preparations for a big war in europe, will we discuss this with the ambassador of the russian federation to the kingdom of belgium alexander tokovinin alexander avrilovich? hello. good afternoon. ah, what do you think, now, even if we start our conversation from the end? e, it seems , as a result, this is preparation for war, and a large one in europe a or is still too early to talk about this. i think that we can confidently say that the results of this nato vinuse itself testify to the long- term consolidation of the strategic course towards military opposition to russia in our country. that is, essentially. return to that, or something, this union e, was created in 1949. uh, and for what it existed, then for many decades the confrontation with russia, uh, and for the preparation of the armed forces

for this, for the first time after the last thirty years, collective defense plans for the northern central and southern regions of europe are being updated for this, a long-term policy is being implemented somewhere implementation of the european economies. actually, the whole policy of this block. why is it anyway they reacted rather coolly to zelensky in the sense that they did not really promise him anything. this is a game for the public, this picture that we want to see for ourselves. so, some of my colleagues also think, or is it some kind of reality, which, uh, suggests that the sero-atlantic alliance well, here they are, specifically calmly using ukraine, we also talk a lot about this about our goals, because when zelensky said that let's him in nato, they say, it doesn't

matter. the main thing is that you have a weapon here uh, you think about it, right? why is nato behaving like this with ukraine now? well, i think in this matter it is necessary to understand that initially setting the topic of ukraine's accession to nato had nothing to do with the security of ukraine , or with the security of europe, or with global security, as in principle, and the whole process nato expansions that have taken place over the past three decades, and here we are talking about another extension of the geopolitical control and dominance of the united states of america against its european allies. this is what we are talking about, and therefore the course of drawing ukraine into nato was actually confirmed in principle, and specifically its design parameters. i think the owners of the ukrainian regime, who are in complete

control of it, decide here. some statements or even zelensky's tantrums mean very little here. alexander ilyich, but nevertheless, new batches of weapons that will be supplied and we understand that, and this will not end there , that is, the doctrine that you spoke about, and there are some many hundreds, not thousands of pages. yes, it's published. my understanding is that the information, uh, suggests that this retraction may be pushed to the extreme. that is, as i understand it, we need to prepare for an escalation in this matter. that is, that's all, more or more powerful weapons will be supplied, that is, america will not stop. thousands of pages of which were mentioned are of a closed nature, they are not published, and at the same time it is obvious that the line of escalation of the conflict by the united states and its nato allies is unambiguously continuing.

this line is fixed in the decisions themselves, when already the supply of weapons, which are becoming more and more destructive and long-range and thus the alliance is undoubtedly teetering on an extremely dangerous edge, a military clash with russia is sliding towards it nonetheless. uh, the american handlers of the alliance and the ukrainian regime, who are naturally used as such a strike force in these efforts. they continue to rely on inflating confrontation and continue to juggle the slogan of the military defeat of russia, despite the fact that all allied people, all serious military analysts understand the unattainability of this slogan. well, nevertheless. well, i'm not stupid people. what are they

doing it for? that's it, and faith in such a victory for ukraine-it's sorry, not diplomatically, probably, the expression is noodles on the ears. she's so obvious. why is it not seen in the same ukraine and so on, or the motivation is simply nowhere to go. well, here, if we take a speech, say biden 2 days ago in the same vilnius , there was a clearly formulated attitude to the conflict as to such a significant degree of existential problem for the west, that is, uh, they are aimed in order to still achieve some form of victory that would allow ukraine to be consolidated in the west-controlled geopolitical space, which i spoke about and not allow any other options and all, in general, the absurdity of such a thesis

with all that it undermines both the long-term economic interests of the european countries and the fundamental interests of their peoples, nevertheless. unfortunately, this is the most dangerous adventurous policy at the moment. it continues and is consolidated in the decisions that are made at the nato level. but it’s clear what you said, yes, this multi-page and thousandth document, all of it will never be published, but those open documents, and where both russia and china are openly called the main enemies, uh, there are, uh, and a lot is mentioned namely china and the south, in general such southeast asia in general the pacific region. and how a is a new center of influence for us, but we understand that where the north atlantic is and where the pacific ocean is, it's a little bit different, and places on the earth, as you know, although americans with geography it was always bad. and we know this for sure, but

