half a trillion rubles has never really happened. but, of course, it's not about the numbers, this was noted separately by valentina matvienko when closing the spring session. the main thing is that these laws work for the benefit of the people of our society in our country this year, the federation council has shown and proved for 30 years that it can work in any conditions, of course, this work will be continued in september roman thank you our correspondent was on the direct line of the federation council natalya solovyova, like russia, these are new centers of power; the current summit in st. petersburg has in that among the applied nature , a variety of russian technological products are presented at the forum , the official representative of the russian foreign ministry maria zakharova maria vladimirovna said in an interview with our channel that she is glad to welcome you. we

are now on our site on the russia 24 tv channel. for the second day we have been observing the negotiations that are being conducted here in st. petersburg. the russia africa forum is very promising, and there are a lot of guests compared, for example, with the st. petersburg economic forum, it seemed to me that in two times even more. and everyone here is somehow thinking, uh, about how we can talk about a shift here in geopolitical terms, or about the prospects of this shift , i know about the number of guests, after all. i think that, of course, he economically overtook the st. petersburg forms, but he overtook him, but you have to ask the roscongress to give you such an impression, because they changed the architecture itself. yes, exposure. and the central corridor was blocked into several zones. i think because of this, but you are absolutely right a huge amount guests. who are these people. this is the chief of states. and you are the government representatives of the leadership from african

countries. ah, but almost 50 of them arrived. i mean, just weird. there are also country associations, and ministers. yes, it is, of course, a representative of civil society. this is not a government organization and so on. this is a business that is widely represented here by the clerks and the media, that is, but the widest are represented, but i want to draw attention to that in my opinion. this one of the most non-standard summits, which in general, in principle, i have seen in my lifetime, but i saw how you understand her a lot, what is usually yourself, and as a rule, these are flags. a handshake picture collective then. a welcoming speech during the beginning of the meetings then, and the end in the form of a press conference and the distribution of some statement of the minutes, there is also a cultural program in the margins. and there is some point visit. well, maybe some

objects are in my opinion, such, i would even said and innovative itself, and i believe that this is how they should be a scientific and practical conference. you know, there is such a concept, not just a conference, but scientific and, on the other hand, applied practical. this is such a real applied summit, when e is not, although from the negotiation spaces. you can immediately visit the exhibition grounds. right there , touch everything with your hands, sit at the helm, because literally literally 100 meters from you and me , helicopters are exposed, and our technicians are machines that we are ready to offer to africa and to quality of purchases. i as a rental operation and so on. and by the way , joint construction projects are exhibited here. opportunities, not on a smaller scale, that is, this is a unique

experience of hosting a summit. i don’t remember that there are, for example, international exhibitions or international conferences, where you also host summits, but they kind of fit in, but here it turns out on its own, but with such fantastic applied practical possibilities. but if we talk, just a shift in this paradigm geopolitical we all know very well, and you talked about it the day before, that many african countries were under pressure. just because they expressed a desire to go to this forum and you are at the beginning in the first question of the problem. they asked such a topic regarding the shift, in principle, what is happening at all, why do we need this? why does africa need it? many people ask, listen, well, why do we seem to be at a distance from each other, but fly far, and so to speak, we did not intersect civilizationally until the 20th century. so global. yes at

we are not. ah, big diasport. why why do we need it? why is it necessary, if you need to overcome these distances and uh in various, but rather areas, yes, and not only logistical transport, but the problem is that the world is changing the world from one center of power that has not taken place. yes, the bipolar system has ended, but the unipolar one has not come, all attempts to plant it have failed. i mean, she didn't even come. it cannot end, because it has not come, the world is moving to a polycentric multipolar one. i think maybe there will be more some special definition of this system has been developed, but other foundations will form the world and, of course, africa, like russia, is the new centers and forces in this world that is coming to us. this does not mean new ones, because there were no such centers before, of course they were, but in the new world they will be special centers of attraction

for a number of reasons, this is the resource potential and economic opportunities - this is the level. and the development of sovereignty, that is , decision-making in the interests of the national state and peoples, is very important here very important. of course, we will not even mention such topical things as military technical and potential capabilities, science, technology, and so on. this goes without saying, of course, but very important. this is the very civilizational resources that our civilization russia africa this is not just a country and not just a continental formation. this is the civilization that our civilization can give to the world. and we can give a lot, because the philosophy of the future is not defined, and i think that a behind such centers as we are africa and china is the future formation of this new idea of

