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hello ekaterina gracheva is a weekly program of the church and we are on channel russia 24 visiting me today, deputy head of the moscow patriarchy bishop, zelenograd savva vladyka hello ekaterina igorevna christ is risen, i also congratulate you on the holiday. and here's where i'd like to start. you are new to your telegram channel wrote, and you lead it. and now, in the credits, we will once again remind the viewers what kind of telegram channel this is, how to find you with a cogit erg, you wrote two programmatic posts, where, uh, touched on the future geopolitical results of the special operation in ukraine and talked about the direction in which it should develop our fatherland tell us about what you think,

and what will be the geopolitical results for russia or ukraine, most likely, as it seems to me, i am a small geopolitician. but it seems to me that he will change e, defined in the form of his configuration. yes, it will become the very multipolar world that many countries are striving for, but in fact i wrote about something else about what exactly is important, how people will perceive the situation, how people will change, what will need to be, how to work with people, in the end, the prospect of e development of society after the war, in addition to geopolitical results. yes, but a change in the system of international relations, and a change in borders there. uh, changing some other geopolitical components is probably the most important thing, because for us, uh, it’s not important as much geopolitics in principle as the well-being of our fatherland and our people is inseparable from the other yes , geopolitical results, and the world from the state and welfare of our people of our

fatherland. it is important for us that our people live. well, and this does not mean that others should live. it means badly that we care about what matters to us, if it’s very primitive to put it and my reasoning was that, ah, if with the best uh from the point of view, i don’t know the military command from the point of view of international relations from the point of view. well these various components. and even if the results are the best for russia, yes, then if at the same time we do not change, uh, as a people we are changing now, as a people this is very evident over the past 2 years. as manifested very much, for example, the solidarity between people showed itself very clearly. yes, help to those who, uh, who need it, uh, to those who are refugees, and to those in the territory where hostilities are taking place, and help to a warrior. eh,

well, many, many, many. yes, people are going , and this is not happening on some kind of order. from above, namely, this is such a popular movement going on, but really, in the best sense of the word, a patriotic upsurge. mm. if you say patriot patriotism. this is what this love for the fatherland is manifested by the desire to build the fatherland yes, there is the notorious import substitution. well, such a technical term, but what is that, this remark means that we are building inside, we are building our fatherland, our science is ours, our entrepreneurship. uh, i don’t want to say, again, that everything is fine in this area, but we are building our fatherland very spoke brightly. uh, the last months are about the spiritual and moral values ​​of the years. prefer the term spiritually different ideals of our fatherland. this does not mean that they have already been mastered by everyone, that we are all so wonderful talking about it. this is good , it is very important that all this is preserved and

developed further, because this is what constitutes a soul. that all this is important for the people, so that a and in the future it is precisely this, so that it’s not just pleasure with the fact that conditionally our troops have reached somewhere or what we have achieved justice in international relations hmm fair consideration of the interests of russia and that we also change, and how do you feel about the fact that more and more often even from people who have not been noticed as people of strong faith, and in one phrase it can sound with us indeed, god is with us. now, if shaman released this track, treat this track, there are also words there, he is a clique against the backdrop of the kremlin. what is the truth and god behind us? i'm probably, um, probably on my own. e isn't a pleasure to many, but i don't really like this one. uh, this is the performer from an aesthetic point of view, it's not for me. that's why i don't listen to him. i am not criticizing those

who listen to him. i disagree. with those who raised there, in my opinion, on the internet, i’m arguing that this is some kind of revival of russian fascism - this, of course, was such a stigmatization attempt. m-m, you know such a public denunciation, but what , uh, over there, such a need for it, now the russian fascists are raising their heads an attempt. this is how to frighten people by returning some fears of the past. this is absolutely unacceptable. well, it's just not aesthetically pleasing to me. close, so i did not listen to him, so answer you about this particular artist. i can't. and that people remember god and why not, but coming to god he can be very gradual, someone comes to god as through some kind of quick insight. yes, well, something came to him with her, someone through suffering, someone, and someone very slowly at first is interested, then turns on, then becomes really

so active. a christian is bad in many different ways. if this just becomes a saying, but then again, well, here it is necessary to to every single person. uh, probably, um, uh, to talk alone about whether this or that is generally bad or good. well, if you yourself mentioned such a word as diarrhea. well, firstly, hmm, i’ll start with the news, and which happened there the other day, a mother in moscow wrote a denunciation to the police about her own daughter because of disputes about her daughter taking about the ukrainian side in this matter of family conflicts, the mother about russia almost simultaneously with this question about attitudes towards denunciations was asked to the press secretary president. peskov, he denounced as a disgusting practice, expressed the hope of quoting that denunciations would continue to be read as a disgusting phenomenon in the future. earlier, he urged not

