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hello. kirill vyshinsky is with you, and this program is a typical novorossiya, our new name says it all, we will talk about the territory that has returned to its historical roots with the help of a careful look at the history of novorossiya. we will try to reveal the originality of her present day, to find in it typical features and recognizable signs of the past. and that's what we'll talk about today. instead of a class struggle with russia how until recently was history taught in novorossiya? why and how to retrain
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conversation with the program expert , stargorod in the steppes is upside down in the footsteps of heroes and petrov ukrainian part of these lands. who became citizens of russia quite recently. what were they offered to see the history of the state, within whose borders their ancestors lived for centuries to those who lived in the ukrainian part of donbass in kherson and zaporozhye areas taught the history of ukraine , according to ukrainian historians in the 16th century, it was a colony of oppressed russia, therefore, in textbooks. the pereyaslav rada, where the cossacks of khmelnytsky voluntarily swore allegiance to the moscow tsar, is only called ukraine the moscow treaty, and on the zebra, who
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changed the oath and betrayed tsar peter it turns out that a far-sighted ukrainian politician and fighter for the rights of the cossacks , if in soviet times the history of ukraine was described as a process of struggle of the oppressed classes for their rights against the capitalists and landlords without specific nationality, then after independence it became a covert or overt struggle against russian and soviet colonialism. it is true that in tsarist times that in soviet times in ukraine despite all the horrors of oppression, the population grew , new educational institutions were opened, plants and factories were built thanks to the development of the territory of novorossia, productivity increased . and at the beginning of the 20th century
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, the desperate struggle of the bourgeois ukrainian people's republic.
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well, what do the authors of textbooks think? it was a cunning trick so the nationalists got weapons and created the basis for their ukrainian insurgent army withholding the truth about how the militants at the end of the war and the first post-war years. in western ukraine, activists from the local population of the same ukrainians were killed in every army. only with different views. somehow very similar to what happened in the donbass after 2014 , more about how history was taught in the ukrainian part of novorossiya. and what today is being done to change these distorted ideas in the plot of anna efimova zaporizhzhia state university, lectures are being given by leading russian
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scholars of the holodomor. the history of the development of the wild field is collaborationism on the territory of soviet ukraine, in a word, on which russian and ukrainian choreography traditionally has different views. you are young people, you should just be interested in viktor kondrashin, a world-famous scientist, the largest expert on the topic of the russian peasantry of the 20th century. for several decades he has been engaged in history famine of the thirties in the ussr, he lectured at universities in the usa, italy, japan and other countries, but now it is important to convey information where it is most needed in the liberated territories. the reality is this was not the genocide of the ukrainian people. it was a common tragedy for all the peoples of the soviet union who lived in this era of accelerated industrialization and bread resources, he says, where they were, otherwise they are on the principle that they are ukrainians, that this is the russian language, my position is shared by the majority, the overwhelming most foreign researchers of this topic, the mass famine of the thirties, which engulfed the vast
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territories of the ussr, not only ukraine but also the north caucasus, the volga urals, south siberia and kazakhstan, claimed the lives of several million peasants and certainly. this is a huge tragedy, however, the focus has been on the victims of repression against the supposedly single ukrainian peasantry. historians of the independent traditionally omit other facts, for example, that the largest grain resources for the sowing company for 33 years were allocated to the ukrainian ussr, so the myth was born agination, it is also a weapon of propaganda directed against the peoples. uh, inhabiting here are our countries, our regions, our republics to disunite the peoples of the former ussr and this myth is being introduced not only in ukraine, it is being actively introduced, for example, in kazakhstan now melitopol moscow is separated by 1,000 km. however, it was not the distance that interrupted the scientific dialogue between russian and ukrainian scientists, but the students as well. after the maidan of the fourteenth year, all contacts began to systematically come to naught. so now them
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have to restore bit by bit today in the walls. rggu alma mater of many famous scientists. they talk about how important it is to build bridges again, both between faculty and students. there is a lecture in the lecture hall of the university, her topic is the mythologization of history around certain events in the history of the independent, traditionally a lot of speculation to separate the wheat from the chaff, a difficult task can be solved only by referring to historical sources, it is historical sources that refute many tales of ukrainian myth-making, for example, that it was the ukrainian language that was the main language in russia, though not a single document of those times was created in ukrainian, in fact, only in the 19th century. it was never found either that the uprising of bohdan khmelnytsky and the pereslavl rada were a cunning plan of the moscow tsar, who dreamed of splitting the great ukraine at that time and of course, where without the glorification of the nationalists from ufa, who allegedly were not collaborators at all, but fought alone
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with everyone and against hitler and against stalin everything. it flooded the tutorials outright lies were told in university departments and the main thing was not subjected to any doubts, perhaps this is the main mistake, if a quality historical education, perhaps, critical thinking is then this is what is taught at the faculty of history. this is one of the main abilities of a historian, and even our teachers always tell us that we should critically comprehend both what they say and what we read, rsuh teacher ivan kulakov recently returned from melitopol, however, about the standards of ukrainian knows education for a long time and firsthand, because at one time he himself graduated from school in the then ukrainian crimea, ivan says that if the dpr, the lpr is now integrating faster. still, in 8 years , the republic managed to create strong ties with russian universities contacts with recently liberated territories. this is a longer and more laborious process, but quite feasible.
