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alpha-bank is the best mobile bank. hello. kirill vyshinsky is with you, and this program is a typical novorossiya, our name says it all, we are talking about the territory that has returned to its historical roots with the help of an attentive look to history. we will try to reveal the originality of the present day, find both typical features and recognizable signs of the past. and that's what we'll talk about today. children of novorossia, who and why is speculating on their destinies? how to help those who grew up in the war conversation with an expert of the program of the republic during the civil war traditions of statehood in novorossiya?

once, in a conversation with me, a well-known poetess from donetsk and a mother of two children, anna revyakina, said a phrase about the children of donbass , which, due to its paradox , will forever remain in my memory. during the war spoke. she grew up a very musical generation, these children have excellent hearing for the sound of shelling. they easily distinguish between calibers. shooting directions and orients how dangerous it is childhood in the war. this is the reality of novorossia today, the terrible statistics of child deaths and previously not in the donbass, at first fighting, actions in the dpr killed 128 children, 544 children were previously in the lpr, 39 children. killed 160 injured we are talking about officially confirmed deaths in reality, the total number of victims

may be higher a year ago in 2022 chapter donetsk people's republic denis pushin signed a decree on the establishment of a day of remembrance for the children who died. in the donbas during the war, it is celebrated on july 27. in kiev, they were very concerned about the fate of the children of novorossia, only in 2023, not so long ago, in a document distributed by the united nations , facts were collected by the ukrainian authorities about nineteen and a half thousand ukrainian children allegedly forcibly removed from the territory of novorossia. these data became the reason for the issuance of warrants by the international criminal court for arrest of human rights commissioner maria lvov belova and president of the russian federation vladimir putin calmly

perceive such actions, especially knowing the statistics of child deaths in donbass , it is impossible for children from novorossia a year ago, they really were taken out in mid-february even before the start of a special military operation. when the number of attacks from the ukrainian side increased sharply, they were evacuated together with their parents from the dpr and lpr to the russian federation , among them were about 2,000 pupils of republican, grandfathers, who were placed in children's institutions in other regions of russia under guardianship in foster families. the russians were arranged 380 children from the dnr and lnr. in october last year, already the authorities of the kherson and zaporozhye regions organized the removal of children from the frontline zone to the crimea and the krasnodar territory, the evacuation was announced due to increased shelling by the armed forces of ukraine , all children went with the consent of the parents and with

their written permission. lvova belovaya , in total , more than two and a half thousand were evacuated from the danger zone of two regions children. now they have returned home; the last one arrived back in april of this year about why kiev so easily speculates on the fate of children in novorossia and what awaits them this summer in the story of anna efimova . , the long-awaited goal of sasha misha managed to miss home. for almost a year they were away from their mother , it was terribly very glad when they first moved here with their mother. everything is quieter here. yes, it’s very quiet, and i was glad, because there is a garden and dogs, when

a family began to arrive regularly in the kuibyshev district of donetsk. first, i changed several apartments, then they moved away from the city here to a dacha that was not at all suitable for wintering. and in april last year , the children's mother decided to evacuate them to safe regions of russia. here they went to school, fully fed, there were six meals a day there. and then in the summer they were still taken to the sea for a month in the crimea , they were dressed and put on shoes, because they left in the winter, naturally they didn’t take summer things with them every. we kept in touch by phone, visited sports sections football volleyball boxing and, of course, managed to find new friends. front line. moved a little in february. the guys asked for a friend in the still troubled donetsk region. well, of course, i explain to them that they would be better off there. still, there are more possibilities. and don't listen to it all. well, they like

home more, but still, i don’t know how calmer it is at home, if you are in villages relatively remote from donetsk, indeed. there is another important nuance in the case, and the so-called kidnappings of children. this is citizenship. no one changes it, it is supplemented by the second already existing ones, there were cases when children were left without parents, such an indicative nine children, a foster family. guardians, leaving their wards, i do not know, it is difficult for me to give an assessment now, because there is a human assessment. there is an assessment that we can legally give. well, they themselves evacuated to europe without children, contacted their guardians , gave the opportunity for the children to express their readiness and desire to unite with their guardians. heavy was the mechanism very hard, because after all, this is europe, because this is still

europe, the address of the permanent mission of russia to the un has now received a lot of appeals from ukrainian refugees, whose children are being taken away in this very europe under far-fetched pretexts. the case of oksana buratevich is only one of the few in democratic germany who decided that she was not coping with parental responsibilities, as she allegedly incorrectly treated her son for abdominal pain during rare meetings of communication without lawyers and carriers in english, which no one really knows and, of course, endless courts. this is discrimination absolutely in our nationality, our our refugees, our problems. these people don't translate the solution here for us. this is a criminal wrong, punishable by the laws of the whole world, the actions of foreign affairs, not the embassies of ukraine in certain states do not pay attention to this. they're just how low it looks from the outside when you're here blaming the other side. from the fact that

they saved the children from about from the shelling, that is, the last life, in fact. here but at the same time, you don’t want to quarrel with your partners and just turn a blind eye to these cries for help, the coming summer is already the second in the midst of hostilities and the ninth for the children of donbass, many of whom, in principle, during this time did not have a chance to find out what the world is their legitimate holidays, they will go to the sea in camps, and rest and sanatoriums, to try to forget about the war for a while, because in the summer it's true, a small life. she ischmolova valery savelyev anastasia popova is a typical new russia. how to help those who have grown in the war, we will talk with our permanent expert to historians and political scientist rostislav. ishchenko rostislav good afternoon.

