tv RIK Rossiya 24 RUSSIA24 March 25, 2023 2:30am-3:01am MSK
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and you and i have one winner, we need victory of any color. the chinese worldview, and it is at the heart of politics, is a thing. mysterious words are only a shelter for meaning and, like in mysterious eastern aphorisms, they erase themselves, forcing them to listen to the smallest nuance of meanings and in the end account of the silence surrounding them is written by a domestic whaler. vladimir malyavin, and in the chinese school of international relations, we are dealing with a comprehensive allegory, when what is said always implies a different and
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even opposite meaning . true, in order to understand the chinese soul , we turn to a subtle sign. vyacheslav fishermen. chief researcher at the institute of oriental manuscripts of the academy of sciences in st. petersburg. vyacheslav mikhailovich is not only an outstanding specialist. straight to china but also a writer at the turn of the century. many read ironic fantasy detectives, authored by holm, the great euro-chinese humanist. van bunny action took place in a fictional country. ordus horde plus russia which arose once as a result of the merger of the golden horde of russia and the chinese empire. and this multicultural amalgam has existed until today , two orientalists were hiding behind an extravagant image of a bunny. vyacheslav fishermen. igor alimov well, who else
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does vyacheslav mikhailovich ask about the russian-chinese plexus, how did a chinese see the world in past centuries and millennia. he for him that hostile neutral in general, he was interested in him two and a half thousand years ago for the chinese. as a matter of fact, their country was. and everything else was already somewhere beyond the line here. for a traditional chinese, the sky is round and the earth is a square, and here is the fact that the corners of the square are not covered with a round sky, that 's where everyone else lives, except for the chinese. therefore, of course, they perceived the outer world, not like that. peer hostile or peer friendly, but just like the periphery on the other side. e in china is generally, especially when sustained there was a central government, and it could organize the work of the agricultural complex, so to speak, on a national scale. e well
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, the population grew very quickly and it became more and more difficult to feed it, therefore, the chinese developed historically over many centuries, very great pragmatism. here is every sliver, every every stalk, every one. excuse me, but this is very important for an agricultural country. every poop has to go to work, and due to at least these two factors, i ventured to suggest that for a normal average chinese outside world. it's something like. a large warehouse of recyclable spare parts where to look, maybe with some apprehension, but mostly very curiosity, what can be used there? what can be taken for this and with the help of this help to enrich oneself to one’s family and one’s country, because for the chinese, family and country
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are thanks to confucianism, historically there were also very close concepts and, probably, many people know that, in fact, modern e, the name that is used to designate the states of china consists of two hieroglyphs go which had started earlier. well , let's just say the destiny that you gave to your close ones, going, that is, the family. here, then, the state is a family, if translated literally and without going into details. well, if this is a warehouse of the necessary spare parts, there should probably be a craving for profiting there to take spare parts into the hands, in other words, the expansionists, and the chinese have some regions nearby to themselves, which were part of the chinese arians, or as it is the century, the chinese, of course , always tried to draw inside their own boundaries. let's say famous cases, when, due to the fact that it is necessary to conquer, for example, entire dynasties broke down korea, and power changed, because the emperor had to prove that he was worthy
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to rule under heaven, and therefore draw in all the peripheral states that seem to be ours both according to the calendar and on so say writing on culture. it was really quite a long time. and it seems to be possible to say in european expansion, but the fact that they were not perceived as their own was completely uninteresting to them and, again, a well-known case when, decades before columbus the chinese are much more confident in fact in terms of shipping from the point of view. uh, the ability to build large ships went out into the ocean. and they sailed to madagascar. yes, africa was not organized anywhere. no permanent colonies were conquered. they came, they took curiosities , they tried to demonstrate the flag, and that was the end of it, and in general, when the emperor , the only one in all the millennia of imperial
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china, who was keen on expanding knowledge about the world , died. and the same conversions said. why overstrain the forces of the people we do not need this and this idea was abandoned, that is , expansion in the european sense is not characteristic of the chinese. the chinese have been moving to work in different countries of the world for a very long time and with great pleasure. there they really settled down and could live, but they did not conquer anything, they did not draw anything into their political borders and the chinese millionaires. unlike those known to us, they earned money in a foreign land, and the money was dumped home from what you described, it’s clear why the chinese liked it so much, globalization has opened everything access to spare parts has become quite free , just try the world. actually he comes to you. yes, yes, he came to you. and you
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just work with him, the chinese never talk about alliances. why for many centuries equal? the states in that corner of eurasia, separated from the rest of the world by mountains, mountains and deserts and an ocean , had no states equal to it in terms of military strength and were even sometimes conquered. which guided even those who conquered the allies. often there were when china was fragmented 2,500 years ago. that's when a single country broke up into the so-called rudely speaking, very conventionally for a european feudal principality. here they made alliances with each other, pieces of china made alliances with pieces of china, these were alliances of equals and with those who live outside the celestial empire it is pointless to load them , you can use them
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, you can even call other people's steppe dwellers to defeat their own peasants who rebelled if they the government lacked its own forces, but it was no union. it was just to spoil the hiring, if you like, you could do with a piece of sovereignty. they knew it was coming because, uh , they didn't think for years, they thought for decades, as far as i can tell myself , and so union as such is pretty pointless, because unions are really european. this is european politics, in general, by and large , this is while the union is being concluded, this is a veiled division of future production, and when the booty is received, politics is the ability to beautifully get away from the obligations assumed and take more from this booty than it was.
