we continue the release today is good friday. this means that sunday is a bright easter holiday for the orthodox, as it is planned to be celebrated in ukraine, we will talk about this with the chairman of the synodal department for relations between the church, society and the media of the moscow patriarchate, vladimir ligoyda, vladimir romanovich i welcome you. well, how is there any information that now orthodox churches of the ukrainian church

are taking place in ukraine, what is the situation there? the situation is very complex information. you understand, now uh, reliable is not so a lot, though on the one hand. many post some kind of video that everyone can watch from the other side. it is not always clear when and where it was filmed. here but nevertheless, it is clear that all believers are trying to be in temples in those temples where there are opportunities for access, where there is an opportunity to perform worship. i mean, of course, believers and priests of the ukrainian orthodox church canonical pressure does not stop from the authorities. e ukrainian does not stop on the part of analysts, therefore, well, the situation is very, very difficult, of course. well, that's what you're talking about, right? lime roman what are these frames that are on the internet and so on? and, of course, they say that pressure on our orthodox christians, well, in general

, orthodox christians in ukraine continues to exist, and, of course, there are different shots that are unpleasant to look at, to put it mildly. a and. a. if there are any other details, i understand you very well, that indeed there is a lot of information that is not clear. today it turned out that information appeared that, allegedly, on the one hand, the police officers who will represent the authorities of ukraine will maintain order around the temples. there were some numbers there. eh, on the other hand. uh, today we received information that the president, mr. zelensky, ordered the withdrawal of police officers from major cities. well, with some of his own thoughts , can't this just be the kind of provocation that the ukrainian authorities are preparing against, uh , believers who go to the temples of the ukrainian orthodox church. well, of course, there can be any provocations, as far as the police are concerned, we have even seen the latest days and weeks, even more accurately than the kiev-pechersk lavra, that the police can behave

in completely different ways. she may not react at all. eh, let's say some tricks of people who came there, often even simply unbelievers in relation to believers who tried. eh, they continue to try to protect their shrines there, and sometimes the police intervene, that is, it’s hard to say, probably, the human factor plays its role here. uh, also different people and react differently, maybe different teams get hard to say, we at least we saw from those shots that were available that the police, i repeat, were conducted in different ways similar even to situations here, but as for the reviews, it’s very difficult, because repeating information is contradictory, for example, and about easter night in kiev very conflicting information for a few days. back here on the eleventh, in my opinion, the information came that, like, like the administration, the kievskaya stated that the need to somehow conduct remotely, and all easter services, since

curfew from zero o'clock until 5:00 am, and it will be impossible, accordingly, in no way, uh , you need to follow the curfew, then there was some clarified information, according to which hmm said that yes, curfew uh will be in effect, but here if people came to the temple before the curfew, they can stay in the temple until it ends. but it worked, in general, all night. that is, it is, of course, much more. how the ministry will continue, but no, i do not have such accurate data about how what decisions are made, how will it actually happen? is there any new information about the state of the hierarchs of the ukrainian orthodox church, who were wearing bracelets and so on, is there something new in their state? hmm physical. well, the general pressure on the church is not weakening. and well

, you probably know how in these passionate days it would even be somehow unexpected. if only it weakened, because this is a week when any believer tries, but somehow to go through this difficult way of the cross, which is all time the savior went to the ukrainian church, but really now he is on the cross. and as it would be rightly said, many hierarchies are not subjected to very serious pressure up to and including arrests. they probably meant him, uh, the vicar of the kiev-pechersk laurels , metropolitan pavel, who is under house arrest. here are the last days, i have not received any new information. but as far as i understand, he really is in the same layers in which he found himself a few days ago, when in fact, these shots flew around the whole world in fact. yes, when we put bracelets on him in the courtroom. ah. well, in general, this is a terrible sight, of course, but here, which

would not seem unimaginable, probably, but in the 21st century in a country that declares democratic principles, but somehow in practice it turns out completely differently. yes , vladimir romanovich it's definitely practice with words that don't go well with you, thank you so much. and what did they answer to our questions, and i remind you, we talked with the chairman of the synodal department for relations churches with the society and the media of the moscow patriarchate vladimir ligoido. well, let's continue talking about what is happening, and with the orthodox church in ukraine , radicals over the battalion maxim ostapenko were appointed head of the kiev-pechersk lavra, and in nikolaev, in one of the cemeteries, an announcement appeared of relatives buried according to the customs of the canonical ukrainian orthodox church. they will have to rebury the dead at their own expense; this is required by the rule of the new church. evgeny petrukhina, more about everything.

