[000:00:00;00] so in paris and geneva, if 10 years are not enough for all this, and especially for the archive, so that heirs are found, then everything will go to the state, but perhaps witnesses will appear who may tell that she has become at the end of borhis's life , look for his eyes with his eyes. now they have also closed, what did she bequeathed, at least verbally regarding who now owns the rights to the work of the great argentinean, our colleagues of the sarise war conclude the real labyrinth right on borhis, nothing is built on everything is built on sand. but we must build as if the sand were the stone of the argentine writer. well, and we are sergey brilev alexey nikolaevich with the participation of barcelona - the essence of the news from the sites.

dear friends, i invite you to our next edition of the author's tv program, which will be called friends piggy hello in the studio of ekaterina grachev this is the church program and we are on the russia 24 channel on weekends we discuss the main topics that have occurred in russia in the world with representatives of the russian orthodox church and today me in away patriarchal exarch in africa metropolitan. leonid klinsky vladyka hello. good afternoon ekaterina e. glad to see you in our studio. i understand that, of course, it would be logical to start talking from africa in general about how orthodoxy is developing and in what

status it is now in africa, but let's still start with more acute, sore topics. uh, i want to ask you about ukraine , why, in your personal opinion, is the coverage with so many believers in ukraine , uh, those people who have been praying until now confessed e, communed in the churches, the canals turned out to be those who stood up for the defense of the priests of the canonical hierarchs who came on march 29 to the kiev-pechersk lavra? i mean from public people who have some weight their word will be heard. well, let's say the president or the authorities of ukraine, how would you explain it. let's start with the last one. uh, the president of ukraine does not want to hear anything, and no matter who comes to him, and we know that recently the entire holy synod of the ukrainian orthodox church, headed by metropolitan anufem, was there. this

gives nothing. we will have a subjective view. the position was lost a long time ago and, of course, the leadership of the ukrainian orthodox church. it was necessary to make those statements that they are making now much earlier, and people would, of course, support if we take the trend with you of the historical procession of the nineteenth-twentieth-twenty-first e years that we will see you. how many tens of hundreds of thousands of parishioners followed their shepherds? bright shepherd and now, of course, the situation in ukraine is very, very bad. eh, and it should be noted that e the most holy patriarch of moscow all-russia, the holy synod has repeatedly spoken about this. uh, we said we used all possible international platforms. his holiness the patriarch sent letters to all the primates of local orthodox churches and to glorious churches to other people on whom the international agenda depends. someone has, of course, reacted to us, uh, this

situation seems to be a very painful sector for one simple reason, that the ukrainian orthodox church. it's an inseparable part. uh, the russian orthodox church and the general history and general. e, the kiev font united us and we hope in the future it will impoverish in the same way with regards to the question of the quality of people people. they are just scared. eh, you can trace the historical and draw a parallel. with the seventeenth year of the last century, what happened in russia and the next, when there were persecutions of the church, when clergy were killed, when they tried to show the last priest on tv during the khrushchev era. these are the links of one chain, we are very sorry that such a situation is developing in ukraine at the moment. but nevertheless, i want to say again, this is not the position of the russian orthodox church - this is personally, my position, that

no schism could be arranged for any feofany. uh, the russian orthodox church is always patient, rolling economy, as the greeks say, let indulgence, if translated into russian , applied to the ukrainian orthodox church when it was hard and when these terrible events began. but what was accepted, then at pseudo bishops' councils such as theophany, renunciation from the patriarch of the russian renunciation of russianness, of course, this did not keep us waiting. we are always people, believers understand that the lord cannot be mocked, therefore, we pray in every possible way. uh, and we try to somehow support our brothers and sisters spiritually. most of all, of course, in all this it is a pity. hmm uh, simple ukrainian uh, believing people. there is a certain feeling that the moscow patriarchate is a patriarch with the canonical ukrainian church.