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china is provided for by this alliance - this was never necessary and therefore the concept of an ally, of course, in the abstract, exists, but i even had an article like this once, allies are not on paper . it’s not that we will conclude the union or not , most likely , do not conclude. it's even good, because e freedom of hands some remains freedom of maneuver. but the fact that we have the same tasks inside political with by the chinese, namely, again, to declare a market, as the chinese tried in the thirties of the xx century. tried twice. after the seventeenth year and before the revolution of the seventeenth year and in the nineties, we became chinese and we understand that if we simply rely only on the market, the country will be sold instantly, wholesale and retail, and it is possible to build an effective modern capitalist economy only based on
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how capitalist values, the so -called eternal ones, and the same task - the same one and this is what is before us and before ravine by the chinese. who is the enemy for the chinese the chinese have no a priori enemies. there is a culture in which someone in such a century was appointed an enemy, and since you pull the chinese, as far as i can imagine , there is no such thing, on the other hand they are. very sensible and again pragmatic towards enemies. if they already arose related, well, now it has become fashionable to quote supposedly confucius or just some chinese wisdom, which in fact has nothing to do with confucius. here i quote confucius is actually close to the text, of course, not by heart. you do not take, but a book, but in my opinion, this is from the fourteenth chapter, langels, and confucius was asked how you would feel about answering good in spite.
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confucius answered. what then is the answer to kindness? you need to respond to good with good, and you need to respond to evil and it goes on, a stunning very ambiguous hieroglyph in g which e, in general, means direct frankness, straight out and most commentators agree that this should be interpreted in this context as repay in accuracy exactly the same in european they would say adequately and in our opinion in russian in fairness. the concept of justice , of course, is rather vague, but, in principle, we understand, what is it about to ask anyone, the definition will not give, but to feel and feel. let's say. uh , deviated a bit. for a european , the concept of social progress, as far as i understand, is an increase in the amount of freedom , so if yesterday it was impossible, but today social progress can take place. therefore, in order to
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portray the fact that the process of progress is taking place when society stagnates, it is necessary to give some completely insane freedoms that, in principle, have already been tabooed for centuries simply because they are harmful to human existence. as you can see, by the way, for both russians and chinese , as far as i can understand, progress is an increase in the amount of justice ; it is very difficult to weigh it, but again, intuitively . we all understand what it is about. and by the way, answering more, let's have one more answer to your question. and i can say that, probably for the chinese, the enemy is the one who is unfair. on november 14, 1860, the russian envoy to china , nikolai ignatiev, and the chinese grand duke gunsei wang signed the beijing treaty. he is the beijing treatise that established
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the eastern border between countries in the tin empire, raged, the second opium war. the anglo-french troops stood at the gates of the rekin and circumstances forced the chinese diplomats to agree with ignatiev's proposals. a year later , a protocol appeared with maps describing the delimitations . thus the rivers became completely russian, despite the occasional conflicts that arose, such as in 1929 on the chinese eastern railway. soviet russia as a whole supported the new chinese authorities of the chinese railways, all the more so. i still had to sell after the capture of northeastern china by the japanese invaders, but in general, after the end of the war in the first half of the fifties , territorial issues were not raised until after the twentieth congress of the cpsu and the debunking
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of the stalin cult of relations. mao and khrushchev beijing began to claim rights to the disputed territories in february of the sixty -fourth year, negotiations began on the demarcation of the border, but they were unsuccessful ; head of the soviet government aleksein went to china. after a meeting at the beijing airport with the premier of the state council of the people's republic of china, zhou ailein, the conflict was frozen and only in may 1991 an agreement was signed in moscow. and the border along which the exchange of territories took place, the adaman and kerkinsky islands went to china, the beijing treaty established the border not in the middle of the river , as is usually customary, but along the chinese coast, as a result
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, all the small islands and shoals that could exist for only half a year, and then disappear under water were considered russian in october 2004. vladimir putin signed a document on the final demarcation of the border. she passed in the middle of the river and the conflict was settled. we have a lot of discussions about ideology. is it necessary in general and what kind of ideology do the chinese have with this? in principle, the core of any ideology is the core. this is a world in which we would like to live, how to improve the world around us, the europeans built their utopias in great detail. and therefore the utopia of the chinese is very simple; there were so-called utopias of flight. that is, he went
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somewhere and fell into a gap. and there, somewhere in a cave, people live who, uh, are happy . they live without officials. eh, enough food. they are all friendly to each other, they are all one big family, but still it is no more than one two doors. naturally. that's all this one, but utopias of management. they are very simple since the time of confucius with this children under the care of well-groomed widows and beans were and the old people who were fed by their young relatives. that, in fact, is everything from one classical composition to another , this small, modest human set. it is, in general, with slight variations and is repeated one of the most vivid and elaborate parts of the chinese utopia was that all this happens because this society is run by decent, highly educated responsible
