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olga anatolyevna why is the book so serious published in english immediately here is a question on the forehead. hello um, because i write in english my master's degree and my doctorate to that degree i received in the united states of america there i start writing academic articles, then books. i was invited in the thirteenth year to moscow, but it came and she is english and actually mine audience. these are the scientists of the western world. although in russian. i also came smaller. uh-huh that 's it, then and how, uh, the publisher took this step, they keep canceling tea. they cancel everyone , they cancel you, but you are not canceled by some caliber, because, and here there is. this is an interesting question. honestly, i did not expect, to be honest, but i decided that i would still write it. this is not my first book in english. this is my third book on the discursive construction of the ukrainian crisis, which begins with the maidan and the publisher. uh, the fourteenth year 13-14 and

publishing house, in principle, was familiar with me. that is, they are my previous book by ozelensky, and his populism during the election campaign was well distributed. they had good reviews and so this time i asked a question. is it even worth writing a rationale for the book? will they consider it to me the editor answered yes. let's try. that is, if there are good reviews from academicians, then we will publish it. barrett gave me excellent feedback, this is a very famous american scientist, also a very critical thinker. he wrote beautiful, he froze before , supported by richard the briton is also very critical, tuned in relation to the maidans. and that's how it all went. well, and then you understand, i write scientific, uh, books for a very specific, uh, category of readers. these are professors who, having opened a book, understand that this is not the fantasy of some madman, and even more so, not propaganda . actually, like any scientific book, it is,

because the quotes are links, everything else timecodes. that is, any person. maybe, after reading some quote from zelensky, immediately go to the time codes on his video and make sure that i’m not actually cheating. these are all the factors, they formed into one and it turned out. i am very happy about this, you know, and why i ask about this in more detail, because it really has been developing lately. it seems that there are no more in the west and here are some of ours. uh, also uh analytical people, that is, sarai and so on, who say that in the west it is strong fell. the level of a critical assessment of the situation in political life in general is very much their propaganda. there are a lot of such views that, uh, have little in common with reality, uh, they have little inches of the snow maiden there already in black. well, and so on. that is some nonsense. this is at the household level. and here is the scientific one. as i understand it, they are still trying to maintain some kind of sobriety. yes , they try, but it doesn't always work. that's

just a week ago. i recorded an interview for our higher school of economics with the same baret. well, these are the scientists with world-famous, who published more than 30 books. according to his textbook of imperialism taught in journalism departments in the united states , i signed up and asked him this question. i have such feelings. do we have such feelings or do you agree that it has become much more difficult to publish about russia, for example. yeah , his answer was like this, it became much more difficult to publish, and not only about russia. as soon as scientists try something that goes against the washington consensus. there is such an expression, and the washington consensus - this is such a consolidated policy of the world bank. and other global institutions are more towards the economy. this is a big economic thing, but nonetheless. it is very closely connected with politics, because in order for this economic program to work, you sometimes need to change the government in some country that is interested in taking a global pill, you

understand interconnected things and i would say that it has become much more difficult. and these are world-famous scientists. but he says, nevertheless, you need to understand that this is not impossible, there are different publishing houses. yes, the mouth is only, let's say, one of the first, but there is a weaker publishing house, maybe a level, but this does not mean that they do not publish the book and does not mean that it will not sell well. we have to work. need to try. yes, it's difficult. well, for us, what is the interest in this in order to be through people like you, and whom they are ready to listen to. and why because you have exactly the scientific approach you studied there. in this sense, they trust you, probably more than if it were just a person who is from us and why is it important, because after all, reality must somehow make its way through these sprouts of this propaganda, otherwise there will be trouble, and a very serious one for the whole world. is there such an understanding in the west? well guys, let's

talk in a normal language, not in the hands of some kind of west, this is a very generalized concept. west different i know academic traces well. uh, there are universities in the west. as a rule, these are research universities of the highest level, where critical thinking is very important. one simple you can’t always deceive a reason, they need elites who really understand. they are needed worse, not so much yet. well, it doesn't always work out, but still, let's say. i 'm talking about the classical approach, maybe things are changing. here, too, for the worse, but still i studied at the faculty. and media in the end, the university of colorado is a second -level research university, where they encourage such critical thinking, but in order to be clear to the audience. we studied and worked precisely on imperialism. we studied the work of marx, engels antoniograms, but they don’t study in our country and in your school of economics they came out, in my opinion, they don’t study. that's the trouble with our critical copper research program. i teach in english, and our students study yes, they all pass.

it's easy. this is also a certain cultural environment. as you understand , the students of the higher school of economics are different, some resist, they believe that this is conditionally someone propagandistic, but nevertheless, this needs to be done. if you do not do this, if you do not critically talk about what is really happening in the world. this is a dead end. we will always lose ideologically, because a very important thing, for example, which is not considered in any way. that's perfect. well, rather the mythology of progress, which means the young. very often they simply believe at some subconscious level, without giving themselves an account. they never idealize that the west is civilization and russia is barbarism. just what zelensky talks about in his speeches is perceived as normal thinking. well, how else can be imagined otherwise. well, there is sata here jungle is jungle and yes there.

