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on the air of the fifth studio, i am anton podkovenko, we are discussing one of the most relevant international ones now, the results of the nato summit in vilnius, the new packages of western military assistance to kiev for also those security guarantees, as they call it from the big seven for e ukraine and e, prospects, well, more precisely , the lack of prospects, uh, membership of kiev in the north atlantic alliance, this photo of zelensky with a meeting in vilnius , it has already become a meme on social networks, like he stands behind the backs of the participants and the washington post writes that the members of the american delegation. now they were furious simply because of zelensky's criticism of the alliance , because ukraine itself in nato , apparently, does not take all these questions. we, uh, will discuss with grigory karasin the chairman

of the federation council on international affairs committee of the federation council on international affairs. now grigory borisovich is in touch with the fifth studio. greetings. anton good afternoon. good afternoon. tell me, please, why did e take an indefinite position in on the issue of kiev's membership in the north atlantic manias, the nato bloc in your opinion, and this kind of zelensky says a lot. well, i would start by saying that nato summits have never been forums of peacefulness or peacemaking. it is always the summit of the military-political bloc of the cold war. we know well. uh, the manners of this block and, uh, vilnius, uh, slipped a little, uh, irritation, excessive impudence. e gentleman from zelensky, his team, who tried for the nato bloc, e, predetermine the outcome

of this site. it didn't work out, of course. because there are e cynical, but not stupid people, and they understand that they do not need a direct confrontation with russia. uh, we need to help in all ways and weapons and money and so on regimes. uh, it means zelensky let him howl. keep fighting, you'll see. here, in fact, the bottom line is the results of the discussion of the ukrainian topic at the nato summit , i want to emphasize once again that even zelensky’s impudence has become excessive perseverance. e, means to set teeth on edge with a number of political leaders of nato countries it sounded from london sounded from other capitals, uh too. eh, how this comrade in quotation marks would feel proud.

eh, which means that now they no longer just ask, but demand and express a feeling of dissatisfaction when they are denied something, but, and the failure of e, the famous counter-offensive he e in a cold shower e, spilled over the heads of the participants from themselves and, probably, all those who make decisions in this area and have shown that not everything is so simple. light, in the end we are talking about a great great power and and manipulate the concepts of counteroffensive and so on. it's more expensive than yourself. well, anyway. e, grigory borisovich here, nevertheless. yes, some security guarantee is given. yes , zelensky was promised a strange seven, in particular, there is a supply of military equipment about this. we'll talk more about cybersecurity intelligence sharing. here, uh, what do you think? do you think, yes, it turns out that the west is preparing ukraine for a protracted conflict. i think it was a consoling

gesture on the part of the same uh, western countries of the so-called collective west e. i would even call this document, which is of the nature of i don't know the statement of the g8, guarantees of ukraine's security, uh, a kind of philological document. e values, you need to read it for a long time to understand what is available but e all measures to support ukraine they are already being provided. they started, it turns out, uh, worldwide, when numerous packages of sanctions were announced , they were announced and proved that they work, when massive deliveries of modern weapons to ukraine began and launched an information machine that does not literally fall, uh, common sense drops of common sense on tv channels in the telegram channels of western states, so

this is probably those measures of worldwide support, oh, which, uh, as they said there in the air on the ground and in the water, it means that this statement has such a figurative language, but it means that this consolation is real, what do you say? we, dear zelensky, are with you. we will continue to support you, but you are fighting yourself. until the last ukrainian, and we'll see. eh, that's just the same, returning to what you we talked about zelensky's impertinence , uh, you can't help but remember, it seems to me that the british minister of defense is here. wallace said that he we are not amazon. yes, constantly supply weapons, and that's how much, in your opinion, zelensky crossed the line. is it possible to say that relations between nato and kiev are somehow aggravated or not, because arms supplies continue. naturally , yes, and uh, france france scalps will supply missiles long-range leopards will supply new ones in germany, that is, they are all still continue to do so. well, zelensky

actually. tired of the west has long been simply zelensky's help to complete their own strategic problems in the fight against. e russian power in the fight against our position. e in economics. eh, culture in sports , even therefore, there is nothing new here, but uh , irritation appears, because the snarling has begun. and what you e referred to will. this meant that the british rarely give vent. e to his emotions, and in this case he could not stand even an experienced politician and tried put in place means the leader of the kiev junta, and he is not alone in private conversations. i am convinced. they say everything is much tougher stuff without any. uh, u-turns, so to speak, and without any such polite epithets, because the fate of the current ukrainian leadership is to organize

