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if you like bonuses, now the scooter has saver thank you sign in with your savings and earn bonuses by paying for orders with any card, and then debit up to 99% from saver thank you for new purchases details in the app. i greet everyone who joined us on the air, the fifth studio is a place where we traditionally have the opportunity to look at the event happening around us a little more closely than the usual news format allows. and this morning, following the messages that come from kiev, the pechersk lavra parishioners were allowed to go inside. after law enforcement officers have completed the verification of reports of mining, according to the union of orthodox journalists. let me remind you that this morning there was information that some kind of explosive device could allegedly be planted on the territory of the lavra. in this connection , in fact, the police arrived at the scene.
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the parishioners were not allowed inside , the police checked the messages at the same time, and now they are investigating the case of the penetration of believers into the sealed building of the lavra, i remind you that this case was opened the day before, and it is connected with the fact that believers allegedly broke the so-called shutters, well, or roller shutters. yes, these are such structures that close. the transparent part of the glass or door, when the believer actually opened them, these same roller shutters saw that inside in a sealed room , according to them, there are monks who cannot get out of there, and the room sealed there, allegedly, some investigative actions are being carried out. at least, that's what the official authorities said, but about what is happening now with the lavra. and most importantly, what all this can lead to, we will talk with protoria andrey pavlenko, rector of the svetotikhvinsky church in lisichansk, father. andrey hello, please what do you think this story is about?
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it may end up in her, of course, i mean a criminal case, but on the one hand, how real do you think the likelihood of a real serious persecution of believers for that, well, according to the police from vandalism, which they allowed themselves, and on the other hand. how do you assess the situation in which the monks can simply be locked up, and locked up not by some bandits or radicals, but by the police well, the fact is that here we can say, so i see the goal, i see no obstacles, in principle, the justice of the ukrainian justice authorities. i tested it myself a year ago, so they will not stop at anything given the task of capturing the kiev-pechersk lavra, liberating it from the ukrainian orthodox church, and you are its clerics and monks. we see that for several weeks now, people have been arrested in the locality on various charges, again, which have nothing to do with jurisprudence. uh, today, as we see at night, victoria kakhanovskaya was already detained
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a human rights activist who is a fully competent person in the legislation, not only ukrainian, but international with them. there we also saw that several more people were detained, also what we have been seeing for the past month. this confrontation only intensifies every day near the pechersk lavra, of course, the authorities do not go. for an open assault, as if the police there are not tear gas for this yet, but all sorts of conditions are created every day more and more pressure on the believers on the brothers laurel. eh, we can watch this during the whole month, how it happens, so that they leave the abode faster, so that they leave the lavra faster, they never gathered again. that is, i power will not be before. the further you stop, in principle, they go according to the knurled scenario. as they do in western ukraine, when they seized cathedrals and churches, in lvov ivano-frankivsk we
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also saw a party of ternopil mills. uh, basically time and as they say, they speed up, and i think that we are still in the next we'll see the days. uh, some even more tragic events are even further away, because, well, this is a reason to be able to go inside by a law enforcement agency, so far only by a law enforcement agency, but i do not exclude the possibility that the radicals were also used, as they were used, here ivano- of the frankish lviv diocese these weeks, so the authorities will not stop at what they have in mind and will continue their actions like this. you mentioned victoria kakhanovskaya. let's tell our viewers, yes, that she is a person who protects the kiev-pechersk lavra was abducted right during the live broadcast, which she led from the walls of the monastery. in fact, social media. you could watch it all. this is what i mean by the fact that everything that is being done now by the kiev-pechersk lavra is not a secret. it is openly broadcast. moreover
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, today, in my opinion, they do not boast about this individually, even in the telegram channel of the ukrainian orthodox church. there was information that the one plus one tv channel was invited to the lavra in order to film these very orthodox, but believers, who allegedly, according to official kiev, are trying to break through. so they are trying to interfere with the police on the territory of the monastery, well, obviously this does not correspond to those. the performances that kfc today has the appointment of laurels from your point of view of the andrey theater is it what? well , the monks will be expelled well, and all the orthodox, for some reason, will either be arrested or intimidated, well, they will stop going to the temple, and then what will happen to them? well, the schismatics will come and occupy them. and what? a nothing further, the most important thing is victory, we drove the moscow patriarchate out of the kiev-pechersk lavra - this is a big victory. this great achievement will be shown by the ukrainian authorities, as they say, that we have overcome the fifth column in our capital and in the country, that we have dealt a crushing blow,
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as they call us the fsb, what is there for the clergy who are in ukraine, that is, uh, further there is none. after all, look, the upper lavra has been seized since the nativity of christ, and people in the service do not go to the dog. e people don't visit temples. but it's still big, well, the construction of a brick has become such a mini city that needs it. well, here's how to take ethical laurels, believers are now watching this and heating. well, that's all we understand about the content, laurels, kill and all the content of lavra in a schismatic church. there are no monastics in general, they have a very small number. that is, as we see the brothers are not going to move. in the direction of potsu, one of their bishops in zenkevich even said today that let the brothers leave, in general, as you already said from the lavra become, as he said porters janitors. well, just let them leave the monastery, that is, uh, they don’t realize at all