uh, it means that there is ringing all the bells calling the world community to the metropolitans. tony is head of external church relations. he is absolutely, and yet the canonical ukrainian church. she seems to be playing such a double game of survival, but in general, in fact , it didn’t end with anything good, that is, it seems, as if the moscow patriarch was with them, and not with us. well, until recently it was not obvious, for example, none of the hierarchs. uh, the canonical ukrainian church did not agree. interview our program unit is the ukrainian orthodox church, which adhere to canonical orthodoxy - these are units, i don’t want to talk about them now, but in the total amount voices are heard, but not so brightly, and uh, because not with the efficiency with which we would like, but i say it again, and even in this most serious situation the russian orthodox church does not take any action, except for those that she declared at the meeting of the holy synod that she

postpones. e, so the questions that the ukrainian orthodox raise about their independence e more independence than the don ukrainian orthodox church from moscow e cannot be canonically and none of the local orthodox churches will ever recognize this, however, the feophany, and the break with the commemoration with the patriarch, which means the statement that we will engage in worldview themselves, they will receive, alas, from moscow the opening of parishes e on the canonical territory of the russian orthodox church, one must understand one thing that the fullness of the ukrainian orthodox church has a connection with universal orthodoxy through the moscow patriarchate. that's it, we don't talk about more than we don't talk about, what are you doing all this rule, uh, a large continent, where? generally resides

a large number, but orthodox people. i 'm talking about the continent of africa now and i don't know the statistics, er, but am i right in my assessment that there are more of them than in europe, yes? you are absolutely right, well, in terms of quantity, we still cannot statistically give calculations of their salaries. just a year and 3 months about it. we will now have a more extensive talk with you, but already looking ahead. if you will allow me, i would like to point out that we have succeeded closely in a year and 3 months. enter the continent this means we are present in 21 countries in six. he has already received registration. we have over 200 priests. uh, i have already ordained about 10 diagnoses of new ordination illuminators. we continue to carry out extensive educational missionary activities, among other things, it should be noted those educational programs in which african youth participate in this. uh, in the last academic year, 11 students from an african country came for a full

five-year course. e at the leningrad theological academy, the missionary group replaces one after another. e in africa each other. uh, so we're reading these introductory courses. we accept those communities that called themselves orthodox, but did not appear as such with them. we also do missionary work. we already have two tribes in both of us with their two masses of priests. it's very much too. a people with its own exemplary history, we are engaged in social adaptive humanitarian activities. uh, there are already the first schools that we built in the same central african republic, uh, doing, of course, is a very uninteresting business, we have not enough hands. e. i wish there were more young people. i was recently in st. petersburg in one of the schools where i once studied myself, and i met with the teaching staff with students and people with burning young people with burning

eyes asked me questions. how can we help in terms of missionary work on the american continent so doing a lot we will be grateful to every young person who wants to connect his subsequent work with a missionary on the african continent i saw african orthodox on the convergence holy fire, yes virusalime. this, of course, is such a spectacular sight they are with drums. well, in general, in principle, the convergence of the holy fire, when there are uh, and greeks and russian ukrainians and syrians, and all together are in this temple. and so, in fact, the orthodox from africa are, of course, so very energetic, so charged. yes action. what does the russian orthodox church hope for in the african continent, the lord has given russia and the russian orthodox church at the moment an amazing chance to do it themselves. uh,

popularizing our way of life, and above all, if we are talking about the russian orthodox church. e, that is, the coordinate system that we ourselves have, if earlier, again , the cavity of indulgence at the beginning of the last century. we delegated these powers to the patriarchate of alexandria, which had no, no reason to be called the patriarch of alexandria and all of africa. at the moment, uh, again, not thanks, but despite the disgrace that patriarch bartholomew taught in world orthodoxy and after him fairway followed some other representatives of greek local orthodox churches. russia will no longer delegate its mission to anyone, and we will educate africans, as we consider it necessary in orthodoxy. and we are already doing this. let's mention more. e about monastic communities, which we are now also involved in. i

just recently, uh, got a haircut on the first one. uh, monastic girl. she is one of the seven priests. from kenya, they named her after our blessed mother matrona, so she is now undergoing this practice in one of our moscow women 's monasteries of the nativity of the theotokos and will soon go to their homeland, where they will create the first women's monastic community, and this will be a community in the image and likeness. those that we have here in russia, i would like to read something. you are running a hmm telegram channel. here's one of your last posts, it's dedicated to hmm the thirty-first of march and this is the post of joseph biden uh the president of the united states of america who proclaimed this day to be visibility day. i'll quote from this year. i call

all americans to join us in raising the voices of transgender people throughout our country and work to root out inflicted and discrimination against all transgender people, and just a few days before that, what is called, and the americans call it, that is another execution. uh, in an american school, three children died, three school employees died, and a transgender shot them, and someone even justified his actions and said that, well, man. i found an understanding and it ended with what it ended. and in this connection i have question. but after all, probably, it is logical for people who have some kind of mental problems. doesn't matter. there they are transgender or transgender. they probably need to be treated. why do you think the president of the united states of america, but if you try to understand his position, he wants not to treat such people, but to arrange for them a national holiday of acceptance and understanding. but in your opinion, are all

