh year

we open all cases. he is the clergy, that they are spies there and german english french. well, there's only one espionage here, like fsb officers well, that is, it's not this year's notion. it's been many years. it's dragging on. therefore, this is this method that will continue. that is, there will be no other. there, others console themselves with predictions. yes, no, how is it? well, that's it, there's one. here we are collecting help there, and there , somehow, with our army there, i won’t talk about it, there the hierarchies write there, the priests write. no, that won't help. well , we're not going to negotiate with the executioner, who is going to execute a sentence on you. maybe we'll endure the executions, or maybe me. will you let me in? well, it’s natural that the executioner will fulfill his own what the court told him, that the verdict told him, in other words , collaborator priests, even if they suffer the common fate of the ukrainian orthodox church. yes, yes, there is one attitude, only now you are giving us a split here, this

schismatic church or an independent state, independently the church and that’s it, but the end alexander andrey you said at the beginning of the interview that you now drive every week hmm to the donbass to the territory conducting your own. ah, how the fighting spirit of the russian army has changed, for example, have there been many of those, have there been more of them, has this phenomenon appeared, maybe they ask them to be baptized to bless, there before the offensive it is very joyful that our army becomes not only motivated, as a patriotic, but also in our orthodox religion, because here we are in the pskov division. here, firstly, there is a regimental, priest, father alexander, who of the male he was the keel of anyone now, who is a retired metropolitan and all the military correspondents came asking that no one here says to be baptized, so they won’t get

rid of it. he sometimes we all baptized. and now everyone is standing by the airborne forces, that's all this shelf is worth. so we distributed what we brought from people , collected gifts and served a prayer service. here everyone was baptized. and now we have a military corps, because it can and will be somewhere baptism no, it's getting worse. baptized came, we are also in other parts, which are now under the flint podsutsya. we were delivering humanitarian cargo. everything that was asked in the hospital was attended there. first of all, that's all baptized. here are all the baptized second. the fighters themselves asked me to be with me. here are our priests. here from moscow we went to unction, asked to take communion, before we went to spare gifts, we took them in churches. well, in principle, this is the hierarchy of recidivism i serve. that is, all the priests know, that is, someone berthed the gifts and asked for some icons, someone asked for prayers, that is, who was asked, that is, very now the army, ours , we will say people warriors

orthodox warriors, as they say, as ivan retold light, christ enlightens everyone. when they return home, when everything ends well for us, they will carry this color of christ of faith to their relatives and friends . many thanks to us at the studio. and you, including, aren't you? why are you digging there? we're going to give him the title of righteous man of the world, that's a witness. so he doesn’t want to talk about it, how old we were then, 17:00 in the family there was one valuable

relic, i picked it up. just show me you said you'd get the deposit back.

three people were killed 16 people were injured during the shelling of the city of perevalsk lpr by the afu. among they are a seventeen-year-old teenager with two more children. the blow was delivered from the american system. khaimar, they beat them with shrapnel from a rocket . aiming at the bus station, where there were people, the nearest residential buildings, a grocery store, were also destroyed, two gas stations were damaged and cars parked nearby. a lot of times there are dead in the peaceful buildings of gas stations