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let's continue the european theme this week , we continued to discuss the statement of the president of france, macron, about the eu's independence from the usa . today we discussed with vladimir chizhov, first deputy chairman of the federation council committee on defense and security, and another important topic of this week is the leakage of secret documents, the pentagon vladimir now i welcome you. thank you for taking the time, but there is something to talk about, how u how are you to a security specialist and, most importantly , to a specialist in europe, it seems to me that some revolutionary situations are brewing.

and first, let's probably start with mr. okron, who this week didn’t say here, do you understand a lot of things are being discussed and uh, of course, uh, is it a riot on the ship or was it just some words that then will be disavowed and in general the macron is bent. he will say, i'm sorry, you misunderstood me, and i didn't mean to say that at all. how do you assess the situation france rebelled or not? well, firstly , the fact that the macron is not speaking for the first time on his own behalf is not yet the position of all of france france is rebelling, but in a completely different way about the macron. and, well, as far as the president's statements are concerned, this is not the first time he has made such harsh statements in this country.

uh, in the nineteenth year, you probably remember, he generally agreed to the death of the brain of nato well , he turned out to be right, in fact, in fact, but we knew that even then, but he does not return to this topic anymore. now he began to say that europe should not turn into vassal of the united states well, it has long since become let's say so. well, that's not the problem in a different way. of course, i am not a doctor, uh, not a psychiatrist, and therefore i will not, but turn to the topic of a split personality, but it turns out that they are usually loud statements. they are in need, well, as the experience of recent years shows, they are not confirmed by specific changes in the policy of paris. but the talk

about nato's brain death and now that one should not be vassals? well, there will be no need for vassals, but strategic autonomy. they say no more first time for the first time. by the way, when it appeared, and the terminology, uh, in washington , i must say, out of surprise , they were even somewhat dumbfounded, but they became, uh. here, so to speak, the proceedings. and those who spoke on this part of the atlantic on our coast, as they say, they are, in fact, true, that is, you yourself wanted europe to be the hair of the euro. it sounded stronger, we just said, but you don’t like it anymore, so now it’s typical that the last replica of the macron, and the reaction is mainly uh in

european countries and not in the united states in the united states are probably already accustomed to his verbal escapades. and uh in europe uh and the germans. uh, painful reacted very mildly to the disease. they just, in my opinion, responded to the macron in a boorish way, the consequences will be the threats went right right because uh, any attempt by france in this case of a macron, but somehow, uh , to act in the role, the leaders of europe, the leaders of the european union, she immediately uh, encounters resistance from berlin in addition. i'm not talking about what they said in warsaw that said in kyiv e even do not want to repeat. and so uh, well, our policy in these

matters. she is, uh, principled consistently. we, uh, judge not by words, but by deeds about deeds, unfortunately, in the politics of countries. eh, western europe does not change, and yet there is this story with the blocking of france. there they cannot divide, where to buy shells in them, there is a large sum of more than a billion. uh, the euro and sort of like france is just what some observers have noticed. you see, i went to the sizoppinium, and the macron became bold from vetoing e. this one program for the supply of shells to ukraine well , it seems to me that this is some kind of hasty reaction after all. it's just a faction traded. what is intermediate? as they say, the move, but in general, what problems do they have that a certain amount was allocated through the lines of this european peace fund, but, and this amount

, as it were, for one number compensates for the costs that the eu countries have already incurred by supplying and supplying there is a fork in time from february to may of this year, but mm the question is different, if these notorious ammunition were not by the way, european production was bought somewhere outside the european union . is it possible to get compensation from eu funds for some compensation? this is the problem? as the budgetary discipline of the european union says, which are not directly related to politics, but nevertheless, there may, er, so to speak, certain problems. but look, it’s clear that in itself this is such a small step, it

doesn’t really say anything else. no confirmation of those words about which the macron said, but nevertheless, but really this reaction of germany she was extremely painful. i don't take. well, poland is understandable. although we will also talk about them now, because we also had a conversation today about poland, and off the top of it, saved our e parties in poland and there are questions that concern the whole of europe, so, uh, after all, one gets the feeling that in europe is raising its head by those forces that well, extremely, well , to put it mildly, are not very satisfied with the current situation, or you don’t have such an impression yet. i already have this impression as they say, not the first day and not the first month, but the situation with ukraine is this obsession with the ukrainian crisis. she is elementary uh, broad. ah, the masses of europeans are starting to get bored, and it's not

just about, uh, intellectual fatigue. and uh, that she , no matter what they say, that all the economic problems of modern europe are the work of the kremlin, but people, in general, are not so there, but hmm is poorly versed in the real world, so as not to understand what a current economic problems, but the problems are really serious. and my familiar colleagues. uh ex who work in europe they what is really, uh economic situation? it has deteriorated quite noticeably. this also applies to prices for uh, such items of expenditure, uh, of any, uh, resident. e countries

of the european union as electricity costs for gas for gasoline a and. e, moreover, e even europe despite everything, and attempts to fill it with cheap cheap, but ukrainian food, nevertheless, some elementary goods are already disappearing from e, supermarkets. again, inflation. i still remember a few years ago, the problem for the european union was too low inflation. they kept trying to raise it to two percent. she's getting taller. i didn’t raise half a percentage point in any way, and now, uh, in some eu countries, in general, uh, it is under 20%. but in general, he also stepped over the european union. eh, so to speak in double digits. nevertheless, it is clear that

