you see, that's all. and when vasil raises the topic of migrants, and you know what i thought, here he is shedding tears, yes, about the fact that so many ukrainians left the country. and what will happen next? and here i am recalling sociological surveys. zhenya won't let me lie even before the war before the war. well, about 40% of the population of ukraine under the age of 50 or under 40 wanted to leave this country forever

with a detonator, you know? it is to work with with create and so on. but those people who wanted to leave, but they did not have such an opportunity, whether financial or there. uh, well, there were some legal obstacles. they only benefited from this, you know, they only benefit from this, those who have never loved this country, and he absolutely does not give a damn about it. and basically. again, these are people who lived closer to europe, of course, representatives of the western regions. i don't think they are now. well, let's just say

he realized his dream. yes, leaving for europe does not regret anything, on the contrary, such conditions have been created there that they did not have before this war. i'm just leading to whom war? you know, to whom the mother is related, some of them took advantage of this situation and, uh, self-fulfilled, because they considered it necessary for themselves, yes, while others actually live in this country s and uh, they bear everything, so to speak, u hardships and uh, deprivation now about eh? regarding the motherland, you know, i recently had a conversation with one of my friends. he said how he cut it. so you say, what do they have of their own? yes, it seems to me that not only the country was stolen from us. they also stole the symbol of this country from us, you understand? he says you you understand, he says, when i looked, he says, the shots when they remove the coat of arms of the soviet union and hang a trident there. yes.

he says, do you know what was the first thought that came to my mind or what? well, you know , it's the same as going to steal into someone else's car and kill the numbers. here, oh, they didn’t create anything of their own. they didn't go, they didn't create. the car was not bought, the car was not stolen. so they stole it, took it off and killed it. yes, that's it, they are bigger. and what do they have? and what else can they offer people when a person has no, absolutely, a person comes to power, he has no idea, you know, we started from this. here ukraine started with this. this is the political elite. she did not understand at all what she wanted, but they talked a little about independence, and sovereignty and so on, but real people who came to real power. they didn’t understand what to do first from this side. it was kravchuk, he didn’t understand . it fell on his head. why is he there telling how he fought for the cowardly hare, in fact. he just got into this situation. yes, it was in right time in the right place, no more no

less, which is why he lost this election. the second one came. kuchma took the podium at all. listen. you tell me what needs to be built in this country. i built, do you think you can build a country, you can create a country, you can strengthen it there, i don’t know. uh, a state of sovereign independence. if people who come to the first echelons don’t understand at all why they need this side, i don’t understand, and then we say, well, how about it right there. and now what now so zelensky came with what idea , the only idea that he had exactly, which the ukrainian people pecked at , was it the idea of ​​peace? so they did not demand anything from him, neither social, guarantees, nor an increase, scholarships, pensions, and so on. but no one paid any attention at all. it was all gone by the wayside. here along the way those problems that arose the only question. it was a question of war and peace, and he came to power on this issue, but he did everything exactly the opposite, and the worst thing in this situation you can't fix anything, you know,

you can't fix anything. they have already missed three opportunities and already, at least, nothing can be negotiated with this political elite. just not because it is impossible to agree. you can just reach an agreement three times, when you are talking, and they are frankly deceiving you, it makes no sense to sit down at the negotiating table. i don't see what will happen next, it's hard to say, but the situation. i think it will be extremely negative for ukraine. well, at least in comparison. with the possibilities that he had until today. yes, but for me, uh, it remains only to add what pavlovich spoke to the front about, indeed, the sociology that we still remember, the fifteenth year, indeed , 58% of citizens under the age of 40 under certain conditions were ready to leave the country. these were very serious expectations, and this figure has somewhat decreased already in 1917.

