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he formulated the idea that the russians can be defeated only if the ukrainians are set against them. the main task was a swift offensive and access to our western border. to overcome the water surface 3 km wide with the dominant west bank, this is a very serious task, armored defense.

here are all those lines. we had to overcome 2,438 people in a single battle and received the title of heroes of the soviet union in just the entire previous history of heroes. less. hello dear friends on the air, the fifth studio is talking about international affairs. we have a very important guest today. we have something to talk about. this is grigory karasin, head of the international affairs committee of the federation council, ah. grigory borisovich welcomes you thank you for taking the time alexander good to hear from you. thanks a lot. well, let's start with the tenth regional forum, which was held in ufa. they were there in person.

please tell us what you talked about and why this topic is important. well really the tenth inter-regional parliamentary forum, which traditionally takes place under the auspices. uh, the federation council from our side and the upper house. ah, the parliament, a two-day very interesting dialogue and discussion of problems took place, uh. uh, there were a lot of people. not only parliamentarians. these were public figures, ministers, vice-premiers, governors. ah. compared to last year's e, means forum, grodno, today it became clear that we should be more specific. we have to talk about real things in the results about what comes out of it. uh, actually speaking about this, the very situation that surrounds both russia and belarus from the frontal station attack, which

continues on us, and i must say that the economy is coping. with uh, the economy began to work more rhythmically, nine sections were discussed in total, but i will tell you about my section about our section, that means together with a colleague. come on points. we held a section that was devoted to public diplomacy , there were a lot of representatives of public youth organizations, and it’s different, so we agreed that this conversation will continue next year, by the way, he says, the next forum will be held in vitebsk. so we hold them annually and again under the auspices of valentina ivanovna matvienko and natalya ivanovna kachanova, and we must thank you for the well-organized . uh, so the organizers from bashkortostan were great. everything was done , so the other sections dealt with specific

issues of agriculture and mechanical engineering. health. health means networking in science education. in a word, there was practically a conversation, very good results, they need to be implemented, of course. but the most important thing is that we are working on a counter-move. that is, if people around are thinking about enmity, uh, they are trying to intimidate us, and uh, that means, uh, with all sorts of arms supplies to ukraine there and so on with an information war, then we are talking about specific issues of establishing cooperation in defending our sovereignty. and it turns out belarusians - they understand this well, uh, before the start, two presidents addressed the participants. e.i vladimir vladimirovich putin and grigoryevich lukashenko himself e. the mood was very good, but in a word, we have to work. we work with

belarusian partners and our colleagues. uh, so the union state is moving forward. well, in spite of any difficulties, and this pleases, in my opinion, all the participants and not only the participants, but even those people who are watching this process, but grigory borisovich well, we are now seeing the activation of the construction of a union state. this is a long process, it has been going on for a long time, eh, but lately it has taken such an accelerated character. and now there is an opinion that it is our union of two states that shows a model for cooperation for constructive interaction, a construction that is strange in the future new world order, which is going on before our eyes. and how do you evaluate such a point of view, i completely agree with your characterization, we really are an example of constructivism, positive thinking and concrete deeds. actually. eh, this is the meaning of e, forums and not only forums, but also meetings of the government

of the union state, and by virtue of that process, which we associate with the implementation of these twenty-eight points on which the presidents once agreed. uh, so i think things are going well, uh, very good rhythm. e, recruited magnificent e. now the most important thing is not to succumb to the emotions associated with sanctions attacks and so on, calmly implement the agreements that have been reached. i think that we will succeed even in this i am sure. yes, grigory bolshoy here are our relations with belarus, these are contrasts, a positive contrast of what is happening with neighbors, i wanted to say the former former neighbors probably don't happen to be neighbors. and this ukraine will present this issue differently, yes. and i want to return to ukraine and to zelensky’s statements. why are they important well, of course, throwing these hats on him