and this is very much i analyzed when the book was on the maidan of the fourteenth year, a huge number, well, discursive constructions, how to say decently, uh type scientific, a huge number of statements, and maidan activists where is mythology, it is in all its glory in almost every sentence, what is it barbarism? this is the middle ages, this is such a disgusting russia, we need to go to the light. we need to move towards civilization. this is what is called the collective subconscious. well, here, let's be honest. they outplayed us in this. we didn't fight it. we said, yes, they are the same as our families are mixed by the millions. now they buy from us, they won't go anywhere. we did not work with them, we did not offer them. here it is, the new discourse did not offer new ideas, and a holy place is never empty. if no one deals with students in this respect , mutuality is different here. here we absolutely agree with you, just our program on critical media research at the higher school of economics at the faculty creative inside.

in this regard, it is unique for russia because, in fact, i use everything that i kind of learned in the supposedly enemy united states. but in fact, it is beneficial, because here we are unbalancing these ideas about good evil, uh, students begin to think and reflect and ask themselves questions. is it so, there, but the fact that we lost to the americans, well, one small fact is one, and there are a million of them, and 3 years after ukraine declared independence in 94, the americans already opened a huge number of educational programs when they imported for free. in the united states, young people, young , ambitious, who know english, they were tutored for free at the expense of american taxpayers with you. it still exists ukrainian. yes, all of the former soviet union. well, in ukraine it was especially vulgar, they returned to ukraine, uh, under the terms of the program. they had to stay in ukraine after that for at least two years. razbudovye avtoukrainski, well, in the sense of working to

promote democracy? yes? well i say that to work in ukraine, this is how this system worked and it continues to work. and now imagine these young people a huge number. this 1,000 has already been formed since 1993. they return filled with sincere love for the united states. they don’t even have to pay to come out when they need to go to the maidan for the same. they do it sparks they want, because they believe that they are the same good this civilization is a miracle, and we means here in this terrible eurasian union. yes, we lost here, but to say, we lost to add up hands. so too it is impossible to work. of course , i'm not saying that we have done it forever. thank you lord, lately he has been doing a lot so that we can talk with you. this is also already a small drop in this direction, so that people think, but, and part of the youth, we have lost these facts, and now we need to do a lot of great work. another, but wonderful youth, which is now fighting on the fronts. these

guys are young 22 there 25 years old. and, of course, not all of them accepted all this information. we also have a lot, especially in large cities of moscow. yes, it’s a sin to hide something and our common friends, who studied there, their brains are generally turned in the other direction, this is it. eh, it's so. such a delicate long work, but olint. let's get closer to the book, but let's talk anyway. what was the most noted, what you have done perseverance in your work. ah, the book is in two parts. by the way, it is small in volume, but now it is such a fashionable format called the focus format, when you write a small book for me. she's fast enough published on some very topical topics, which are now on everyone's lips. the book consists of two parts. in the first part, i analyze 127 speeches zelensky made to foreign audiences from february 24 to october 10, 2022. i show inside

the antagonism of this discourse. there are three whales, on which the integrity of it. excuse me, a debatable construction. this is fine. first russia barbarian russia ukraine part of the civilized world, fighting barbarians. second russia is ten ukraine part of the democratic world. struggling ukraine is absolutely a single country. if someone thinks otherwise, he has his own opinion. then this someone is necessarily paid to the kremlin . here is such a spy. no. it's just a traitor's collaborator for sale. here are the three whales in the second part of the book. i show. what meanings are excluded from what zelensky says and i analyze those guys of journalists, uh, who were killed, as it turned out, elderberry spent several years in ukraine in ukrainian prisons. this is ruslan katsaba. dmitry vasilets, or were

arrested after e in march 2022. this dmitry dzhangirov. uh, yuri tkachev, a number of other guys, i analyze their discursive constructions. forgive me and show that these meanings and meanings were systematic together with these people. they were physical. there, everything else was arrested, but together with these people they left. these thoughts are forbidden and the most unpleasant. uh, obnoxious is a mild word. the worst thing is that, well, ukraine is a warring country, you can, let's say, understand a lot, but these are all the meanings that zelensky extremely simplified populist view of problem. they were mothballed recorded by all the media . west well at least we are extreme media and thus ordinary viewers are usually readers. ordinary citizens of western societies do not have access to alternative information , the fact that they use

this extremely primitive design of zelensky from morning till night, no matter who writes them to him. yes, we didn't get it. although he is a great actor. eh, that's great. they then word was a good actor. and he can this is the script it is good to sound well, to read them well to convey. this is a fact to be commended . it's not bad. he did. unfortunately. no, it's a moot point, but anyway anyway. and who writes to him and no matter how effectively, he says it. this is also important. well, not so. but the fact that this is all relayed endlessly and turns into a so-called normalized representation of what is happening here in such a emasculated in such an extremely primitive form. this is incredibly dangerous, because we are not them. not us barbarians civilization destroys the symbolic field necessary for conversation and compromise, for example, you are not me. i don’t understand this, but we have something in common

