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x hello in the studio ekaterina gracheva this is our weekly church program and we are on the russia 24 channel every week with the latest

news. we are discussing on the air with representatives of the church. and today the metropolitan, patriarchal exar in africa, is my guest. leonid klinsky hello vladyka good afternoon ekaterina i am glad to greet you. of course, we will also talk about africa already. traditionally, uh, but let's start with such, uh, fresh diplomatic news of the church, which are directly related to the international relations of the russian orthodox church, but now with the catholics, here is the pope's envoy for the settlement of the conflict in ukraine , there is such a cardinal zubier received the consent and the kremlin to come to he previously visited moscow, kiev visited bucci. what do you expect from this visit and what do you think? uh, the true purpose of the holy see. that's why the initiative of the prism to moscow, as far as i read from e. messages, as far as the press secretary of the president informed that for a long time there had been no consent before. well, as i understand it, we still sometime wait e

cardinals. uh, i would like that , first of all, they were taken to the donbass to aliyev, where hundreds of murdered children are buried, but he was in the bucha , he saw what was happening there, but unlike the staged bucha. all the children killed by the coronazi regime are real and that's it before starting any negotiations. he must also see this place as a christian. i think i should understand all the horror that i have been in the east of ukraine for eight years, and then it will be necessary to listen to him, as for some expectations, i will personally share my subjective opinion. no way. why don't you expect this, because the policy of the vatican has not changed over the centuries. we can remember now the days of ronald reagan. and his

security adviser richard allen with the vatican the following phrase. not before him, neither after him, nor during the policy of the vatican towards the orthodox church and russia , it seems to me that it has not changed on this score. eat numerous works. for this report. there is an understanding. here i would like to focus our listeners on a certain very interesting moment, because both our russian statehood and the russian orthodox church, yes, and we are all people, uh, believers and with trust, but we value all relationships. and here we need to remember the iron chancellor, probably, here he is, who said that politics is the art of the possible. let politicians meet and let them discuss something and somehow. but we must understand that any

hostilities end in peace. but the world he is also different, there are winners, but there are losers . the most terrible expansion began in all ukrainian territories, the most terrible, and we understand that the proxy of the vatican is the so-called greek catholic church. i mean, those direct and indirect followers in ukraine who lead all

those actions that descend from the vatican and in 2002 the cruelest concept went, although then the russian orthodox church was headed by patriarch alexei ii, he said that quite recently we heard other things from the lips of the vatican, that the russian orthodox church is a sister church. we count on long-term good relations, but in this case we should not engage in parasitism. there is no need to convert primordially orthodox people into catholics and catholics into greeks. and if we project this situation to a later period. when the historic visit in 2016 of the patriarch of moscow all russia kirill to havana took place and there was already a meeting with uh pope francis there, too, good peace-loving numbers were signed, but it was already in february, already in june, peter the minister of foreign

affairs had already arrived for a visit to ukraine with cathedrals in kharkov where there had never been unianism . that is, the vatican ministers themselves said how much fabulous funds were invested there, that is, these are a few examples. you mean by themselves they have a basis, and we understand it, i don’t remember, uh, the great patriotic war, when the galician division consisting of uh you understand who i even i do not want to say these bad words from the nazis. finished nazis, who in the forty-fifth year in 1945 surrendered to the british army. they did not bear many of

them deserved punishment, because with the filing of the holy thrones. and allowed to migrate to canada began and continued to hate, uh, russia to the soviet union and stuff, well, here are a number of people, including the head of the conference of catholic bishops of russia , the archbishops, that this visit of the teeth to moscow may contribute to this possibility of resuming dialogue for holding a meeting already personal between the pope francis patriarch, kirill and generally speaking, in the light of everything you said, this is a meeting. she is needed at all. she led to something. the last thing we officially know about the chairman of the matter of external church relations, metropolitan anthony, if i’m not mistaken, it was in february of this year that

there are no talks about any meetings and arrangements for meetings so far . although earlier such conversations were conducted. well, how can they be conducted now, if let's say, uh hmm secretaries. e vatican city christian relations coordinated the jacket called, uh, the patriarch of moscow a heretic , and then no apology followed. what kind of meetings can there be if you allow yourself an impartial expression, uh, addressing uh, the most holy patriarch, a decent conversation? and we do not receive any official apology on this matter. even in the studio, i feel uncomfortable repeating to our viewers what was said. yes, we are told that through some sort of uh secret channels an apology was sent to the address, but you'll excuse, uh, the insult was inflicted publicly. means, publicly were to follow. eh, apologies. we didn't hear them. and here you are talking with vlada antony, head of

