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hello in the studio of ekaterina grachev this is the program of the church and we are on the channel russia 24 on weekends we discuss the main topics that have happened in russia and in the world with representatives of the russian orthodox church and today the patriarchal exarch in africa metropolitan is visiting me. leonid klinsky vladyka hello. good afternoon ekaterina e. glad to see you in our studios. i understand that, of course, it would be logical to start talking from africa in general about how orthodoxy is developing and in what status it is now in africa, but let's still start with more acute, sore topics. uh, i want to ask you about ukraine, why, in your personal opinion, is the coverage with so many believers in ukraine, those people who have so far prayed , confessed, uh, communed, uh, in the temples of the canonical, but the ukrainian orthodox

church. so few were those who stood up for the defense of the priests, the bishops in the canonical who came on march 29, uh, to the kiev-pechersk lavra. i mean from public people who have some weight, their word will be heard, let's say by the president or the authorities of ukraine, how would you explain it. let's start with the last president. ukraine does not want to hear anything, and no matter who comes to him, and you and i know that recently the entire holy synod of the ukrainian orthodox church was there. led by metropolitan anus. it doesn't give anything. we would like a subjective view. the position was lost long ago and of course the leadership ukrainian orthodox church. it was necessary to make those statements that they are making now much earlier and people would, of course, support if we take the trend with you of the historical exit to the processions of the cross of the nineteenth-twentieth-

twenty-first e years, that we will see you in hundreds of thousands of parishioners er, they followed their pastors and archpastors now, of course, the situation in ukraine is very, very bad. e, and it should be noted that e his holiness the patriarch of moscow in the service of the holy synod has repeatedly mentioned this. uh, we said we used all possible international platforms. his holiness the patriarch sent letters to all the primates of the local orthodox churches, and to glorious churches to other people on whom the international agenda depends. someone has, of course, reacted to us, uh, this situation seems to be a very painful sector for one simple reason, that the ukrainian orthodox church. it's an inseparable part. uh, the russian orthodox church and the general history and general. e, the kiev font united us and we hope in the future it will unite in the same way

with regards to the question, while the number of people people, they are simply intimidated. you can trace the historical and draw a parallel with the seventeenth year of the last century, what happened in russia and the next, when there were persecutions of the church, when clergy were killed, when they tried to show the last priest on tv during khrushchev's time. these are the links of the same chain. we are very sorry that such a situation is developing in ukraine at the moment. but nevertheless, i want to say again, this is not a position, the russian orthodox church is a personal position, my position that there was no theophany, and a split could not be arranged. uh, russian orthodox church. always patiently rolling the economy of the greek they say after the exodus, if translated into russian, it referred to the ukrainian orthodox church, when it was hard and when these terrible events began. but the fact that e was accepted, then at pseudo

bishops' councils such as the renunciation of the patriarch of the russian renunciation of all russianness, of course, this did not keep you waiting. we are always people, believers understand that the lord cannot be mocked, therefore, we we pray in every possible way, uh, and try to spiritually somehow support our brothers and sisters. most of all, of course, in all this it is a pity, uh, simple ukrainian uh, believers have a certain feeling that the moscow patriarchate is a patriarch with the canonical ukrainian church. uh, it means that the metropolitan calls on all the bells there to call the world community, then he is the head of the department for external church relations. he is, nevertheless, the canonical ukrainian church. she seems to be playing such a double game of survival, but in general, actually nothing it didn't end well. that is, it seems, as if the moscow patriarchate is with them, and they

are with us. well, until the last it was not obvious, for example. which of the hierarchs of the e canonical ukrainian church did not agree to give an interview to our program ? i don’t want to say them now, but in the total amount, voices are heard, but not so brightly and uh, because not with the efficiency with which we would like, but i say it again, and even in this the most serious situation the russian orthodox church does not take any action, except for those that she announced at the meeting of the holy synod that she postpones. e, this means that the questions that the ukrainian orthodox church raises about their independence e more independence than

it was with the patriarch uh, means a statement that we will deal with by the peace they themselves receive you from moscow the opening of parishes. on the canonical territory of the russian orthodox church , one thing must be understood, that the fullness of the ukrainian orthodox church has a connection with universal orthodoxy through the moscow patriarchate. that's it, we don't talk about more than we don't talk about, what are you doing all this rule, uh, a large continent, where? in general , a large number of orthodox people live. i am now talking about the continent of africa and i do not know the statistics, er, but am i right in my assessment that there are more of them than in europe and yes, you absolutely right, well, in terms of quantity, we still cannot statistically give calculations of their salaries. just a year and 3 months about it.

