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hello this is the church and we are on the russia 24 channel on weekends we talk with representatives of the russian orthodox church about the main news that has happened these days in russia and in the world. today my guest is deputy chairman of the synodal department for relations between the church and society and the media vakhtangi pshidze, vakhtan, vladimirovich hello, that's what i wanted would start. how is vladimirovich kiev negotiating with the archbishop of constantinople and bartholomew, and broadcasts about the involvement of the patriarchate of constantinople in the export of christian values ​​from ukraine, allegedly under threat of destruction from russian bombing. moreover, this is reported by the director of the russian foreign intelligence service sergey naryshkin. ah, well, of course not, there are reasons not to trust the foreign intelligence service, but what do you know about this. perhaps it is taking it out, in fact, it is known

that any meeting of the leaders of the ukrainian state by the snopolsky patriarch. unfortunately, it leads to even greater suffering for the ukrainian people. we always remember that back in 2018, upon request. poroshenko fanar. legalized by raskolnikov since then , the division in the ukrainian religious space has worsened, there have been seizures of churches , there have been persecutions, and believers have all this worsened. e, led to the fact that many people lost the opportunity to pray in their temples. now hmm, the new head of the ukrainian state. zelensky again met with bartholomew and nothing good about ukrainian believers cannot expect this from this meeting, except for raskolnikov, of course, and i will not be surprised that the lantern, which, in general, has always tried. in my opinion , to take advantage of any situations in his

favor, spitting on by and large on ordinary believers, that he can do it this time too. we still remember the situation in the twenties of the last century, when the lantern actually hmm tried to flirt with the atheists. in the sense of receiving some material wealth. lantern, blessed raskolnikov of that time. uh, the new church, the so-called alive the churchmen who destroyed our russian church. and now he is doing the same after almost 100 years, that is, in every possible way to help the schismatics and they think that they will not stop before profiting from the saints and at the expense of the ukrainian people, at the expense of the ukrainian believers, they are even called a shrine, which are abroad. a. well, here is to bring these men andrew the first-called and panteleimon from a-a and rumors continue to be exaggerated in the media and on the internet. that the ground is being prepared for

the transfer of the kiev-pechersk lavra to constantinople, that all these searches are recent uh, the arrival of the security forces, they are not accidental, this information is confirmed in your church circles. in fact. you are absolutely right. uh, we have no doubt that the patriarch of bartholomew can steal any relics that fall into his hands. unfortunately, in recent years we have encountered the most undisguised perfidy on the part of the patriarch of kistopol. we hmm know that purely for political reasons. having corrected all possible canons, he legalized, raskolnikov whom hmm had repeatedly publicly recognized as such schismatics. it actually led to a complete loss of confidence in this christian leader. and of course, if now

under his name, so to speak, e will be taken out under cover, including the relics of andrei pervozvan and other relics that are mentioned in the message of the foreign intelligence service. this will not surprise anyone, so we can only pray that the lord does not leave the ukrainian believers, that he will protect them from this kind of bullying. and, of course, there is also some hope that the publication of these materials in public space. would still stop someone from implementing those specific rules. what do you think, what will be the reaction of believers if this transmission? but the plus will take place there at all no one asks. as you know, just this week, some time ago , there were attempts to seal the buildings of the lavra and not let believers in, and, uh, there were peaceful attempts to resist this without the law through

the fence. there, everyone saw these shots. well , or shots of violent detentions and saw all this, but the ukrainian authorities. i use this carte blanche. they simply terrorize believers and so that believers don’t think, if they reached some agreements there , i mean, bartholomew and zelensky, they will implement them, even with him they will have to terrorize the people of ukraine and here’s another piece of news they know if it’s already being discussed it is customary in ukraine that hmm is a state holiday day off. and christmas on january 7 will be moved to december 25. on the day when catholics celebrate their christmas, but hmm , it is clear that ukraine, which has already postponed victory day from may 9 to may 8, on the day when it europe celebrates but still, this is a secular holiday, and then a religious holiday, does this mean that the liturgy services, christmas ones, will also be postponed. uh, from u january