​​the renewed world order coming to us. this morning i moderated a session with the department of energy, which brought together representatives of many african countries, and there was a certain stereotype here that african countries would come to us for one purpose. give us money. give us technology and surprisingly, probably, many have found out for themselves that, but they came and speak frankly about it. we understand very well that you have your own national interests. we have their national interests. let's take care of each other's interests. this is a dialogue in which they were refused by many, just like us, i took part now in panel discussions, where africans said that they themselves do not recognize themselves in the eyes or in foreign media reports that for many decades the western mainstream has shaped them out of them. , a continent of only problems a continent without

a future continent. and as you rightly say, creating some kind of discomfort for everyone, uh, uncomfortable conditions, because all the time he asks for something, needs something, but on in fact, because no one wants to look deep into all the problems that africa has in general, either created or provoked by the former metropolitans, ahead of their uh, colonization and leaving this region, when the process of decolonization began. they made all of these problems even worse by leaving, uh, the continent. in fact, the richest countries in terms of resource base. and the potential of the people who went through the struggle for independence, that is, they are people who are strong in spirit and have perseverance in defending their goals, creating and wanting to bring a new level development for their countries. and, of course, everything. it can't. suit the west. they will talk more about problems and create more

problems. and again, if we take a lot of what africa is experiencing, including food security , there is a problem, but it is getting worse, again at the expense of the west, and this is the year of implementation, or rather, not the implementation of the grain deal in the stated form. this proved it all started as a humanitarian action to supply grain to those in need for a whole year, the needy received only 3%, and 97, and villages, mainly in western countries, but in the pockets of those western companies that are in ukraine, here you are, and those in need sincerely believed that they would be helped now, and only again thanks to russia’s applied concrete efforts and what the president of our country spoke about yesterday that we are ready to supply all this, including for

humanitarian purposes, including paying for transportation costs. the continent has the ability to overcome. again, a crisis situation provoked with the west, but you are absolutely right that colloquially we build not on the basis, but on the metropolia of the elder brother, so to speak , the leader and those who are colonies , semi-colonies, lagging behind, and so on. this is a conversation on the basis of equality of interests, because this is the only guarantee of full-fledged relationships full-fledged relationships that we want and they are mutually beneficial they are beneficial they are beneficial to us they are beneficial to them, because our concept. here we are again yesterday at the editors-in-chief of african countries, and we considered various examples. let's now i'm going to take afghanistan in retrospect just to bring it to a concrete texture.

uh, look how they went there, what they left behind, and the increase in drug trafficking, the increase in the production of narcotic drugs, and terrorism is not controlled, and all kinds of criminal activities from here, which are the result or vice versa of fueling or drug trafficking and terrorism. how did the soviet union leave afghanistan, that we put central heating in schools, hospitals, and buildings factories factories energy definitely. africa says the same thing, all the representatives of african countries say it. they say when the council was. and the union - it was mutually beneficial and it built industrial facilities that raised the level of development of african countries, make them profitable partners. what does the west do by destroying and making it dependent on pumping out what is needed, thereby creating problems not only for african countries, but for the entire

planet, because then these problems have to be solved together classical picture many had such fears agree. why, uh, basically without a dialogue will be built about our glorious joint future, uh, russia in the soviet union and the african countries of the past. forgive the past, of course. well, of course. and of course, it's nice for the future. naturally, therefore, everyone is talking about the fears that, apart from the past, we have nothing to discuss, in fact, everything is aimed at the future, because we are not american either. we look realistically at what is happening now and have the opportunity to freely analyze what is taking place now global processes in the west but this really has become some kind of phenomenon western world.

now the anglo-saxons have colonized themselves, they have placed the countries of the european union under complete dependence, and those very countries , like france, spain, portugal, and the netherlands, which had colonies, were metropolitans for several centuries. today, they themselves have become colonies, but of the anglo-saxon world, because they do not have the ability to make independent decisions . and completely subordinated, and to the political financial economic will of their the metropolises in the form of washington and london, and the african state, against this background , are increasing their own sovereignty. they show for a year and a half. of course, fantastic capital has been built up, but from the point of view of the political voice, they will give up the right to make decisions themselves , analyze the situation themselves and implement their own will. it is amazing. how did some morphoses occur? those are you. remember the americans. there is even such a political science concept as the freedom gene they

