uh, the monks left the abode, and in general, the alarm usually does not announce anything good. uh, in general, this is a request for prayers, how this alarm can be regarded. please tell us in detail about the chronology of events on the eve of march 29th. and what exactly happened on the 29th. well, really, unfortunately , nothing good can be said in connection with this situation, some pechersk lavra received, and a letter signed, temporary, by the acting head of the museum, which, in fact, which is, monastery that here is until the twenty-ninth of march. they must leave the lava that ends the contract, which, but signed with them, and as far as we understand and as follows from the comments of official representatives of the ukrainian orthodox church, and this letter has no such legal weight, but no

legal significance, because such decisions must be made either , by agreement of the parties, by the decision of the parties yes , the signatories of the agreement, or some kind of court decision must be made, but which of course not, since the court, a in the court case, and this situation has not been considered to date, and the second moment is connected with the fact that, just, uh, on the thirtieth, yes , march, if i'm not mistaken, the commission for inventory of items located on the territory of the monastery should have started working. yes, something like that. it is named there, meaning the holy relics washing the holy ascetics of this ancient, but orthodox monastery. and all this time, the situation was escalating, and all this time, and people were praying, and at the recent ukrainian synodi which ended a few days ago the orthodox church has made a decision.

to turn to the leadership of the country and everyone knows about it, and thanks to your channel, we know that the members of the synod in full force went to meet with the president, zelensky did not receive them, and there was no reaction to these humble real elders are ready, but there is no pain to share their experiences. well, almost none. there, twice , someone came out to them and you know all these formal explanations from the series. well, that's actually why he had to take them, or maybe he was not there, and so on. they are all of the sort of explanation, but of a protocol nature, which could have mattered if it weren't for an extraordinary situation. yes, in the ordinary planned situation, one could really say. well, we didn't agree. why did you come, but when the situation is extraordinary, when the full synod arrives and asks for meetings, then, of course, there is a reaction. it seems that

the responsible authorities should have been different. yeah uh when these people stand this the picture that everyone saw, uh, when the hierarchs of the ukrainian church stand, uh, and wait for some kind of reaction, in general, but of course it remains before your eyes. and ah. recently. hmm, an appeal was also recorded a couple of days ago. eh, metropolitan pavel and the governor of the pechersk lavra, which was already sustained in completely different tones and some even from the experts. i saw and noticed that this could be the first time in many, many, many years, and in the post-soviet space such words were heard from the lips of a church hierarch in relation to the current the power of the word is very harsh. well, let's vladimir romanovich just wanted to go to this appeal of metropolitan pavel swans to vladimir zelensky. let's give the viewers the opportunity to listen to this appeal. and all your tears, ours will not fall back.

today you think that vishus? on our backs, on our devotion, and you can know to act like this, lord, forgive me, it’s not for you not to do your relatives, because today all the pumpkin 2200 people, brothers will be thrown out by you on a cobblestone, because you were accepted by the metropolitan kiev church, son of a rampage of hatred and diabolical. minister of culture well

, such an appeal was made to the president by the head of the kiev-pechersk lavra, someone greeted him, more people remained silent. someone above him, her ukrainian dmitry gordon described it, so pasha mercedes literally blew up with threats and curses, and to the ukrainian authorities. he cannot come to terms with the eviction, the uoc and the shrines. we have seen some ukrainian journalists literally poking their microphones into the faces of the monks. well a pretty disrespectful relationship church representatives. it doesn't even matter what religion. and what do you think? hmm. can this particular appeal of the primate of the monastery cause a split in ukrainian society? you know, but what did the metropolitan say,

the metropolitan called a spade a spade? uh. yes, he made a very tough assessment of the actions of the authorities and predicted. uh, some repercussions, uh, that hmm might happen in his opinion. and with those who allow themselves to behave this way in relation to the shrine and in relation to, and to the monks who lived and lived there, we still have glory god well, according to angardon, uh, who considers himself a journalist, just the same in this case, it seems to me, he allowed himself, inappropriate statements hmm professionals. well, let it remain on him, but his conscience would not like to waste any time on him. but as for hmm, what are the consequences for the ukrainian society. i do not think that the statement of the metropolitan can lead to any consequences, but will lead to action by the ukrainian authorities. because you know, it seems to me that m-m

