[000:00:00;00] hello in the studio, ekaterina gracheva, this is our weekly interview on the russia 24 channel, they are called the church and we. and today my guest is the deputy chairman of the russian orthodox church department for relations between the church, society and the media vakhtang boils for vakhtang vladimirovich hello well, as a secular person, as a secular speaker, but let's start with secular political news, but not of a religious nature. and how do you feel about the fact that now in official polish documents in maps in all hmm cartographies of poland now, kaliningrad e, will be called the city, krovitsy and the region, respectively,

the royal made this decision. and you know, i think that, unfortunately, this measure should not be considered at all as a desire to restore some kind of historical justice, or i don’t know how to express my attitude to certain historical events. this, in my opinion, is a completely emotional measure, which is aimed only at somehow harming russia, well, there are no other motives for making this decision. well i think the general idea is, uh, to use history. in as a weapon as a tool to incite discord. it never led to anything good. strictly speaking, as we know in his time, the most holy patriarch. took a lot of effort in order to

try to restore friendly. well, or at least neutral relations with poland. and unfortunately, all these efforts did not run into misunderstanding, on the part of many polish, for example, catholics or orthodox, there is an orthodox church there, small but noticeable they were by and large . i mean these efforts uh, ruined aggressive anti-russian propaganda, which, in my opinion, defines the political mainstream in poland in fact. we do not know what the poles think about these renamings or some other actions that they obviously have. well, in my opinion. eh, aggressive and not friendly with respect to russia, and the coloring of all this, in my opinion , is staged. those forces that are not really concerned at all with doing

something good for the polish people, this is what we must do. in my opinion it is very sober to understand. you said what it would be like for russia negative effect to be harmful. how will this renaming work to bring harm to russia. i said that the motive with which this is done he has no other. in my opinion interpretations other than intention somehow. that's to do something unpleasant for our country. here i believe that this motive written is absolutely useless naive. in my opinion. it is dictated by some unstable emotional state of those people , those people who initiate everything, and we should relate to this. in my opinion. well here's how some kind of stupidity, like some kind of tantrum, which is in my opinion. do not say so has nothing to do. not to sober politics, to sober political thinking

, or even to some kind of understanding of the prospects for interaction with russia, which has been and remains a neighbor nowhere else. e will not move from its historical positions. now about our neighbors, other neighbors, and georgia and after russia's decision to restore direct flights , international passions flare up around. how to behave, georgia what should be the answer tbilisi the west urges not to let russian planes in, and this is what they answered. literally on friday, the prime minister of georgia , iraq and gribashvili, he called on other countries. cancel the visa regime for residents of the republic, establish a direct air connection quote, if they do not like the corresponding decision of the russian federation to establish a visa-free regime for our citizens with america, for example, with other countries with china and so on. uh, keep an eye on this situation. how would you rate russia's first decision uh opening

aviasmessages and uh, what do you think the steps will be? tbilisi, can they go on about the west? i think that, of course, the decision of the russian authorities is quite reasonable and it symbolizes. actually openness. e, readiness to support tourist flows to develop cultural ties. er, inter-orthodox ties, it will be reminded that in georgia there is a large orthodox church, the majority church, er of the georgian population, and therefore the situation when there is direct communication between the two countries is absolutely normal and on my opinion. the only one possible. well, the fact that this decision caused hysteria from the western side. the media, which wore, as always , such a very synchronous coordinated

nature, there is no alternative point of view or it is marminalized, no one said. it's good that between some strange ones there will be a more unhindered order of communication and interactions. nobody says it. everyone starts putting pressure. e, wishing that, uh, everyone would shout in unison. uh, hmm, some anti-russian slogans chants. that's demonstrated their hatred for our people and our state. e. well, that's one more time. in my opinion, it raises questions of national sovereignty, because we know perfectly well that hmm is to proceed from the national interests of almost all, then i would say all states that are connected by a common historical past. i mean the post-soviet states in the national interests of course to support. good mutually beneficial and friendly relations with the russian federation and in the interests

of states that are overseas or maybe not so far, but far enough from uh the borders with russia uh, it is precisely the hatred that is the division is an attempt to drive a wedge between uh, the russians and the people of historical russia, the people of the former soviet union this is completely unhidden, unfortunately, part of their national policy, therefore, i i think that the more the states of the soviet space can defend their sovereignty , their right to build good relations with russia, the better it will be for their peoples. and that will be a blessing. i think for us too, but we we exist in an imperfect world. we should not be afraid of this. there is no need to be under any illusions. we will always have uh, those. a state that for some reason want to uh hmm mean to interfere with our

