they taught history in novorossiya. what and how will you have to retrain the conversation with the program expert, stargorod in the steppes of novorossia, in the footsteps of the heroes ilf and petrov , we talk a lot about the history of novorossia, but it should be said that a significant number of its current residents know this history in a completely different presentation, we are talking about those who have lived in the ukrainian part of these lands since 2014. who became citizens of russia quite recently. what kind of they were offered to see the history of the state, within the boundaries of which for centuries their ancestors lived. those who lived in the ukrainian part of the donbass in the kherson and zaporozhye regions were taught the history of ukraine, which , according to ukrainian historians, has been

a colony of oppressed russia since the 16th century. therefore, in textbooks. the pereyaslav rada, where the cossacks-khmelnitsky voluntarily swore allegiance to the moscow tsar, is only called ukraine the moscow treaty, and mazepa , who changed the oath and gave tsar peter , turns out to be a far-sighted ukrainian politician and fighter for the rights of the cossacks, if in soviet times the history of ukraine was outlined, as a process of struggle of the oppressed classes for their rights against capitalists and landlords without a specific nationality, then after independence it became a covert or overt struggle against russian and soviet colonialism. it is true that in tsarist times, that in soviet times in ukraine despite all the horrors of oppression, the population grew, new educational institutions were opened, plants and factories were built

, thanks to the development of the territory of novorossia , productivity increased, but there is little about this, but the focus is on tsarist repressions against ukrainian cultural and educational circles, and at the beginning of the 20th century, the desperate struggle of the bourgeois ukrainian people's republic with the bolsheviks of the russian occupation about the ukrainian bolsheviks during the civil war. shchors parkhomenko voroshilov on these pages is not a word among the main characters. petlyura grushevsky in the interwar period of mass industrialization, the stakhanov movement in the donbass fought against total illiteracy, casually almost nothing , but a lot of pro- tragic collectivization of the holodomor and mass repressions of the thirties, which became a real genocide ukrainian people, but the most important thing is

the total lies of the great patriotic war. rather, the second world war, domestic in ukraine, has not been called for a long time. although about 7 million fought in the ranks of the red army , ukrainians, the protagonist of the bandera textbooks, they collaborated with the german fascists, but according to the authors of the textbooks. it was a cunning trick so the nationalists got weapons and created the basis for their ukrainian insurgent army withholding the truth about how the militants at the end of the war and the first post-war years. for every army killed activists from the local population of the same ukrainians in western ukraine. only with different views. somehow very similar to what happened in the donbass after 2014 , more about how history was taught in the ukrainian part of novorossiya. and what is being done today to change these distorted

ideas in the plot of anna efimova zaporizhia region, the walls of the melitopol state university are lectures by leading russian scientists of the holodomor. the history of the development of the wild field collaborationism on the territory of soviet ukraine in a word on the net topics on which russian and ukrainian historiography traditionally has different views. you are young people, you should just be interested in viktor kondrashin, a world-famous scientist , the largest expert on the topic of the russian peasantry of the 20th century. for several decades, he has been studying the history of the famine of the thirties in the ussr, he lectured at universities in the usa , italy, japan and other countries, but now it is important to convey information. there is somewhere most needed in the liberated territories. the reality was not the genocide of the ukrainian people. it was a total tragedy all the peoples of the soviet union who lived in this era of accelerated industrialization and bread and resources.

where they were, or else they are on the principle that they are ukrainians , that this is the russian language, oh the position is shared by the majority, the vast majority of foreign researchers on this topic, the mass famine of the thirties, which engulfed vast territories of the ussr not only ukraine but also the north caucasus the urals of the volga region, southern siberia and kazakhstan claimed the lives of several million peasants and certainly. this is a huge tragedy, but the focus has become on the victims of repression against the supposedly separately taken ukrainian peasantry. historians of the independent traditionally omit other facts, for example, that the largest grain resources for the sowing company for 33 years were allocated to the ukrainian ussr, so a living myth was born, 11 it is also a propaganda weapon directed against the peoples. uh, inhabiting here are our countries, our regions, our republics to disunite the peoples of the former ussr and this myth is being introduced not only in ukraine, it is being actively introduced, for example, in kazakhstan now

melitopol moscow is separated by 1,000 km. however it was not the distance that interrupted the scientific dialogue between russian and ukrainian scientists, but the students as well. after the maidan of the fourteenth year, all contacts began to systematically come to naught. so, now they have to be restored bit by bit today in the walls. rggu alma mater of many famous scientists. they talk about how important it is to build bridges again, both between faculty and students. in the auditorium of the university, there are lectures on the topic of mythologization of history around individual events in the history of the traditionally independent there are many speculations to separate the wheat from the chaff, a difficult task can only be solved by referring to historical sources, it is historical sources that refute many tales of ukrainian myth-making, for example, that it was the ukrainian language that was the main language in russia, although not a single document of those times was created in ukrainian, according to in fact, only in the 19th century. it was never found either that the uprising of bogdan

