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hello in the studio ekaterina gracheva this is a program of the church, and we, which on weekends we host with our guests representatives of the russian orthodox church and discuss the current agenda of the news that have occurred in russia and in the world. and today i have vakhtang kipshidze, deputy chairman of the synodal department for relations between the church and society and the media, is visiting at vladimirovich’s window hello, i’m glad to see you in the studio, of course, the main topic from which i would like to start this situation around the lavra, and there were protests of standing, believers and monks turning to president volodymyr zelensky and in russian, by the way, in ukrainian this week there was a meeting of the holy synod and as patriarch kirill commented on everything that is happening in the kiev-pechersk lavra, i would like to say that his holiness the patriarch, of course, pays great attention to this situation, because it is truly blatant, i think that since the time

of godlessness in the early years of soviet power, there probably have not been such situations, that is , by and large, one of the largest shrines of the orthodox world, not only for russian ukrainian peoples, but i think for all peoples who profess orthodoxy. uh, what kind of cave monastery is the revered saint and there is a real mockery of the monks. uh, the authorities nominated them. how do you know ultimatum and it requires that they would, by and large , just get out of there. and here is the networked patriarch, of course, uh, he is trying to do everything possible to draw the attention of the world community to this lawlessness of the heads of local orthodox churches in the glorious communities . that it is necessary to protect the faithful monk

flavi rapists. they are in a situation where any action they take is any attempt to resolve this situation. might cost them liberty a life of security, that is money will be march 29th. this is the same day that the authorities of kiev called the day when the monks must leave the monastery of the canonical ukrainian orthodox church. what do you think will happen after the twenty-ninth of march, of course, forecasts made very ungrateful. uh, and hmm, we would all like to believe that some kind of peaceful prospect is possible, but , unfortunately, the actions of the ukrainian authorities in recent months are such that we what to expect further on the issue of the expulsion of monks from the kiev-pechersk lavra seemed something completely unthinkable people were convinced that

the kiev authorities have enough, well, banal and i don’t know just respect for religion, as such, not to do this kind of thing, but this happens in reality. you know what's before this. before the attempt to confiscate the lavra, the decision was made to carry out acts of intimidation, when the special services broke into the streamers before the archpriests carried out searches and confiscated them. there is some literature there, allegedly related to russia, all this was part of a planned campaign, which, it seems to me, is an attempt to seize the lavra and hand it over to the schismatics. i want us and our viewers watched one video. this is an appeal, monks. not raskolnikov, but the canonical church of ukraine, to president zelensky, what do they tell him, i appeal to the president. so in this convent, i prayed to god, so that the lord would reveal

who will be our president to me, the lord, revealed that vladimir zelensky will be president. mikhail told me, he says, he seems to be, vladimir said in joy that if they choose me, i even and therefore i told everyone this, all the brothers of the monastery and parishioners all prayed that vladimir zelensky would become president, and now i ask him since we prayed for him that he would become president, so that he would not offend our lavra, on the contrary, he protected her. well, in all this, i was personally most interested in the news that, i didn’t know this before, that zelensky promised to be baptized into the orthodox faith, if he was elected president at all, then you can believe this testimony of a monk. you know,

it seems to me that in the circumstances that have now developed there, there is no reason to think that this population is lying , most likely it was really so, but the most important thing is that this is a promise, if it was given, as we are now saw this monk testify, it was not fulfilled, most likely, and, probably, will never be fulfilled never because , probably, it is the president of ukraine who just does not want to be baptized in the ukrainian church. he is simply a church, but he is by and large. as we can see from his actions set the task, destroy this church, this church is a kind of obstacle on the path of complete alienation between the ukrainian and russian peoples, because i think that apart from the church, apart from the common orthodox faith, there are no factors comparable in importance that open up for

us the prospect of reconciliation, on which we all count and we think that the conflict will end and it will become a question of a peaceful arrangement, and reconciliation and then it is the church, the one church that we belong to, that can play its role. but, apparently, those political forces that are now govern in ukraine, they do not want it. they want bitterness to be complete , inevitable and not returnable. and you can believe that zelensky will be baptized into a schismatic. you know me. it is difficult, of course, to predict anything here. i think there may be different options, but it will, of course, not be epiphany, it will be a political show, which i think no one will believe, including the residents of ukraine , zelensky's meeting with biden against the backdrop of the temple. and in kiev, this is also a political show, according to your age , some kind of message, which they