we are now going to talk more extensively with you, but already looking ahead, if i would like to indicate that in a year and 3 months we managed to tightly enter the continent, which means, uh, we are present in twenty-one countries in six. we have already received registration. we have over 200 priests. uh, i have already ordained about 10 diagnoses of new ordination illuminators. we continue to increase the volume er, educational missionary activity, among other things, it should be noted those educational programs in which african youth participate. in this last academic year, 11 students and the country of africa stopped by for a full-fledged five-year course at the leningrad theological academy, the missionary group replaces one after another. e in africa each other. uh, so we're reading these lecturers' course. we accept those communities that called themselves orthodox, but did not appear as such with them. we also do missionary work. at

there are two of us already. me with my two masai priests. this is also a very interesting people with its exemplary history, and we are engaged in social adaptive humanitarian activities. eh , there are already the first schools that we built in the same central african republic, eh , doing, of course, is a very uninteresting business, we do not have enough hands. e. i wish there were more young people. i was recently in st. petersburg in one of the schools where i once studied myself, and i met with the teaching staff from students and people with burning eyes young people with burning eyes asked me questions. how can we help in terms of missionary work on the american continent, therefore, it’s a matter of little we will be grateful to every young person who wants to connect his subsequent activity with missionary work on the african continent, i saw orthodox africans at the convergence of the holy fire virusalime. this, of course, is such

a spectacular spectacle, and not from a drum. well, in general, in principle, the convergence of the holy fire, when we are there and the greeks and russian ukrainians and syrians and all together are in this temple. and, as a matter of fact, the orthodox from africa are, of course, so very energetic , so charged. yes action. what does the russian orthodox church hope for in the african continent, the lord has given russia and the russian orthodox church at the moment an amazing chance to do it themselves. uh, popularizing our way of life, and above all, if we are talking about the russian orthodox church. uh, the coordinate system that we ourselves have, if earlier, again, post condescension at the beginning of the last century. we delegated these powers to the alexandrian

patriarchate, which had, uh, no reason. under this be referred to as, the patriarch of alexandria and all africa, then at the moment. eh, again, not thanks, but contrary to the disgrace that patriarch bartholomew taught in world orthodoxy, and some other representatives of the local greek orthodox churches followed him in the fairway. russia will no longer delegate its mission to anyone, and we will educate africans, since we consider it necessary in orthodoxy. and we are already doing this. let's mention more. e about monastic communities, which we are now also involved in. i'm very recent. uh, got a haircut on the first one. eh, devotional girl. she is one of the seven priests. from kenya, they named her after our holy blessed mother matrona, so she is now undergoing practice in one of our moscow convents of the nativity of the theotokos and will soon go

to her homeland, where she will create the first convent? monastic community and it will community in the image and likeness of those that we have here in russia, i would like to read something. you are running a hmm telegram channel. here is one of your last posts, it is dedicated to hmm march 31st. and this is the office of joseph biden, uh, the president of the united states of america, which this day proclaimed the day of visibility of money. i'll quote from this year. i call on all americans to join us in raising the lives of transgender voices across our country and to work to denigrate and discriminate against all transgender people, and literally a few days before that, what is called the aga of the american is called, that is, another execution. uh, in an american school , three children died, three school employees

died, and their transgender people were shot. someone even justified his actions by saying that, well, the person did not find understanding. and it ended the way it ended. and i have a question in this regard. but after all, probably, it is logical for people who have some kind of mental problems. doesn't matter. there they are transgender or transgender. they probably need to be treated. why do you think the president of the united states of america, but if you try to understand his position, he wants not to treat such people, but to arrange for them a national holiday of acceptance and understanding. but in your opinion, are all transgenders, sick people, or uh, you still need to separate, well, let's say people who need to see a doctor and people who need to change clothes there to go out into society. let them enter the american tolerant society and, according to their understanding, men or women change their gender there. what do you think uh, ekaterina