khmelnitsky and the pereslavl rada were a cunning plan of the moscow tsar, who dreamed of splitting great ukraine even then and of course, where without the glorification of the nationalists from ufa, who allegedly were not collaborators at all, but fought alone at once with everyone and against hitler and against stalin, everything. this flooded textbooks with outright lies told by university departments and the main thing was not subjected to any doubts, perhaps this is the main mistake. if we are talking about high-quality historical education, probably, in critical thinking, this is what they teach at the faculty of history. this is one of the main abilities of the historian and even our teachers always tell us that we should critically comprehend both what they say and what we read , rsuh teacher ivan kulakov recently returned from melitopol, however , he knows about the standards of ukrainian education for a long time and not by hearsay, because at one time he himself graduated school in the then ukrainian crimea, ivan says that if the dpr and

the lpr are now integrating faster. still, in 8 years, the republics managed to create strong ties with russian universities and research centers, then establishing contacts with recently liberated territories. this is a longer and more laborious process, but quite feasible. and there are people who are ready to organize these processes at the youth level. we are currently working on the creation of a branch of the youth club in the zaporozhye region. there are guys. they themselves turned to us with a request with a proposal, and to open such a cell, by the way, melitopol state university, created on the basis of several former ukrainian institutions at once, became the first university in the liberated territories that received a russian state accreditation, which means that the right to issue diplomas is being carried out and, uh, there are a lot of schoolchildren who have not yet formed. here is the university а consciousness on ukrainian materials on ukrainian radical books and from them а from

the amazing generation of schoolchildren who enter the university, uh, freshmen and sophomores. and, of course, they need to form real specialists. well, in ukraine, for years, the younger generation has been molded into something else as an asset for protests. everyone remembers who does not jump, that muscovite. and of course, referring to the history of the third reich , the slogan, ukraine is above the mustache, that is, ukraine is above all. youth is the weak link. this is our weak link. in what sense e reformat? eh, consciousness is very easy in a young man. eh, while he has not yet formed as a personality and conveyor hitler jungent, just like that in direct words. i call it working flawlessly from the other side, and what is happening in ukraine right now is yes. this reformatted consciousness is precisely among

schoolchildren and students. and on this distortion history works as a huge political resource. both in ukraine itself and beyond its borders. recently, for example, another country recognized the holodomor as genocide of the ukrainian people. belgium before that, a similar decision was made by the united states, australia, germany, bulgaria , poland, portugal, and the european parliament as a whole. but this is in every sense a completely different story . anna and again valery anastasia popova is a typical novorossia. about how the teaching of the humanities was organized . in novorossia in ukrainian times , we will talk with our permanent expert historian political scientist rostislav, ishchenko rostislav good afternoon. good afternoon rostislav e. how the entire humanitarian block has changed. uh, in novorossiya its contents. i mean in ukrainian times. well, i would say that

after all, i changed not only in novorossia, because it is a tragedy, in general, for everything and ukraine as a result of this change. eh, these changes have grown even more than one several without literate generations. you are literature. she's just, so to speak. in quotation marks enriched by an additional number of ukrainian authors and from there they started uh. yes, and from there they began to gradually squeeze out the authors of even such , say, malaya russian or all-russian gogol. yes, bulgakov was still considered a ukrainian writer. and gogol was no longer there, in my opinion, it was almost even taught in translations. yes, and gogol was translated earlier than alexander sergeevich pushkin into the ukrainian language and taras bulba, who spoke the russian land. power all the time. this phrase ukrainian came to ukrainian. yes, there was not a single mention of russian. yeah uh perverted friend each other overlap, yes. that person simply

loses the connecting thread between the past and the present. and if we talk about history, then there is its own, combining, the greatest tragedy. yes, because there the historians of the cpsu became historians of ukraine instantly. well, history is an ideological discipline. they decided that we are simply taking off one ideology, like a jacket and another thing in the classics of marxism. they don’t fit anymore, but bandera and mekhnovsky can’t be quoted yet. petliura seems to be, as it is impossible to mean these families and iodophobe, louder and so on boss, that was. as a matter of fact, the ideologist and father of such a ukrainian theory, but the fact is that grushevsky lacks the language of the soul more than a historian, not idiologists . so, i will remind you twice that the person who told about atlantis is talking about the fact that jesus christ