to december. what does the canonical church say about this, how does it look at it and how do the faithful ukrainians treat it. eh, is it so easy to rebuild in the minds of peoples when to celebrate christmas and by this the ukrainian authorities quite definitely make it clear to the believers of the ukrainian orthodox church, which celebrates hmm the day of christmas according to the julian calendar, that is, the seventh january that they do not exist in the right field, that no ukrainian state among. i understand that the authorities are not interested. when these people have one of the greatest christian holidays, and that's why they decided to designate christmas as a public holiday, then when it's convenient, er, for themselves and probably those who advise them in the west, they were told that you know, we do n't care we are destroying the ukrainian orthodox

church and it is somehow strange if christmas according to their calendar remains in ours in our respective state calendar holiday, so they took it and literally moved it there in a single part. uh, christmas is december 25th. of course, i am convinced that the ukrainians, whose believers are the majority in m-m in ukraine, they will celebrate their christmas when their grandfathers, great-grandfathers celebrated it, namely on january 7th. well, it's going to be a public holiday on that day, then, uh, it won't stop anyone. they perfectly understand that something is doing such a violent thing to the believers. so it is necessary to resist this in every possible way, and i think that among ukrainians there are many who exactly, that's what it will do. let's talk about our internal affairs on july 12, between the holy trinity lavra, the sergius lavra and the state tretyakov gallery , an agreement was signed on the transfer

of use, and the icons were tripled written by andrei rublev , the patriarch and minister of culture olga beloved was present at the signing. a hmm tell us how you managed to achieve. here is this, as it were, a peaceful resolution of the conflict around the transfer of the shrine. you know, i think this is a long overdue decision. we also know that it was agreed upon at the very high level and, of course, we may have been a little bogged down in recent years. here in this let's say inertia is the understanding that great saints cannot be exposed to any danger if they are transferred in the possession of the church in the possession of believers. e, in my opinion, it very clearly shows that for a greater time of its existence, namely, for several hundred years, the icon of the holy trinity was still

kept by the church and the church itself. it has been preserved all these centuries so that we can now repay this icon worship, necessary for this honor of the shrine, then there was the soviet era. and uh, it began to seem to someone that this was the time when the shrines were, as it were, hidden from believers. they were told to be in temples only in some museum showcases and so on. it seems that it should continue, but we, as believers, are still convinced that this is not so , we believe that, for all the value of shrines such as the trinity of andrei rublev, the church , together with the state, together with the ministry of culture, other specialized structures , experts . still can provide the necessary preservation of the icon, wherever it is. and when it was temporarily transferred and was in the cathedral of christ the savior and when

it will be transferred to the second sergius lavra everywhere. i think the church and uh, ministry of the tretyakov gallery. will take all necessary measures to ensure that the icons are not harmed, but you know hmm we should in my opinion. eh, to distinguish between a living spiritual heritage, that is, and horsemen, to whom people pray and pay homage to them, as i said, and a dead heritage. here we see everything, in museums, i don’t know the tombs of the pharaohs, mummies, and all sorts of other ancient artifacts. they are also very valuable and significant for culture, but no one worships them dead. so i am convinced that we should not allow the orthodox shrines , which are used by believers from the outside, are deeply revered, which they pray, so that they turn into dead museum heritage , in my opinion, this is a completely wrong approach and

very good, that now there are churches and the state and relevant departments. this situation is changing for the better these days the state duma in the third reading adopted a law on the prohibition of sex. and let me remind you that over the past half a year , a number of laws were adopted regarding the strengthening of traditional family values, aimed at this total forbidden propaganda. not only among minors, but among the entire audience, and this is a law that prohibits horned motherhood in the interests of foreigners, including gamers, and now a ban on sex change. ah, why, as it were, in russia, where for a long time no laws were adopted in this regard, suddenly as if from a cornucopia, they fell right

now. i think it's related. well , first of all, with the fact that the idea of ​​traditional values ​​is the concept of traditional values, it began to enter our, uh, politics legal circulation. and it is very important that we come to the realization that traditional values ​​are some kind of non-feminine category. and what should determine our life. uh, it took us not a single decade, that one, now historical circumstances have developed in such a way that you no longer have to look back at some experts. i don't know the foreign political leaders who point us in. how do we live and what is the value. and what value is not we define it last. in places, and how we define it in a completely justified way is reflected in our legislation. eh, really. you're right

