[000:00:00;00] for a few seconds, we continue our conversation with konstantin gavrilov, the head of the delegation of the russian federation in vienna on issues of military security and arms control konstantin yuryevich well , the president spoke well about the places that we will give today, and i think that this process is only at the very beginning and nevertheless. let's play the situation. can our former partners make some reasonable offer to us so that we can stop withdrawing from everyone. i think at this stage, no, that's all. it seems to me, nothing more than an excuse, and to accuse us that we are destroying , statements were already heard on the forum last wednesday that you, russian from everywhere, uh , broke the entire system

of security architecture, that is, blacks are passed off as white white blacks you are right. and we are already saying this openly, so to speak, conditionally in diplomatic language. address all to the psychiatrist. those present here. a. that's because it will be used. you understand how pressure is, the entourage is like this against the background of the fact that you are like that. and why? but because they have nothing to cover the failures of ukraine and them on the battlefield, that is, they cannot justify themselves for the atrocities of the ukrainian army, but in relation to our prisoners for the civilian population for shelling and so on. they say, and here you are, passing off blacks as whites. under these conditions. we show them on footage. we show them films on screens at meetings. that's what you're doing this is called in relation to the proverb about the eyes and dew, remember? yes, there is one, but

konstantinovich here. eh, what are you doing? and, it seems that some kind of glimmer of consciousness appeared in the belgian authorities this week. they say, oh, we will recognize some kind of weapon there suddenly attacked the belgorod region and immediately say. yes, we will continue to supply and that's it. and what it was, in general, this is some kind of attempt, an attempt by some decent people who remain. still save their country others. they don’t even try to do this, although they deliver and at each meeting we provide a form with numbers , specific data from the video, and what materials are violated by whom? but you know, while this result does not give. we have already spoken to you more than once. it is very unpleasant for them. they they cannot justify themselves, especially when on the internet and so on. it's all yours. uh, your television broadcast is spreading all over the world

, and they are in an extremely difficult situation and will use all kinds of opportunities, including our access to everyone in order to continue to put pressure on us, pretending that we are destroying it, but in fact, the experts who talk to us on the sidelines, yes, we all accept konstantin. historical happened that there world famous psychiatrists were and are. maybe you really need to contact them there, and they will be helped there. thank you very much i will remind you. we spoke with konstantin gavrilov, head of the delegation of the russian federation in vienna on issues of military security and arms control. edward snowden has been living in russia for 10 years a former employee of the american intelligence services spoke about the methods of their work in relation to the first persons of foreign states. now he is one of the most wanted people on the planet, his lawyer told us about this.

anatoly kucherena propose to look and listen, of course, to our conversations. hello hello. thank you for taking the time, there is such a thing once a certain 10 years, like edward snowden in russia, uh , relatively recently. i understand that he became a citizen of our country. and why it is important to discuss this topic, in fact, goes beyond the personal history of an individual. this is the theme of freedom of speech in the modern world freedom of information dissemination. e, and. uh, the last year or two. and maybe even a little more this topic. well, starting from covid. it has become even more acute, and therefore in the social network and other means of electronic communication. now they have acquired such force that a certain legal understanding of the ongoing processes and so on is clearly required. we

will talk about this now, but at the beginning, this is certainly the fate of edward snowden. how does he feel, are you as his official representative? please tell us how he's doing. he lives in moscow and in russia, respectively , about a year ago he received russian citizenship, he went on a general basis. although many say that for almost 10 years he was stateless. yes, there is a certain procedure , so we went through all this procedure, all these procedures, and today he is a citizen of russia. how is his professional activity developing? uh, what he does. you know, how he did it technology. so he deals with the same issues. it's not revealed because you know he's the most wanted person in the world, so in this case, uh, his specific job is unconditional. we are not