not so much, and hence the question. eh, here. eh, what do you think, this is the expansion of e to the east, e, it will, but now it is developing very actively. why is this being asked, because the experience of the west's war on two fronts. he historically shows that this does not lead to good, and he means, will, now , nato structures actively advance, and southeast asia a and so on in order to create tension there, without resolving the issue in europe on ukraine how you think? it did not lead to anything good, the matter has never historically and the policy of trying to build european security against russia has always ended badly for the european continent. but today the bet is on trying to build

the kind of global paradigm that uh american strategies are trying to shape into an ideological confrontation between uh so-called democracies and autocracies. and in this context, the americans are trying yes to pull up all their european allies, and to their efforts, the train to contain not only russia, but also china, and in nato strategic documents it is written that security in the region, as they call the identity region, is inextricably linked with security, and in the euro-atlantic and on under this sauce, at the first stage, they follow the path of strengthening relations with their closest partners and american allies from this region , representatives in japan, south korea, australia

, new zealand, uh, were present in vilnius, and are trying, uh, to force the european countries to follow that policy. uh, the confrontation with china, which is increasingly unwinding in washington, despite the fact that many in europe seem to be dissatisfied with this, but nevertheless, no matter how much they continue to slide in this direction, and nato meetings are undoubtedly one of the mechanisms that contribute to this . aleksandrovich, but there is one more problem that was discussed at the summit and it seems that how everything was resolved, but also in the meantime, in general terms, we are talking about security guarantees, which, uh, the countries of the seven are ready first of all give e to ukraine, but again, there should be negotiations over the wattle fence. uh, bilateral and so on, isn't there in this form, uh, a way to legitimize, and

bilateral relations, uh? well, for example, with poland, ukraine, in order for the poles to have some well, how will they consider legal grounds to lead their troops. well , and so on, there is the surah of romania, uh , is there a danger for us here that this process with bilateral e-communications, but it seems that this is not nato , right? it seems that the two countries are agreeing, but nevertheless. that's how you what do you think we can expect in this direction? will the real question? next will there be real agreements between ukraine and nato members, or even just members of the seven , but some serious ones ? well , what else do you need to do a piece of paper to write that they are in nato well, the question is what can we expect in this direction from bilateral ones. as for the declaration of the group of families adopted in vilnius,

it refers to the continuation of deliveries weapons and economic assistance to ukraine, even in the event of the end of the armed conflict in ukraine, we are talking about the fact that such a support from the leading western states will continue to this. this document, open to it, was joined, in principle, by the european union . a number of eu members are already joining. indeed, this is such a declarative framework statement, and it should be specified through a bilateral agreement. i do not think that we are talking about the direction of the troops. in any case, on at this stage, nothing was said on this topic, we are talking about the long-term supply of weapons and economic assistance

to the kiev regime, uh, that is, this is another element of consolidating the strategic course of the confrontation with russia well, what really, let's wait and see how events develop here , but in general it is already clear and the nato summit is clear that this is a place where a decision is voiced, which , of course, is made not in vilnius and not in brussels, even somewhere else, but nevertheless, this is an official meeting, official documents , and we focus on them alexandra andreevich to you great. thank you for taking the time for us, we will be following developments closely. let me remind you that we talked with the ambassador of the russian federation to the kingdom of belgium, alexander tokovin. in continuation of the military theme, the us recently announced that they , uh, have destroyed all of their chemical weapons. now it turns out that ai on earth, it seems, is gone, does this mean that the chemical threat is a thing of the past, we