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that they are getting into the hands of the great shrine with great national ones. let us speak international shrines world saints. they do not give an account of how they will look after this, what they will do with them, how events will go on in the lavra itself, that is, the main goal is to expel the moscow patriarchate from it, the pechersk lavra, everything in general, and then what will happen there ? after all? see even the minister of culture himself, he cannot decide. he says, either we will make a museum there, or we will give it to the schismatic church for use, or we will make something else out of it, that is, the government itself. state. she cannot say what they want to do with the lavra after they expel our clerics from there, but it is very sad, because it is not even the 24th and fifth year when they were expelled by the brother for the first time, when there was an autopsy of the relics, when they announced lavra reserve, it is already beyond this
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even go. uh, that is, uh, there is no such thing logical explanation or reasonable thinking about what they want to make e cheese cakes in the pechersk lavra, you mentioned the minister of culture pan from kochenko, so i remind you that there is nothing sacred that the inventory of power was going to be carried out absolutely seriously, this is not absurd and not fake this is really a person. he says that he needs to come and check. and how are they generally stored and stored there and amazing or this. or maybe the monks did something with them. and you need, of course, monks. so, check for sure. they didn't just pray. and if we ignore the enormity of the absurdity of the situation and return to the believers from your point of view, in general. what is the likelihood that the ukrainian orthodox church in ukraine will be able to resist and how broad is the support of the people today for the church. can they come to her defense? well, so to speak, at this very last one it will be clear that people
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come to the walls, people pray, we saw a huge number of these shots, but in most cases, you are stronger than the radical. moreover, that they are supported by the authorities. it is clear you we ourselves see that the believers again. we will touch even in western ukraine go out to defend churches and monasteries, the kiev-pechersk lavra - this is a great feat. it's just that i, as myself, a former resident of ukraine, these months. this is indeed a great feat, because there is intimidation and there are arrests. these are articles. here we are again moving forward, they are talking about ad-de-communization, but we are just moving forward the thirty-seventh year. there articles go from 8 years to life imprisonment. eh, for here such are the protests against the government, and people, despite all this, come out to defend the lavra, as we know, the people themselves have already declared in ukraine that they remain with our church. they don't support non-consumer. the church will not act on the action of the authorities in relation to our church, and therefore people will go out
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to the last, we will also see new confessors for our church, who will also be arrested, like victoria well, narrow, like digging fruits, like other clergy. there will be who can even endure and beatings, like us we see that there have already been such skirmishes, that is, people will follow the faith of the cross to the end, and the use of radicals in the end will be the power to use it, it uses it very strongly. and of course, you correctly said that this is the last battle. this will be the last fight. he , but he will be people will stand up to the end, regardless of everything we see further, because many are already being talked and intimidated, but people continue to defend their shrines. but it's hard for me to say. this will give practically nothing, because the power is on the side of the authorities now, acting on ukraine strength. indeed , the radicals are on the side now and they will now e act very, as they say, radically and quickly.
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you are now or now you are the rector of the temple in lysichansk yes, and how from there both believers and clergymen can look at what is happening on the territory of ukraine now from the russian regions and absolutely nothing can threaten orthodoxy. and how do you see the situation from there and do believers have any understanding at all? well, in general, they escaped nothing. well, first of all, very people are very everyone is very much worried about these events that are taking place in ukraine, and in the russian federation in the new territories , people are praying . the clergy have been praying for more than a month purely for the brother of the brick lavra so that the lavra and the saints do not remain intact. eh, they support them in every possible way, as soon as possible, in our
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situation, in principle, they are very compassionate and sympathetic, in the current event, both the clergy and parishioners and just ordinary citizens of our country. they are all very worried and everyone is following the events of the czech lavra, and the people who are there feel a lot of support in this. there they understand, they feel , of course, they somehow secretly see both telegram channels and our channels they watch with you. and this is their breath, of course. you maintain that none of them are abandoned. and that it is true, and this is how it should be continued, that they see support in us. thank you very much, father. andrey, yes, probably, in general, prayer help, alas, but in this situation is the only help that can be provided, yes acted. yes, thank you very much. thank you for being in touch with us today. of course, we will continue to follow the ongoing events, but we continue to talk about the situation in ukraine, where, as we see, with one hand, the authorities are destroying
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the orthodox faith, and destroying it. it is very zealously very aggressive and very violent, but with a different hand. as a matter of fact, you destroy your former fellow citizens of those who, for one reason or another. yes, generally understandable reasons no longer wanted to live in this country, the total volume of us military assistance to ukraine, first of the russian special military operation. reached thirty-five almost a half billion dollars. and this is actually. the data that the pentagon announced, more and more new weapons are coming to ukraine , the ministry of defense, which confirmed the receipt of the second air defense installation , and there is a lot of talk now that more and more and more weapons are needed, and obviously everything has been provided for these same 35 almost and a half billion dollars is not enough andrey gurulyov is in touch with us. do you hear me? hello please tell me from your point of view andrey viktorovich but these