discussing. well, this is understandable, but the main thing is that a person has found himself. i mean it's in demand. he is, of course, in demand unconditionally, having uh skills in the field of it technology. uh, the fourth technological revolution, such people will always be in demand anatoly grigoryevich well, it is now, in essence, clear that a separate history of an individual - this shows it is extremely important. and the fact that russia cares about people who, uh, are ready. uh, sacrificing your personal interests for the sake of some common cause. that's what this common thing is for which he suffers. well, he suffered. well, first of all to say that uh, of course. yes, russia has done a very right thing. i didn't say anything, because i can say that i was president then. e america obama, he behaved enough. eh, cheeky. uh,

all sorts of ultimatums. uh made up on the application of the fact that russia should immediately give back to america e. i know this, including from the lips of diplomats who came to me and tried in some way for me to organize a meeting with edward there. zone of sheremetyevo airport but he said that he was not going to meet with anyone. he hasn't been arrested. he is simply forced to be there, because it is necessary to issue. uh, the relevant documents so that he could get out of the uh, sterilized sheremetyev's report so it was. as a matter of fact, we did it. i personally took care of the design of the temporary shelter, as soon as the temporary asylum, uh, they released him from there and then he already began to arrange his life on the territory of russia. and what about his persecution , you said, he is the most wanted person, there are some facts that indicate that they are really looking for him or they have simply already

forgotten about him. i don't think it has been forgotten. i think that they are certainly looking for this work, of course, it is operational. of course, we don’t know all the subtleties, but those statements that were made after edward ended up on the territory of russia they were clearly threatening evidence, indicating that no one would forgive him for this, and in any case they would try to e get, wherever he is, therefore, he suffers exclusively for the truth, because he, uh, told the whole world about what they say to politics , that america has the biggest stands there, but in fact, uh, they arrange everything not true, total surveillance and all the higher political leadership know about it, but no one took any measures in order to put in place the same intelligence officers who carried out illegal

surveillance of citizens not only of america but also of citizens of other countries, a lot has been written about this. i won't repeat myself. this is what he was talking about. while in hong kong before so, to come to russia, he suffered only for the truth, because i remember well when i arrived at sheremetyevo airport when he chose about 15 of us and invited us to sheremetyevo to consult with us and there were human rights lawyers. and when he saw the race for the first time and said that here i am, the same person who lived well. in america , i have a good family, and i made good money, but i couldn't stand it anymore. hmm. lies, which e almost everywhere was and and total surveillance of citizens and distortion of information regarding the rights and freedoms of citizens, therefore, i also made a decision, as he said, to open the world in the eyes and show that everything that the special services do is

illegal, while others say, what did you say about the family. e, do edward snowden's relatives have any problems, there are no problems, e periodically. well, immediately when it was here that the parents came. i also met my dad and we have a good relationship. we keep in touch this one when he has some questions. i am always open, so he lives a normal life, of course, he tries, but to provide for all sorts of security measures. this is understandable. and so thank god everything is in order in russia well accepted. he is also pleased. so let's hope. that he has a good future ahead, but dear gotch and uh, here is our conversation with you, of course, once again , not only about the fate of edward snowden, but first of all about the role and the problems that he hid

this role of officials of those representatives western authorities who say one thing do another. we are now in the last year and a half. apparently it's very clear. and if there is any understanding that the problems that edward snowden risked so much because of, they found some kind of response from the western public in the political sphere. or is it such an eye crying in the wilderness. i can say that they found part of what edward was talking about. uh, a reflection of the public's understanding of these problems, and recently . uh, i see that the trend is completely different, i don’t know what it is connected with, how me edward said recently he gave an interview to the guardian because this is the same newspaper that he first met when he was in hong kong and which he gave materials when he

