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890. hello in the studio ekaterina gracheva this is our weekly interview on russia 24 channel called they are the church and we media vakhtang kipshidze, vakhtang vladimirovich hello well, as a secular person, as a secular speaker, let's start with secular political news, but not of a religious nature. and how do you feel about the fact that now in official polish documents in maps in all hmm cartographies of poland now, kaliningrad, e, will be called the city, krovits and region, respectively , this decision was made in warsaw in roulette. you know, i think that, unfortunately, this measure should not be regarded at all as a desire

to restore some kind of historical justice, or i do not know the expression of my attitude to certain historical events. this, in my opinion, is a completely emotional measure, which is aimed only at somehow harming russia, well, there are no other motives for making this decision. well i think the general idea is, uh, to use history. as a weapon as a tool to incite discord. it never led to anything good. strictly speaking, as we know in his time, the most holy patriarch. made a lot of efforts to try to restore friendly. well, or at least neutral

relations with poland. and unfortunately, all these efforts did not run into misunderstanding, on the part of many polish, for example, catholics or orthodox, there is an orthodox church there, small but noticeable they were by and large . i mean these efforts. uh, destroyed by aggressive anti-russian propaganda, which, in my opinion, defines the political mainstream in poland in fact. we do not know what the poles think about these renaming or some other actions, which they obviously have. well, in my opinion. eh, aggressive and not friendly towards russia, and the coloring of all this, in my opinion , is staged. and those forces that are actually not at all concerned about doing something good to the polish people. this is what we must. in my opinion. very sober understanding. you said that this would have

a negative effect on russia and bring harm. how will this renaming work to bring harm to russia. i said that the motive with which this is done he has no others. in my opinion, interpretations, other than the intention to somehow do something unpleasant to our country. so i think that this motive is absolutely useless naive. in my opinion. it is dictated by some unstable emotional state of those people of those people who do not initiate everything, and we must relate to this. in my opinion. well, like some kind of stupidity, like some kind of hysteria, which in my opinion, let's not say, has nothing to do with it. they are to sober politics to sober political thinking or even to some kind of understanding prospects for interaction with russia, which has been and remains a neighbor, nowhere else. e

will not move from its historical positions. now about our neighbors, other neighbors, and georgia and after russia's decision to restore direct flights , international passions flare up around. about how georgia should behave what should tbilisi's response be ? literally on friday, for example, the minister of georgia , iraq and gribashvili, he called on other countries. cancel the visa regime for residents of the republic, establish a direct air connection quote, if they do not like the corresponding decision of the russian federation to establish a visa-free regime for our citizens with america, for example, with other countries with china and so on. uh, keep an eye on this situation. how would you rate, firstly, russia's decision to uh open air links and uh, what do you think the steps will be? tbilisi, can they go on about

the west? i think that, of course, the decision of the russian authorities is quite reasonable and it symbolizes. actually openness. e, readiness to support tourist flows to develop cultural ties. uh, between the orthodox, in connection, they will remind you that in georgia there is a large orthodox church of the majority, uh , the georgian population, and therefore the situation when there is direct communication between the two countries is absolutely normal in my opinion. the only possible one, but the fact that this decision caused hysteria on the part of the westerners. the media that wore, as always , such a very synchronous coordinated character, there is no alternative point of view or anamnesis no one said. it's good

that between some countries there will be a more unhindered order of communication and interaction, no one says this. everyone starts putting pressure. uh, wishing that , uh, everything means shouting in unison, uh, some anti-russian slogans, chants, so they showed their hatred for our people, our state. well, this one more time. in my opinion, it raises questions of national sovereignty, because we know very well that if we proceed from the national interests of almost everyone, who i would say everyone states that share a common historical past. i mean the post-soviet states. you are in their national interest of course to support the good. mutually beneficial and friendly relations with the russian federation and in the interests of states that are overseas or maybe not so far, but

far enough from e borders with russia, namely , hatred is precisely the separation of an attempt to drive a wedge between e, russians and folk historical russia folk of the former soviet union this is completely unhidden, unfortunately, part of them national policy, therefore, i think that the more the states of the soviet space can defend their sovereignty , their right to build good relations with russia, the better it will be for their peoples. and that will be a blessing. i think and for us too, but we exist in an imperfect world. we should not be afraid of this. there is no need to be under any illusions. we will always have these states. for some reason, they want, therefore, to hinder our friendship with our neighbors. they have always been always will be