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and there are people who are ready to organize these processes at the youth level. we are currently working on creating branches of the youth club in the zaporozhye region. there are guys. they themselves turned to us with a request with a proposal, and to open such a cell, by the way, melitopol state university, created on the basis of several former ukrainian institutions at once, became the first university in the liberated territories that received russian state accreditation, which means the right to issue diplomas. there are many schoolchildren who have not yet formed. this is the universitetskaya a consciousness based on ukrainian materials on ukrainian a radical books and from them and from the amazing generation of high school students who go to university, uh, freshmen to sophomores. and, of course, they need to form real specialists. well, in ukraine , for years, the younger generation has been molded into
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something else as an asset for protests. everyone remembers who does not jump, that muscovite. and of course, referring to the history of the third reich, the slogan ukraine by pressure, that is, ukraine is above all. youth is the weak link. this is our weak link. in what sense, uh, reformat? uh, consciousness is very easy young man. eh, while he has not yet formed, as a personality and a conveyor belt of the hitler youth in exactly that way in direct words. i call it working flawlessly from the other side, and what is happening in ukraine right now is yes. this reformatted consciousness is precisely among schoolchildren and students. and on this distortion of history, a huge political resource of ukraine itself and beyond its borders is working. recently, for example, another country recognized the holodomor as genocide of the ukrainian people. belgium
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has previously made a similar decision usa australia germany bulgaria poland portugal and in the whole european parliament. but this is in every sense a completely different story. anna and again valery anastasia popova is a typical novorossia. about how the teaching of the humanities was organized. in novorossia in ukrainian times, we will talk with our permanent expert, historian, political scientist rostislav, ishchenko artislav. good afternoon. good afternoon rostislav e. how the entire humanitarian block has changed. uh, in novorossiya its contents. i mean in ukrainian times. well, i would say, not only in belarus , because this is a tragedy, in general, everything and ukraine as a result of this change. uh, these changes have grown even more than one several illiterate generations, literature. she
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simply, so to speak, in quotation marks, enriched herself with additional quantities of ukrainian authors , and from there they began, uh, side by side. yes, here i began to gradually squeeze out authors of even such, say, little russian or all-russian gogol yes, bulgakov was still considered a ukrainian writer, and gogol was no longer there, in my opinion, it was almost even taught in translations, yes, before alexander sergeevich pushkin, the ukrainian language and taras bulba who spoke to the russian land the phrase of ukraine as ukrainian. yes, there was not a single russian mention of each other overlapping, yes. that person simply loses the connecting thread between the past and the present. and if we talk about history, then there is its own, combining the greatest tragedy. yes, because there the historians of the cpsu became
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historians of ukraine instantly. well, history is an ideological discipline. they decided that we are simply taking off one ideology, like a jacket and another thing in the classics of marxism. they no longer fit, but bandera and mekhnovsky still cannot be quoted. petlyura seems to be, as it is impossible, these families are iodophobic, louder and so on of the boss that was. as a matter of fact, the ideologist and father of such a ukrainian theory, but the fact is that grushevsky lacks soulful stories for everything, he is no longer an idiologist, which means, uh, as a result , such outstanding shots as professorbeinik began to appear. so, i will remind you twice that the person who told about atlantis is talking about the fact that jesus christ is ukrainian. so, and now he already has much more discoveries than there were before. i say opening in quotation marks. yes, he himself continues to talk about this very great ukrainian emperor. bogdan genghis khan there and so on he
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has a discovery that is not a day, but the most important thing is that professorbek published his research in the golos ukrainy newspaper , which was the main parliamentary newspaper from the country. that is, in the words of the professor, the great sacred meaning was immediately indulged. i understand that in the fourteenth year they became obligatory, because all the textbooks, uh, everything, do not fit into this scheme. uh, the fact is that any spruce appeared long before the fourteenth year, a textbook that was written to black and white children. that the ukrainian nation is 140,000 years old, despite the fact that a modern man appeared about 40-50,000 years ago, it means that ukrainians were somewhere comparable in age to neanderthals, and not only did they write it and at school it still fell on the conscience of the teacher, and he could teach in this way, but he could teach differently and really