, this question never stood for me, uh, and hearing it from your lips. now i'm thinking. uh, how would i feel about a transgender person on public transport and seeing him touching him you know, in my opinion. uh, the lord created two agents, two genders. the lord created man and woman; everything else is from the evil one. and we are well aware that genders are not born , they become in my subjective opinion. this is , uh, a clear deviation - this is a deviation from the norm. and these are people either by their licentiousness, or by psychological e. hmm they create such a disease on themselves, but here is the problem. uh, much deeper. they are killing children. so i wrote myself in the telegram channel, because look now they are almost aged. uh consent, as such they lower it in schools. teaching, uh, the so-called

sex education lessons, which are demonstrated to people from 5-6-7 years old. uh, things that are absolutely obscene to small children. e, and most importantly, i also reflected in my telegram channel from e that president biden refers to e. the word of god and that children are created in the image and likeness of god, but we are all created in the image and the likeness of god, but what are we doing that we descend to what the anglican church now calls the god of transgender people. you want to hear it, that is, for us such a question is not worth it. we are very, i mean, the mayor of the russian orthodox church and the russian people as a whole are very conservative in their basics, but the us and its satellites just go. this is how elephants in a china shop, breaking humanity , breaking the fate of people, forcing them, literally under all possible excuses, to accept their

point of view, which has nothing to do with divine providence, but the most interesting. i'd like to roll back. now even our dialogue is literally a few minutes higher and say that, after all. uh, how many people are now starting to resist this topic. eh, touching on the african continent, over which we have calmly placed you as a servant , eh, archpastors. uh, just recently hanging the vice president of america over there. now she also, as far as i know, did not finish it there with ghana zimbaba. another country ghana tanzania and zimbabwe so here in ghana lgbt and she came and as is inherent in all of the entire american establishment. e, she began to give out instructions to everyone and says so to you left to right, so you don’t need to pass the law, you are violating rights. uh, it means the lgbt community of the ussr. it means that we

will immerse you there under sanctions, to which the speakergans calmly withstood and explained that in our monastery with its charter it is not necessary to climb. we will still pass this law. and if you think you are a democratic country. you do not order me mistress lioness. uh, the president of our people will do as he sees fit. in usefulness. and this i hear not only esgans. this is what i hear from uganda this is what i hear from other powerful sectoral uh, uh strange africa indeed, now more and more people are uniting in a conservative direction and in this regard i would like to remind you once again that the russian orthodox church in its citricity is very popular. now it is becoming more and more on the african continent well, recently there was news around england where this feint did not work, when it was already discussed at the legislative level

permission to marry same-sex people began with the fact that they first bless, but we understand that from uh, thought to action, it’s literally a hemisphere. and, of course, of course, and, uh, the same archbishop. uh, the anglican church of uganda said that enderberry will not maintain any relationship. we are organizing our own, the african anglican community, and he cited as an example those saints who stood at the origins of the anglican church, and he said that they did not pass on to us such obscurantism that you are now trying to impose on us. we are before how did you manage to write an interview, well, let's say in the dressing room to discuss the threshold of current news, including the detention of a journalist, wall street jorn, and it turned out that you have personal experience of communicating with the press service of this publication. tell me which one i will not retell for you, so as not to look for very difficult thank god i have no personal experience. but, instead of us, they constantly came out and asked me for

an interview for me personally for me. well, they went through my staff, uh, sent lists of questions. uh, and when i got to know them became an african exarch quite right in the first months of the formation of the exarchate. if i am not mistaken, it was an exarchate was formed in december 21. e hmm march april may, send these requests and the name of the father to john on questions were not typical for e orders of the priestly minister. i mean, if they were interested in, uh, how do we hold liturgies? how do we deal with children? uh, as we provide, they were interested in this or that support, other numbers hihi were interested. uh, through what we do our wiring, who helps us in the implementation of our missions with wiring side? excuse me for some kind of financial posting. well, we understand that to