is taken seriously. uh, here's to the rational space those reasons that are put forward as reasons in this case, i mean with the kiev-pechersk lavra, or when there are searches at the priests of the hierarchs of the ukrainian church, arrests are under pressure, when the moral is physical, it turns out. these are all political reasons that are put forward, but it is difficult to take seriously. we talked once with your colleagues. but what if, for example, during a search, there is some kind of congratulatory letter or a congratulatory postcard from a ukrainian bishop to someone from his russian archives. yes, this is interpreted from one of the russian fuckers. and as some kind of, so to speak, political gitation or agreement with a political position, that is, it is translated into a political one. and the field, how you can take this seriously, these are absolutely far-fetched things. well, that's why it seems to me that here, in relation to the ukrainian authorities, and to the ukrainian church and specifically the kiev-pechersk lavra, there is even some

element of the irrational, because. well, any power. it still has to act in a pragmatic field. yeah and uh count possible reactions. e your actions. a and. if these reactions are negative , then still try to avoid them and weigh the risks, and the risk here is colossal, because the ukrainian orthodox church is the largest religious denomination, and ukraine is millions of believers, and even those hundreds and thousands who days come to the kiev-pechersk lavra. ah, and ready to stand there to pray. and in particular, by the way, the commission, when it came, which i mentioned. i wasn't allowed. yes, but people simply became and did not let, uh, the commission, so to speak, to the point work. here, but why the power in a difficult situation? and for power, yes first of all. eh, here is the aggravated and relations with their own people. and that's a big question. and the fact that the statement of vladyka pavel is somehow hmm

, there is some kind of split in society. i honestly don't see any reason for this. hmm. he said he has the right, he has the moral right to express it. well, in ukraine , you said, indeed, there are millions, er, believers of the economic church. after all, among them , for sure, there are influential people. but why do you think we hear little names those who stand up openly for their church. and this is just known, for example, the famous boxer oleksandr usyk, he openly defends, upc these days. he even came to the lavra. pray on the twenty-ninth minutes the rest of the courage, as if their faith is the fear that drives their inaction in this case, and this is a difficult question a and even more difficult is the assessment of this behavior, because er, well, here i am, being safe sitting there in his office right now, of course, it is impossible to reproach anyone. i understand very well what

ahiri believers and priests are subjected to pressure, and it is understandable that you know. we recently also discussed this situation with colleagues and recalled the beginning of the nineties . and when such a first was in the post-soviet period a powerful blow to the ukrainian church, when churches were also seized, priests were beaten, and so on. this was due not least to the filmed. and how people then defended, and on the one hand, this is inevitable. in parallel, what is remembered from the other side is inevitable, of course, the context was completely different; there were no combat actions. before that, people had not been under the influence of the most powerful information influence for many years, when the ukrainian orthodox church in most media resources, and ukraine was declared there to be a conductor of some political goals of the kremlin, and so on, everything and the political goals of the kremlin and participation in this were distorted, and

the ukrainian orthodox churches. but nevertheless, of course, uh, one cannot deny the power of this influence either. let's also recognize and understand this. that's why i think that there are many reasons and people are different for someone for one reason, someone under another, but still, i would even say that more attention deserves the fact that people come, that people stand, people pray , people, here, repeating again, they didn’t let in, and the so-called this commission who came there describes something here. it's definitely very masculine, rather emotional, but masculine again. yes, remember the performance. uh, metropolitan pavel that we just listened to. ok it's all over now. this, of course, speaks of the determination of people to defend their shrines. look here vladimir romanovich, the metropolitan of pavel lebedev, some impute, let's say , harshness to the statement addressed to president

zelensky and punishment that his family, which he threatens, can befall, but here, er. well, how? it seems to me that it may be important to cite an early quote from the secretary of the security council of ukraine oleksiy danilov, which, of course, with its cynicism of any believer. hmm amazing he said literally the following. i want to remind. eh, if you say that everything that happens in the world is the hand of god so you think that it is the hand of god that does what is on today is happening there, bearing in mind the events around the lavra. you do not argue with god, so god decided that on the 29th you should leave this abode. as a believer, vladimir romanovich what do you think? what can really be the providence of god in this in this situation? well, let's say, starting from other events in history that the orthodox church or its saints have seen, just like a believer. i don't