we want to say that the problem is demographic. after all, they really began long before the war, there was such a shepira's future prediction book. i just tried to say it before the war. this was really shown, then the problem of ukrainian demography is about it. we talked a lot, we did a lot of sociology back then in ukraine, when you could talk to people, and it was people of different beliefs who understood that this was really a big problem, because guess south africa and ukraine it was called back in the early 2000s, how strangely enough, south africa is not understood. why is uganda bulgaria yes somehow strange with the greatest depopulation here, well, estonia there is a separate cinema there is small, that is, these are countries that had a large human. yes, there is a population, yes, if in estonia as three times, kiev, you understand, excuse the population of three kievs. well , in the sense in estonia, the population of kiev can be increased three times, let's say so or everything in the baltic states on the cheeks and the region. here, but not

in numbers, each country has the right to its own results, but i will say the following, that today you understand, the question of demography really becomes even here in ukrainian politics, the current conditions are coniferous they understand that if there is a peaceful scenario, this one will suddenly simulate the situation. you understand that catastrophic consequences from the exodus of people. we are up to the end of the general in fact, he raised, if this is a very deep problem, discussing it here now, relatively speaking, the red white loss of population is irreversible. that is , those who not only died in the war, but only those who left without a return, this we , this inertia has not stopped yet, the reverse movement has not stopped. and when they say that there figures slip that 200-300,000 people will return there. this task will not be solved from the word at all. while the opposite trend is observed. if the mobilization goes on further, new opportunities will be created for the exodus of people from the country, because it will be announced as a general mobilization, including women. i want to tell you that this is what

the poles are using today. i'm on almost every broadcast, when i visit you, i'm talking about the polish version. here is how the poles look at ukraine how they will use human potential, but the question for them is e with ukrainians with ukrainians. seems like a strategy to me. they already have a topic at all costs so that they say they will continue to involve their orbit here with that part of the ukrainian population that will be them. who are ukrainians for them, ukrainians for them. these are the ones that are the most. well, as it were, if the legal of those who have a pole's card is that which is more equal brother, then look, here's an interesting story. you raised the issue. it's actually very deep. theme one time. here i am, well, work a lot with poles back in the early zero years, the poles. i was told the following, he says, we measured. and so, so that zhenya do not be offended, but we have the most negative attitude - it was about 2000 on polish issues. e attitude towards the serbs. you understand the ninety- ninth yugoslavia gypsies and ukrainians.

that is, they had such a scale with whom you wanted, so as not to go into details , the ukrainians were secretly treated very unfriendly. now the situation has changed. uh, poles generally support ukrainians. there is no need to invent anything here there are ukrainians ukrainians and ukraine understand? yes? now i will expand, yes, everything else, but you read and equal yourself or not. now i can tell you, historically, all the time, you still think that the ukrainian we all the time they had for us. they were ours, you know, that's how it is in conversations. you understand, they respect the soviet past more, this is a topic indeed, but in general, if the ukrainians are from the east of ukraine, this is long before the war. we had more even relations than with people, uh, who were considered western ukraine there there is a mental dissimilarity is very serious. there is indeed what is called the polish homer. that's how they often say, but on the other hand, a huge number of people live normally with the poles. i choose every word very clearly, because they are

different poles and ukrainians. i don't ask. well, you're a sociologist. you evaluate the trend, the trend is always obvious, and when evaluating, evaluating and say that despite the fact that there were many people who were guilty, when three countries appeared, ukrainians. let's go further so that they, of course, the poles walk in different corridors. they certainly have different opportunities in power in business. well, of course, ukrainians are different. yes, a ukrainian in russia and a ukrainian in poland feels differently or the same good question is very ambiguous. i think it's different. i want to tell you that the ukrainians began to feel themselves. uh, better in poland than at 17-18, when a large number of ukrainians came from russia, now a ukrainian in russia feels at least some kind of pressure , disrespect, neglect. somewhere you gave birth in the rights where you offended him. uh, there is a ukrainian who came to poland. well, one