, these sentiments that we ourselves will have to ask for ukraine to be included in nato - this is understandable to his fantasies. and i, of course, understand what they are caused by. eh, after all, here i came across information today in colombia at 18%, e plantations. coca rose last year, apparently international demand grows on this type of product. but uh, i would like to show our viewers now, uh, eradicate everything russian. eh, what about initiatives? you are the initiatives of the ukrainian president, and what about now? and now now i'll show it on the tablet, and to make it clear what is at stake, but this is a transfer. e christmas january 7 at 25, and and so on english, everyone should know, er. ah, officials, but this is their internal business it would seem, but the very fact that e is so

active, e, active attitude smoothing the conflict, at least theoretically, but practically, how would you comment on these e. well, statements, or something, and about what we will ask nato , it is clear that this is nonsense, but it is based on something. it seems that, as you understand, zelensky played too much and all his team lost their sense of reality, they became beggars. e in terms of arms financing in terms of assistance in terms of information companies and so on. i must say my personal opinion that lately i have framed something more e careful in his promises, er, and he began to choose an expression. here, uh, maybe the fatigue of the western countries is showing. uh, including, by the way, the nato countries of washington from what is happening in ukraine

with its regime with its requests with some kind of completely e semi-idiotic e, it means that the manner of behavior with its own people , english is really being introduced as the language of interethnic communication. it ’s necessary to come up with something like that there with education, apparently, not everything is good with them in uh, within their own team. that's uh, so that's all evoke smiles and laughter. uh, some kind of sarcasm, uh, this does not lead to anything serious. but once again i want to repeat. westerners are not in a hurry. nato does not invite, so ukraine will discuss problems together. uh, maybe , as i said, fatigue , disappointment and growing fear that as a result of all this mess with this ukrainian epic. and the world can slide into

serious consequences. eh, moreover, such thoughts will be of a global nature. uh, some westerners say, uh, political scientists and politicians do not say directly, but such a tonality has appeared and, uh, i must say, i think that this anality will be strengthened over time. uh. yes, you know, but here is the confirmation of your words. uh, switzerland rejected the application of a local company to sell ninety leopard tanks to ukraine through germany, this one, and at the moment problems arose with the supply. well, some military things from australia and and so on, that is, some signs, well, it’s clear that it’s not sobering, it’s probably too early to talk about this, but nevertheless, some signs. already have the world began to think about where all this adventure leads. uh, with the zelensky regime with

military supplies with the help of tens of billions of dollars and euros there. uh, nothing works out all these counter-nassups and others, which means they fail. uh, so ukraine invents some ridiculous initiatives within the country. uh, asks to strengthen assistance to intensify, which means military supplies and so on. uh, i get the impression that this is starting to get annoying. eh? let's hope that this e trend will be strengthened. let's see. we are in this case, we are a country that has demonstrated unity. e around our president during the trials. here, which were literally the other day we are confident in our abilities.

uh, so, uh the armed forces are in good shape, so, uh, informationally, i think we are ripe to develop our own information efforts to inform the international community about how things are going in our country about what we think the world has slowly begun to retreat, as it seems to me, maybe this is how they say not friendly countries king came out and that means this type of wishful thinking is really given out. it seems to me that sobering up is slowly coming and people are starting to think. and what yes so at us, in my opinion, communication with a category was gone. uh, lost connection. yes, but for now i will continue our issue, and let's talk further, perhaps, our colleagues. let's get in touch now. uh, the next question that burned griboevich. i wanted to discuss and say a few words about my own, so the question is definitely the visit

of the representative of the pope, cardinal ezupius, uh, russia, uh, i met with him assistant to the president in international affairs. and yuri ushakov said, you hear us before, yes, excellent. i just started talking about... you heard? yes, and we already had some commentary about the fact that mainly about the humanitarian issue, uh, were considered, well, the humanitarian issue, of course, was considered. i understand that, but still. i think that it was hardly possible to manage , after all, on other topics of conversation. and i mean, that's what you said the world is tired and continued. topics, but still a pope his structures in the world. they wear much more an authoritative character not only to the lerical but also politically. well, historically , the pope has always played a big role in europe in political terms and so

on. but his representative came, as i understand it, to offer some of his thoughts on regulation in ukraine. probably , after all, the main thing was the topic. why do you really think this would happen these days? uh, cardinal super is here in moscow, he met. e with a view. as far as i know, he has other meetings. er, so, and er, we've always stated. vladimir vladimirovich spoke about this through the mouths of our official representatives, that we are ready for contacts. we are ready to discuss it in a real way. uh, real projects are real questions. we are not closed, but this is an extra uh, so to speak, uh, proves. i mean visit. uh, hmm cardinal in the tooth once again shows that such talk. perhaps they are useful for clarifying each other's position , each other's intention, we will count on

