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march the chinese worldview, and it is at the heart
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of politics, is a thing. mysterious words are only a shelter for meaning, and as in mysterious eastern aphorisms, they erase and eliminate themselves themselves, forcing them to listen to the smallest nuance of meanings and, ultimately, to the silence that surrounds them, writes a domestic whaler. vladimir malyavin, while in the chinese school of international relations we are dealing with a comprehensive allegory, when what is said always implies a different and even opposite meaning, despair embraces. true, in order to understand the chinese soul , let's turn to a subtle sign. vyacheslav fishermen. chief researcher at the institute of oriental manuscripts of the academy of sciences in st. petersburg. vyacheslav mikhailovich is not only an outstanding specialist. medieval china, but also the writer at the beginning of the century, was read by many
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ironic fantasy detectives authored by the great euro-chinese humanist holm wanzichik, the action took place in a fictional country. ordus horde plus rus , which arose once as a result of the merger of the golden horde of russia and the chinese empire , and this multicultural amalgam has existed until today in an extravagant way. there were hiding two orientalists. vyacheslav rybakov and igor alimov well, who else does he ask about russian-chinese plexus vyacheslav mikhailovich as a chinese saw the world in the past centuries and millennia. he is for him that hostile neutral and in general he is interested in him two and a half thousand years ago for the chinese. as a matter of fact, their country was the world. and everything else was already somewhere beyond the line here. for a traditional chinese, the sky is round and the earth is a square, and here
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is the fact that the corners of the square are not covered with a round sky. that's where everyone else lives, except for the chinese. therefore, of course, they perceived the outer world, not like that. self equal hostile or equal friendly, but just like the periphery on the other side. e in china, as a rule, especially when the central government was stable, and it could organize the work of the agricultural complex, so to speak, on a national scale. e well , the population grew very quickly and it became more and more difficult to feed it, therefore, the chinese developed historically over many centuries, very great pragmatism. here's every single sliver, every single stalk, every single. excuse me, but this is very important for the agricultural side. each as a poop should go in business and due to at least these two factors i
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ventured to suggest that for a normal average chinese, the outside world. it's something like. a large warehouse of recyclable spare parts where to look, maybe with some apprehension, but mostly very curiosity, what can be used there? what can be taken for this and with the help of this to help enrich oneself, one's family and one's country, because for the chinese, family and country are thanks to confucianism, historically there were also very close concepts and, probably, many people know that in fact, the modern e, the name that is used to designate the states of china consists of two hieroglyphs go that used to start. well , let's just say the destiny that you gave to your close ones, going, that is, the family. here, then, the state is a family, if translated literally and without going into details.
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well, if this is a warehouse, you need their spare parts, probably, there should be a craving for profiting there to take spare parts in their hands, in other words , the expansionists, and the chinese are inherent in some regions nearby to themselves, which included in the chinese arians, realizing quietly century, the chinese, of course, always tried to pull inside their own borders. let's say there are cases when, due to the fact that it is necessary to conquer , for example, entire dynasties broke korea, and the power changed, because, uh, the emperor had to prove that he was worthy to rule under heaven, and therefore draw in all the peripheral states that would be ours according to the calendar and, so to speak , writing in culture. it was really quite a long time. and it seems to be you can say in european expansion, but the fact that they were not perceived as their own was completely uninteresting to them and, again, a well-known
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case when, decades before columbus , the chinese are much more confident in fact in terms of shipping from the point of view. uh, the ability to build large ships went out into the ocean. and they sailed to madagascar. yes, africa was not organized anywhere. no permanent colonies were conquered. they came, they took curiosities , they tried to demonstrate the flag, and that was the end of it, and in general, when the emperor the only one in all the millennia of imperial china, carried away by the expansion of knowledge about the world , died. and the same conversions said. why overstrain the forces of the people, we don’t need this and this idea was abandoned, that is , expansion in the european sense is not characteristic of the chinese, the chinese have long and with great pleasure moved to
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work in different countries of the world. there they really settled down and could live, but they did not conquer anything, they did not draw anything into their political borders and the chinese millionaires. unlike the well-known we were earning in a foreign land, and the money was dumped home from what you described , it’s clear why the chinese liked it so much, globalization has opened up access to spare parts has become quite free, just try the world. actually he comes to you. yes, yes, he came to you. and you just work with him , the chinese never talk about alliances. why for many centuries equal? states in that corner of eurasia, separated from the rest of the world by mountains, mountains and deserts and the ocean , there were no states equal to it in terms of military strength they were and even sometimes conquered, but they very quickly became akitaized, cultivated, and