believe that they are as a nation, the americans have the gene of freedom, and therefore they have the moral right, ah, such an export of democracy, but it turns out that those who have the freedom gene are, as they say , completely paralyzed, not freedom. and those who have been denied this freedom for many centuries, like the african continent, having finally gained this freedom through decolonization, which the soviet union helped her , they are not ready to part with this freedom for anything, an amazing amazing phenomenon, but now we are moving, a all the talk here is only about the future, everything is always. eh, so to speak the past is always mentioned, we hear words of gratitude from africans. and a lot has been said about it here. ah, we also honor those people whom we consider heroes, these are the heroes of the african liberation movements. these are our heroes, who

sacrificed their lives for the sake of freedom and the continent to protect it, and so on. and we do it all. we remember all this, whose and so on, but all the talk today, and in the future , these are specific projects. this is an investment. this is a joint building. these are different spheres from international politics, then tourism. here everything was shown last time. it was in 2019 in sochi, in my opinion, yes, it passed. e. forum. russia africa 4 years have passed. a. it seems to me that 4 years for such an intense dialogue that we see here. too long period of some kind, is it not worth holding them more often in your opinion, i remind you that it was for, uh, 4 years. true, they are not full 4 years. and the first 2 years were pandemics. twentieth year. it was the year of the pandemic, when the whole world generally froze in anticipation. and what will happen, because no one has ever

worried about what happened, and then the year of sanctions began, the illegal procession of us sanctions around the world. and when , again, after the world, it seems, began to revive after the pandemic and restore economic ties and restore logistics to restore the intensity, and production and economic growth rates. all of a sudden it was set up again. she was on a pause due to the fact that washington was just walking like a skating rink through all the existing connections, wanting to prove that they are now showing russia, and even more so, they will not only punish, but also destroy, therefore, we must not forget that these were a 3 1/2 years. and it was a very difficult time. and despite this, we have revived our interaction, and you, probably, have increased the interaction. there are specific indicators, but about how often to hold

such events. i think that , as needed, as a specific accumulation these are crucial essential issues that need to be addressed at the highest level, but at the same time, communication at the level of interdepartmental business, and i don’t know university communication. it should be simple every day, constantly without a break, because there is a colossal potential for our mutually beneficial interaction in some e- sessions that take place here , this problem of communication really arises. yes, what do you need? communicate more often at different levels in order to solve certain problems, because, well, really multi-level cooperation is now building up. i asked, in fact , i heard about holding it more often, because i myself witnessed that this year it is no longer at all the first forum that brings together russian and african representatives in various fields of energy. and uh, high tech and the humanities. regardless of

where in st. petersburg in khanty-mansiysk or in sochi it was held. well, the question that is being asked, among other things, by representatives of african countries, comes down, among other things, to strengthening africa's presence in international organizations. to what extent russia can contribute to this for many years , it was precisely through our voice that africa had the opportunity to put aside its positions and specific issues and globally, for example, on the problems of their own is not up to representation. what does this mean the voiceless number of strange continents all these continents which unites a-a 50 countries. well, naturally, we are talking now in general, yes, and plus regional organizations, but they are very well represented well, how to say, well, it is not represented at all, if i can say only on a rotational basis, according to quotas and to a lesser extent than that same european union

european union, count half as much. and now i'm talking about the territory and the number of countries, and the security council is also represented on a rotational basis in the form of non-permanent members. e is the same group as africa, and plus, uh, the permanent members of the security council are, uh, countries, countries that until recently. two of them were in the european union, but they are all united by the nato umbrella, and given that the european union itself is now dissolving, but in the nato structure, we can say that there is a dominance of nato ideology in the security council, there is another very an important point, and we talked about this a lot yesterday with the african representatives. see when. on the security council in particular, or, by the way, in the general assembly, african countries vote, even those that are within the framework of e-group associations, like the african rural and so

on, they vote individually. why do they each have their own foreign policy and you see how the countries of the african continent can vote either similar or diametrically opposite on different issues. what about the european union or nato, you see an identical vote, that is, in practice , a collective decision is being developed, which is then, but simply distributed among the eu member countries. or it is necessary as a mandatory form for voting. that is, they cannot have a retreat to the left or right. you know , such real party discipline, that means, but only in the party - this is understandable. why? because it's unity, right? and here every sovereign country in general. must speak with your voice since they have permanent seats seats in the security council and also on a rotational basis, but we need to pose the questions differently, if