aren't these activists writing all this? those who, like this, attack the clergy. so this raiding pure water. and these supporters of the kiss also blame metropolitan onufry, russian citizenship. those who gathered at the walls on clean thursday, laurels to demand cleansing from the russian world. or maybe they themselves need to be driven, what is called a filthy broom, as suggested by one of the supporters. hrc lavra, she came with a broom, kiev tv channels, of course, called her a provocateur, but the parishioners of the lavra. if you fail , the bible will punish unless the bible says to adhere to the laws of the state in which we live. you know? this is all equals. on the other hand, if the state loves people, it doesn’t make such a war and such discord such guilt and such rosy sentences for 2 months metropolitan theodosius under house arrest with an electronic bracelet for allegedly supporting russia serbian

patriarch porfiry is not the first once calls for an end to the persecution of priests of the ukrainian orthodox church. today. we especially pray for the resurrected lord for the ukrainian orthodox church, its hierarchy and its faithful people who are being subjected to injustice, violence and persecution is the way of the transfiguration cathedral of the ukrainian orthodox church in the white church of the kiev region every now and then. the supporters of the dog are trying to interrupt, shouting curses, threatening to break into the church to metropolitan august, well, who went out to the journalists, they literally don’t let him say a word, because this is the house of god, how do you know what they will shout? they are screaming here, they will be screaming there with an ax, the sculpture has been smashed. christ opponents of the ukrainian orthodox church in the vinnitsa region. is this not satanism monks and temples of the nativity the most holy theotokos are already completing the restoration of christ but this release of ukrainian

news is unlikely to show, as well as 70 churches in donetsk from the mutilated shells of the all-ukrainian yevgeny petrukhin, alexander perkhunov. well, to one of the main topics of the day, the ministry of defense, by decision of the supreme commander , is conducting a sudden check of the combat readiness of the pacific fleet, the alarm was raised, the entire military personnel is working out missile guns on the ship's strike group and a ground object of a mock enemy , and long-range aviation is involved in the check commander-in-chief of the navy nikolai evmenonov. here is what sergey shoigu told the heads of the sudden exercises on defense at a meeting with the leadership of the leadership of the ministry today from 9:00 am vladivostok time will be on alert and began to conduct the highest degree of combat

readiness of their ocean fleet in full force , also the event involved part of the air space forces military units of the support unit the main purpose of this inspection of the armed forces is to solve the tasks of the minister of defense of poland said that in two year, his country will have the most powerful army in europe why poland is being pumped up with weapons and, in general, about the mood in polish society. today we had a talk with the russian ambassador to poland sergey andrey sergey vladimirovich hello, good afternoon.

well, we probably know how the interview will be structured the main question , to which i would like to get an answer, but in any case to speculate on this topic, and from poland they are preparing such, probably the main, uh, striking force and arming the question. now against whom because i will refer to the statement of the minister of defense of poland that in 2 years his side will be the most formidable military force in europe but this is a serious statement. what is it for? well, it's a suggestion. naturally, the russian threat and, accordingly, preparations to repel russian aggression, as regards the timing of e-e , yes, according to the law that was adopted in poland a year ago on the defense of the fatherland , a significant or significant increase in defense spending is expected, starting from this 23 year. not in the future will

to be at least three percent of gdp , the task was set to double more than double the number of polish armed forces c 150. well, now 160 to 300,000 people, but the milestone is not marked for 2 years, but somewhere in the mid-thirties. well , the minister of defense. he is also the deputy prime minister-cloak said that in the future he will have more of the strongest land forces. among european nato countries, we have adopted numerous arms programs according to experts. uh, the country expects to spend on the acquisition of new weapons about 10 billion dollars a year, despite the fact that the entire military budget of poland in the past twenty-second year was 12 billion dollars, spending not only from