an armed struggle against russia, and only this is its mission. it seems to me that this mission e is rather hopeless and it is understood now and back west of here. there are no promises, no plan. uh, it means ukraine's membership in nato and it will not exist. i am absolutely in i am convinced of this, but a predictor let's not see how events will develop, in the meantime. it is necessary, of course, to see what is happening on the battlefield, because uh, so far uh, the results of the ukrainian counter-offensive. uh, frighteningly weak and practically uh, our troops are in full possession of uh in the situation on the line of contact, continuing the topic of supplying western weapons to ukraine uh. i would like to discuss with you the topic of cluster munitions. yes, the united states has decided to supply this ammunition to this container, which expands in the air and they hit the squares with smaller

ammunition, the weapon poses an extreme danger to the civilian population. and such historical ammunition was used by the states in yugoslavia in the persian gulf, and during the war in indochina it was more than more than a year ago cambodia laos vietnam and there are still demining some of these unexploded shells. and so, in particular , cambodian prime minister hunsen wrote that the use of cluster munitions in ukraine is a disaster for civilians, and yet washington, kiev, uh, are ready for this go comment, please, for several generations of people in southeast asia , uh, people who decided to attack yugoslavia, ah. mm, remember, this is a terrible weapon, it is no coincidence that in 2008 the corresponding international convention on the ban of e-cluster munitions was signed, and the members

of this convention who signed and ratified are more than countries, but there is one detail, not the united states of america, not russia, not ukraine, this convention is not signed. and i would in this case, uh, of course, uh, understanding the recklessness of the decision united states to supply an irresponsible group of people in kiev with a cluster munition. i would be guided by the statement of the minister of defense of russia sergei shoigu, who said that we also have , uh, cassettes the most supplies, and they are more effective than the american ones, but we do not use them because we are afraid for the lives of civilians, and this one position is our defining position. let's not guess what will happen next, but this position should be taken into account by our enemies, er, not only in kiev, but in its washington and other western capitals. and i’ll add that kiev gave

washington a written guarantee. you have seen this news. naturally. i am sure that the high cluster ammunition received will not be used. for targets on russian territory. this statement by the assistant to the president of the united states, we are safe , salivan said that we know very well the reality of the price of such rodari-assurances from kiev. uh, current leaders and believe them. it’s just impossible, because these people can commit the most serious crimes, insidious attacks, therefore, one must be very careful with this. careful about it. probably we council would be the washington administrator. thank you. thank you very much. thanks anton thanks grigory borisovich for such detailed answers with us. the chairman of the federation council committee on international affairs was in touch. grigory carasen. and now we, uh, move on to the front line situation. in particular, in the krasnaya limansky direction, the other day

it was reported that ours went on a counter-attack and about what the situation is at the moment, we will talk with sergey fomchenkov, call sign fomich, commander of the volunteer movement. the russian legion is now in touch with us, sergey aleksandrovich, i welcome you. hello, please tell us about the operational situation. how does the armed forces of ukraine operate, how do we act? we that oppose what progress? in the muslim direction , the offensive of our troops continues. e is higher practically, as equal to the settlement of torsk. and this is like a direct road to the red estuary. and, accordingly, he is trying with all his might to bring down our offensive counterattacks. all counterattacks were successfully repulsed. uh, court

brought losses, retreated, we continue to advance, and all the way is fixed on the western part of the chervyansk forestry, trying not to let us go further to the kliman and trying to pull up reserves until our offensive was suspended, but nevertheless high, it really pulls up a lot . technicians are removing manpower from other directions in order to strengthen this direction in order to stop our offensive. uh, sergey alexandrovich , there has been a lot of talk lately about the tactics of meat navigators, the so-called uh, well, in the truest sense, when people are trying, as they say, to overwhelm our positions. here, uh, how more equipment happens in your direction or more assault groups of opponents that are continuously brought in. this is the carousel. you know, they have so-so action about the same everywhere, they exchange people, but success is trying to mark people for success. that is, they are people completely rather than, respectively, an attack in which fully all advancing infantry becomes 200 or 300 for

the height is quite normal practice. they are so in a way they were trying to fill us up to rob, corpses. uh, so that we could not bear to retreat? yes, you’re rushing a lot, put one train, another squad went, that is, such a tactic of squeezing us into position with the help of cannon fodder there, and with the help of even armored vehicles, many more in these attacks , not only manpower is lost, but also more equipment in including the western one. but this tactic is used by all locals everywhere, and in fact, it is in this direction . and what can be said about the contingent from kiev, more vsu. this is all, directly mercenaries can be western, and there are many mobilized and now on the main, of course, this is fighting with all. at least, on well, at the stake, the mask of vysotsky, there were fewer mercenaries, but basically, yes, these are the citizens of ukraine