will talk about this with the permanent representative of russia at the fragmentation of russia in the kingdom of the netherlands by alexander shulgin alexander vasilyevich welcomes you thank you for taking the time. and here's how to understand it on the one hand, it seems that the weapons were destroyed, but the gathering sits for 3 days. what then are we talking about? such a naive question. so so so so so. well, we don't have sound now. we, our colleagues, will fix this, uh, and we will. yes, we will. and we will continue to talk, but

for now it is clear that this is a topic that, in fact, is of extreme concern to everyone. this is the use of weapons of mass destruction there are now e problems and e about nuclear weapons. we have already talked about this and in fact this topic. we will continue a little later . the west plunged into a crisis with the purchase of weapons because of assistance to ukraine, the agency writes about this. the bloomberg edition notes that even the most powerful country of the us alliance is forced to purchase conventional artillery ammunition. to the republic of korea well, in order to supply them to kiev however, in washington they refused the proposals of some us senators to weaken assistance to the independent ekaterina will tell in more detail shamayeva ukraine's requests for help are reminiscent of aggressive demands and moral blackmail, so following the british minister of defense, who wished to hear words of gratitude from kiev

, the hungarian prime minister commented on the peculiar style of communication of officials from the independent, while viktor orban also noted in the west the no less militant rhetoric of kokora, if the americans want peace will come tomorrow morning. and why do the americans not want this question, which the whole world is thinking about, because ukraine has actually lost sovereignty, it has no money for the military industry. there is no capacity for military production. they receive money, mainly from the united states, military funds, also from the americans and the west, with the fact that it is washington that plays the decisive role in the continuation of the conflict. according to the kremlin , it is the united states that constantly pushes ukraine to actually fight until the last ukrainian, therefore, in many ways , it is what they are, the desire of the states to peacefully resolve the conflict, the position also says american legislators, the house of representatives blocked amendments to the defense budget, which limited

military assistance to kiev and prohibited the transfer of cluster munitions, even an item that required explanation was rejected. what is the white house's strategy towards ukraine i again remind you that ukraine is neither the 51st us state and nato ally i also want to note to congress that the department of defense year after year cannot audit only last year. they failed to account for 61% of assets. important understand, americans work every day not to pay other states, but the white house has other priorities. is dragging our great country into a world war . the american people didn't vote for it. i believe congress needs to come to its senses

to stop this madness in this country. we have police fire teachers, who are wondering if the pension fund will be enough to cover their living expenses for the service they rendered to the us but for ukraine this is not a problem because us taxpayers generously pay all the pensions to every ukrainian official. but europe has decided to more carefully read the money allocated to kiev and the european commission. starting next year , the conditions for providing financial assistance to ukraine will be tightened, almost 2/3 of the funds will not be provided free of charge. and in the form of loans. in addition, they will be accrued only in exchange for holding forms ekaterina shamaeva evgenia zemtsova to lead. and we have a connection, we continue the conversation with the permanent representative of russia at the departure of russia in the kingdom of the netherlands alexander alexander vasilyevich and the meeting, uh, what were we talking about? what do you think? why was

it necessary to convene this event? good evening, i am glad to take part in your program the other day, the entire session ended with the half-council of hall, it took place in an atmosphere of confrontation , the americans with their allies continued politicized the organization is set on discussing issues that have nothing to do with the technical mandate of the brain over and over again they put on a political show here in gaga loudly, wears bright yellow ties, dark blue shirts put up signs with spells in solidarity with the kiev regime acts frantically. in a word , everything happened the way it has in recent months.