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in general, china still remained the pinnacle on which they were guided. even those who brought it allies. often there were when china was fragmented 2,500 years ago. that's when a single country broke up into the so-called , roughly speaking, very conditional for european feudal principalities. here they made alliances with each other, pieces of china made alliances with pieces of china, these were alliances of equals and with those who live outside under heaven it is pointless to load them, you can use them, you can even call foreign steppe dwellers to defeat their own peasants, who rebelled if the government did not have enough of their own forces, but this was not a union at all. . they understood that it was coming, because uh, they didn't think for years they thought for decades, as far as i can imagine, and therefore the union
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as such is a rather pointless exercise, because in fact, unions are based on european. this is european politics, in general, by and large, while the union is being concluded, this is a veiled division of future booty, and when the booty is received , politics is the ability to gracefully evade the obligations assumed and take more from this booty than it was. china is provided for by this alliance - this has never been necessary and therefore the concept of an ally, of course, is abstract, but i even had an article such once allies are not on paper. it's not that we will conclude an union or not, most likely , do not conclude. it's even good, because e freedom of hands some remains freedom of maneuver. but the fact that
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we have the same internal political tasks with the chinese, namely, again, to declare a market, as the chinese tried in the thirties of the 20th century. tried twice. after the seventeenth year and before the revolution of the seventeenth year and in the nineties, we became chinese and it is clear to us that if we simply rely only on the market, the country will be sold instantly, in bulk and into a parent, and building an effective modern capitalist economy can only be based on then, as capitalist values, the so-called eternal and the same task - the same thing, this is a ravine before us and before the chinese. who is the enemy for the chinese the chinese have no a priori enemies. there is a culture in which someone is calm for a century, they have been appointed an enemy, and since you pull the chinese, as far as i can imagine,
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there is no such thing. on the other hand they are. very sensible and again pragmatic towards enemies. if they already arose related, here, uh, now it has become fashionable to quote supposedly confucius or just some kind of chinese wisdom, which actually has nothing to do with confucius. here i will quote confucius, actually close to the text, of course, not by heart. you do not take, but a book, but in my opinion, this is from the fourteenth chapter, and confucius was asked how you would feel about answering good in spite. confucius answered. what then is the answer to kindness? you need to respond to good with good, and you need to respond to evil and it goes on, a stunning very ambiguous hieroglyph, g which, in general, means direct frankness of criminality and most commentators agree that it must be interpreted in this context as
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repay exactly the same in european would say adequately and in our opinion in russian in fairness. the concept of justice, of course, is rather vague, but in principle, we understand, what is it about to ask anyone, the definition will not give, but to feel and feel. let's say. uh , deviated a bit. for a european , the concept of social progress, as far as i understand, is an increase in the amount of freedom , so if yesterday it was impossible, but today social progress can take place. therefore, in order to when society stagnates, to portray that the process of progress is taking place, it is necessary to give some absolutely insane freedoms that, in principle, have already been tabooed for centuries simply because they are harmful to human existence. as you can see, by the way, for both russians and chinese , as far as i can always understand, progress
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is an increase in the amount of justice ; it is very difficult to weigh it, but again, intuitively. we all understand what it is about. and by the way, answering more, let's have one more answer to your question. and i can say that, probably for the chinese, the enemy is the one who is unfair. on november 14, 1860 , the russian envoy to china, nikolai ignatiev, and the chinese grand duke gunsei wang signed the beijing treaty. he is the beijing treatise that established the eastern border between countries in the tin empire, raged, the second opium war. anglo-french troops stood at the gates of beijing and circumstances forced the chinese diplomats to agree with ignatiev's proposals. a year later , a protocol appeared with maps describing demarcations. the border was drawn by red lines, along the chinese bank of the amur ussuri and the channels
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of the kazakivich, so the rivers became completely russian, despite the periodic conflicts that arose, such as in 1929 on the chinese eastern railway. soviet russia as a whole supported the new chinese government of the chinese railways, all the more so. i still had to sell after the capture of northeastern china by the japanese invaders, but in general, after the end of the war in the first half of the fifties , territorial issues were not raised only after the 20th congress of the cpsu and the debunking of the cult of stalin's relationship. mao and khrushchev deteriorated beijing began to claim rights to the disputed territories in february of the sixty-fourth year, negotiations began to demonstrate the border, but they were not crowned with success, the peak of the confrontation was the sixty -ninth year, when a conflict broke out between soviet and
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chinese border guards on the ussuri river on the island of damascus in september on the 69th, the head of the soviet government, alexei kosygin, left for china after meeting with the prime minister at the beijing airport state council of the people's republic of china zhou ein the conflict was frozen and only in may 1991. an agreement was signed in moscow. and the border along which the exchange of territories took place, the adaman and kerch islands ceded to china, the beijing treaty established the border not in the middle of the river, as is usually customary, but along the chinese coast, as a result, all the small islands and shoals that could exist for only half a year, and then disappear under water were considered russian in october 2004 . vladimir putin signed a document on final demarcation of the border. she passed in the middle of the river and the conflict was settled.