the fact that the weight of e, means both the cardinal and the pope rimsky will play in favor. eh, common sense. for this. in fact, these meetings are held. as far as i understand, they are very interesting specifically, uh , they touch upon specific humanitarian issues, but uh, the visit itself creates an appropriate atmosphere for this is important. that's why we wish the cardinal success. we will meet in moscow, we will follow their results. and what will follow next in our relations, grigory ivanovich, another topic is the conclusion of our conversation, which surprised me very much today, so to speak, but i would like your get a comment, how serious is this, but the newspapers are a fan of the stancher. with kollegin , we will show that we have the opportunity, and the european union can offer security guarantees to ukraine following the results of the eu summit today, 2930, and france has prepared some

security guarantees. there are even european ones. some politicians. they say that this is a guarantee of security. is it that the europeans will now fight in ukraine or something together? how incomprehensible? what it is? how serious do you think this is? may be? no, in my opinion, this is demagoguery . this is what a guarantee and security is, if you wanted to know for a long time, it provides direct financial military support, e.g., support to the ukrainian regime, this is what it is. eh, those guarantees. and in this case, this is the design, er, really, of what is happening in some incomprehensible words. nothing more, because some clarification is needed. uh, the eu's detailed action plan, i doubt they'll follow, but the demonstration is wet. uh, in support of the zelensky regime, this is

not for the first time. we see nothing special in this, it seems to me, so this in no way changes the fundamental picture of what is happening in ukraine and around it. that is, as long as we understand that these are some kind of political declarations, behind which there are no real steps. and there is one more thing here. they also promise, supposedly some surprises, there are european ones, and the authorities at the nato summit , which will be held in july. ah, some too. that is, maybe this is how this carrot in front of ukraine is constantly being moved forward. i i understand the situation so well. i think, i think it's really true, uh , calling a carrot is an insult to a carrot. this is exactly what it is. a! well, such an imitation of verbal activity. she will continue. we must deal with this. eh, as if, well, without dramatizing the events. uh, main mainly . we must look at what

is really happening in life, what is happening with combat capability. uh, it means the ukrainian regime to monitor whether they supply or not uh something new types of weapons, because if these weapons will be stockpiled or, in the form of aircraft, based on foreign territories. this will fundamentally change our position and our reaction to such placements. in a word, we will study the real situation fully armed with information and analytically. but once again i want to repeat that the impression is that the enthusiasm from the collective west has subsided a bit. well, i don't want to give hope to our colleagues here, but it is felt throughout that the strength of our position is the unity of the country, and around. eh, like rejection. uh, these e all our maneuvers

european in general western. e, that means colleagues, e, becomes dominant, that is, our society withstands the pressure e, we are not afraid of sanctions, so to speak, e events, since it only stimulates our own economic financial activity. a lot of questions help to solve disciplines society. and here we are and we will carefully watch and analyze the further development of grigory varevich. you are huge. thank you. really. let's watch them develop very quickly. thank you very much for found time about us, let us remind you, we talked with grigory karasin's head, committee on international affairs federation council a. today we had a conversation, a little earlier, we recorded it in a rescue, and in australia, our messenger from australia, uh, with alexei pavlovsky, i suggest listening to this conversation,

because it is very interesting from the point of view of how distant australia sees this situation in ukraine what going on in this country? alexey viktorovich hello, thank you for taking the time for us. the first question i would like to ask is the fact that australia once again allocates money to help the kiev regime, there we are talking about $ 110 million, we are also talking about the allocation of armored vehicles, but then, uh, the australian government, for some reason, decided not to supply it. please explain here what is going on in this issue? hello alexander, thank you for inviting me. and here on the question of hmm about the next package. uh, military assistance to ukraine, it would be more accurate to formulate the armored vehicles in the package as 28

m113 armored personnel carriers are quite old, in fact, from the time vietnam war. the kiev regime strongly demanded from australia another light armored car. australian -made hukai capable of using them as mobile platforms for air defense systems , they did not receive them. all in all, it was interesting to watch this saga. mm, the australian side is clearly giving. and the hawkeye didn't want to, for one reason or another. well, most likely, you just need to. uh, in addition , hmm 90 heavier armored cars have already been sent to ukraine, and the bushmaster and the australian ministry of defense hmm found it. it seemed like a great excuse. uh, hawk not fully debugged brake system was

said and it would seem in any other situations. uh, this topic would be closed, but uh, as they say, the wrong ones were attacked, meow , the ukrainian side is meant. yes, of course. the ukrainian side said give it out, and we'll figure it out, we'll drive slower than business, and don't slow down. well, something like this and uh, well, not just said, but here a whole company of arm-twisting was deployed, and with flash mobs of the ukrainian diaspora, street advertisements, custom-made articles in the press, speeches parliamentarians from the friendship group e. with ukraine by the way, the chairman of this group, senator david ivan a. just the other day, i had to change because of a high-profile sex scandal in which he was involved.