is it that the americans of their follower stopped running out of the hall in a crowd, when we approached the microphone, when we they gave a microphone, you see, they were indignant when we said unpleasant things to them. they are accustomed to being appeased by all of them, to please washington. and they say only those things that caress their ears, but now they, apparently, have moved themselves and are sitting listening to us. like i said? the americans and their allies inflicted the main blow on russia, they spoke for long hours in a tedious monotonous manner, reading out their speeches drawn up as if they were carbon copies from a piece of paper, accusing us of all mortal sins, allegedly. we run a gager, a disinformation company. we are trying to attribute to the ukrainians

carrying out chemical e, and provocations. e, in. while the ukrainians, it's flawless. uh, the participants of the chemical convention stirred up. uh, the old already half-forgotten cases of navalny's skripals along with the attacks on russia , the knives of the american did not lower the knives on the syrians. uh, stigmatization, uh, the syrian government for what they say it hides, and the arsenals of chemical weapons poison. actually the people. uh, on the ground. here are the falsified reports of the special mission of ashu, as well as the investigation and identification team. naturally, we will continue to respond to all these attacks, and the syrians did the same with a very strong, hard rebuff. by the way, we supported

the syrians, in fairness, i’ll say that only hmm euro atlantic allies and a couple of their allies from west took part in the attacks on russia. japan first it is also australia other countries from africa from latin america e. considered to concentrate on issues that are really of interest to the organization. namely, how to make it so that the combinational mechanisms work on full capacity, providing the participating state with the possibility of a full unimpeded exchange of chemicals, and equipment with scientific and technical knowledge, for the development of chemistry, er, and for those purposes that are not prohibited by the chemical convention. and here there are just a lot of problems due to

the illegal sanctions of the united americans and their allies, and cooperation in the field is suffering. although peaceful chemistry. generally. you know, the weariness of a large number of countries from the third world is felt. tired with the way americans do snoring here. they impose e on africans with asians, the need to choose in islam or with them and there is a request. e to return oskol to his work on the basis of the concept in accordance with its technical purpose. and alexandrovich, this is what i want to ask, but still, uh, chemical weapons, they have been destroyed on the planet. and if so, how quickly can it be restored with a great

desire for advice from the americans that on july 7 they completed the liquidation of their chemical arsenal russia , as you know, uh, did something else, uh, in 2017 , formally, there was no chemical left in the world weapons. now. the main task is to prevent. uh, the resurgence of chemical weapons and to ensure that the verification inspections that will be carried out in this environment of violence are very carefully scrupulous. the other side of the coin is the need to seek further universalization of the chemical convention, it is necessary to ensure that the provisions of the chemical convention are actively implemented, er, in the national legislation of the member states, not everyone has done it yet

, some people are behind this schedule. in field the question of the fight against chemical terrorism should also be on the agenda. this is a very topical topic, particularly in light of one of the reports of a special investigation team set up at the un to investigate further activities. these are roughly the questions that the chemical convention has to deal with now. let's see how we progress along this path. as i understand it, this is uskov's task at this stage. yes if, as it were, former stocks, old stocks, they are destroyed. well, let's assume that they are destroyed, otherwise, firstly, they can be reborn, new. secondly, chemists. there laboratories can come up with. these are substances so that terrorists, bad people, use them, and so on. that is, as i understand it, this is the essence of e, now oskol will be correct.

chemical weapons that have been declared have been destroyed, but there are still old or abandoned chemical weapons , for example, work is still underway to treat and neutralize chemical munitions left by the japanese in china, this is a very important topic, and uh, i already talked about relevance of the fight against chemical terrorism. uh, there is, uh, given that terrorists , including those from isis, they get access to technology and can very easily reproduce such chemicals and use them in the future, and in terrorist attacks that is why we go to hearing e debates. uh, in the course of the half council. uh, stressed the importance of this topic , the chemical convention is not enough to actively solve this problem, we churkul

the importance of the joint russian -chinese initiative to conclude a convention to combat acts of biological and chemical terrorism well, let's hope that the international community would really work out for its own preservation, because chemical biological weapons are a terrible thing and and if there were international control mechanisms and, accordingly, uh, preventing development all these technologies are not in the right direction. that would be great. well, good luck with your work and it is clear that , unfortunately, there will only be more of it in the near future. thank you very much. i let me remind you that we talked with alexander shulgin, permanent representative of russia on russia's superiority in the kingdom of the netherlands. well, i am alexander kievsky on this i say goodbye to you, and in a few minutes the broadcast of our channel will continue the program vesti

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