is ukrainian. this means that he now has much more discovery than he had before. i say opening in quotation marks. yes, he continues to talk about this very great ukrainian emperor. bogdan genghis khan there and so on he has a discovery that is not a day, but the most important thing is that the professor back means that his research was published in the newspaper golos ukrainy , which was the main parliamentary newspaper of the country, that is, in the words of professor bebik, he immediately indulged great sacred meaning. i understand that in the fourteenth year they became obligatory, because all the textbooks, er, everything, do not fit into this scheme. uh, the fact is that everything is manifested long before of the fourteenth year, a textbook in which it was written to black and white children that the ukrainian nation is 140,000 years old, despite the fact that a modern-looking person appeared about

40-50,000 years ago, which means that ukrainians were somewhere comparable in age to neanderthals , and moreover, that they wrote it and at school it still fell on the conscience of the teacher, and he could teach in this way, but he could teach differently and it really became obligatory only after the fourteenth year, when she began to write denunciations of teachers and they began to come from the sbu or arrest them for teaching history wrong. before that, somehow scroll. it was possible for schoolchildren to receive this in the course of literature in the course of history. this heresy was constantly on television in the newspapers. there, in books, and so on and so forth, that is, they fell on them from all sides, so to speak. new history was marginalized for several generations in a row, that is, they have such an idea of ​​​​history. why it was very important to reformat the historical memory in general, how successful this was done in ukraine. well, i would not say reformatting to kill historical memory, because i already once

faked some statements. yes, to become a ukrainian, said the ukrainians of nationality, one must kill the russian in oneself. and what to see in yourself as a russian in the first place to kill historical memory? that is, how, uh, in this work of the great kazakh classic , become a mankurt, yes, in a wonderful way. you should have forgotten who are your ancestors? i had to forget the history of my own people. and what now in novorossiya to do with this hmm cultural-historical heritage in quotation marks, how to get rid of it, because it's not even just a change of textbooks. this is already embedded in the consciousness of a truly whole, at least a generation should publish normal textbooks. you have to lecture. it is necessary to publish books , literature, it is necessary to provide coverage for the educational program of television, there and so on. so, again, in the spoiled

generations. not everyone will return to normal. simply because a person's character is formed there somewhere over the years up to twenty, and often earlier and then it is already very difficult for him to change his mind. here are some people. i think that the big one will return to normal, and their children and grandchildren will already grow up normal. and this is basically what you need to consider. we have normal textbooks. we have normal stories. we have. red literature all this must be published in mass circulations to promote accessibility to ensure propaganda , including on television in social networks wherever possible, for the new generation to grow up surrounded by the new one. mm, new ideas. well, maybe they are not so new, because, in principle, we return them to the well-forgotten old. like you're back to normal, but they have to grow. here in this already new, so to speak cocoon, e , which will be completely denied, uh,

the ideology preceding nationality, which was inspired by their parents. thank you very much for a very interesting story. favorite books of the soviet intelligentsia, 12 chairs and the golden calf ilf and petrov adventures charming swindler stopabender, who chases treasures in gumps chairs and investigates the activities of the underground millionaire koreek, was carried away not only by unexpected plot twists , both novels painted a picture of soviet life and mores of the twenties depicted bright characters and types became a real encyclopedia of the life of the young soviet republic, the restless bender, along with his accomplices are always on the move. he either set off from the provinces to noisy moscow, then he sailed after

the elusive chairs on a steamboat along the volga either he made a rally along the steppe impassability, then after the loin he went to socialist construction sites in the desert of central asia. the chapters written in juicy and figurative language flew at lightning speed into quotes in soviet times, a successfully inserted phrase, such as hamite parnish or a tram. yes, they talked to them in moscow not only about the interlocutor's sense of humor, but also about belonging to the general circle of reading physicists, lyricists, it was good form to know the geography of the adventures of heroes in moscow, experts showed the old building of the newspaper beep voznesensky lane, in where the authors placed a hostel named after the vertold. schwartz the inhabitants of odessa were proud of the fact that in sunny chernomorsk where the millionaire lived. koreika was decommissioned from their city. in

kiev, they even erected a monument to panikovsky at the place where, according to the plot of the novel, he portrayed a blind cook. most argued. what city could become the prototype of the provincial stargorod of the very one where the reader is first introduced to comrade bender and in which the story actually begins, 12 chairs. many researchers believe that this is the starobilsk district center in the luhansk the republic of novorossiya more in the plot of olga mokhova went down in history long before the writing of the twelve chairs at the turn of the 16th-17th centuries, by decree of boris godunov , a fortress tsar was erected here in a wild field to protect the borders of the moscow kingdom from the raids of the crimean tatars. borisov tsarsky voevoda bogdan belsky , who was responsible for its construction for greater safety and already built on his own money on