, we are people, maybe we will assume in the same profession, or maybe we are residents of the same country, something in common, when this discourse is extremely antagonistic, it is sprayed all over the world. there is nothing in common, zelensky calls russians non-humans. that is, it is not just a barbarian. these are not people. these are monsters. these are freaks, this is everything that contradicts at all the very understanding. what is a person? and this is extremely dangerous, because it is generally more humane. on the example of us, russia is such a big discourse. here is the general national. i mean the total global, and the person. and this is something incomprehensible. you know, there is one interesting book, barely written by the embassy city , if it’s fiction, if you read it, everything is written there, what the western elites are doing, what they are leading us to, and just there one of uh, such moments is a person. he's not a man getting raised children of others

fathers, there and so on. there are a lot of interesting things, but returning to us in our reality. uh, we have 2 minutes left , literally even one and a half. what are you doing to us in these conditions? what to do, well i work in my field. like the scientist in your teacher. i work, so i'll tell you what we need to take. we need to keep working. we need to hold conferences to rent our own scientific journals our own conference, for example, the topic that is hanging in the air is decolonization hmm knowledge work. that there is decolonization. now colonization. it means. this is not necessarily colonization, which we know from history, but critical thinkers are capture. yes, this is the colonization of thinking - this is when you cannot imagine an alternative, when you think, yes, there is another way. no, there is no other way only in astralization. there is no other way to destroy. there is no other way there. this is called colonization of thought. here we must fight with good educational programs

, good conferences, good magazines with their books. well, in english it came out in russian, so it is called in russian translation. well, this is the direction in which this intellectual matrix needs to be worked. well, in some ways it’s even easy to create, because we have it. well, in many things. no, i'm not talking about serious sciences, nuclear, physics, mathematics, and so on. here we are great. but everything that works with meanings. here is a big failure, therefore, well, i see, it says there is no ideology in the constitution, we are a society without an ideological one, if you if you don't have your own ideology, you will have another ideology. this is how man is arranged and his nature is different. so far, no one has changed. although, it is difficult with humanism here much shines. yes , soon. well, this is a separate topic for conversation, and yet. uh, here, uh, you said that we are lagging behind here. and you have some idea of ​​your own, and so that we can offer or it's still a little thought. i don’t like the word lagged behind, because

lagging behind is right here, yes, the key word that shows what is, but the road traffic on the road. here we are necessarily either ahead or behind. we don't have a chance to be ahead because we are playing other people's games. here, here, i agree with you. and that is , we lag behind the wrong word. we are not far behind. we didn't do it. and by the way, if we talk about this, we often hear that postmodernists are such crazy people. no, they studied western society. they analyzed it. they came up with some very interesting ideas. we need it too know we need to understand it, we can't say this is crazy, so we will not teach, that is, a lot needs to be taken and used in our interests. well, to develop their own naturally, that is, they did not lag behind. we simply do not do this, because indeed we also have this, uh, a colony in the mind. we are behind. we have to catch up with the smell, cut a window to europe, and so on run. e behind them. they create meanings for us, and then they say,

maybe it's bad to carry them out by some unfinished europeans. that's why you're here in the wild. here you live in the jungle, and we have our own something that's because everything communism western ideology. we take it that way. and we don’t give birth to our own, but the fact is that it is impossible to give birth only in the process of discussion. well, they sat and gave birth. no, it is always communication, this is the same matrix that should seethe with different meanings. and if we discuss this, then we will definitely give birth to something, if we do not do this, if we do not do anything in order to give birth, then we were not born. yes, and olga anatolyevna is talking with you very interestingly, but we have all the time ended in our broadcast time. i wish you creative success and translation of your book into russian, because the idea with which you came out impresses me very much. and i think we really need to reflect. we need to think. why the country that was to us, uh, dear, close

, friendly, suddenly turned into some kind of strange formation, and so on. well, i won't. i now raise this topic. thank you very much for coming to our studio. let me remind you, we talked with the author of the book. uh, war and peace populist discourse in ukraine olga further misha rosa cellophane i sold kombucha and i was natasha pupyrochka , the director of the former sweet life , it doesn’t matter to whom you transfer or pay , it’s important that without commission and restrictions, i was the first in russia to cancel the commission for all transfers and payments. order a free debit alpha card, alpha bank is the best mobile bank, in the beginning there was a word, and today there are pictures of

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