said something, uh and in this interview he said that what was then in the thirteenth year. it was a children's fun, that's what 's going on now, that's it, uh, a disaster. this is a significant problem, because these technologies are developing, including surveillance technologies, to this day. hmm , it's hard to understand sometimes, uh, why uh resource for a citizen can follow and to what extent such? yes? how deep , uh, the rights and freedoms of a citizen can be amazed , and at what point it can simply work against a citizen, because we understand perfectly well that information can accumulate. she is not needed today. and tomorrow, if a person decided to become there, i don’t know. fascist active politicians and if there is negative information about him, of course, a person becomes vulnerable, he becomes controllable. and it's a huge problem, so uh, i remember, i think seventy in the eighth year, back in uh, alexander solzhenitsyn spoke, in my opinion, if i'm not mistaken, also

somewhere in america, and now he was just talking about legal issues, that it had become callous. it has become such a mechanism. you know, it’s as if they’ve put it into cars, this car is spinning, and that’s it. eh, some nerd. it's hard to even rate this. well, the fact that there is such a problem, it really exists and it is very serious, because today certain decisions that are made by the relevant leaders come from foreign countries. what they rely on, they rely on us not citizens. or they rely on the opinion of special services, which can give distorted information. this is, in my opinion, a very serious question. well, you, as specialists in jurisprudence, can somehow protect yourself from this, but for an ordinary citizen or someone who would really like to make a career as a politician, a public figure, and so on, but because modern technologies such as deep fake and more. uh, all sorts of other

things. they can, uh, just discredit any actual person. and where is he it is very, very difficult to seek protection from this , it is almost impossible to defend yourself, because this is already a car and we ourselves are partly to blame for letting this car into our lives. it is clear that a huge flow of information e to figure out where is the truth, where is a lie is very difficult even today. uh, it’s probably worse than bullets not from lead, but bullets from mud, because this is good, it works , and until a person, until a citizen understands whether this is true or not, this information continues to give its sometimes negative fruits. and uh, practically everything is collapsing, both reputation and

family and friends. everything is practically falling apart. and when you start to understand deeply, then this zilch was nothing there. well, the task was just to do it in such a way as to discredit the chick, so as not to allow it, for example, there i don’t know plastic for something there, for example, i say, and this is how today’s technologies work, in short, and yet . now, if a person got into such a situation, and they poured mud on his ears. it is clear that there is. uh, libel article, there, well, and so on. well , it seems to me that our legislation outdated and not only ours, but in general it needs to be radically revised. and you know , we already live with you, uh, in modern russia in general in the modern era. we live in reforms, something is being reformed all the time, but no one thinks that it doesn't matter. we live in russia or we live. there in some other foreign country. today , all the same, one whole world, as if by our technologies, we are inextricably

linked in any case, so of course, we can change this. well, i guess it should become time. e, where people should already come to power who, well, as if responsible, not only that there came out, there , for example, there is the president of, uh, some country, and he said, that's it, that's how we are without a resigned peace be upon him, but where does he get this information from? he received it from the academician, she is really qualified. he received a specialist, or he received this information from the special services and then he transforms it in society in order to get some kind of effect. this is very difficult to figure out. and so it seems to me that the time has come to talk about this today, because the world is destroying. that's it. that's sometimes not the cleanliness of those other politicians who throw information. i mean at the international level and i'm generally in the world

now and someone is very skillful in using these technologies and getting their own. if i may say so, profits da anatolyevich are really big. and unfortunately, they are measured not only in money, but in human lives, and we see how the conflict in ukraine is now, how many lies are there? and the last example is like the kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station well , obviously the usual situation is understandable no, we must turn everything upside down and climb up. so uh question. and to whom it is beneficial immediately, it seems, as they put it in its place. well, nobody wants to do that. well, this is by the way. e, anatolyevich, you are huge. thanks to us. unfortunately time is up, really. we raised such global topics, and our conversation began with snowdan. and i would like to end our conversation with this and wish eduard success in his work, and in work already like our citizen citizen of russia