transgenders, sick people, or uh, you still need to separate, well, let's say people who need to see a doctor and people who need to change clothes there to go out into society. let in an american tolerant society and, according to their understanding, men or women change there. how do you think. uh, ekaterina , this question never stood for me, uh, and hearing it from your lips. now i'm thinking. uh, how would i feel about a transgender person on public transport and seeing him touching him you know, in my opinion. uh, the lord created two agents, two genders. the lord created man and woman; everything else is from the evil one. and we are well aware that genders are not born , they become in my subjective opinion. this a clear deviation. this is a departure from the norm. and

these are people either by their licentiousness or by psychological ones. uh, hmm, diseases do this to themselves, but there's a problem. eh, much deeper. they are killing children. so i wrote myself in the telegram channel, after all. look now they are almost aged. uh, consent, as such they lower it in schools. teaching, uh, the so-called sex education lessons, which are demonstrated to people from five to six to seven years old. uh, things that are absolutely obscene to small children. uh, and most importantly - it's also in my own telegram channel reflected that e president biden refers to e. the word of god and the fact that children are made in the image and likeness of god, but we are all made in the image and likeness of god, but what do we do that we descend to what the anglican church now calls the god of transgender people. you want to hear it, that is, for us such

a question is not worth it. we very much, i mean, the mayor of the russian orthodox church and the russian people as a whole are very conservative in their basis, but the us and its satellites just go. that's like elephants in a china shop breaking humanity, breaking the fate of people, forcing literally under all possible excuses to accept their point of view, which has nothing to do with divine providence, but the most interesting thing. i'd like to roll back. now even our dialogue is literally a few minutes higher and say that, after all. uh, how many people are now starting to resist this topic. eh, touching the african continent, over which you are calmly a servant, eh, archpastors. uh, just a recent visit. uh, vice president of america over there. now she is still and how much i i know, ghana zimbaba did not finish it there. another country ghana tanzania and

zimbabwe so here in ghana when ogan now on the verge of passing laws against lgbt people and she arrived and as is inherent in all the entire american establishment. e, she began to give out instructions to everyone and said, so you go left, you go right, which means you don’t need to pass the law, you are violating rights. uh, so lgbt from the community. so we are there under sanctions, to which the spikergans calmly restrained themselves and explained that in our monastery with its charter it is not necessary to climb. we are all this law equally accept. and if you think you are a democratic country. you are not a decree for me , madam wiltz. uh, the president of our people will do as he sees fit in usefulness. and i hear this not only from ghana. i hear this from a guess. i hear this from other powerful sectoral uh, uh strange africa. indeed, now more and

more unites in a conservative direction and in this regard i would like to remind you once again that the russian orthodox church in its citricity is very popular. now more and more in african continent well, recently there was news around england where this feint did not work, when the permission to marry same-sex people was already discussed at the legislative level, they began by first blessing, but we understand that from uh, thought to action, literally a hemisphere. and, of course, of course, and, uh, the same archbishop. uh, the anglican church of uganda said that enderberry will not maintain any relationship. we organize our e, african anglican community and cited as an example those saints who stood at the origins of uh anglican church, and he said that they did not pass on to us such obscurantism that you are now trying to impose on us. before we wrote the interview

, let's say, in the dressing room, we discussed the threshold of current news, including the detention of a journalist, the wall street journal, and it turned out that you have personal experience of communicating with the press service of this publication. tell me which one i will not retell for you, so as not to distort the very difficult thank god i have no personal experience. but, and not at us constantly came out and asked me about interview on me personally on me. well, they went out through my servants, uh, sent lists of questions. uh, and when i got acquainted with them , the exarch quite right, in the first months of the formation of the exarch, if i'm not mistaken, it was the exarch that was formed in december 21 . er hmm march april may, these requests went, and the name of the questions were not typical for, er, the decrees of the clergyman. i mean, if they were interested in, uh, how do we hold liturgies? how do we deal with children? uh, how do we provide this or that