the budget, but also outside the budget funds. so the ambitions are big in terms of their implementation. here, of course, there may be questions, because there are more than enough problems. here you rightly noticed. and where did the money come from, how did our classic and vladimir vysotsky , uh, did poland have problems in the economy? yes, now they are talking about the fact that the ukrainian free labor force is, of course, free of charge relative to the polish one, and greatly helps the polish economy to save. eh, work and so on. and yet. oh yes, the poles even benefit from certain things in some ways, but the actions that they are doing now in some ways they lose, and yet. what is the assessment now, well , you can see local experts in the economy of poland

in order to implement this program. well, you need money. and what kind of extra-budgetary funds do you know, i probably won’t give you convincing answers to these questions. and just because i don't know these answers, at the moment, the economic situation in poland as a whole is quite favorable for a relatively favorable, in general, moderate size of the state budget deficit. uh, the public debt is kept within manageable limits, the biggest problem is inflation, which, uh. now at a level of somewhere around 16-17%, in annual terms, but again, against the background of other western european countries , the european unions are not something extraordinary , these are problems that now concern everyone in many ways. this is also due to the voluntary

refusal in quotation marks by western countries. here cheap russian energy sources. why did you follow the rise in price of everything that is possible here, but as for. from the future, but then doubts about the lift for the polish economy. here are all of these weapons programs. they are expressed by opposition hmm political scientists, economists , constantly some kind of convincing explanations. uh, while on this account you were not followed, but simply present, as it were , the faith of the authorities that somehow these problems will be resolved. uh, sorry i didn't see detailed explanations, calculations and so on. well, as far as off-budget funds are concerned, securities are lowered due to which

, uh, loans are attracted. again, the means of the population. well, and so on. well, these securities. after all, someone buys the population of the business. the question is what form of voluntary voluntary forced or is there something else? this is because they can blame, if a person did not buy these papers, they will say, you are not a patriot of poland there. well, and so on. it doesn't come to that. yes , it does not, of course. but as far as the forced factor is concerned, so to speak. well naturally, let's say a state-owned company, but they can be muffled. let's say strongly, participation in, uh, mobilization of this money, but again, i don't want to go into any details here, just because if people are more competent in this area than me, who so far have not said anything convincing on this topic. well, i don't think there's

any particular mystery here. it seems to me that this is just american money that will be poured into poland in order to maintain combat capability and sell and their geopolitical plans, because here we will move on to them, because the impression is created. but what about poland? well, it's not only my impression. it's all about it they say that poland is being prepared for well, if not for a war with russia, then at least. eh, as the boss. you have already said what will happen, the main military force in europe and the military force of the rifle gives rise to power. as the chinese comrades said. and therefore, it means power and gives birth to more over europe. you know, firstly, i categorically disagree with the fact that that e armament is more building it up, and military capabilities will occur at the expense of the americans, this is not the case. everything that poland buys from the united states and from

other suppliers is done with polish money, the americans are not at all eager. uh, at some kind of preferential prices, to supply military equipment to large armaments , the poles have to pay for everything. eh, to the fullest . so, uh, even worse for the poles back then. if so, yes, but just let's look at things realistically and don't build anything. there are some illusions about this. yes, i have individual shipments that seem to be at a reduced price, but on closer inspection, it turns out that they are not very suitable. eh, this is the first, second, what concerns, what concerns. the role of poland in europe, yes. uh, prime minister rowiecki's visit to the united states has now taken place, and it seemed to be declared precisely in such a way that

poland, uh, is striving to establish its position as the main ally of the closest most trusted ally of the united states in europe and in this regard more e, speaks from more radical positions than the same germany there or france and, uh, proceeds from the fact that this is in the interests of the united states , as far as this is true, there are probably also nuances. but at least they make such a statement. but what about some kind of dominance of poland in europe, uh, which you mentioned. well, you see, such dominance is not built on wishlist alone , real potentials already matter here, it is clear that in this regard, of course, poland is far from being in the first roles in europe in the european union,

and nevertheless sergey vladimirovich here i wonder why in poland such a sweet life is obtained relative to other countries, because poland was on subsidies from the european union, it determines germany's claims . give us reparations and so on. why ? because the european union somehow clamped down on these subsidies, referring to the non-democratic approach of the constitutional court, poland and so on. and how can we understand everything at the expense of what the economy feels more good about? as you said? well, uh, in poland in principle, poland in principle, has achieved uh significant success in its economic development over the past 30 years, and especially since joining the european union in 2014 and 2014 . excuse me, from the ninety-second year and up to the covid until the twentieth year, and more