to consider those who were frightened and did not understand the decision of the authorities at the beginning of the war operations in ukraine, in other words, the country left the country. here you are as a priest. let's imagine the situation at confession , the daughter of this mother came to you and, uh, told that her mother wrote a denunciation to the police about her, and she asks a question based on her political position. how do i treat mother. how to continue to build relationships with her so that you can answer her. you know, i never, as far as i can remember, answer such questions. uh, it's completely impossible to talk about what i would say to a person in confession who does not see the person in front of him. now, if a person comes to confession, uh, i can listen to the circumstances. i can find out how the person himself relates to this situation. and how can he tuff forgive not forgive, how he perceives it himself as the causes of this conflict. this is when a person himself comes hiccuping in his sins. they are in the sins of their mother or their daughter or their neighbors. here, therefore, if e with this terminological clarification, but oh, if

a person asked me for advice, a on a particular topic. again, i do not answer such questions until i see a person. and well, i won’t ask, if he asks what advice i have, maybe he wouldn’t advise anything, if there is a situation where a person does not need to be advised, he must make a decision on his own regarding denunciations. well, you know we are taught from childhood that i don't need explain, and very people people like to operate with words that up to the toe of the first whip. and, although, in fact, initially the proverb referred to a complex denunciation. well , whatever, that's the crux of the problem. what is the denunciation in what? why is this attitude to hmm, i have dinner for denunciations by people, but because , as a rule, they see it not in this, not and the problem is not in the denunciation itself, but in the untruth of the person who informs, but because they see that, for example a person. well, besides the abomination of the false denunciations themselves. yes, they see that a person informs not because he is looking for

justice. yes, and actually it 's something that thin history children sometimes come and complain about taking sisters there. not because they want to talk badly, because they feel insecure. yes, especially when these are younger children in relation to older ones. this is a very subtle story. very often, denunciations stem from what , uh, from the desire, uh, for some kind of self-interest, yes, we know these stories, when a scammer received, say , property, but from the one to whom he denounced, but from the desire to see the suffering of a person. yes, such sadism, let's say it suffers not because it justice. this relationship to the scammer is precisely transferred to the very fact of detection. a problematic situation, well, uh , in fact, if we say, let's say, well, i actually read a lot of memoirs, including uh, uh, pre-revolutionary gendarmerie. yes , it was the special services, external agencies and the prevention of terrorist acts,

of course, but i don’t believe that work with informants also played a huge role. yes. this absolutely inevitable thing is necessary if a person finds out about an impending terrorist attack and comes to report it to the police is it a denunciation or not? so the question here is what exactly is going on. yes, as far as what does uh, this or that person is, but dangerous to society. yes, you iraqis, this is obviously such a great danger to society that, of course, it is not possible. and you can’t keep silent about there is such an algorithm, uh, which the gospel proposed by the gospel is said like that. if your brother sins against you. he began his appearance in private, if he does not listen to you in private, then invite witnesses, friends of mutual acquaintances, and expose him in front of two or three witnesses, if he and common mutual friends, but conditionally, if he does not listen to them, then tell the church, well, to the entire church community.

and if the church does not listen, let it be to you as pagans itarit. well, that is, an outcast person, of course, this is an analogy. it is not impossible to transfer literally to legislation, but there is a certain truth in the intentions of the approach here. i don't have a specific answer for every situation. again, each situation should probably be considered individually. for example if teacher e teaches at university a and to a large audience of students. e, talks about what well, i don’t know, for example, what to pass on to the motherland. well, it's okay , it's important to pass on in the sense of giving up the motherland, it's okay, it's important that the person himself be comfortable. well, there is a question here. his pedagogical competence, yes, this is exactly what this university wants to transfer from students from the context, and there is also a very general very broad concept of betrayal of the motherland, we are now to you too come. no, this is interesting. here. why discuss anything? there are nations where, well, let's say it is

given from squealing. they are sometimes even a national trait. for example, the swiss and the motive behind this is independent. all live very well. and i follow the rules of the germans austrians. they are the same and you follow the rules. here will be a small, village hmm parked cars. uh, or there in the underground parking lot of their chalet uh, the neighbor wheeled in, because i bring a real case, drove the wheel into the parking lot, they smile at the neighbor, they call the police, they fine or, for example, he threw out they've had separate garbage collection for a long time, and you buy bags for money in order to uncover your garbage. here they see that someone threw it out, huh? the beer package is just in the usual , here it is, the system of denunciation of the swiss works very well. it seems to me that we are in our country, but we ended this slander after the thirties there, yes, after the departure of stalin and now we see more and more in the news, but