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we now have many disputes about ideology. is it necessary in general and what kind of ideology do the chinese have with this? in principle, the core of any ideology is the core. this is a world in which we would like to live, how to improve the world around us, the europeans built their utopias in great detail. and therefore the utopia of the chinese is very simple; there were so -called utopias of flight. that is, he went somewhere and fell into a gap. and there somewhere in a cave there live people who are uh happy officials. eh, enough food. they are all friendly to each other, they are all one big family, but still it is no more than one or two weeks. naturally. that's all this one, but utopias of management. they are very simple since the time of confucius with this children under the care of well-groomed
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widows and pains and old people who are fed by their young relatives. that, in fact, is everything from one classical composition to another , this small, modest human set. it is, in general, with slight variations and is repeated one of the most lively and elaborate parts of the chinese utopia was that that all this is happening due to the fact that this society is run by decent, educated, very responsible officials who are worried about their service honor. here is worth only such people come to power. and this utopia will be realized. here is another ideology. well, the question is, put it to you in another, as from the second idea of ​​​​the state, described more than 20 years ago, is it not towards that, generally speaking, we
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are going to interpenetrate. this is happening ardus will no longer be. this is understandable, firstly, it was still a game of the mind, and secondly, but in order for this kind of integration to, uh , have at least some chance to occur. they should have happened 10-12 eight centuries ago, because these are the processes of such interpenetration. they are very long lasting . sometimes painful, but sometimes fruitful, but in any case they occupy more than one generation, several generations of people must get used to each other. uh, to understand each other to do something together and be responsible for the result together. what they are doing. that's when something can happen now impudently, as we often did. here is a miracle for him to raise virgin soil by tomorrow. the chinese would not call such a thing to themselves. although,
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of course, there were sparrows to kill directly, but it was such a paroxysm that the chinese. generally not typical. they work. eh, long diligently and for a long time the result should be strong, but not so. here's how it is now planned breakdowns through the end of the warranty period. you did not grow up on three kingdoms and not on the pulse of the line, but still on e, the daughters of montezuma and on the children of captain blood and on the three musketeers well, this will get you nowhere many generations to go, there is no getting away from it. our face is turned there, therefore, of course, the assimilation of culture. although, of course, it happens and there are enthusiasts in various social strata. but it is still not numerous. and probably on mine. in my life, so to speak, such people will not become numerous after all. yes , and it would be strange if they did, it is very
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specific. means of course, it’s hard for the chinese to rush into friendship with us, because well, after all, uh, the communist party communist parties and business is business and headlong to rush into the allies of those who turn out to be patanctions themselves. eh, a sane businessman will not want to, and he can be understood, and the party is unlikely to be able to quickly force him to do this, he can be persuaded to stimulate somehow, but this is also a very long process and this process is not spiritual , it is a process of gaining benefits. we, of course, and our opponents are very stimulating this, now we are afraid of the chinese, that it was not in vain that your question was about expansion. they took everything for themselves. oh, they will reach the urals. oh at all we will actually be here, if we are mugs and loafers, then, of course, sooner
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or later. we'll be a target appendage. not europe, america, but china will work here and marry us. it's okay in this world, decent people are diligent and, in general, often. eh, quite. stronger. thank you, well, arduse, vyacheslav rybakov. we are not promised. but the brotherhood of independent dervishes of the characters in van bunny's 2001 novel came true with amazing accuracy. who has not read. for russia, a breakthrough in chinese in the direction of a promising opportunity, but also a challenge to say that we understand our huge neighbor well, we know how and are ready to work with him. it means that fears of asymmetry in relations, excessive dependence on a strong partner, are not an invention, but in no case will the sentence cope, you can almost completely have a desire. our relations
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need a quick transition to a higher level, pragmatism and efficiency. in general , this is a long historical process, but our hopes are connected with the younger generation precisely the young always determine the future of international relations. i hope that the decisions that our leaders will make will attract young elites. friendship between china and russia should be passed on from one generation to another this week's news. one is a fence, the other is an international criminal court. i decided to shake the old days, like a herald and themis eyes, which, well, are completely tied up . great britain will give ukraine armor-piercing shells with a uranium core in france , pogroms, because president macron raised the retirement age bypassing parliament. yes, even and trump, supposedly will soon be arrested, as you rightly noticed. karabas barabas by vladimir etush. it's just a holiday of some kind in a week we will continue it. there was an international
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spain in the late 19th early 20th century. that's how she lived on what she robbed in the colony. so, she suddenly found herself without these colonies and she had nothing left. franca was different first of all, by the desire for order, and he began to enforce his order by the most severe methods. he had to carry out combat missions, if he had not been able to transfer moroccan troops to spain, then it is not known what could happen, the soviet union considered spain as a distraction of germany and its allies on the fields of spain, we are fighting, we will win one death others also death.
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vladimir putin held an operational meeting of the security council and the president also met with state duma speaker vyacheslav volodin. what was discussed at these meetings? the russian military occupy advantageous positions consistently during the course of a special military operation.

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