ukrainian, he decided to go to poland, another went to russia, they will have the same one, they will not look the same here, both in russia and ukraine, and ukrainians feel the same absolutely more. i say ukrainians in russia feel good, what you asked. this is a question. do not confuse tourism with emigration. they feel differently, there are people who feel good, they live among people who are very uncomfortable, because this is what we are talking about. yes, from the side poland certainly has a relationship with ukraine . on the part of russia, there is something for a person that is important for him , self-realization is important. so i just don’t understand, here you come to poland, the polish language, you don’t know, yes, yes, yes, ukrainians appearing on polish television have become stars. i think that there are few at all, but in fact there were 150,000 ukrainians during the years of independence, let's go. you have something to come to ukraine no, this is not a reason. really can not

realize will not. i just speak calmly. yes, this is not a reason. i'm just comparing. well, that's what a ukrainian woman says from dumb people. here listen gave. got money and dumped. went. there was at least one public case like this in russia at least once, someone knows instantly they will receive an article for inciting discord. in poland you have tribunes chanting tribunes chanting, what

should be done with the ukrainians? where do they need to go do you want a definitive answer? yes, but he is only truthful, there is no other before the war, a million 900,000 ukrainians lived in 38 million poland, this is an argument that they lived there with their families and are quite serious relationship. how many african slaves lived in united man? sorry, they worked for you there, and not that there were equal rights. i say again, equal rights, no life. they have a very clear understanding there, you do not want to hear the truth, it is the truth, not this, that they quarrel with the last friends. true, there are still a large number of people along salyutnaya. they settled down normally there, despite the fact that they are equal

in law, anywhere. what we say from there are laws, laws, simple fields, when they come, let's say, to france, he himself feels like an eu citizen yes, he has no problems. no, ukrainians came to poland, he is there, who is a ukrainian who came to russia, he has the same rights as a russian has the same no problems at all. no, the truth is that ukrainians, uh, different ukrainians, some went to poland and others are completely different. let's go to russia, here's what's the truth in ukraine in russia they live in you mixed up at football matches shouting something about ukrainians in russia that you provoke a little, because the ukrainian elite is definitely not realized in ukraine i ask me to start my own. this is ukrainian, these are outside the gate. i opened the door to answer. let's send a tribune yelling in russia at least a word against ukraine in poland yelling, right? my one honestly said, of course i'm sorry. it's just that just recently, a few

weeks ago , a fresh poll from warsaw university was published in the commonwealth, indicating a sharp change in the attitude of poles towards ukrainians. i'm not saying this, it's there, here's the statistics of the concept, it's just there too. yes, 70% are already in favor of ukrainians after the end of the war left poland to stop paying benefits to them a few months ago, such a public opinion did not show any question says that 40% of ukrainians according to this question, they want to stay in poland after the war. not enough. this does not mean that they feel comfortable at home. this suggests that they feel more comfortable in poland than at home. here's the answer. listen. you've touched on a very good topic, but it doesn't require such a linear, what is chanting in the stadiums. this does not mean the policy of the country is the agenda of the poles

and much smarter in many cases than they realized their time. we know her that you and in russia have implemented the 4th lip correctly. sorry four territories. crimea, our likes do not like. so, but they didn’t get a damn thing, until they get it, until we say that everything else is possible , so they like it, our policy doesn’t like 10 million ukrainians live with us, and if 10 million, by the way, i wonder how many of they are at war with a vredak and a target, or here, too. they are used to the fact that now the russians will come and do it all. or maybe, they will take it, feelings will come, they will form a couple of liberation armies and go to hell. it would be nice, by the way, okay, let's chew - we'll see. get automatics. go fight, spiridon palych was there. igor markov was there were other guys at home, what's the problem? just returned from

donetsk so and i propose to the front line not home. well, yes, to take and fight for the motherland to enter, for example, the platov battalion here, there are serious strong boys, they are wonderful headed by shaman lugansk guy, amazing. i only added one phrase . the thing is, uh, probably on the level, sorry. want a happy future for your country your people. fighting for it, i'm afraid for my people and my country for a happy future, which is worthy of honor every day more than one literally phrase. the fact is that in search of the population it really has a negative attitude towards ukrainians. how did you say on this matter? well, that's just the polish political elite, it is interested in ukrainians. how much the economy is and therefore it creates all the conditions for these millions to stay there and create additional value, there, they performed low-skilled cheap work there, and so on, so it's just that there is, well, some kind of such, but the discrepancy