dare. uh think that i can take uh easily. now there to explain to our dear ones viewers. eh, the meaning of god's providence is there in a nutshell. yes, and 100% describe its actions , causes and meanings. yes, it would contradict there, what we know from hmm, our e, the tradition of church publication and would contradict what we read in scripture where the lord directly says that my ways are not your ways. we understand that, of course, what is happening is. and when we are talking about god's providence, and we are talking about the fact that this can be a test of indulgence, and so on, but still, i would prefer to remain here in some more subordinate. to the human mind and analysis of categories, but in particular, you know, when for the first time i will share with you such an impression of my reflection, when the word persecution first sounded, i thought that maybe, in relation to what is happening in ukraine, or it began to sound

constantly . yes, when the last time becomes, i thought that well, maybe it’s all the same, aren’t we talking too much, because after all , persecution is a word from the lexicon of the 20th century. yes , but there were persecutions in soviet times. and when indeed, there the priests were subjected to pressure arrests of death, but exactly the same thing began to happen in ukraine. these are real persecutions. this is no hyperbole. this is not persecution in any way, which, well, is in no way combined with the declared democratic, but order in the country , yes, the democratic structure of the state, that is, but it’s just there self-revealing actions for the power, and therefore, of course, i don’t know, but the goal fishing. god i can again proceed from the fact that any actions that are with us in life in this they happen, and the ultimate goal is our repentance and approach to god, and

today the ukrainian church is in a situation where it is on the cross. yes, they tell you, but in the church they say that you don’t ask for a cross, but you don’t leave the crystal, so to speak. yes, they are being removed from the cross, in my opinion, metropolitan pavel, he recently repeated these words, but he did not repeat them abstractly. not in some kind of bookish reflection, you know. he's on that cross right now . yes, this is how it can be. something to remember and talk about him. uh, what is he person and so on, but as with any person can be found, there are strengths and weaknesses. uh, in his behavior there in the past, but now this man is on the cross. that's what we 're talking about and the ukrainian church today is on the cross. and ah, unfortunately, the reaction to the ukrainian authorities. we are generally silent about this, so to speak, it is actually the cause and conductor of everything that happens. but, unfortunately, the reaction

of the world community, which, probably, it could somehow influence this, well, absolutely minimal, absolutely not one that is completely inappropriate for what is happening. well, by the way, the reactions to the events in the lavra outside russia in ukraine , so that the audience can understand, the persecution, because they happen not only in kiev in the archive. and we can show on our air footage of how, for example, if the imprisoned taz priests are expelled from one temple. uh, as i understand it, in the other, it was set on fire altogether, these shots of the temple burned down almost to the ground. and also, in my opinion, the event is fresh. here are literally the last weeks, and only timid words of condemnation of the new, for example, from the pope, are heard francis. he offered to act as a mediator in resolving the conflict. in particular , in an interview with our channel, you said that

you relate to this idea. well, why, isn’t this what the russian orthodox church is striving for, so that there is a reaction from the world community? well , i'm not that skeptical, yes, but still, i don't consider myself entitled at all, there is somehow to evaluate the actions of the roman pontiff. i was just, uh, thinking about this in terms of what it was not very clear to me from those media reports that i read. what is mediation about? speech, that is, an intermediary between whom and whom, a is ready to speak a on the roman pontik between the ukrainian authorities and the ukrainian orthodox church, hmm well, how does he imagine it in a practical sense, yes, that is, we are in any case, but it is important to note what sounded here is this intention of some kind. yes, to somehow influence the situation expressed concern, and the head of the roman church, so this is certainly important about this. i think, i am

my assumption that, of course, the appeal of the patriarch, which was cyril, which in in particular, it was also directed at riga, but it probably played a role for the pontiff , and therefore i think that the reaction is also connected with this appeal of his holiness the patriarch. but, but i guess i would think. here i am in such a pledge. yes, i understand what headlines may appear there with reference to my words, but i nevertheless emphasized that it would seem to me that it would probably be more logical to turn to the ukrainian authorities, because only from the ukrainian authorities. uh, the end of these persecutions depends only on the ukrainian authorities of the ukrainian church. nothing to blame yourself. she has demonstrated all these past months and, in general, all these past years, maximum loyalty, but to the current ukrainian authorities. and you and i can see that this is loyalty, but it did not secure it in any way. church life. yes, and even the fact that,