who were forcibly mobilized, especially in recent months for the last six months, who , uh, were dragged into the service of the force, their motivation to fight is low and it is clear that those personnel units of the vysovy who began to fight. there are very few people left from that composition and now just those who were caught on the streets, dragged to rush mobilization, and these people. as a matter of fact, they are fighting and fighting under pressure, therefore the quality and so the quality of their actions. it is lower than it could be if trained warriors were motivated. tell us, please, you mentioned the technique. uh, how much armored vehicles really go. how big is the western part and what kind of armored equipment, if bradley is for a leopard, yes, then what, uh, they talk about quite a lot and foreign-made howitzers. very much infantry fighting vehicles armored personnel carriers of imported

production, there are a large number of them, but they are more easily knocked out. actually with the help of our artillery tours. they are more susceptible to the effects of army means of destroying armored vehicles; they try to hide imported tanks after, uh, the very first of them came under fire from our troops and were put out of action. uh, the ukrainian side is trying to make their remnants smaller and noticeably smaller. here in the last 2 weeks. uh, well, artillery. she was imported a year ago. she kicks out, she becomes smaller and visible even by the way the same three axes, and the howitzer yes, the so-called sevens of them, they just didn’t let them live in peace there, six months ago. yes, but now there are fewer of them and already the impact of the rotten artist is noticeable, at least in this direction. married

criminal it is less. well, tell me, please, but in the context of our current actions, counter-battery combat. she is how relevant now continues to be as relevant as it was. well, it is always relevant, and because artillery is still the main means of destruction on the battlefield and can not be said that the artillery is the god of war, so the opponent's counteraction to you, but everywhere is always relevant. and if we have counter-battery combat, then we can successfully both attack and defend. and if someone loses a battery fight to the enemy, then our actions will be very difficult, so this is, as it were, the basis of modern combat. hey, how do you rate? here , uh, we succeed, so to speak, to work out on the enemy’s gun positions. yes, it turns out, of course, they mastered our unmanned troops. now there are a lot of drones, both military and civilian, interactions

between artist reconnaissance drones and the gun commanders themselves, who should bring defeat. in terms of targets, it has long been established and worked out, so here, of course, we have learned to work and our artillery is working well. and please tell me, yes. indeed, drones are an extremely, important thing. uh, how is, let's say, staff training going, are there enough, uh, drone operators? yes, this is an important person for the front line, we know. yes important, well you also need to understand that not everyone, of course, can be, uh, an operator of unmanned aerial vehicles, you need to have certain inclinations for this , there is training, both the troops and various humanitarian organizations organize their own school of unmanned aircraft, where they train operators and forward dronov, therefore, here, in this regard, it has, of course, become easier now, because, but something has already been developed

, many people of the past training teach others and now the situation is that we, if at the beginning of ours we were losing a lot to ukrainian side by number with devices the number of operators of people who have to use them. that is now the situation. well, at least it straightened out. she had separate plots, something we even won. and what about attack drones. uh, they talk a lot about our lancets, which successfully operate against western armored vehicles and a lot of videos are enough, that's what's here. what is the situation in your direction? well, in my opinion, unmanned, shock drones. they play a big role, including in the counter-battery fight and in the hunt for enemy armored vehicles, because a specific target is selected here, the operator sees this target and even sees the results of his actual work, and you can immediately assess how effective it is, and here are the videos you

mentioned. they just help to objectively evaluate. uh, success, uh, drone strikes are the results of their work, and anyone can look at it and see if it really works. and this is very important, because without the bad ones it is much cheaper compared to the destroyed armor, and any war resources. well a final question about the combat morale in our counteroffensive units. kiev is clearly not going according to plan, despite what their propaganda says, battles go on every day, and we are unequivocally that about the mood of the troops. well, fortunately we don't, like last year, there were defeats of s e s surrounded by retreats. and this, of course , motivates people, and the direction of the sweet criminal. we even step here at all spirit. the spirit of the people is high, but one must understand that, of course, the battles are harder, the fighters of the exhausted battles go every day a little well, not 2 hours a day for exactly 15 hours a day

- these are continuous battles. especially the areas where the enemy is trying to counterattack, and therefore people withstand all these loads and understand that, of course, that russia has nowhere behind them. she needs to win. we owe thanks. thank you very much sergey aleksandrovich is with us. sergei fomchenkov, call sign fomich, was in touch. commander of the volunteer movement. the russian legion talked about the operational situation in the krasno-limansky direction, where our forces continue to hold on, heavy battles are going on, but morale is high. it was the fifth studio. see you soon. a remedy for various types of pain pentalgin acts against pain. wherever it is independent of the causes of its occurrence, pentalgin will do without pain when dad has a bee, the family has more internet and

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