between the position of society there and the position, so to speak. so. here is the leadership of the country. here is the stumbling block. here, counter-clutch business is difficult today , zelensky said in an interview no, well, these are not jokes. there it is for you to eat the melody immediately uttered to him by democracy - this is not so. yes, here. er, respectively. what conclusion can be drawn. uh, why is this one yet he was quite so very modest for any results. yes, because any results are political from the very beginning. uh, based on some situations on the battlefield, yes on the military results, here is no counter effect on clutch in 2 months, respectively, and attract no one but a strange team. the west does not succeed in implementing the so-called formula of the zelensky peace formula. and the further i look, the tendentiously dark situation will only get worse, because the lack of any achievements on the collision line. it doesn't give

green space an opportunity. uh, here's a twist, like a gypsy by the sun. here are these insane plans that are absolutely not realistic. but, and now they are by and large even fantastic. yes, that is, uh, let's put it this way. if there was at least some success there , at least some minimal success, then one could try to stick to one's own line. and so it just turns out the right is so frank. well, the tinsel is so verbal, to be honest, even quite to say, therefore. all and all these forms. i i think it’s possible. i won’t tell you the details now, what the formula of the world is, everyone can read it, i don’t care, that is, in essence. by comparison, here is putin’s formula for peace. this is the only form of peace that the world needs to learn by heart; it was formulated in december 2021. yes, i wanted to raise the topic.

nobody talked about the economy today. here i came across figures that the budget deficit of ukraine has already grown from 10 to 17% this year, 42 billion. only external borrowings, which they sent him to somehow support it almost 50%. that is, as such the economy. no, that is, i compare it here with a patient on an artificial respiration apparatus. i mean, it's like he 's alive. he doesn't want the children to show no activity already, that's about hmm what happens from the point of view of the economic situation in turn. i, although, well , i’m not an economist, but i was surprised when the weekend figures that russia ranks fifth in the world in terms of economic development in terms of purchasing power parity, that is e after there usa india china and japan that is. well, it's very we always climbed one line in a year. it's with him to germany. down and yes,

it's this that shocked me. to be honest, the central bank would not interfere with me either, we would be much higher. here are four brix countries in the top 10 of this rating. that is, all countries are close, that is, what it says, well, the first thing is that the west is no longer an economic kimono in the world. yes, that is, the g7 is already lagging behind the uh countries. brix is ​​the second, that for growth it is necessary not to cooperate with the west but, on the contrary, to resist. these are the countries that we oppose. this is just the right time for europe to turn out to be, russia, yes, that is, if you do not obey, the west somehow enters into it, the conflicts of the opposite side develop, no matter how paradoxical, here is the third, probably, that you really need to search for some of your economic models to achieve directly national interests. uh, that is, uh, if we compare it, well, in contrast to ukraine , ukraine made such a bet on the opposite. that is, she is completely forza moves one at a time. that is, it fulfills all the requirements of the imf recommendations and

, accordingly, its economy is 50%, uh, just listen, what kind of economy are we talking about, well, no, it’s just me well, that’s how it’s quite primitive. how much money is needed to restore the destroyed ukrainian port infrastructure? i don't know how much money is needed to clear the fields or at the same time here, that scary money will not help time. how many people do you need metal, all you need wood you need to carry. you are here when you start, and who will produce it in such quantities that you can’t use it, here’s the money, build the port. no, you have to order it somewhere. where to bring it to do it for this. this is who needs it in the west, this is theoretical. it is interesting that the italians said that

they would restore the mariupol theater. you also say that kharkiv is rich, a businessman, he trained his pt-100-meter self. sell ​​after he ruined the ferret with his car and moved to italy and ride ride in no way can't get on. well, the usual ukrainian oligarchic face is fat, dense he is thin, but glossy and altai tell the world bank what his last name is yaroslavsky yes, his last name is some kind of russian yaroslavsky but every murdered ukrainian brings the budget one hundred and thirty thousand dollars, ah, the world bank has calculated that 400 billion e euros are needed to restore, but i think this is an underestimate figure to restore all all the destruction of the world banks are nerds. i