thank you very much, goodbye. thanks good luck thanks. thank you. all the best. important economic events took place this week on the oil market at the beginning of the price rose after the decision to cut production, but then began to fall, why we will talk about this with leonid krutakov, associate professor of the financial university under the government of russia hello, a big game similar to the oil market, it there is always big, and now it is directly manifested actively, and we understand that the oil market has always been highly politicized, and even more so in recent times. e, let's build our conversation with you, after all, your opinion. will i be able to ask you straight out like this? can the guardianship keep prices from falling, because the other team is biden, who is the captain there. they are trying to bring down prices , it has come to the point, even you remember that the representatives of saudi arabia warned

the shortists, the so-called stock market players who sell short oil. not, having it, as such, that is, knocking down prices, that is, finance speculators, what's going on? well, as a matter of fact, they marked a strong line, of course, financial speculation. we have the same 98%, e oil transactions. this is paper oil. these are stock derivatives without the obligation to deliver. that is, this is just pure speculation. and in the conditions of the global stock market, when commodity exchanges work together with stock exchanges, that is, mixed capital, the flow of capital is subject to the fed's interest rates in recent years have been raised by 4%. even wall street john wrote about this, and since us oil is traded, and all paper is traded only in dollars, it is such as a system of communicating vessels that the value of the dollar rises when the interest rate falls

on oil. uh, well, that is, the dollar is growing or falling. in this sense, the situation in the eighties is alarming to me. yes, because then, too, saudi arabia cut evenly. they forgave oil production up to five times, they reduced production, in my opinion, to two to four million barrels per day. uh quell the price drop while the us fed then i brought my rate up to 16% and did not continue hmm ah, the price fell, what happened then then the director came to uh, saudi arabia talked with the king told them that the states were planning to devalue the dollar devaluation to double. that's all the valar. the saudis switched from dollars to other military and other currencies in march and dramatically increased production to 9 million barrels within two months and the same collapse occurred. here

in the eighty-sixth year, which was the beginning of the end of the soviet union, such was the coordinated game of oil speculators and saudi arabia is the current situation, oddly enough. reminds that that process, how it will end is difficult to say here because the question is. which side will it end up on? uh, the saudi family, who will she end up playing with before that, they always played in the usa. well, while you seem to be like the saudis want to raise the price of oil. and it's bad for them, it turns out. biden is selling strategic reserves. already sold almost everything there a little bit. so they left for a rainy day. not enough at all. a so for now, it seems like we're seeing that saudi arabia is on the right side of history. so then i for some reason and sense then also in the 80s. they also reduced, diligently, trying to raise the price, they tried, as they do now. they did try. you thought the price for it, but the game of speculators and

the us federal reserve, you see, lowered the price again, that is, it goes. here is this tug of war back and forth. on what conditions will they agree and will they agree, or will saudi arabia maintain its agreements within the framework of guardianships? plus, because they are also from russia. we we see how the wedge is driven in and what type of russia does not control and exports, in fact , the audits are unhappy with the fact that russia's exports are growing, although they commit themselves to reducing they take, that is, there is such a very complex multi-way game. how will the truth end? here then i say, i repeat once again in the eighties, it also seemed that the saudis were playing on the side of guardianship, then they rose within two months. they quadrupled their production and brought down all prices helped the united states to evacuate the dollar, and i depreciated my duty. that is, it was. uh, as it seemed, an oppositely directed game turned out to be that they were playing the same game. well, leonid viktorovich indeed , this is a complicated matter, because we know little of the official

information. well, the information that we know, we can only discuss what behind-the-scenes negotiations are going on, we do not know, but, nevertheless. let's reason in such a classical coordinates, that is, a fed rate e, five was 0.5 just recently. ah. the liquidity of the fed is reduced by a sharp contraction of the largest contraction in the money supply. a, in my opinion, for several decades in america , well, simply. they just drain the swamp of dollars. and it is clear that in these conditions , trading oil in dollars raises questions for how long, we will tolerate the fed, because the same saudi arabia, we do not know the true intentions. it is they who are sovereign people, if the country will do as it suits them, but they want to trade the yuan part anyway, uh, do spend. that is , it turns out that it can be? the whole world just needs to agree and trade in other units. uh, oil. well, for example, gold or