the security council is an association of individually countries with their sovereign policy, then this question should be posed point-blank, in my opinion, and why and there are more of them quantitatively and why is it necessary to raise the question only of equalization, for example, the representation of africa to the level of western countries, when africa votes individually for the country, and, uh, the representatives of the nato bloc have such discipline in voting with a single position, a position is obtained. we have one and simply more hands are physically raised to serve this position; african countries have their own position on various issues, and they are developing it. individually, they can unite, or they can give out their opinion. you see, this is also very subtle and complex. uh, a question that will also need to be addressed, because we are always talking about

the word underrepresentation of africa, we, as you understand, uh, are talking about the fact that there should be as many of them as we allow the rest. well, at least for it to be fair, but the level of this justice. the scale of this injustice in itself is not very fair, because if the nato bloc develops an opinion, and the only one of its own that it imposes on its member processes for all nato members, this is all washington and london simply inform de facto, and putting a terrible fait accompli, then they cannot be considered individually present not in the security council. not permanently e members, as individual countries. they are all representatives of the same nato ideology that is, in the end, the addition of african countries to international politics will mean its improvement in the international system of the international is going through a crisis. so

it is changing, what we talked about at the beginning, it is from this, from this attempt to build the world along grozny with the eyes of one big brother. well, as orwell a wrote about this in his famous novel. a-a moves to a completely different order of polycentric multipolarity. uh, understanding that there will be many of these regional centers, they will naturally form and not just geographically. here many believe that it will be just a repetition of geography. come on, here is one continent, one center of power, another continent , another center, nothing like that. these will be centers of power within the continent. it will be geo-referenced. this will include the virtualization of these, and so to speak, a cent. forces in the form of creating integration intercontinental associations, because it will be profitable that is strange. it will be a very complex one, if i can say a 3d 3d model, and lining up these here and

centers of power centers of influence centers, uh, attraction and factors that will be necessary for the emergence of these new centers, but there will be a lot of it will not only be a factor, as we already said , military-political or there, geo- strategic, the number of warheads there or the pace growth. but no, no, no, this will be very important to understand as well. but the very contribution to the global, and civilizational development that this or that center of power can provide, vladimir vladimirovich , our conversation is over, i really want a good one. in general, they only talked about good things with you, of course, i mean, very good. yes, we have now answered your questions. why? the west tried to disrupt the holding of this summit, as he wrote that yes, gnashing of teeth to

the cheekbones, clenching their fists bloody, and our western partners are not partners, but because they did everything to disrupt all this , uh, crap a lot of gatel, but sticks in wheels were installed, but globally nothing turned out wrong and will and nothing will work in some, i don’t remember, there is an american or british edition, which they tried first catch something. yes, they actually counted on their heads who flew in, then it turned out that the article did not work out. remember the same, and these same western journalists who took some kind of screenshots from behind news releases and russian television and said that there was no one at the st. petersburg international economic forms, because the corridors were empty. well, you remember, when the olympics was we knew that if you watch american channels, they are only good ones. smart correct moral and moral, and all the rest worthless. as they say, god is their judge here it says. you don't have to watch american television. after dinner, do not spoil

your appetite for digestion, vladimir now the fact is that the russians have a surge of interest in african countries in general and in the american continent. what does this lead to? obviously people want to go there. you have already stated that it is necessary to open more diplomatic missions in african countries , we are working on this opening. you just didn't call. do not name because it is a question about the negotiation process, we will do this as soon as an agreement is reached, but this is an obvious need, obvious in the near future with us. we are not only looking at, but already calculating, yes, the increase in the interests of investors and ordinary people in such a wonderful continent as africa. the view of e american and even the united states, we no longer exist. remember, they said that our economy is torn to shreds that russia is a regional power. well , that's it, we're done, it's literally just a little bit of pressure left. yes, and from us

communication will remain, you see, and we are building up our presence in all spheres, not inside us, but abroad we are coming to us. yes, we see an absolutely clear blockade by the european union, but they blocked themselves, they did it to themselves. they are worse now. well, let's just say they are now running around, and in the corners and they think, through whom they would try to talk to us. they isolated themselves from us , you understand to what insanity? and this western liberal dictatorial ideology has reached, if you look at american channels about what they say about africa yes, that is , here, too, one gets the impression that nothing happens here, except for murders, except for robberies, er, and so on. i mean, i kinda understand. how that machine works maria vladimirovna thank you very much for coming to us. e maria zakharova is the official representative of the ministry of foreign affairs in the bogostetham of our studio. thank you

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