but that's all, it turned out to be futile, uh, there are no hawkays in the package, and so, well, you know, the australian government, with the assistance of the local mainstream media, raised the hysteria around our special operation to such a degree that now it itself is forced to justify itself for insufficient support for ukraine and uh -uh, of course, the opposition doesn't get a chance to criticize the government. well, not overspending. and for just insufficient ukraine, yes, that is, we need to give more money. uh, weapons and so on. quite right. here is one local expert hawk. he generally said that after the announcement of this package, the prime minister. hmm albanianism shouldn't show up at the nata summit at all. uh, vilnius, so as not to be disgraced, well, these are the moods, uh, disgrace, uh, with their greed,

or something, in relation to being disgraced by the fact that support is completely insufficient, and you said about the sex scandal very strange. it sounds because it is in western countries, but in australia it also belongs to this category and countries, in my opinion, there is nothing to scandalize there anymore. they all seem to have resolved themselves. what is it and why? eh, in fact, it had such a meaning for australia, or is it still a question of an element of undercover struggle? yes, you know, it's hard, it's hard to judge, but once again, one senator accused another senator of sexual harassment. here. well, well, what am i, honestly speaking of which, i've already stopped following all these scandals, because, well, it's impossible. well , yes, it's just a waste of time for sure. i just thought that you never know, this was some kind of

reason for a showdown inside. e political clans. well, perhaps, yes , there is such an element here, but nevertheless, everything will return to the weapon. eh, also. uh, ukraine asked for some decommissioned f18s, what are we talking about. and in general, what kind of plane is this , whether ukraine will receive them. this topic is present, judging by the leaks. uh, it's possible that this is the subject of contacts now in the tripartite format. uh, australia ukraine usa and unlike these armored cars. uh, these aircraft are their 41 units of these fighters, uh, the fourth generation, they have been decommissioned and decommissioned. although a certain flight resources. they still have left and i think that their deliveries to ukraine, of course, cannot be ruled out. uh, yes, perhaps so, yes, alexei

viktorovich, there is one more problem - this is a supply in general. it is clear that we are talking with you about specific things. eh, but nonetheless. i so understand, judging from your words. this general mood hysteria as you said, well , probably in a different way and you can’t say which is in essence. uh, ukrainian is a diaspora and a ukrainian topic, it blackmails the government, but in fact, that is, no one can revive them. although some voices sound sound. and they seem to be trying, but to impede supplies. we have just said, and at least some of the weapons that are important for australia. are there already any well-known voiced plans for new deliveries, in addition to what we discussed with you? well, this is the last package that as for further deliveries, the government to questions.

uh, journalists, uh, and the same opposition are still evasive, uh, but the keys are that we will do everything possible to ensure that ukraine ends the conflict on, uh, acceptable conditions for itself. nothing more definite is said here, but it must be said that already at the moment the cost of military assistance in australia to ukraine and ukraine has exceeded millions of us dollars. here with this latest package and in addition to the types of military equipment already mentioned more drones are coming. there are means of dealing with them. e, also a joint project with france for the production of 155 mm nato-style artillery shells. but such

a picture, of course, in e. yes, i interrupted within the framework. yes, i interrupted you. sorry, but that is , the picture is such that it turns out australia australia will continue to pump weapons to ukraine as far as possible, but i know what the question is. i understand that, probably, no one has conducted such an experiment, but if you ask 10 australians and show ukraine on the map. how are you think, how many ten people will find ukraine on the map, in general, what do they care about all this, how do you discuss it on the political plane, in general, where is ukraine where is australia what are you talking about? why is it necessary to spend money on payers for something? far incomprehensible country well, this is a legitimate question and i don’t know how it is on the map, but uh, ukraine is certainly a rumor, uh, and for an average australian, it’s clear that this

massive brainwashing hmm by local politicians and the media is without a trace does not pass and here is literally the situation, as in a joke, that, uh, anti-russian propaganda sounds from every iron. but hmm really people are starting to uh start to think. but one way or another, and in this sense, a recent public opinion poll is very interesting. and here he draws attention to himself. so, uh, there is a comparison of attitudes towards the supply of weapons to ukraine this year. and a year ago and uh, i wonder what proportion of those who strongly support how arms deliveries are worded?