support, they were interested in other numbers hihi interested. uh, through what do we do our wiring, who helps us in the implementation of our missions from the wiring side? excuse for for financial posting. there are some prices too. well, we understand that to do something, for example, one of the clearest examples. uh, the greeks, they blocked the water of the mosai tribe, they blocked it, because the masai said no, here we want to be in russian orthodoxy. good greeks blocked the only source of drinking water. people walked for 1.5-2 km, carried this water, turned to us for help. certainly we brought equipment there within one and a half to two months. uh, they drove us from a neighboring state, because there, in the state where it was necessary to do this , they also cut off oxygen in russian, i say it, uh , we did it. anyway, they spent a month and a half or two months to make a well. there he

solved the problem very deeply. in a word, that is, for this you need some. let insignificant finances. naturally, of course, we are like this. here, our pastoral activity was not interested, and, uh, its spiritual guide is the main thing that we teach and serve. so save your soul. no, they were interested in other things. we are discussing certain issues of our own, uh, how we circumvent certain sanctions. uh, how much funding is coming in? where to do? that is, all these questions had nothing to do with the spiritual derivative, therefore, in other words. you think, i'm absolutely sure that the wall street journal, uh, is, well, maybe not all employees, but those who work in russia, uh, are full-time agents of the special services who decide in this way. uh, questions for the purposes of the western community. that's all. and even when addressing me. i said

good already. they asked for a very long time, i will answer all your questions that i can, but i ask you to publish them in full. they refused me. they said no, we will cut them as we see fit. well then he refused. here is the synod of the alexandrian orthodox church. uh, at the end of last year , i decided to deprive you of the sacred samsan, and on february 9 this year, the synod and the latsk church agreed with the decision alexandrian but in general, tell us if there have been similar cases in the history of orthodoxy, and er, so why do they have such a thing with you, especially the case. why are you such an interesting threat to them. they see our activity as the activity of the russian orthodox church and the patriarchal zarchates of africa, and, uh, as soon as we didn’t just begin to declare this activity. er, they showed, actually, how it develops, because it was not by chance that i mentioned that we delegated 100 years ago.

e by default, these powers and the greeks. and that they didn't do anything. there were simply podtyomkinskie villages in africa, which we are now correcting with god's help and teaching people to re-perceive orthodox christ as orthodox teaching. ah, of course the greeks. this is not like the alexandrian church. uh, she allegedly deprived me, she is the latsk church behind her. constantinople will follow now. to say the church has limited communication with me, well, the cherry on the cake, i also fell under, uh, ukrainian sanctions, but in general, ekaterina is like that in your studio bad boy world orthodoxy yes bad boy world orthodoxy, of course, it would be nice if she told me anal belova, she is an honorary legionnaire of international sanctions roxbet fight. we started with ukraine and would like it to complete the program, because, well, of course, africa

is important. eh, expanding the influence of the roc on the continent is important, defending traditional values ​​of opposing liberal values ​​is also important, but all the same, all our thoughts. uh, along our nearest borders. hey, what's your prediction? what will be the further actions of believers in ukraine what will be the actions of the bishops in the canonical church, and i understand that i'm asking a question and want to hear the answer in no way the official representative of the church. your personal opinion a. what can we expect and what would be the wisest steps now for bishops in the canonical order to avoid further persecution of the church? what needs to be done is a good question for a strong and er, capacious bishop of the ukrainian orthodox church. uh, i would advise you to roll back your decisions , first of all, theophany. and bring repentance

esh, he is the patriarch. start commemorating him. uh, and stand firmly uh on the truth, orthodoxy is another way for the ukrainian orthodox church no, because it is now in the fork of the fork, the non-recognition of any orthodox church. having renounced russian orthodoxy and the patriarch of moscow all russia and to the people of god in ukraine i would like to wish e strength. e spiritual e, the chastity of the fortress, and e, to survive those terrible troubled times that kievan rus is now experiencing, i do not doubt for a second that everything will pass. hmm , we slavs tend to forgive and forget, and this is probably ours. here is such a historical, uh, historical complex mission, but she honorable because we are responsible for those people who

are behind us and, first of all, these are our ordinary people and whose parishioners, mind you, in the orthodox church. most of the minority are priests and even fewer bishops, so i would like to wish that, uh, the lord put in that wisdom and courage. uh , the archbishop, metropolitan and bishop of the ukrainian orthodox church, to understand what the deepest mistake was made on the feofania to return to, uh, historical, but the relationship and understanding of orthodoxy, uh, also and cares more about his flock, who should not be betrayed by them. thank you very much. vladyka was answered for coming to our studio. thank you catherine with

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