for the past centuries before. uh, but i think that we should keep this in mind and consistently defend our emotional interests. you put cultural bonds in the area of ​​traditional values. we know that, uh, georgian political leaders are many of them. at least they are not ashamed to say that they are in favor of a traditional family, which in itself is a scandal for the modern european political mainstream. but these are the ties between the georgian and russian peoples. they. well, have not lost their power for all these years, when not there was not that direct message weight. well , in general, we have had a very difficult relationship in recent years. and i am deeply convinced that if these relations a experience some problems or even conflicts, and this is the fault of external players. i repeat once again that, in my opinion, russia, with its

neighbors and with its interlocutors , does not have any fundamental contradictions in the space of the former soviet union. no, there are no non- removable problems that would prevent us from living in peace and friendship. and for this we have all the necessary conditions. well, except that as i repeat again. uh, this friendship will be put in the wheels of those states that want to share power. we must understand this completely soberly. so you say that many people do not hide georgia. the georgian political establishment has its traditional views, as i understand it from what you said on april 14 of this year, and the ukrainian ministry of education took a different development vector together with the american non-governmental fund arkas fundation

, they signed a memorandum, and gender-sensitive teaching methods in the educational process in the institution of preschool higher education and the text states that the goal of this project is to create a learning space without gender stereotypes and discrimination 500 institutions of preschool education 500 secondary schools in ukraine are going to be involved in this project. well, the goal is understandable, so that, well , about the same classes that already exist actively there in europe in the united states of america, about what the child can achieve, will be introduced to ukraine. marriage of age may decide what gender he lists himself. how would you comment on this news? well, this is more of a capulist story, or is it the beginning of a long long journey, which no longer has a reverse departure. you know very recently. i think a few months ago, his holiness patriarch

kirill said that those forces that are now, uh, were initiated and staged. uh, confrontation between russia and ukraine they will do what they do, and always in such cases they will use uh this a difficult situation in order to impose anti-christian values ​​on the ukrainian people, and he also said that undoubtedly, if hmm this plan is destined to come true, then all this gender history will be fully implemented in ukraine. that is the education of children. completely false values ​​associated with the destruction of the traditional family. these are gay parades. this is, i think, soon the time, the registration of gay practitioners, the adoption of children. and let's say the most, so the political gender

avant-garde is, by and large, more quantitative children. that is, you probably know that all this gender ideology is implemented in practice in the following way for children, in some countries it is already a really sad six, seven or eight years. younger students are encouraged to change gender. well, they first impose such an option, and then, well, as it were , children who tend to succumb to such. uh, let's say attempts at induction. they say, what if i'm of the wrong sex, and then the doctors of special programs arrive in time, which are usually generously funded and the children begin to give hormones. even many western doctors who now have leftovers. how is the traditional understanding of the family? caring for children they say that what you do you cripple children after all, if a child at 7-8 years old begins to take. e, the so-called gender correction, that is , hormone preparations that suppress e, sexual development, then he comes of age

or reaches fertile age. child boy girl. it doesn't matter, they cease to be capable of reproduction. that is, by and large, this is the sterilization of children who are in the unconscious age. but this is a natural result of the plan of the program that they just talked about, that is, it is the sparkling life of thousands of children, but ukraine for all that, we saw this by the strength of the protest movement, when there were attacks on the canonical church and on the main symbol in kiev, the pechersk lavra, and there are a lot of people with traditional views. living the traditional understanding of the family they are so easy. it is in your mind to swallow that these classes will be taught to their children. you know it's hard for me to say because this is the level of pressure on people,

for example, belonging to the majority church , the ukrainian orthodox church, which continues to be the church. e most of the ukrainians. it's completely unprecedented. we see, by and large, repressions against uh, people against believers, and we hmm see the murder of kidnapping uh, we see the dispersal of all kinds of prayerful standing attacks on the primate of the ukrainian orthodox church. metropolitan anufrie. all this we see on the screen is all recorded. it doesn't cause any. uh, judgmental side human rights activists, too, now began to scold. probably a word rather than testifying to the need to protect human rights. that is why we do not know what repressive measures. what methods of intimidation will be used against those people in ukraine who want to live in traditional families, who want to protect their children from

forcible sterilization, and who want, in fact, uh, that their life continue, as it has continued for a century or millennia of human history. we don't know yet by the way, we do not know, fortunately, an alternative history, except that there is a history that relies on hmm the union of a man and a woman as the basis for the development of human society. right now, before our eyes, it is unfolding. new story. the anti-human is created by the new man with the help of hormone technology of surgical operations that have some sort of floating floor, yes. which may mean today to make the transition one way to become a man, the next day try to become a woman back. such too there are already cases. but this is perfect. in my opinion. destroys the future of a person, his happiness - this e destroys the integrity