sent, perhaps, let's say a humanistic message. for me , there is nothing humanistic in this story. i think it's just that president biden met with representatives of that religious community, which, by and large, biden's efforts made him. uh, let's say that colleagues were created , we know from the very beginning that the kastonopol patriarchy, which supported this church , relied, among other things, on the opinion of american political circles. and even then we were surprised that something like that. the most secular state of the usa hmm who calls himself that suddenly pays so much attention to a minority religious community in ukraine, but by and large. they did what they wanted, they created that one. the religious structure, which became a kind of battering ram for the destruction of canonical orthodoxy, was invested

in it with a political resource, probably a financial resource. and now the president is actually biden. e, met with his creatures, who, from a canonical point of view, are completely illegally dressed in church clothes. uh, serve their false worship as we we believe that it does not have any grace-filled power in ancient ukrainian temples. now they are also claiming a laurel on the issue of material values. i know that a revision is underway at the kiev-pechersk lavra. yes, they describe all the values ​​\u200b\u200bthat are there, and to what extent it comes to revision, what, let's say, the relics of monks from, uh, dungeons, and the laurels also rewrite you know hmm, all this again reminds. since the theomachic time of the twenties and thirties, when dehydrated people also tried,

it means, either to take away church valuables, or desecrate the relics, then transfer all this to some kind of museum funds. em. you perfectly understand that this is a revision. it takes place not as part of the protection of cultural values, but as part of an attempt to outrage and mock rapists, but the kiev-pechersk lavra. it's quite obvious, because they don't care at all. in my opinion. yes, the value of holy relics and other shrines, which may also have a museum value, there, in addition to the spiritual. they just want to uh, respectively, humiliate subject pressure by the brothers of the kiev-pechersk lavra and they chose the most er, tough for this. the most m-m mocking method

is unlimited and unpunished violence against the conscience of believers, which the ukrainian authorities by and large did not give a damn about, and for the first time the pope of rome spoke out condemning what is happening now in ukraine in relation to the economic church. this message. how can one regard it, or is it such a criticism , not yours, not ours, too cautiously nominal. well, there are two elements, of course, i guess. hmm. good. that's the pope. is not silent, unlike the head of the united nations organization, i don’t know, other human rights structures, which, as it were, got into the mouth and simply do not see the mass violence taking place in ukraine , the seizure of churches and other things that the nationalists are implementing there? together with raskolnikov it is good that the pope is not silent. well, of course, this is a short speech in the framework of one of

the sermons that he delivered there. it uh, in my opinion is not enough, because uh, we are on the verge of events when monks can just physically, but to throw them out of the cells outside the monastery walls, therefore, well , there are some such abstract calls to respect the shrines, as they were made. i'm afraid they won't have any effect from church to secular news to those that concern us all. in the third reading. a law was passed, and in the criminal punishment for discrediting all participants in it, we are talking about, including volunteers, that's the only senator who criticized the laws was lyudmila narusova. she stated she was working off the border of the quote between criticism and defamation. should villages be considered, for example, as a discrediting of the industry by the statement of lieutenant matvienko that russia practically does not produce its own nails, but buys

imported ones. do you think that this law on criminal punishment for criticizing all participants is perfect, and you know, i think that it is perfectly legal, probably, it will be necessary to judge after the law of enforcement is established. practice is still not a church task . but i think that the message that was laid down by the creator of this law. he is, of course, correct. we created all the people who are all citizens of russia who live here, who both obey the laws of our country, and are called upon to treat with respect those people who die at the front. you know very well that the russian orthodox church pays special attention to the feeding of military personnel and his holiness the patriarch repeatedly in his sermons