'll explain, it's just clear. let him say tons metal, and who will be able to produce and deliver it and for what period of time. problematic roman bank, that financiers were recruited there, of course, you won’t eat dollars. food needs food, because it's just a war. this is a way to treat attention. if you stop, then this whole structure will collapse, and this is what you are talking about immediately becomes a question, therefore. why did you say the 24th, no? why didn't you just say, listen , everyone in the donbass hates us. yes fuck we need this donbass we fuck it its clouds of years already we understand that it will never be ours would have left, and all and hundreds of thousands of ukrainians would have been alive, and under a million would still be alive

and not injured. and not enough of this territory would have been ukrainian fields, they would have been sown by the minami economy, most of the issues would not have been destroyed. what treaty he hated was initialed by rakhami, and if he agrees about the firms, why hasn't he shot him yet? so you gave him the good why did you deceive the russian idiots? you in istanbul agreed on everything with the russians, and after that you start screaming that putin has you all the time deceived, cretin, everyone knows that you deceived the russians. well, you didn't have enough talent to host programs on our wonderful channel. but he had enough talent to

destroy ukraine, so, of course, no one will talk to him. and he understands this, he understands that we are doomed, that the west will write him off, of course, about the main nerve that you announced at the beginning of the program, in my opinion. you said that well, since you travel often, how do you feel? something has changed at the front recently, right in the air. yes, here you are you feel it, you know, volodya, i’ll express my subjective point of view when, uh, the counter-offensive operation began , which was announced to ukraine for a long time april march april, may, then put on the brakes, but the fourth is generally considered to have begun this contraception should already have meant, if you remove this whole hmm how do you tell shura what does the ukrainian armed forces do. they went on the offensive. and where they attack and against. who are they attacking?

that's where they go against who they are they want to destroy, and who do they want to free the russian army, but to destroy the people who live today in the russian federation, which i’m not talking about numbers, but the lion’s share, of which they really didn’t want to live in this ukraine, but wanted to live in russia and live in russia what is russia doing now what is it doing? the russian army, for these two months, the russian army is defending itself is defending itself from destruction is defending the territory that is now russian and most importantly, the russian army is protecting the people who live there, the ideology has changed and relationship to the war. you see, russia defends itself, notifies people, and ukraine attacks ukraine wants to kill again, when

one person tried to throw in this topic on ukrainian television, of course, he was immediately closed, because he turned in the wrong direction, he himself was frightened. he is a nationalist himself. well, i just watched this program and realized, wait. wait, so this is what, it turns out that in the world, right? at this, and the meeting of these external security advisers in saudi arabia, the issue was discussed. how stop the production of weapons by the ukrainian army, which were previously mothballed, yes, in which people did not work at these factories now at these factories, people work and shifts. i know this, ukrainian is known by some specialists who share information, and i am from ukrainians. this learned one second. that is, you are just spinning. you are just starting out as an adult. and then something that is called to be drawn into the war. oh well, i say again, i do not understand, that is, and therefore, when i

already said the same, we still even therefore, when in ukraine, many people who get to the front, who are driven. yes, even if the head of the lvov military registration and enlistment office, he says, only 20% go voluntarily 80% we must drive, if madam. it means you are relaxed. if the madam, she says , she says, in relaxed, you have to go all to the front. if the same zelensky says that there are a lot of people here, that is, why is everyone in ukraine squealing and saying, everyone needs to go to the front, because things are very bad at the front itself and the situation is very difficult. not only at the front, but also in the rear, people do not want to fight and accordingly, you are surprised when ukraine , if not prepared with such motivation , gets to the front. he has one goal, as soon as possible to surrender, feed, heat , cure everything on this, see you tomorrow.