the department for external church relations. unfortunately, only twice in our studio was he often on the road. how is he in this position now in these difficult times. i often communicate with him. i believe that the decanton, e, is doing everything possible to bring e some work, but we understand that one way or another he fulfills the type of instructions that e come from e, the office, which is also supervised by his natives. so here uh the question is very delicate, i have no right to give, uh , an unprofessional assessment, or even a personal one, because we are talking to a wide audience . hmm in vladik anton, not an easy obedience. ah, how he copes with him , the holy synod of the russian orthodox church and his holiness the patriarch should not evaluate him, but we are in such a historical section now that uh, very, uh, thin line. m-m

of inter-christian relations. e, between the orthodox e are under serious pressure, both from the west as a collective west and from others e geopolitical players who see in russia and in the russian orthodox church. eh, enemies and try to demonize all sorts of uh. we see this in church relations as well. we see this in cultural relations to this we see. we see this in sports, everywhere, but as we testify. eh, it doesn't work , it's impossible to cancel that russian culture. cancel russian hockey, which has always been in, uh, the top three greatest, uh, sporting events in the world. i was now looking out of the corner of my eye at what took place in the baltics. well, i don't know, it's a championship game. the bath was not, you know, that is, it’s generally about nothing without the russians there is no full-fledged presence. you want

to reset, in general, some criteria for sporting achievements, and so on and so forth. i think that all the same, everything will return to normal, but it will take time. let's talk about your votne, let's talk about our parishes in africa, you were not so long ago in uganda. but since the last time we met. i interviewed you. uh, how much has it expanded? this means that the number of our parishes has expanded in africa and, well , our influence has grown as far as the caravans are increasing. uh increases the direction of the dogs stay the same and they multiply and they become angry. that is, we are expanding the entire geography at the moment. these are 22 countries at the moment - this is more than 200 clerics. this is an increase in e-e social humanitarian educational programs. we are in

close cooperation with the ministry of education with the ministry of education with the ministry of health from abroad. uh our society, which is headed by yevgeny primakov naturally with the ministry of foreign affairs. uh, we are developing the most powerful programs in africa at the moment, which are already being implemented in many countries. well, of course, it must be said, uh, that we are directly to the july second international russia and africa in which we hope that his holiness patriarch of moscow of all russia will also take part , because this will be a unique opportunity to convey the position of the growth of the orthodox church to many u , leaders of presidents, uh, countries africans who will personally be present in st. petersburg at this forum in july and what failed, er, the priest of rome with his brief visit to several african countries.

i think the patriarch of moscow all russia will succeed brilliantly, because his african flock loves to thank him very much for what he does there, and with the hands of the exarchate for his competent management, and we believe that at the moment we really manage to implement many positions, with regard to the directly indicated moonganda. and then there the process is supervised personally by the president of the ganda. he is a very conservative person. we know each other personally. i have met several times and at the moment we have been allocated one of the large plots in uganda. where, as i have repeatedly told your colleagues will be. the administrative-spiritual center of the russian orthodox church, the hospital, the school, and other buildings were also built, which were jointly agreed between his holiness the patriarch and the president. uh, uganda will be implemented. uh, we see good development prospects there. who if so one can say to use this word as the main

competitors on the african continent in the russian orthodox church. uh, we have no competitors uh, speaking in worldly terms, uh, we entered the canonical desert , after the patriarch of alexandria supported, uh, the patriarchs, bartholomew of constantinople, they became schismatics for us, and therefore, uh, we are also calmly dealing with you let's make our own. lots of things to fix as well. er, with many questions. we collide and start from scratch very much e pseudo-christian communities that considered themselves christian are asking us to work with them and explain in reality. what is orthodox teaching? we do it non-stop missionary groups changing one another working on the continent. hey i'm talking about prospects. here we have very good greeks, as the alexandrian greeks can, they can put spokes in our wheels , but i’m saying this again, it’s nothing more than,

uh, uh, dogs that run after the caravan and try something there - then do on our activity. it doesn't affect absolutely. uh, because the africans finally saw in us the friends of those friends they saw during the soviet union and then for many decades. unfortunately, the activity of both the soviet union so most likely russia and the russian orthodox church was not somewhat limited, but eventually. we have come to the point, i am now saying to the russian orthodox church, that we will no longer delegate our powers to anyone. we will develop the contingent ourselves. we will invest in educational processes ourselves. and how ekaterina and i understand very well, if we are now educating, uh, youth, and we are educating them. the academic year is now over and 11 students in st. petersburg will go on a full four-year course beyond theological education.