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deliveries that are already on the one hand are those that are coming now and what ukraine continues to wait for, they still, how ukraine hopes for this, will turn the tide. think about looking realistically, if ukraine armed forces of ukraine were ready for this offensive, then they would have carried it out long ago, because all the other excuses are either mud or cold. well, like uncle's ball, which the paw breaks, the tail falls off. yes, this is all from the evil one, to be honest, because it is the readiness of strike groups that determines, uh, those goals and tasks that are set, because they are also ready with the enemy. today they adequately assess, including our troops, which during this time they received it and new weapons and completely new weapons and defense
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of the industrial complex. works well today. of course you want more, as always, but it will all come with time. that's why they are pushing the offensive there, but they well aware of what else is out there. that's right. in general, it would be beneficial for you, frankly, for them to climb someone on the offensive and pompochka, which, well, or help or sponsorship, but the war that is taking place in the west. she at this stage proceeds from that situation. they give for whom they can, because, uh, they also have not the unlimited possibilities of their military-industrial complex to provide , among other things, a ukrainian company. they are today, in addition to sponsoring ukraine, they think a lot about themselves and analyzing theories that take place on the territory of ukraine in this battle weighed heavily. all weapons perform well. it's better here. someone is worse, someone is completely useless. and, of course, irises mentioned it there, well, or other air defense systems well, this is the system
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that will probably cover critical important objects in the depths of the territory of ukraine, certainly not at the forefront in any way on the situation that is around today around she won't be affected. at the same time, you mentioned sponsors. yes , who endlessly generously give to ukraine weapons, but politics today writes about the fact that between france and poland, uh, disagreements arose at the level of diplomats. uh, because, in fact, just the supply of weapons to ukraine, the dispute arose from the opposition of france , which believes that contracts for the purchase of ammunition should be concluded only with companies from the european union and representatives of a number of others. e members of the bloc, nato believe that it is necessary to include a list of companies from the us and the uk don't you think that sponsors make very good money on this. that's who how many weapons did you put in? who will produce how many contracts received? yes , in general, judging by everything, this is an extremely profitable story for europe and especially the united states. let's put it in simple terms. this is
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a purely painful story. why because poland today earns crazy money on the transit of weapons and other materiel? it's true, and france , which today is happy with the whole thing, is looking at it, trying at least somehow. and the task of its military-industrial complex in order to participate in this matter, but the americans are not they really want france to participate there, because they have their own military-industrial complex. and this is the fight that unfolded. this is purely a struggle between capital, who will put where, how and what, but after all, the toilet bowl of possibilities and limitless also france, therefore, uh , today the main thing for poland is the one whose volume is, so that in no case it was, therefore, that they arrived crazy today. it's true and others earn money. ukraine tells us more and more and more give us weapons, but with the same as here, you just know in a simple way people are dying ukraine does not feel sorry for people. well, what will they regret today?
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now i will say so cynically to a military man for me. now, the more they destroy, the easier it will be for us in the future, because , fully understanding that the ukraine project was covered with a copper basin once and for all, in principle, all these fanatics who will die today on the battlefield will never exist again . probably later they won’t have to relocate the harm of magadan there, the kolymas are somewhere else and re-educate, and so on and such a long tedious business, and unfortunately, apparently, it is useless. this is our very history when he released prisons. it all started with an awl and started all over again. well, i want to remind you that on our territory today, fragments of this bendery are casting their vote, and in the irkutsk region and so on in the east, this also exists, so you don’t need to ask me a question just about the counteroffensive with which you started yes, and today’s ours today's broadcast, and many western buildings today. uh, somehow in one voice. this is generally amazing, unanimity
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always present in the western media, they say that the next 24 hours will be the most decisive, the first 24 hours of the ukrainian counteroffensive, everything will immediately become. clearly the enemy. there will run will not run. will ukraine turn out to be stronger, so from your point of view, this is in general, well, what is this already a completely frank push of the series there is nowhere else to wait. let's counter advance. billions, according to which you told they are dog-like what should be the result too? that is, for this money, they want what, of course, is correct, the final product is conquered some territories. well, and so on and so forth like this, and the fact that they are there shouting to sell for 4 hours, if you take an elementary textbook on the tactics of operational art, then it will just be written to you that this is the first 24 hours. well, this is not something that is a turning point, but in principle, it determines at least further events. there is nothing new here. here they simply took a russian textbook , copied it and were able to impose it on the accesses. that
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's all. thank you very much. thank you. andrey viktorovich that were on our air today, a i, of course, have only one more quotation to add. that is, by the way, the western media, where, citing sources, they report that they underestimated the projectile appetites of ukraine ukraine, while for some reason they do not specify that where do these most numerous projectiles delivered by western sponsors go, actually, they go, not only to fight the evil according to ukraine, russia is also going to attack civilians, including in donetsk luhansk zaporozhye kherson regions, but for some reason these the most western media, which, as we see , have read military textbooks. textbooks of military strategy and tactics do not bother to report. thank you for your attention.
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