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officials who are worried about their official honor. here is worth only such people come to power. and this utopia will be realized. that's the whole ideology. well , the question is, to you in a different hypostasis, as with the author. the ideas of the state, described more than 20 years ago, are we, generally speaking, going to interpenetration. this is happening ardus will no longer be. this is understandable, firstly, it was still a game of the mind, and secondly, but in order for this kind of integration, uh, to have at least some chance arise, they should have happened 10 12 8 centuries ago, because these are the processes of such interpenetration. they are very long lasting. sometimes painful, but sometimes fruitful, but in any case
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they occupy more than one generation, several generations of people must get used to each other . uh, to understand each other to do something together and be responsible for the result together. what they are doing. that's when something can happen now impudently, as we often did. here is a miracle for him to raise virgin soil by tomorrow. the chinese would not like this called. although, of course, there were sparrows to kill directly, but it was such a paroxysm that the chinese. generally not typical. they work. eh, long diligently and for a long time the result should be strong, but not so. here's how it is now planned breakdowns through the end of the warranty period. you did not grow up on three kingdoms and not on the pulse of the line, but still on e, the daughters of montezuma and the children of captain blood and the three musketeers well , this will not go anywhere for many generations, this will not go anywhere. we are face to face
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there, therefore, of course, the assimilation of culture. although, of course, it happens and there are enthusiasts in various social strata. but it is still not numerous. and probably on mine. in my life, so to speak, such people will not become numerous after all. yes, and it would be strange if they did, it is very specific. means of course, it is also hard for the chinese to rush into friendship with us, because, well, after all, the communist party of the communist party and business is business and rush headlong. uh, allies to those who, by means of patanctions and themselves turns out to be kidnappings. eh, an explosive businessman will not want to, and he can be understood, and the party is unlikely to be able to quickly force him to this, he can be persuaded to stimulate somehow, but this is also a very long process and this process is not spiritual
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, it is a process of gaining benefits. we, of course, and our opponents are very stimulating this, now we are afraid of the chinese, that it was not in vain that your question was about expansion. they took everything for themselves. oh, they will reach the urals. oh , in general, we will actually be here, if we are mugs and loafers, then, of course, earlier or later. we will be a raw material appendage. not europe, america, but china will work here and marry us. it's okay in this world, decent people are diligent and, in general, often. eh, quite. stronger. thank you, well, arduse, vyacheslav rybakov. we are not promised. and here is the brotherhood of independent dervishes of the characters of the novel. wang bunny 2001 came true with amazing accuracy for fun, no one read it. for russia, a breakthrough in the chinese
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direction is a promising opportunity, but also a challenge to say that we understand well we know how to work with a huge neighbor and are ready to work with him. it means that fears of asymmetry in relations, excessive dependence on a strong partner, are not an invention, but in no case will the sentence cope, it would be possible to almost all of this if there was a desire. our relations need a quick transition to a higher level, pragmatism and efficiency. in general , this is a long historical process, but our hopes are connected with the younger generation, it is the young who always determine the future of international relations. i hope that the solution which will take our leaders will attract the young elite. friendship between china and russia should be passed on from one generation to another this week's news. one is a fence, the other is an international criminal court. i decided to shake the old days, as they say, and themis
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eyes, which, well, are completely tied up . great britain will give ukraine armor-piercing shells with a uranium core in france , pogroms, because president macron raised the retirement age bypassing parliament. and also trump. jacob will soon be arrested, how true, i noticed karabas-barabas through the mouth of vladimir etush. it's just a holiday of some kind in a week we will continue it. there was an international review, goodbye. aksai markets, larger than the infamous stolichnaya cherkizon, worked like clockwork, representatives of the fsb suspected co-owners of the market. here we are in millions. i am not the new russian and old soviet engineer of the friendly businessman karim babaev and the former head of the aksai district of the rostov region, vitaly barsenko. charged with organizing organized crime communities. the leninsky district court arrested
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the colony turned out to be first of all. if he had not been able to transfer moroccan troops to spain, then it is not known what could happen, the soviet union considered spain as a distraction of germany and its allies on the fields of spain, we are fighting without options will win some death others also death.
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the state of affairs in the electronic and radio-electronic industry, as well as the prospects for the development of the industry, this was discussed today at the operational meeting of the security council, having outlined the topic of the meeting. vladimir putin stressed that the attention of the authorities to her has been extremely high lately. we have a very important issue with you today. we are talking about the development of the electronic and radio-electronic industry for the period up to 2030.
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