do something, for example, one of the clearest examples. uh, the greeks, they blocked the water of the massaya tribe, because the masaya said no, here we want to be in russian orthodoxy. the good greeks blocked the only source of drinking water. people walked one and a half to two kilometers, carried this water, turned to us for help, and within one and a half to two months they drove equipment there. uh, they drove from a neighboring state, because there in that the state where it was necessary to do this also cut off the oxygen in russian, i say, uh , we did it. anyway, they spent a month and a half or two months to make a well. there he solved the problem very deeply. in a word, that is, for this you need some. let insignificant finances. naturally, of course, we didn’t care about our pastoral activity and, er, its spiritual guide is the main thing that we teach and serve. how to save your soul. no, they were interested

in other things. how do we spend some or the other there their uh questions, how do we circumvent certain sanctions. uh, how much funding is coming in? where to do? that is, all these questions had nothing to do with the spiritual derivative, therefore, in other words. you think, i'm absolutely sure that the wall street journal, uh, is, well, maybe not all employees, but those who work in russia, uh, are full-time agents of the special services who decide in this way. uh, questions for the purposes of the western community, that is, and even when addressing me. i said good already. they asked for a very long time, i will answer all your questions that i can, but i ask you to publish them in full. and no, they didn't. they said no, we will cut them as we see fit. well then refused here to the alexandrian orthodox church. uh, at the end of last year, i decided to deprive you of the sacred samsan, and

on february 9 of this year, the synod and the latsk church agreed with the decision of the alexandrian one. in general, tell us if there have been similar cases in the history of orthodoxy, and uh, so what's up you something them such here is, especially deal. why are you such an interesting threat to them. they see our activity as the activity of the russian orthodox church and the patriarchal zarchates of africa, and, uh, as soon as we didn’t just begin to declare this activity. er, they showed, actually, how it develops, because it was not by chance that i mentioned that we delegated 100 years ago. e by default , these powers and the greeks. and what, they did nothing there. there were just potemkin villages in africa, which we are now correcting with god's help and teaching people anew perceive uh orthodox christ orthodox teaching. ah, of course the greeks.

this is not like the alexandrian church. uh, allegedly deprived me, she latsk church will follow her now, constantinople to say the church has limited communication with me, well , the cherry on the cake, i also fell under, uh, ukrainian sanctions. well, in general , you have such catherine in the studio. bad boy of world orthodoxy yes, bad boy of world orthodoxy , of course, it would be nice if she told me anal belov, she is an honorary legionnaire of international sanctions roxbet fight. we started from ukraine i would like her to complete the program, because, well, of course, africa is important. eh, the expansion of the influence of the roc on the continent is important . upholding traditional values ​​of opposing liberal values ​​is also important, but all the same, all our thoughts are along our immediate borders. hey, what's your prediction? what will be the further actions of believers in ukraine what will be the actions of the bishops in

the canonical church, and i understand that i am asking a question and i want to hear the answer is not an official representative of the church, but your personal opinion, what should we expect and what were would be the wisest steps now for the bishops in the canonical, to avoid further persecution of the church, what needs to be done is a good questioning of the strong and er, capacious bishop of the ukrainian orthodox church. uh, i would advise you to roll back your decisions, primarily on theophany. and bring repentance esh, he is the patriarch. uh, start his commemoration. eh, and stand firmly on the truth, orthodoxy has no other way for the ukrainian orthodox church, because it is now in a fork of a fork, non-recognition of any orthodox church. renouncing russian orthodoxy and from the patriarch of moscow all russia and to the people

of god ukraine, i would like to wish uh, strength. e spiritual e, chastity fortress, and e, to survive those terrible troubled times that kievan rus is now experiencing, i don’t doubt for a second that everything will pass. hmm , we slavs tend to forgive and forget. and this, probably, is ours. here is such a historical, historically difficult mission, but it is also an honorary one because we are responsible for those e people who are behind us and and all these are our simple people and whose passers-by, mind you in of the orthodox church, the majority minority are priests and even fewer bishops, so i would like to wish that uh, the lord put that wisdom and courage into uh

, the archbishop metropolitan bishop of the ukrainian orthodox church historical, but rather the relationship and understanding of orthodoxy. hmm also cares more about his flock, which should not be betrayed by them. thank you very much. vladyka was answered for coming to our studio. thank you ekaterina pleasure. and it is true.

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