called for the fact that those soldiers officers who fight and die, and enjoy the full support of society. they do their duty and the fulfillment of duty by our military personnel, it enjoys full church support, therefore, in my opinion, there is no bullying . uh, let's say mockery of military personnel, not uh, should be done just like that. respect for another person is the basic principles of human relations, and respect for a warrior who fights and dies for us is hmm. i think a duty that must be confirmed, including force of law, but you know, i do not rule out that in some cases the law will not be adopted as we would like, but i think that its practice of its application can be

adjusted, including within the framework of the activities of civil society, that is, any law. hmm, let's say, bring it to the point of absurdity. hmm, there is for this. uh, the civilian mechanisms, uh, which, in my opinion, can also add an anecdote to this, and discrediting the armed forces of the russian federation, in your opinion, is sufficient reason for criminal prosecution. by the way, speaking, this situation is very similar, uh, uh the adoption of a law on the protection of feelings, believers, in which at one time they were very active about surrendered and then they also said, listen, but, uh, in my opinion, uh, someone said. but if someone said that an atheist is a violation of feelings, believers or not. see? he says that there is no god. this, probably, some believers can begin to worry about this. here, but thank god with the help of both the church and hmm civil society.

in my opinion, we took part in the formation of such a right accepted practice that seems adequate to all of us. for example, uh, many of the cases that are initiated by them hmm are not brought to court, when people who have committed offenses to the feelings of believers apologize . uh, the same procedure applies to other criminal laws. there is some person unknowingly. hmm made it so discrete, then of course he should rather be given the opportunity to apologize. driving is a criminal liability, but if a person insists on his position, which is to mock russian military personnel, then, probably, the law should come into force talking about something important. and on the air of federal tv channels, what do you think about this initiative? why does the church, as it were to some

extent, so aloof from this initiative. you know, i do not agree that the church remains on the sidelines. uh, because as you know, on christmas hmm , his holiness the patriarch also took part in conversations about important things and told eh hmm to schoolchildren about the sacrament of god's incarnation of the nativity of christ , and i think that this caused a very good response from the students. and you see, it is obvious that the christian civilization, which actually speaking. uh, it is unthinkable without knowledge of the main holidays, uh, is the cultural context in which everything lives, our society found, if we do not know the main pillars of christian civilization, which is including christianity, we do not know the holidays, we do not know the basic things from the gospel story then it is in my opinion.

uh talks about us as not very educated people. here is the important talk. in my opinion, this possibility will fill the problem. i am now talking about such speakers of conversations about important things, such as, for example, the singer yegor kri. yes uh the idol of youth, who, as it turned out, still manages to advertise his accounts, where there are ads. ah, an online casino of other gambling games, but questions arise whether he is competent enough to talk about important things, and what is so important then. uh, the church does not want to somehow take part in the revision of these speakers, or what? well first of all, i would like to say that this is a new initiative of your talk, but the initiative, it seems to me, is useful and worthy of support. well, of course, it would be strange to expect that from the very start. uh, everything went absolutely smoothly and

it's very good that there are some questions about this initiative. questions about the selection of people who participate. this is a normal public reaction. hmm, i think that this reaction will be taken into account and to measure how the subject will be formed, acquire some kind of framework, e, the goals will be clarified , such questions will probably not arise. i don't think it's because of the participation. yegor creed or some other e-speaker is there. m-m, you need to raise the question of the expediency of this initiative. as such, as far as the church is concerned, then, of course, we do not impose our opinion on anyone, but if hmm , the ministry of education wants to cooperate with us in this area. of course we have our own opinion. we can express children. i have two. they are already in the school.

they have these conversations going to school, and in principle they are interested, because the conversation is about something important, they are different from other subjects, which well , maybe they are more hands-on, and this new children harm it. well, at least my kids. reacts with interest well not to my opinion. it's such a healthy response. look at the state duma, they submitted a draft law on the creation of a russian movement of children and youth, it is expected that this membership in the movement will be voluntary for everyone over 6 years old, and the big change movement. e. it is already known that this, it means, was introduced on the day of the centenary of the pioneers in russia and the goals of the future movement, promoting the implementation of state policy in the interests of young children , participating in their upbringing, organizing leisure activities and shaping their worldview based on traditional russian spiritual and moral values, i recall recent stories with how, in my opinion, on pioneer day it means to congratulate somewhere. eh, schoolchildren. came with a messenger. i don’t really understand,