constantly, but constantly demonstrated the growth of its gdp, imagine that for almost 30 years. only the positive results of a single year in the red even in times of crisis and so on, of course, were also affected by support from the european union and, uh, significant significant benefits from the closest integration with the german economy of the main locomotive of the european union, uh, and this the factor continues to operate, it is more important even, perhaps, than the es subsidies, despite such acute relations between the two countries under the current authorities in poland, and the benefits that poland continues to receive from the closest economic cooperation with germany, they remain, of course, and germany is having

a hard time now and in times of covid and here i am from the current geopolitical situation, but for now this is the potential of the german economy, like a tractor, the polish economy. it's enough. well, that is you despite all these strife and so on. well, once conditionally speaking it. as i understand it, this friendship between poland and germany has such an economic basis. a sergeevich well, the end of the conversation. i would like to draw a conclusion. now poland, uh, after all, she is actively preparing for war. well we won't talk, uh with us not with us. and this is what is felt. in polish society , the atmosphere is being forced into a paramilitary, after all, preparation for war. it is carried out not only at tank factories, training grounds and so further. it is carried out in the media space. do you have this feeling or not? for now, of course, this is a constant

processing of public opinion, and by the authorities. and not only the authorities. in general, there are polish political classes in solidarity with regard to russia's approach to relations on our part. daria is escalating this one, and fears, uh, before the russian threat, solidarity in supporting ukraine somehow early against uh, against russia uh, in the same vein , public opinion is processed by all the mainstream media and about government opposition, with very rare exceptions, it is clear that this cannot but affect the mood in society, which is confirmed in general by the vast majority of questions of public opinion. so, uh, the fear of russia is present. uh, sort of support for the efforts that are being made to build up, uh,

defense capabilities, which, however , does not mean at all that the polish polish society is eager to participate. naturally, because even most people. hope for the fact that their share shines and somehow it will still manage without the direct involvement of the country in the conflict, and sergey ivanovich and what is called the move of the foot another question, and which can be very important. for some reason, i missed it now and i want you to remember this moment, but how many conversations in poland about, uh, tender friendship of zelensky’s visit , where he said that we would almost have borders and so on. well, everyone understands how. well, then, no, borders and so on. this means that a single state, like this the public is discussing more. yes, you know on the subject of uh no boundaries. eh, well, there were

, of course, separate statements of the souls of the fact that we are restoring the medieval speech of the commonwealth of two e, there both peoples or three peoples in different ways. however, the vast majority still proceeds from the fact that we are talking about bringing development and cooperation as close as possible, and so on, but not about any kind of unification of the two states , simply because this is serious here. uh, viewed by analysts as unrealistic scenarios. thank you very much support support for ukraine in its confrontation. with russia, yes. and here's something else outside that is already perceived with a great deal of caution. well, that is, friendship friendship from tobacco is still apart just like that, especially over the past year here. a very ambiguous experience of close coexistence with a sharply increased

ukrainian component here. so there are more than enough questions. moreover, now almost the most acute problem in poland is the influx of ukrainian agricultural products before of all grain, which sharply hits the interests of the country's agricultural population. and this is a very significant part of the electorate , primarily the ruling party of law and justice, and elections in the fall. now there is a feverish search for ways. how to solve the problem of selling cheap ukrainian agricultural products on the polish market. how to protect the interests of the pulse and the villagers, while the decision already taken at the eu level does not allow the return of duties. uh, the market is open for some administrative measures while they are standing, so now here is perhaps the most acute question of the polish domestic, well, to

a certain extent, and to a certain extent, foreign policy is also known. yes, i'm serious. well, there, it seems, how his articles appear that the claims of polish grain buyers who bought it, how the food turned out to be technical, that is , these topics went there, but we really just this topic. and with you finally left it extremely, sharp. well, i think it will develop. we 'll talk about everything. and now you are huge. thanks for taking the time. all the best. thank you until goodbye. on this, i say goodbye to my alexander kirensky, after a short advertisement of our broadcast, the program will continue on duty . all the best.

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