this is what the wife reported there, that the ex-husband, but because he pays alimony and hides there from mobilization. here, look for him. here, there, the mother wrote a denunciation of her daughter there for this. so it's already becoming the norm. the teacher wrote. uh, snitching schoolgirl. there for anti war drawing and so on. that is, it is already like, well, such a kind of signal. ah, aren't you afraid that it will become some kind of national feature against the background of your own. this is definitely not conducive to the consolidation of the nation. i hope that this will not happen, but then again, look, learn to write, because my daughter drew it, i don’t know that, maybe tried, but they tried first to talk to call, there is a team of teachers or other students. well, again, here is the wife who informed her husband that he was hiding there from the mobilization, you know, he wanted it to be bad. she is the same as what was needed initially to hmm yes, that is, it has

its own place. this is an evil intent. yes? and this is an evil intention again. and why? and we , children, have been talking to children since childhood. i don’t do anything because parents don’t want to know about problems between children, they happen, especially, when the older one offends the younger ones precisely because, as a rule, sneak she her reasons are the evil of the one who sneaks, who wants to annoy the other with something. yes, there was a period of mass denunciations, but again, they consider it as something negative in general in our culture. uh, snitching always. uh, it was assessed negatively from the news , amendments to the legislation were introduced, and a life sentence for betraying the motherland for high treason. how do you feel about this here the question is, what qualifies as a state treason qualified, as deserving of you

a life sentence. and this is an action that causes great damage to our fatherland, which leads to m-th danger for our fatherland. well, for example, look when a person, by his actions or words, leads to the fact that his immediate action leads to the fact that sanctions are imposed on our country that significantly worsen the well-being of our people. also, treason is not a danger to life, but this is also the same treason their people. this is treason to one's neighbor, this is infliction of intentional harm on one's countrymen, since i am not a lawyer. i won't define it, intuitively i can tell you that this is how i feel it, but uh, like any legislation, it's all a matter of accuracy of wording. here, if i sit down with uh paper, a pen, and hmm with all sorts of tomes on a legal topic, i'll be ready to answer more accurately. i'm still a person more than a written word, to be honest, you

recently buried maxim fomin known to everyone, and under the pseudonym of vladlen tatarsky baikor, who, by the evil of the lesson, was also a close friend of dari and dugina, who also died at the hands of terrorists in both cases, and the murder was interpreted as a terrorist attack. what do you think? why did daria dugina and maxim fomin become targets? in this case , there is in a sense a metaphysical component, uh, they were bright, and bright people are quite young people. uh, giving, younger, maxim was already 40, but they were bright young people who, uh, were very popular and at the same time said hmm about things in different things. of course, they talked, especially maxim, he talked a lot, including his purely, practically military. ah,

it's called practical military topics, but he said a lot, despite the fact that he is such a nugget. yes, he did not have a systematic philosophical education, unlike darius a. he talked a lot. oh, well, let's just say the metaphysics of war, but about the internal spiritual causes of war, but about why we are at war, and he spoke this to a wide young audience. that is, he took on just such an audience, and which am, which are passionate, and this is a great force. and doom and even really giving away dugin also really influenced a very large young audience in exactly the same way. and i also think that even from the point of view of expediency for the enemy to exterminate those who strengthen the spirit of our people, and they were really such goals.

and secondly, this is still demonic malice, they talked about god, including talking a lot about god in the context, and the revival of our people and this was completely unacceptable for those people who a allowed, as the holy one said at the end last year was admitted diabolical. cancer of their hearts. this is including the reaction of besa in a couple of days we will celebrate may 9, victory day in the great patriotic war. and what do you think, is there much in common at all, if there is something in common between the great patriotic war in the understanding of the russian people and between a special military operation, and is it appropriate these parallels, which are increasing in number, on the one hand, we are certainly talking about the fact that, uh our warriors, yes, we are all in fact all of our country is already fighting against uh, the forces that a-a are at war with the russian

a man with a russian man with a russian with russianness, as an ethnic group? yes, and we see that russianness is there, uh, in favor in the state. uh, in fact, not for the first year, not so long ago, we remembered odessa. how people were burned there , precisely, because they were russians on the one hand. and this is certainly what brings e, the current hostilities with the great patriotic war is what e separates, which for a long time, although now we know that more and more. uh, the front on the other side is saturated with mercenaries, and saturated with the people of others. e from other countries but for a very long time, and even now there are still many of those who fought on the other side. these were the same russian people, but deceived deceived by propaganda often do not remember this video.