since when have we had this in the minds of deputies, or maybe, uh, in the church, it’s also like a pioneer and, uh, spiritual and moral values. they almost grew together. you know, i think that the name of the state policy is related to the fact that uh, as you understand, this whole initiative, it requires uh state funding. that is why it is obvious that public funding should be consistent with the goals of public policy and, in this case, the policy in the field of protection of traditional values. i can probably understand what's bothering you. e we have, well, the word pioneer. it is associated with some kind of obligation with some kind of endless routine. uh, hmm first . i have komsomol members. pioneers. october, everything is associated with theomachism. anyway. well, in fact, don't believe in god yourself, you know, everything is very simple. you understand, i wouldn't say that,

really. here is the pioneer movement or scouting movement, as which existed, by the way, and western countries. it, er, in general, showed itself well. scouts are pioneers, after all. they form a certain community. i don’t know which ones are organized in an organized manner, starting from sports, ending with some kind of social activity, but enlightenment education and so on. that is, in principle, a community of children is good. i actually know very well that today's young generation is very much imitated. that is, for many students. unfortunately, the only friend is a mobile phone in which they sit and watch. it is not known what, but the value of human communication communication in a team. she hesitated a lot, so in my opinion. mm formation. here are children's movements, there are youthful movements. these are very good initiatives. once again, i am deeply convinced that in the history of this

pioneer movement of the scout movement, or here we have a movement of orthodox tracers, who are also about the same. persuasion. in a certain period of the history of our country, unfortunately, it was introduced into all spheres. uh, starting there, i don't know from pioneer and ending there in academic science, where scientific atheism was studied, but that's no reason. here are all these undertakings so immediately criticize, of course. that is, you do not mind what you think about the initiative to gradually raise the draft age in the russian federation, but you know, in my opinion, this is a reaction to certain social changes. we know that now, uh, young people grow up later than that. happened and i don’t know 30-40-50 years ago. that is, if earlier there were 18 years old, it seemed to be the

age when a person has already matured, but now. well, this is my personal observation. there is no need to consider it as some kind of official church position, but in my opinion infantilism in society. such a serious challenge, that is, a person of 18 years old, maybe just a child before 18 years old. uh, many, uh, hmm, got married and got married, and now 18 years old there is just another person, well, he considers himself, by and large, an immature minor, probably this one initiative it responds to these social changes. well, the end. i would like to touch on a topic, but excitement, i would even say a scandal arose around the construction of a mosque in novokosino in moscow, you, of course, followed this story. in my opinion, the problem of the construction of religious buildings, in general, should be solved,

if we are talking about such megacities as moscow. first of all. i would like to emphasize that the russian orthodox church has always, and hmm, had great respect for representatives of other traditional communities of our state. first of all , for muslims, a jew, a buddhist, and e, the very need to build prayer buildings for the traditional religions of russia is completely hmm obvious, so to speak, a question that excludes any conflict, such buildings should be built, but another matter. we know very well what the city is. uh, moscow and probably other big cities. this is an overpopulated city, where a lot of people must exist in a limited area, therefore, of course, for construction prayer buildings must take into account the interests of the local population. by the way, this doesn't just apply to swords. and we are in the construction of temples. in moscow, too, we always

hold public hearings. eh, and even i personally know the case when the construction site of the temples was moved at the request of the local population, there were such cases, and they will be because we must in my opinion. i mean representatives of all the traditional religions of russia to take into account the opinion of the local population, the problem is that it is not completely known. and what mosque are they going to build how many people will it accommodate? yes, several areas will be allocated for this. what kind of muslim community will this mosque belong to, that is, a lot of questions, unfortunately, remained, say, outside the public space. but in my opinion. such questions. still. they should be discussed publicly and involve the participation of local residents, as well as authorities and other traditional communities. all this is a normal public dialogue, which in this case , in my opinion. not quite realistic. main,

don't let this issue shake the inter-religious peace in our big society. thank you for coming to the stu. diyu and commented on this news. thanks, see you again. including isn't it, why are you digging there? we are going to give him the title of righteous among the world does not want to talk about it, how old we were then. the hotel in the family was

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