good afternoon, rostislav what happened to the children of novorossia, who actually spent 9 years in war conditions and what happened to those children who lived in the regions under ukraine well, firstly, obviously different things happened to them. not only to start depending on where they lived, well , depending on their age, but simply, because a person, uh, remembers what happened with him, we start from a certain point in life. if we are talking about children who survived the war, and on different sides or not, fronts, to whom? well, at least it was or is now somewhere from five years. and more because those to whom less means, they simply will not remember it or will remember such fragmentary ones , they will not have emotional assessments. they will either listen to their adults, or they will perceive it there from textbooks. yes, there, or according to some memories with feature films or documentaries

those who uh, who are older? yes, the older they are, the more different they will be, because the children's mind is very plastic, very receptive and unconditional. those who uh growth at this time in the dpr and who knew? that they are being shelled and killed by ukraine will never be forgotten in their lives. well, those who grew up, uh, in the conditions of becoming ukrainian occupation and to whom at school it means in the investigative media, many at home said that russia attacked the country and they are defending themselves. so, they are also unlikely to forget. uh, what they were taught. they can then reconsider their responsibilities after some time now for many uh children. today, moreover, as children with immunity from five, up to twenty years, it means that what is happening now, especially for those who grew up under the conditions of ukrainian occupation, will be

a cruel tragedy. for them. it will be scrap. eh, civilizational foundations, what they grew up on, what they were brought up in, but we know that the children of melitopol in donetsk can and should fight against this, but from september this year they will. the same programs, but recently, uh, in history lessons, they were told completely different, practically diametrically opposed things, what could be done with this. well, i think that melitopolit in donetsk is not so bad when 10 dnepropetrovsk begins to study. eh, according to russian textbooks. there , society itself will be much more difficult for them. eh, here's this new russia. yes, in the donbass of southeastern ukraine, it was set up much more pro-russian, indeed more about the donetsk anti-uin, there were, of course, a lot of those who were for ukraine, yes, but still just as a public position was not

ukrainian, let's say, therefore, these children are still alternatives. yes, what they were taught in school. they have seen many of them. oh, they were also waiting for release. together with our families , e we though, yes, there will be quite a large number of people that will have to. well, how to get through the scrapping e of their ideas about what is good and what is bad, taking advantage of the fact that after all, public opinion. basically the public opinion of these regions. on our side it's still impossible to say about all regions of ukraine yes, that means, uh, we need to use this situation to work out. e such a rehabilitation program, because the difficulties will be great, these are children who are maximalistic. many of them have, by the way , absorbed the program of ukrainian nationalism. so they can be re-educated. that will have to be done so that the children on

rossel forget the horrors of war. and is it possible to achieve this at all, in principle, and no one will ever forget the war, even smaller troubles people do not forget the memory. no, it won't. the main thing is that she traumatic. that is, over time, it should become for them a story from childhood and a pleasantly unpleasantly heroic story, the language of childhood. that's pretty much what it means, uh. that's because, well, how to try to erase such a piece of life from memory, there are 8 years old, so what's more to do with it? yeah, it's a very hard and complicated piece of life. yes, when they were forced to hide in the basements, when there was not enough food, water, there, it means anything, when the threat of death constantly hung over a person. moreover, it is clear, there in 5-6 years. we even see

interviews that are taken from the children of donbass that they perfectly understand the environment in general in the war. children grow up faster. and that's why e will not certainly remember all this. uh, just the therapy should not consist in the fact that they would forget it, but in the fact that they, well, as they realized, there are other situations, not only for themselves. well, for the country as a whole. why not only for ukraine and for russia thank you very much for the interesting story? there was a period in the history of novorossia when various state formation was it during the civil war at the beginning of the last century, perhaps the most famous republic of that time was the donetsk krivoy rog at the beginning of 1918 . it was proclaimed as an autonomy

within the rsfsr. however, a month later it was annexed to the ukrainian soviet republic. then there was the german occupation. then donesko. the krivoy rog republic was finally abolished in february 1919. well, the first republic and soviets in novorossia became the odessa soviet , its territory created in january 1918 covered the then kherson province of the russian empire, the republic existed until march 1918, when german troops entered odessa and had its own republic and the legendary anarchist had a republic of soviets with a center, walking, fields, at that time in the village of the melitopol district of the tauride bay. in the spring of 1918 it was formed in

novorossiya. the soviet socialist republic of taurida, with its center in simferopol , it included the lands of the taurida province , the crimean peninsula, and the areas adjacent to the black and azov seas, the republic of taurida, also did not last long for a little more than a month, but left a bright light on the stormy experience of state building during the years of the civil war in the plot of olga mokhova on the eve of the february revolution of 1917 , the tauride governorate and this crimea and three more mainland counties was a rather large territorial administrative unit of the russian empire and was famous for , it is not only with its resorts and winemaking, but also with bread production, which was mainly exported at that time about 2 million people lived here motley in every sense, both ideologically and nationally, russian prevailed, but

many ukrainians, crimean tatars , jews, germans and representatives of other