no one is burying europe in terms of the economy, they survived the winter. er, for the rest, of course, nature has helped now a lot of talk about, er, how they will survive next winter. and most importantly summer, god forbid it will be more arid than everyone expects, but there is a definite problem with water, that is, in europe there are many questions, it is clear that gas prices. they lowered it, there is 80% of the peak again 400 there is 50 dollars. and this, of course, is the price almost even there, covid there in covid, and those were prices a little higher at the moment, that is, they stopped 20% of the industry, they stopped. uh, human consumption. well, they made them save. or rather, so to speak, but, that is, these are such emergency measures and how long they last. enough question here, but here is the moment, but this conversation about poland, which is arming, which says we will be better in 2 years than the army in europe , which determines germany's claims, although it cooperates with it very closely. and so

on. and now, you don’t have the feeling that this courage of the macron, the current one is still not quite the one of the nineteenth year about the death of, e, nato’s brain when he said that this was not just a tribute, but some kind of such a political moment? and the fact that france and, well, germany is smaller, it just depends, it dissatisfied with the fact that the states have put on poland and on western europe all this is a cash cow. for them, perhaps, such a feeling came from western politicians. and this is already serious. well, i wouldn’t try to see a direct causal relationship here, because, in principle, uh, the role of poland in europe is primarily pronate in the european union. i won’t speak, but it’s clear there, and the role of poland in the european union has always been so ambiguous, let’s say so after bridget after the uk left, and

poland tried all sorts of things, so to speak, well relatively speaking, take a place, and london e as the main brake. i'm kind of integration, that is, opposing myself to the tandem, berlin paris as far as they did it. eh, i think it didn't quite work out for us. the main thing is that now europe is somehow beginning to recover, though. of course, it's a big question. and here's another thing i wanted to ask you. uh, it's a matter of leaks. this is also the topic of the week being actively discussed. and how much misinformation there is, how much information there is. hey, how do you rate it? why it was done is clearly done. not a 21 year old pilot. uh, well, it's funny, of course, and i, of course, make it extreme for this guy who was arrested. however, what

was it anyway? how do you think? well, firstly, well, there, it seems, he served aloud, somewhere there are no conclusions, but uh, he is, uh, an officer of the national guard of the aviation unit of the national guard, well, god is with him okay? uh, this is no less than the switchman, that is, the national guard, it is decentralized with them, therefore , neither the pentagon is the commander for him nimister of defense, and the governor of massachusetts, who will have to deal with him. this is the first second. and all this leakage began yet. well, i operate with open data, i started back in january. but then she did not splash out with a wide one. e in a social network, but twisted e, within the framework of a certain community

, the participants of which, apparently, are the same young people as this organizer, but they themselves did not take it out of importance. and only when one of them isn't this guy. someone else spilled this case into the wide net. here. gone noise. uh, what does that say? this suggests that, of course, the level of control over sensitive information. obviously not enough. i'm not inclined to follow the conspiracy theories that this was all intentional, because then , uh, it's not clear. and by whom for what purpose? uh, there is, who is the beneficiary? could be? well, the fact that the special investigation that has been launched, that

the attitude of the former american leadership towards this is rather painful, suggests that it was not launched through an official line. of course, there is in each. structure government, including the united states intelligence services, there are those who are dissatisfied with the current political line, including ukraine, and they could use it. or maybe in the dark here these young guys to throw this stone into the same washington swamp. well, well, uh , let's see what the proceedings will come to that, of course, you will not envy this young man and his red shorts, apparently, will not

save him from serious things. ah, punishment. let's see. come on, you, a very interesting story. it certainly needs to be parsed. going on people think really how much it was intentional not intentional. how much is there, the truth is not true and so on, but one thing is clear that america is involved up to its ears in the conflict in ukraine and leads. they are now, of course, trying and cnn there were several such articles. and what do these leaks say about the fact that the special services were following the leadership of ukraine? oh god, as if they were watching the spree, and they were watching ukraine and merkel there, and they forgot ukraine well, this is ridiculous. they're trying, it seems to me now distance yourself from leadership. ukraine does not give you such an impression that the americans have but the fact that the leadership of ukraine is under a tight cap. oh, it's not just about tracking e statements, there are

some specific actions, but also a manual control mode. e, kiev, e, there are signs of him, and they are quite numerous. so, uh, to say that uh, uh, this is a leak, it uh adds some kind of, and information in this matter, probably, it would be another matter to overestimate this leak. and i noticed that for one element here this here these e in these materials folded there, and in four there eight times. apparently, they were stuffed into some pocket, but for the sake of taking it out, one moment in these publications caused a frankly furious negative reaction , first of all in kiev, these are the loss figures, uh,

the ukrainian side and the russian side, which they immediately said, but this is clearly someone corrected. uh, specially inflated ukrainian losses are understated russian. but i somehow think that just this element of these materials. he's probably closer to reality. what can be many of what we see and hear. yes, alekseevich , well, we have special services. they will analyze. this is not live, it is to compare their information that they have with this - this is not our business, our business is such a political component, so we discussed it for you hugely. thanks for this. but i think that we, because of europe, will carefully observe and continue to talk with you on this topic. thanks a lot. all the best.

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continue reading today is good friday. this means that sunday is the bright holiday of easter for the orthodox as it is planned to be celebrated in ukraine, we will talk about this with the chairman of the synodal department for relations between the church, society and the media and the moscow patriarchate vladimir ligoida, and vladimir romanovich i greet you. and well, how is there any information that now is right.