friendship with our neighbors. they have always been always will be for the past centuries before. eh, but i think that we should keep this in mind and consistently defend our national interests. you put cultural bonds in the area of ​​traditional values. we know that, uh, georgian political leaders are many of them. at least they are not ashamed to say that they are in favor of the traditional family, which in itself is a scandal for the modern european political mainstream, but these are the ties between the georgian and russian peoples. they. well, they have not lost their force for all these years, when there was not something like the direct weight of the message. well, in general, we have had a very difficult relationship in recent years. and i am deeply convinced that these relations , let's say, experience some problems or even

conflicts, and this is the fault of external players. i i repeat once again that in my opinion, russia and its neighbors and its a-a interlocutors do not have any fundamental contradictions in the space of the former soviet union. no, there are no non-removable problems that would prevent us from living in peace and friendship. and for this we have all the necessary conditions. well, except that, as i repeat again. uh, this friendship will be put in the wheels of those states that want to share power. this is what we must understand soberly. so you say that many people do not hide georgia. in the georgian political establishment of their traditional views, and as i understand it from what you said on april 14 of this year, and the ukrainian ministry of education, science took another

development vector together with an american non-governmental foundation. the arkas fundation is such a memorandum they signed, and the introduction of gender-sensitive teaching methods into the educational process in an institution of preschool higher education and the text states that the goal of this project is to create a learning space without gender stereotypes and discrimination 500 institutions of pre-school education 500 secondary schools in ukraine are going to be involved in this project. well, the goal is understandable, so that, well, about the same classes that already exist actively there in europe in the united states of america have infiltrated ukraine, about what a child can achieve. a woman of age can decide what gender she considers herself to be. how would you comment on this news? well, is it more such a populist story, or is it the beginning of a long long journey, which no longer has a reverse

care. you know very recently. i think a few months ago, his holiness patriarch kirill said that those forces that are now, uh, were initiated and staged. uh, confrontation between russia and ukraine they will do what they do and always in such cases they will use uh this difficult situation in order to impose anti-christian values ​​on the ukrainian people and he also said that surely if hmm this plan, but it is destined to come true, well, ukraine will implement all this gender history in full. that is the education of children. completely false values ​​associated with the destruction of m-m traditional family is gay parades. this is me, i think soon the time

of registration of gay marriages and adoption of children. and let's say the most, so the political gender avant-garde is, by and large, more numerous than children. that is, you probably know that all this gender ideology is implemented in practice in the following way for children, in some countries this is already real from the sad six, seven or eight years. younger students are encouraged to change gender. well they first they impose such an option, and then, well, as it were , children who tend to succumb to such. uh, let's say attempts at induction. they say, what if i'm of the wrong sex, and then the doctors of special programs arrive, which are usually generously funded, and the children begin to give hormones. even many western doctors who still have leftovers. how is the traditional understanding of the family? caring for children they say that what you do you cripple children after all, if a child at 7-8 years old begins to take. uh, the so-called gender correction, that is

, hormone preparations that suppress e, sexual development, then he reaches the age of majority or reaches the fertile age. child boy girl. it doesn't matter, they cease to be capable of reproduction. that is, by and large, the sterilization of children who are at an unconscious age. but this is a natural result of the plan of the program that they just talked about, that is, it is the crippled lives of thousands of children, but ukraine for all that, we saw this in the strength of the protest movement, when there were attacks on the canonical church and on its main symbol in kiev, the pechersk lavra, and there are a lot of people with traditional views. living the traditional understanding of the family they are so easy. it is in your mind to swallow that these classes will be taught to their children. you know, it's hard for me to say,

because this is the level of pressure on people, for example, belonging to the majority church , the ukrainian orthodox church, which continues to be a church. e most of the ukrainians. it's completely unprecedented. we see, by and large, repressions against uh, people against believers, and we hmm see the murder of kidnapping uh, we see the dispersal of all kinds of prayerful standing attacks on the primate of the ukrainian orthodox church. metropolitan anufrie. all this we see on the screen is all recorded. this does not cause any condemnation of the side of human rights activists, because now they began to scold. probably a word rather than testifying to the need to protect human rights. that is why we do not know what repressive measures. what methods of intimidation will be used

against those people in ukraine who want to live in traditional families, who want to protect their children from forced sterilization, but who want to. as a matter of fact, er, so that their life continues, as it has continued for a century or millennia of human history. we do not know, we do not yet know, fortunately, an alternative history, except that is , a history that relies on the union of a man and a woman as the basis for the development of human society. right now, before our eyes, they are unfolding. new story. the anti-human is created by the new man with the help of hormone technology of surgical operations that have some sort of floating floor, yes. which may mean today to make the transition one way to become a man, the next day try to become a woman back. there are already such cases. but this is perfect. in my opinion.