of the human personality, by and large , turns e personality into a field for inhuman experiments. or even an object for inhuman experiments. so to say, better today, 15,000 people have signed an open letter in support of yevgenia berkovich svetlana petrichuk. he judges them in the case of justifying terrorism for the play by the finist -clear falcon, and the recruitment of e women from russia who leave the militant in syria ah, this the first case in russia is a precedent when judging for the content of a work of art. are you following this case and, uh, how would you comment on that, you know? uh, of course, i am of the opinion that one can make final judgments only after familiarizing himself with all the materials of the body, but i would like, uh, to dwell on one very important idea, which in my opinion

matters. freedom of creativity is not unlimited. even if the operation on the documents are international human rights documents. you will read everywhere that freedom creativity can be limited and this is completely normal and natural and society cannot exist in an environment where secret freedom freedom of speech freedom of religion. freedom of creativity. any freedom is unrestricted from this. i do very one simply. conclusion and which is in fact, uh , perfectly in line with the european legal tradition, uh, by writing a work of art and public display. 'cause if you wrote a piece hid in the table, then it's not say so creative expression, because no one knows the right that creativity is. but the public demonstration of your creative

work can constitute a criminal offense is a perfect axiom. yes, exercising one's creative freedom, one can commit a crime, just like exercising any other human freedom, but because going beyond the limits of the reasonable, legal, and ethical is in certain cases a crime, and therefore creative figures are exactly the same as religious ones. i don't know statesmen any other people who enter into communication with others. uh, with company with other people. they can commit the crime hmm as part of their activities. this is perfectly normal , no exceptions. it can't be here. that's why, frankly speaking, i have big questions about the level of legal nihilism among those media outlets of individual journalists who consider

themselves experts, who deny, uh, it's not a case against these two creative activities. in general, the very possibility that a work of art the public display of this work may amount to crime is a completely fact, which is based on the centuries-old european legal tradition and at the end of our conversation. hmm want uh, turn to the topic of space as it turned out income. ah , bloggers on the russian internet and, thanks to the efforts of the tax authorities, it turned out that taxes were underpaid to the treasury in the amount of 940 million rubles. and so on. for example, there is a blogger elena blinovskaya, the author of the so-called marathon of desires there, oksana samoilova , an insta-female. well, a whole list, then with callsigns of the so-called infogypsies still call them, but people. uh, in russia they quite

deliberately bring money to those bloggers for these training courses. there inside the development of personality and so on. why do you think, uh, our citizens are so suggestible and , as it were, arising from this question very often , people who are believers in the church are also called adherents of the sect, that they are also not able to make a decision on their own, they rely on the opinion, there are priests confessors. they are in this sense. also addicted, and hmm you see the connection. this is between those who seek support on the internet from such mentors and those who go to church for spiritual guidance. there is something in common here. well you know the total is only 10 in my opinion is that uh that people are looking for some kind of help. them. inherent desire to seek

some help and support. and if those who go to church, they receive, er, genuine help, then those who go to the gypsies for information, they receive a surrogate, a surrogate for communication, a surrogate for psychological support. and in my opinion. they get really pathologically dependent on these people who now, as you said, er. uh, underpaid some taxes, in my opinion. this situation is comparable to the situation when the totalitarian sect spread in the nineties. you know, they were very popular. they aroused interest. they had thousands of fans who left their families without money. uh, hmm, they were left without work without everything and became slaves for what reason. here are these, uh, totalitarian

their leaders are all known to us. here, in my opinion. this is an attempt to exploit people's trust. it is also implemented in activities. here are certain bloggers, let's say, or even said such totalitarian leaders of the new spill, who use, uh, the emerging technological opportunities in order to do the same thing that all sorts of, uh, spiritual leaders. i don't know 100 years ago 50 years ago quite recently the nineties . by and large, it is a surrogate for religiosity and, in my opinion, the characteristic thing here is that right now, here we all think that we live in a world when everyone is free, that everything is decided by themselves , no one needs any confessor. eh, nobody needs it. uh, it means spiritual advice, and people who say so actually fall into some kind of completely hmm degrading

, depending on these info, gypsies, and these info gypsies become. i don't know any slave owners of the new spill, who by and large should all give money with pleasure. think i do. it's free in fact, being in the captivity of addictions, as i don't know. dependence is comparable to, e, addiction to alcohol , narcotic substances, and some other pathological overheating. you know, here's igromania what was it in its time? reached some impossible size until it was severely limited. so i think that the time has come to approach the activities of some. i'm not talking about everyone. well, those who really create a semblance of quasi-religious cults with a pathological or dependence on the personality of this leader, that it's time to look at them how to ferment religious sects?

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