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it became obligatory only after the fourteenth year, when denunciations began to be written against teachers and a hut began to come to them or arrest them for incorrectly teaching history. before that, somehow scroll. it was possible for schoolchildren to receive this in the course of literature in the course, and history. this heresy was constantly on television in the newspapers. there, in books , and so on and so forth, that is , they prayed for them from all sides, by the way, new history marginalized several generations in a row, that is, they have such an idea of history has developed. why it was very important to reformat historical memory in general in the south-east of ukraine, and in novorossiya in particular, how successful it was done in ukraine. well, i would not say to reformat to kill historical memory, because i once faked a statement. yes, to become a ukrainian, said the ukrainians of nationality, one must kill the russian in oneself. and what to see in yourself as a russian in the first place to kill historical memory, that is, in this
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work of the great kazakh classic become a maine, yes, that's fine. you should have forgotten who are your ancestors? i had to forget the history of my own people. and now what to do in novorossia with this hmm cultural-historical heritage in quotation marks, how to get rid of it, because this is not even just a change of textbooks. this is already embedded in the consciousness of a truly whole, at least a generation should publish normal textbooks. it is necessary to give lectures, it is necessary to publish literature for them, it is necessary to provide coverage with educational television programs, there and so on. hmm means again. uh in spoiled generations. not everyone will return to normal. simply, because a person's character is formed there somewhere up to twenty years, and often earlier and then it is already very difficult for him to change
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his mind. here are some people. i think that the big one will return to normal, and their children and grandchildren will already grow up normal. and this, in principle, must be calculated. we have normal textbooks. we have normal stories. that is, we have. red literature all this must be published in mass editions to propagandize to provide accessibility to provide propaganda including on television in social networks. everywhere, somewhere is possible, for the new generation to grow up surrounded by the new one. mm, new ideas. well, maybe they are not so new, because, in principle, we return them to the well-forgotten old somehow back to normal . but they must grow. here in this already new, so to speak, cocoon, e, which will be completely denied, uh, the previous nationalist ideology that was inspired by their parents. thank you very much for very interesting story.
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favorite books of the soviet intelligentsia, 12 chairs and the golden calf or petrov's fairies the adventures of a charming swindler stopabender who chases treasures in gumps chairs and investigates the activities of an underground millionaire koreek were carried away not only by unexpected plot twists, both novels painted a picture of soviet life and mores of the twenties depicted bright characters and the characters became a real encyclopedia of the life of the young soviet republic, restless bender, together with his accomplices, everything time in motion. he either set off from the province of noisy moscow, then sailed after the elusive chairs on a steamboat along the volga, then made a motor run along the steppe impassability, then after the loin he went to socialist construction sites in the desert of central
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asia. an inserted phrase, such as being rude boy or a tram. yes , they talked to them in moscow not only about the interlocutor's sense of humor, but also about belonging to the general circle of reading physicists, lyricists, good the tone was the knowledge of the geography of the adventures of the heroes in moscow, the experts showed the old building of the newspaper gudok voznesensky lane, in which the authors placed a hostel named after berthold. schwartz the inhabitants of odessa were proud of the fact that in sunny chernomorsk where the millionaire lived. koreika was decommissioned from their city. in kiev, they even erected a monument to panikovsky at the place where, according to the plot of the novel, he portrayed a blind man. most argued. what city could become the prototype of the provincial stargorod
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of the very one where the reader is first introduced to with comrade bender and in which the story actually begins, 12 chairs. many researchers believe that this is starobelsk, a regional center in the lugansk republic in novorossiya. more in the plot of olga mokhova, it went down in history long before the writing of twelve chairs at the turn of the 16-17 centuries, by decree of boris godunov , they erected here in a wild field to protect the borders of the moscow kingdom from the raids of the crimean tatars the fortress of tsar borisov the tsarist governors bogdan bilsky, who was responsible for its construction for greater safety and already built on the right bank of the river with his own money. aidar is another fortress in the sources , several names appear white, belsk belsky boris godunov is so self- righteous, he was very dissatisfied with all this. as a result