there is some other accounting unit, and not in dollars, which the fed manipulates in its own interests. well, yes, this is the key question. for me, it has been there for a long time. can one side? that is, for me, this is how i regard this global confrontation. will the united states be able to force the economies , developing countries of resource countries and producing countries to remain in the dollar space, credit and debt space, or these countries, well , the brix countries, i don’t know, the sco will be able to create their own savings and investment system there, accordingly, because while all the savings of the world are kept in dollars, while all the stock, e.g., trades are in dollars. uh, with this model we we break from it. clearly, you are right, absolutely alexander, what is needed here is no longer economics and thought. there must be a political will here, an understanding of the ultimate goals, because the transition from one model of calculations to another and savings. it will entail a drop

in the standard of living and the level of consumption throughout the world, because such restructurings never go unnoticed. but for this you need to understand the goal and the main thing to understand the parameter we are striving for, that is, it is necessary to restructure the head from receiving market profits to long-term ones, that is, this is already political thinking, and not business thinking of the conjuncture, not market thinking, where you bought and sold, and this is such a very deep question, because that we are used to, and at least most of our decision-makers from the nineties are used to living in a business model, and not in a model of political political subjectivity, which today is declared the main priority of the country, and we see how hard it is to rebuild the country in general and, most importantly, its conceptual apparatus and mental apparatus. i mean personnel in this direction, because, after all, the west uses oil as a global deflator throughout the entire price chain, because the cost of oil is embedded in everything in everything in all

world prices. and here they are low no, allows them to provide high value technology. and we are like a deflator using our intellectual resource, we have the cheapest , uh, intellectual resource, so we have a brain drain, so we have uh, uh, sort of the main profits are the rental industry, and not technological ones either. by the way, how's the job? that is, this is a very deep alexander , a very serious issue that requires a political approach. here you are 100% right. and for this, in short, you have a minute with you, and literally one and a half remained. and we are raising the question of such a minimum for the nobel prize in economics, probably, yes, a joke, but nonetheless. you know, today there was a meeting of the bank of russia and today i saw, uh, how many other specialists in exchanges boat our ruble, and our monetary authorities say, but we have nothing to do with it. we don't know anything. you and i talk a lot about settlements in rubles, the transition to rubles back and forth,

and at the same time, we see more volatility in the currency during the day than blue chips. this is where such wine is who will be calculated in rubles, if it moves the ruble like that, i would like to ask our monetary authorities. that's how so you know there was such a grant i say there was such a president of the united states during the long time of this depression of the first global depression world crisis. it was then that the issue was also resolved, and oh, and he clearly formulated that if the money is not tied to any resource , if it is fiat money, that is, ordinary credit receipts, then any businessman turns into a player, because a delayed deal forces him to think, not rather the fulfillment of the obligation, but the exchange rate that will be, that is, everyone turns into speculators. it is in this stage of the market. we are in this stage and live in this parameter. unfortunately, the russian central bank and this so, well, this is a separate topic for conversation. i hope that there are certain sound

positions of thought in our and the central bank's finance ministries, well, there are many questions. i hope we in the st. petersburg forum on the forum will discuss all this for you very much. thank you, global issues, really very complex different aspects of your opinion. i understand, thank you very much . we spoke with leonid krutogo, associate professor at the financial university under the government of russia. and now the news from the news agency tapes to the former us president donald trump is still charged with 38 counts, among them illegal possession of classified documents related to national security. in particular , information about the us nuclear program , serious articles, trump could face a prison term of up to 20 years . my colleagues will tell more about this in the next chat. and i, alexander koreevsky, say goodbye to you in a few minutes, the broadcast of our channel will continue the program vesti duty. all

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