the right bank of the river. aidar is another fortress in the sources several names appear white, belsk belsky boris godunov such a self-right uh, was very unhappy with all this uh. as a result, bohdan belsky's beard was plucked upon arrival. uh, which was considered a dishonor, and he was, uh, demoted there from well , sent into exile, as it were. e, nevertheless, e , on the run stopped partially, well, in some places the cossacks came here, the spirit of the cossack freemen and freedom vital in these parts , peasants from the central regions of russia fled here from the fire of the fortress, engaged in agriculture. sometimes they went on military campaigns in exchange for this, the cossacks did not give out discontent to their landlords peasants by class oppression at the beginning of the 18th century. the uprising of kondraty bulavin , famous for its cruelty, has outgrown, both the instigators and the tsarist authorities who suppressed it. here is the city

, uh, starobelsk, it was not yet a city, but a belsk settlement. it including shulgin cities were burned. uh, there's practically nothing left. only after 20 years , the foundation begins to settle first sloboda old white, and since 1.797, the city of starobelsk is an atypical settlement for the industrial donbass , this cubic agricultural town located at the crossroads of trade routes, it was famous for its four annual fairs of the christmas nikolaev spring, petrovsky summer and pokrovskaya autumn, and also the piety and patronage of local residents. in the summer of 1927 , at 11:30 a.m. , a young man entered from the direction of the village of chmarovka, stargorod. the monument to ostap bender, who entered stargorod, was erected in starobelsky on gogol square

in 2008 on the occasion of the eightieth anniversary of the first edition of 12 chairs strong man murovka, and in the time of ilf and petrov-chmarovka, it was really located to the north. now this is a suburb of starobilsk. this geographical coincidence made it possible for our local historians 15 years ago to engage in, so to speak, unwinding this story based on the results that came to such an interesting conclusion that literally a year before the start of work on the novel, 12 chairs, young correspondents of the all-union newspaper gudok and petrov visited 100 years ago, in starobelsk , the flower of russian literature gathered in the beep of the newspaper of the central committee of the trade union of railway workers 100 years ago. olesha kota and bulgakov the idea of ​​the plot of 12 chairs, literally hovered in the air in the room of the fourth page, where its employees ilya ilfa and yevgeny petrov printed their satirical materials, it certainly would not have happened.

if it weren’t for the beep, simply because they wouldn’t have taken this material from nowhere, because a lot of what there are 12 chairs in the golden calf taken from the correspondents of the worker correspondents, whose correspondents ilf arranged so brilliantly and knew this texture very well, well, at the same time, and of course, the texture of the entire nepman life of then russia was found by species in the process of searching for both similarities and the coincidence of a furnished room with furniture requisitioned from stinger houses, where capital correspondents allegedly stopped in a green car lauren dietrich, inherited from the starobilsk executive committee from the time of the unr and the german occupation. it supposedly has them on it. they did, however, moscow researchers do not share this confidence. in the twenty-sixth year, well, well, let's say, then why don't we find the corresponding

entry in ilf's diaries, and he is very careful moment. and why , respectively, the editors of the beep could send elves of petrov it was precisely stablesk, where once again there was not even a railway station, the starobelsky railway station was really opened only in 1934, however, in 2011, another monument dedicated to the twelve chairs of starobelsky appeared in the city. lev kisu vorobyaninov. they placed in the square opposite the entrance to a two-story building, on the balcony of which ilfa petrov allegedly dined, the characteristic types of residents of the stargorod and the features of the city itself , according to the starobelchans, are very recognizable. every small town has its own crazy interesting true story. well , i really want a historical one, but i really want to go into a big story, because. these are collective images. in them , ili recognizes his fellow countrymen from many cities one way or another, but this legend has become one of the symbols of the city, the locals themselves. residents relate to literary and historical parallels with humor

to say that such a hype is just right. eh, how is it not? well, somehow, well, anyway . uh, it always attracts everyone who comes to the city of e, not the inhabitants of starobilsk, as one of the first questions from history let's say. e, what connects us with this e with these, 12 chairs a canvas called the whole union, such an assessment by roman ilf and petrov was given by yury shcheglov to researchers of creativity in his time. perhaps that is why everyone saw something of their old ticket in them. it still differs from other cities in the lugansk region by its patriarchy. whether there were famous satirists here or not, the charm of the city does not beg at all olga mokhova anastasia popova or savelyev is a typical novorossia. that's all we wanted to talk about. kirill vyshinsky was with you today. see you soon. and

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