well, everything that this church went for, and the ukrainian church did not give what it wanted. not a result. yes, i mean, stop the pressure and stop the persecution. that's why the addressee of some calls and the impact of the point of impact, perhaps only ukrainian government. only she. maybe stop all this, and all this can be done pretty quickly, just make a decision , well, in the russian orthodox church in moscow , among the patriarchs that you enter, is there a plan b being discussed how to save the bishops in the canonical church, well, ukraine i know that, for example, there was a proposal to accept them, say, in the crimea. well, you know, there sounded a different proposal. personally, i am still a supporter of the fact that, but the problem needs to be solved as they become available. yes and now all our thoughts, all our prayers, all our efforts, which continue to be done

in different ways, but through channels available and through all channels available to the russian church. they are. in order to preserve the monks and the baking lavra in this ancient shrine, and even though it may be quite scanty, but some hope, as it seems to me, remains. although now, when you look at these shots hmm that we see in recent days, it ’s somehow very difficult to hope, but if the situation changes radically and becomes the question of the future of these monks. well, firstly, they themselves will have to decide. yes, how and what? bye then. let's search from what they are now in the lavra, and they are determined to stay there. here you are, commenting on zelensky’s refusal to go out to those gathered with him and a member of the holy synod oops in your telegram channel, you noted that the ukrainian president showed disrespect and contempt for

millions of ukrainian believers, and earlier we saw the revelation of the monks of the lavra, uh, who said that president personally promised in case, and victory, uh, in the race for the presidency victory in the elections, that he will convert to the orthodox faith did not keep his word? ah, do you believe that vladimir zelensky could really be baptized at the hands of priests? uh, the orthodox church, it is difficult for me to comment on the words of the utterance of a witness that i was not or that were not spoken publicly, but here the question always arises of the interpretation of the transmission and other things. well, besides, the official status with which i am, it seems to me, and well, not quite allows in such a situation. i repeat when there is no fact, yes, comment, well , some retellings.

yes, there, what happened or didn’t happen or happened, but it could be somehow different here, and so, well, if we proceed from the fact that hmm mr. zelensky is a person, then any person, while he is alive, has the potential to change, but it takes a big one. uh, great big human work, bye. and i'm just here referring to your question, and and based on what i know, i just, as it seems to me, i want to emphasize. i don't see this topic at all was on his personal agenda. but therefore, what should we talk about it to other topics. vladimir ivanovich would like to ask you, uh , to comment on what happened in the united states of america the other day, a tragedy when a teenager started shooting at a christian school, six people died. and it would seem in this connection. it would be necessary to talk about the law, uh, that permits the relationship of weapons, but the fact is that, uh,

the person who shot people was a transgender teenager and there is a whole discussion on this topic. got up there's a big circle of people who in general, they believe that a teenager is a victim and he had no other opportunity and an effective way to be noticed, and this led to what it led to. what do you think about this? i think that the american society , this is me, after all, we are already, probably, in the distant past, after all , an americanist and the world community. as a whole, or some parts, more precisely, this world community cannot free itself in any way. here is this syndrome of consciousness of the victim. yes, victor mental, like, what is called, and in american culture. and this thing is dangerous enough. this is such political correctness brought to the point of absurdity, and which, well , simply demolishes some fundamental foundations and pillars of human

society on its way. and uh. we really have the opportunity to talk about it. we talk about this a lot, thank god the legal space of the russian federation has put up quite serious barriers to the promotion of this madness. and since a lot is said about this, sometimes it may seem. well, maybe we 're overdoing it. yes, everything can be, well, it's life. there, in the collective west , it doesn’t come down to transgender and other matters, but when such news arrives, when you just said, you involuntarily shudder and understand that this is not a picture from some futurological novel. ah, and there or hmm from the movie. and this is reality yes, reality, and which means, first of all, a human tragedy reality, which means, but the tragedy of society, to which it cannot cope, because society drives itself into this dead end, from which it can't come out, yeah, because if you're making all these things up, if you're trying

to give some rational natural justification and say that's the way it should be, yes, then you're bound to run into situations like this. uh , thank you very much to vladimir romanovich for commenting on this news for us. thank you very much.

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