the students are now studying at the moscow pedagogical state university, and the other day we celebrated the day of the russian language. and pushkin they perfectly read pushkin and our father in verse, exposition and another poem, that is, people begin imbibe imbibe our culture. eh, our eh, the good news about christ in the same way as it was passed on to us in due time, and we are very glad that we have such an opportunity to pass it on to our brothers , namely brothers and friends. this is how they see us, because the russian orthodox church, as well as in the russian statehood, has never been engaged in neo-calinalism in the american direction, and in conclusion , i would like to know how to draw a parallel between the events in ukraine and what is happening on the territory already ex e for viewers who don't know. i didn't know that either. in 1998, you were part of e, the russian separate brigade of the airborne

forces, with contingents of peacekeeping forces in bosnia and herzegovina. now we know that another aggravation of power is taking place on the territory of kosovo and the former ugaslava, kosovo said that they want, uh, that a strong nato contingent be present there ah, what is your forecast, because we can now observe in the near future on these territories and do you see any uh historical uh parallels with what is happening in ukraine and it's far-fetched taxes your question is absolutely in the top ten and it's undoubtedly a very heavy legacy a very heavy legacy i remember the ninety-eighth ninety-ninth years. i remember my stay. there i was in the position of a military priest to our brigade. and i had to do many things and support the serbs and interact with those priests who went to the rear, uh, and uh, into the forests in order to continue serving my people and not fall under this from aggression. hmm you

you know the hurt is that pandora's box was opened that's when. it was then that it was precisely the americans who needed outside the un resolution barbaric bombardments were carried out and the flourishing european, orthodox power was dismembered, what is now happening e at the junction. uh, kosovo serbia is just another pandora's box in a pandora's box, only of lesser significance. and he, uh, god forbid, i don’t want to be a bad prophet, but he may have entailed another thousand or tens and hundreds of thousands of victims. unfortunately, our world is arranged. uh unfair and right no one canceled the strong there and freedom is often obtained, only with blood, the serbs fought courageously then, but under the onslaught of ah, the superior forces of the opponent, they did what

russia could. unfortunately, at that time , she could not help our fraternal serbian people in any way. hmm well and what we now hear from the president of serbia again such yesterday i heard his interview. he said that he would u build up military relations with uh. um, representatives of the united states of america, what do you call it? i don't know but i i know that the serbian people are simple people, they do not support or approve of this thing. he understands that he must fight for his shrines with his territory for his right to the future, and he will fight if necessary. may god grant that all this ends peacefully. but what was created is artificial. uh, state uh in the underbelly of serbia. this is very, very bad. this is very, very dangerous, and naturally nato will not

come forward. there, in the next size, nato will once again support pumping up weapons to completely uncontrolled enclaves that then they will destroy old women and children. here is my opinion. thank you very much for coming to our studio and commenting on those current news. thank you thank you only in alpha-bank you will get the first russian alfa stickers, stick them on your phone and pay. as usual, order before june 30 and get your sticker absolutely free at alpha-bank.ru alpha-bank is the best mobile bank. meet cashback up to 25% on your first

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its future, for the life and security of our people for our sovereignty independence said vladimir putin will tell in more detail an armed rebellion is a stab in the back of our country and our people. here, perhaps, the main words of the president this morning, vladimir putin addressed all citizens of russia , including the personnel of the armed forces of law enforcement agencies and special services, as well as those soldiers and officers who are now fighting in combat positions for their homeland russia today is waging a hard fight for its future reflects the aggression of neo-nazis and their masters against us actually directed the entire military economic information machine. west we are fighting for the life and safety of our people for our sovereignty and independence for the right to be and remain a russian state with a thousand-year history.