, a law was passed that prohibited her from propaganda and gender reassignment and a law that, uh, respectively hmm, prohibits the export of children abroad. for the sake of adoption, born by russian surrogate mothers. all this our hmm our policy that is implemented here. she really is. e connects words and big words at the expense of traditional values ​​with deeds, that is, legislative measures aimed at upholding these traditional values. here many people ask what is traditional values. well, who is there, maybe knows their complete list, which is relevant. uh, documents, including the presidential katya . come on. let's say very simply the most understandable and generally applicable, traditional value is the understanding of the family as a union men and women this is actually really a spiritual basis for the existence of the current of our society, but

in general all european, and maybe even world civilization. now the concept of the family is completely destroyed, this is done primarily in western countries. and you know that paul turns into such a moving thing. today, you consider yourself a man. tomorrow , a woman every other day, again men, and so on, and children from school age have been talking about this now, and in some western countries they are exposed, index 13 proves to them, what they should think about. and who are they really boys or girls? but if they are there, they think that they are girls, for example , being biological boys, then they can immediately be prescribed hormones so that they drink these hormones, their sexual competition will stop and by the age of eighteen, they would already be. uh, completely barren by and large, so to speak, deprived of the possibility of childbearing subjects. i don't even know if it's possible. well, how would one consider

, uh, relating, well, how would an experiment of this kind be permissible in relation to children's people. in in this case , by and large, they are turned from people into some kind of i don’t know, into biomass, if it starts, uh, to force it or so obsessively offer a sex change, i don’t know, almost a disk of kindergarten age. that is why traditional values ​​and, above all, family, motherhood, childhood, fidelity, all this, but really the essence of our e-civilization, which we must protect, including the forces of law , and it is good that now this is being done without any regard for anyone else. and how would you like vladimir our program, we responded, for example. hmm, like ksenia sobchak and other people, but critical of the adoption of this law. she wrote, for example, that his shameful repressive contempt for the decaying europe of quotes and

terrible liberal values ​​rolls us back into medieval asiaticism. you know, i think that the editor of this channel needs to study the history of europe better and i don't know the current news agenda. we know, firstly, that in 1920 hungary also adopted a law prohibiting sex change, and this did not make hungary any less of a european side. i'll even say more. it has become more of a european country, because this whole shameful story of transgender human experimentation is all, uh, a denial of our european heritage as well. e of the christian heritage, first of all, even elon musk, who , as you know, is not a non-doer, who writes sobchak to non-doers. i don't know among. even he said that those doctors and parents who are involved in sex reassignment of underage children should receive a life sentence. so i think that this

may be unexpected, but evidence of the need to protect european values. i think that by banning sex change here in russia we are defending our christian civilization which, of course, has to do with european heritage and many people in the west really understand this. everyone has long been tired of these experiments. this is the imposition of gender reassignment of widespread bullying, on children who are offered all this. and i think that this law will cause great sympathy among the morally healthy people back and well, now to the questions of time for healthy people in the west and hmm one of the most prosperous countries of europe sweden ah , the news, to be honest, the wild police of this country gave the green light to the action with the burning of the jewish and christian bibles in front of the israeli embassy, ​​how would you comment on this? yes, i didn’t comment on tanyuhu, but it’s clear in what way , what you say, it’s just to remind

the audience that before that, uh, they burned the koran in this country. they're just trying to show. i don’t really know to whom and why, that they can burn anything, including the korans of the bible to the torah, everything. here's what they don't like or someone just wanted to do it, they can burn it in such a way that it is not image, but the damage to the image that was caused by the burning of the koran. as i understand it, let's burn everyone then. well, yes, i think that this is madness, that is, a place to somehow react to the reaction of people who are really, at least hmm shocked, i am offended by such. i'm talking about the muslims, which is exactly how they reacted to the burning of the koran they were looking for. well, you see, we are not against muslims. we can burn religious shrines, any any religions. this is crazy , really. e madness. i

consider political madness morality historical madness whatever i think that the state, which is building its existence on such things, is in denial. and by the way, again this has nothing to do with european prices european court of justice. human rights has repeatedly defended the feeling of believers, but the madness of political madness, but it turns out that the right is stronger, that is, the right. it never came from the fact that the feelings of some category of people. in this case, believing muslims , jews, christians can be ignored. but what we see now is wrong. this is what i'm saying, madness is a well-known phrase that loves to adopt. europeans are very fond of, especially the french. my freedom is ending. where the freedom of another person begins. i think that this expression has already ceased to operate, at least

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