destroys the future of a person, his happiness - this e destroys the integrity of the human personality, by and large, turns e personality into a field for inhuman experiments. or even an object for inhuman experiments. so to say, better today, 15,000 people have signed an open letter in support of yevgenia berkovich svetlana petrichuk. judging them in the case of justifying terrorism for the play is the finist -yasny sokol, and the recruitment of women from russia who leave the militant in syria ah, this is the first case in russia, a precedent when judging for the content of a work of art. are you following this case and, uh, how would you comment on that, you know? uh, of course, i am of the opinion that to contribute final judgments can only be made after familiarizing yourself with all the materials of the body, but i

would like, uh, to dwell on one very important idea, which in my opinion matters. freedom of creativity is not unlimited. even if the operation on the documents are international human rights documents. you will read everywhere that the freedom of creativity can be limited and this is completely normal and natural, and society cannot exist in conditions when secret freedom freedom of speech freedom of religion. freedom of creativity. any freedom is none of this is limited. i do very one simply. conclusion and which is in fact, uh , perfectly in line with the european legal tradition, uh, by writing a work of art and public display. because if you wrote a work hidden in the table, then this is not , let's say, creative self-expression, because

no one knows the right that creativity is here, but a public demonstration of your creative work can constitute a criminal offense this is a perfect axiom. yes exercising one's creative freedom, one can commit a crime , just like exercising any other human freedom, but because going beyond the limits of the reasonable legal, and the ethical, in certain cases constitutes a crime, and therefore, creative figures in the same way as religious ones. i don't know statesmen any other people who come into communication with others. uh, with company with other people. they can commit the crime hmm as part of their activities. it's completely normal no exception. it can’t be here. that’s why, frankly speaking, i have

big questions about the level of legal nihilism among those media outlets of individual journalists who consider themselves experts, who deny , uh, it’s not a case against these two creative figures. in general, the very possibility that a work of art of her public demonstration of this work can constitute a crime is a completely fact that relies on the centuries-old european legal tradition and at the end of our conversation. i want to turn to the topic of space as it turned out income. ah, bloggers on the russian internet and so thanks to the efforts of the tax authorities, it turned out that taxes were underpaid to the treasury in the amount of 940 million rubles. and so on. for example, there is a blogger elena blinovskaya, the author of the so-called marathon of desires there, oksana samoilova, an insta-female. well, a whole list, that means with the call signs of the so

-called infogypsies, they are also called, but people. uh, in russia they quite deliberately bring money to those bloggers for these training courses . there inside the development of personality and so further. why, in your opinion, uh, our citizens are so suggestible and , as it were, arising from this question very often, people who are believers in the church are also called adherents of the sect, that they are also not able to make a decision on their own; they rely on the opinion of the priests there. they are in this sense. also dependent, and hmm you see the connection. this is between those who seek support on the internet from such mentors and those who go to church for spiritual guidance. there is something in common here. but you know the general only 10 in my opinion is that uh

that people are looking for some help. them. inherent desire to seek some help and support. and if those who go to church, they receive, er, genuine help, those who go to infogypsies, then they receive a surrogate, a surrogate for communication, a surrogate for psychological support. and in my opinion. they get really pathologically dependent on these people who now, as you said, er. uh, underpaid some taxes, in my opinion. this situation is comparable to the situation when in the nineties , a totalitarian sect spread. you know, they were very popular. they aroused interest. they had thousands of fans who left their families without money. uh, hmm, they were left

without a job without anything and became slaves in a number of ways. it is these totalitarian leaders that we all know about them. here, in my opinion. this is an attempt to exploit people's trust. it is also implemented in activities. here are certain bloggers, let's say, or even said such totalitarian leaders of the new spill, who use e, emerging technological capabilities to do the same thing that all sorts of uh spiritual leaders. i don't know 100 years ago 50 years ago quite recently the nineties . by and large, it is a surrogate for religiosity and , in my opinion, the most characteristic here is that we all think that we live in a world where everyone is free, that everything is decided by themselves, no one needs any confessor. eh, nobody needs it.

uh, so spiritual advice, and people who say so actually fall into some kind of completely hmm degrading in depending on these info, gypsies, and these info gypsies become. i don't know any slave owners of the new spill, who by and large should all give money with pleasure. think i do. it is free in fact, being in the thrall of addictions, as i don’t know how to say addictions comparable to addiction to alcohol, narcotic substances, or some other pathological overheating. you know, here's igromania what was it in its time? tiglo of some impossible size, until it was hard limited. so i think that the time has come to approach the activities of some. i'm not talking about everyone. well, those who really create a semblance of quasi -religious cults with a pathological or dependence on the personality of this leader,

that it's time to look at them. how to ferment religious sects? thank you very much vladimirovich for commenting on this news. thank you it was very nice. cunning among the killers. where can he hide? only

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