the roles that someone posted there soldiers of ukraine when they captured some of our warriors and the one who takes him prisoner says, and where are you from there from there, and i’m from a neighboring village there, in the donbass in donetsk the people's republic is still cut in half by the fronts. that is, these are people with actually. these are those, and those and others are russian people. and this is in this sense, and uh, the head of the russian state spoke about this, that in this sense it is, but a war among themselves. of course, there was no great patriotic war. so, there are matching and non -matching properties here. more according to m-m statements. not so long ago, the holy patriarch kirill expressed concern about the problem of the influx of migrants in russia. i think it is important to talk about this now, because the season of this very influx is just beginning. that is, we know that migrants in russia work on shifts. yes, from may to september, then to himself to the people. here are the herds of the patriarch, the appearance

of a significant number of carriers of other customs. it can seriously change the life of our people, including endangering the preservation of its spiritual foundations and traditions. and he cited as an example, kosovo and you, too, coincidentally. recently, just this very topic was written in a rather harsh form, so i will quote. is it possible that we invited these people to build something for us and earn for their families, but instead they build for themselves or otherwise, do the guests of central asia come to to work or to occupy our country, but this is a rather harsh statement. let me explain, first. we see that the number of crimes committed by migrants is increasing. the head of the ministry of internal affairs, our federal minister, spoke about this, but in plain text, that a personal number commits a crime by emigrants. this time. and secondly, we see that many migrants, despite the requirements

of the law. and this is a question for those who allow them to do this. many grants do not even bother to learn russian, but we all have practically come across couriers. with it is difficult for them to explain on the phone how to get to the place where i am waiting for you, these are my apartments or to my entrance. well, this is disrespect to uh, us to us russian people we are not. and what are we called racists, we are not what we want, but to humiliate them, but, but you came to visit us. we must lay down to treat us, our people, our customs. you know there is when tourists travel to exotic countries. there, especially in asia , they always warn. what do you see, they have such an ordinary conditional there, there is no need smear there with your left hand. i came up with this, the chinese are already great cards yellow red. here's to getting out of the country. if you don't follow them. uh, traditions are fine, here. well, we, too, may have our traditions, strange for migrants, but they must

observe them. they must respect our country, our traditions, our culture, and our language. this is, uh, if they don’t do this, and they don’t behave like guests, but like occupiers, if it’s customary for you to develop shoes at home, when a guest enters, and you warned about this guests, and he comes and walks around your house in dirty boots, it is clear that he, to put it mildly , behaves like no guest. but as a host. here, that's exactly what it's about. i wrote, but from a point of view, but from a spiritual point of view, but from the point of view of what you said holy, that the patriarch then, and if it is not controlled, then at some point there may be a preponderance of those rather passionate, rather active people who come and who want to behave in a way that is not customary with us and how, including from a religious point of view, and this is not a question, but

islam and christianity. we have many muslims referring to us as our multi-component russian people. old russian uh muslims from the caucasus e. russian, uh, russian bashkirs, and all these muslims , as a rule, they have traditions, and the behavior of the tradition of their traditions of behavior differs from what customs muslims come from, hmm, and as migrants. that is, our country has developed in our country for many centuries, and good neighborhoods between us, in one large multi-component russian people , the neighborhood between us different nationalities different, and even different religions, customs of different ethnic cultures. but what is happening now is bad faith. it's true. this, i

believe, is an attempt to recoup us. why? and migrants hardly speak russian. this same before teorechit legislation. then they are not allowed to work. this means that somewhere the law is not executed, because therefore, and the law must e be executed in full b. uh, well, these are economic questions. i'm not a big economist, but i'll say it as a layman. and why on these positions of couriers of janitors builders do not take russian people, someone will say that because the russians. hey man, lazy. i don't think this is true. well, most importantly, i want to talk about the third. and what about the third, and in order to, in addition to well, dwell on strict compliance with the law. and yes, these are the main ones. uh, ways. this is a question for the state, not even our state as a big one. and this is a question for officials, including the most basic level. but if what we can do. we can ourselves what again , uh, began, our conversation itself is strengthened in

our unified society in our culture in our desire to know, love and develop our language our culture our art, and not being ashamed that we are russian, on the contrary, proud that i am russian, uh, i will say, but i usually do not use this vocabulary . but it's cool to be russian. this is cool. this is pride. that is, if we strengthen ourselves in ourselves , then and this will also be one way so that we have nothing, so that our fatherland is preserved as it is. many thanks to vladyka a ​​for coming to our studio. thank you for this interview please.

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