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, bohdan belsky's beard was plucked upon arrival. uh, which was considered dishonor, and he was , uh, demoted there, well, sent into exile, as it were. eh, nonetheless. uh, they partially stopped on the run, well, in some places the cossacks came here, the spirit of the cossack freemen and freedom vital in these parts , peasants from the central regions fled here from the fortress fire regions of russia were engaged in agriculture. sometimes they went on military campaigns in exchange for this , the cossacks did not give out to their landowners the discontent of the peasants with a kind of oppression at the beginning of the 18th century. the uprising of kondraty bulavin , famous for its cruelty, has outgrown, both the instigators and the tsarist authorities who suppressed it. here is the city , uh, starobelsk, it was not yet a city, but a belsk settlement. it including shulgin cities were burned. uh, there's practically nothing left. only after 20 years
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, the foundation begins to settle first sloboda old white, and since 1797, the city of starobelsk is an atypical settlement for the industrial donbass, this cubic agricultural town , located at the crossroads of trade routes, was famous for its four annual christmas nikolaev spring peter-summer and pokrovskaya autumn fairs, and also for the piety and patronage of local residents. in the summer of 1927 , at 11:30 a.m. , a young man entered from the direction of the village of chmarovka, stargorod. a monument to ostap bender entering stargorod was erected in starobelsk on gogol square in 2008 for the eightieth anniversary of the first edition of the twelve chairs, the village of chmyrovka, and in the time of ilf and petrov-chmarovka, it is really located to the north. now it is a suburb of starobilsk.
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this geographical coincidence made it possible for our local historians 15 years ago to start, so to speak, unwinding this story , following the results of which they came to such an interesting conclusion that literally a year before the start of work on roman 12 chairs, young correspondents of the all-union newspaper gudok visited starobilsk in the beep newspaper the central committee of the trade union of railway transport workers 100 years ago gathered the flower of russian literature. and lesha rolls bulgakov the idea of ​​the plot, 12 chairs, literally hovered in the air in the room. the fourth page, where its employees ilya ilfa evgeny petrov printed their satirical materials, would definitely not have 12 chairs. if it weren’t for the beep, simply because they wouldn’t have taken this material from nowhere , because there are a lot of what there are 12 chairs in the golden calf, where one of the correspondents of the worker correspondents whose work correspondents elf
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so brilliantly arranged and knew this texture very well. well, at the same time, and of course, the texture of the entire nepman life of the then russia, in the process of searching, found both similarities and coincidences furnished rooms with furniture requisitioned from cubic houses, where the metropolitan correspondents allegedly stopped the green car lauren dietrich, inherited from the fleet of starobelsky, the executive committee from the time of the unr and the german occupation. it supposedly has them on it. they did, however, moscow researchers do not share this confidence. by the twenty-sixth year, well, well, let's say, and then why don't we find the corresponding entries in e diaries, and he is a very carefully negro. and why, respectively, the editors of the beep could send the elves of petrov to them stable, once again there was not even a railway station, the starobelsky railway station was really opened only in 1934. nevertheless, in 2011,
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another monument appeared in the city dedicated to the twelve chairs of starobelsky. lev kisu vorobyaninov. placed in the park opposite the entrance to a two-story building, on the balcony of which allegedly dined ilfa petrov typical characters of the inhabitants of the starogorod and the features of the city itself, according to the statement, starobelchan, very recognizable . every small town has its own insanely interesting true story. well, i really want a local story. well, i really want to go down in history, because. these are collective images. residents of many cities recognize their fellow countrymen in them. one way or another, but this legend has become one of the symbols of the city, the locals themselves. residents treat literary and historical parallels with humor to say that just such a hype. eh, how is it not? well, somehow, well, anyway. uh, it always attracts everyone who comes to town. not residents of starobels, as one of
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the first questions from history, let's say. e, what connects us with this e with these 12 chairs the canvas called the whole union was given such an assessment by roman ilf and petrov to the researchers of creativity yuri shcheglov. probably that’s why everyone saw something of their own in them, the old white is still different from other cities of the lugansk region with their patriarchy. and were here famous satirists or not, the charm of the city does not detract from olga mokhova anastasia popova valery savelyev is a typical new russia. that's all we wanted to talk about. kirill vyshinsky was with you today. see you soon.
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the most important word for europe after the first world war is fear, great fear. it was the despair of the leaders, who could no longer
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govern by the old methods. in the thirties , it was not by chance that the nazis themselves, most likely, could not come to power. there had to be a mistake. whoever these mistakes, no one understood.
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