[000:00:00;00] when, uh, well, the idea was voiced, the following, that in general the whole place is not easy enough to work with, because china , india, yes, and many other countries, i’ll join us, they, uh, we are all together deprived of the heritage that really in fact, uh, we can attribute it to the west, that is, we were not colonialists. we are countries, most of these countries are multinational , multi-religious. that is, we have something that actually unites. we have common features in order to really translate this cooperation practical plane, but on the other hand , there is no answer to the questions yet. what kind of world? do we want to build this together? okay, we criticize or appeal to what we disagree with in relation to the west, but what do we want to do? and here's the question. we must get an answer to this question not only within our country.

but we must offer uh, to the world that we are forming together eski from china with india with other countries, that the purpose of all this and that’s when i said that we would work together on a manifesto for a common future. you know, this is an amazing reaction. here are our colleagues, they directly, as if they themselves were waiting for this. here, uh, call, because in fact this is a different type of relationship, and it will make all our institutions and politics and economics work in a completely different way , and it seems to me that this is the russian initiative. it just, well, comes to the fore, but i would like to conclude by saying that in general, uh , the most important thing is not discussion, but participation in implementation. well, this is the future, of course, well, here are our russian problems, of course, this is not the subject of today's conversation. i can say that i encourage everyone to discuss economic issues, but to finish, i would only like to say the following, that in general, hmm, what the president and

we are talking about are trying to expand. in fact, i agree that this is not isolation at all. this is simply a designation of what we, as a sovereign state ourselves, can formulate for ourselves, not someone for us. and we ourselves formulate goals ourselves, find ways to solve and achieve these goals at the expense of our own resources. interests. actually, this is where the country’s sovereignty lies and there is no need to, uh, react to these incorrect ones. uh, the characteristics of what we are calling us to isolation. no, we are just calling on another, that by forming from russia a state that will worthily go to different entities. we are creating the preconditions that we will be leaders in this process. i don’t think about this, no one has any doubts, and the name is also alexandra mikhailovich, a beautiful manifesto of the future. yes, a manifesto for a common future. i think many people are attracted to this will join, but you have raised several

issues. a. let's try to find answers from them. and andrey ivanovich denisov may help us with this, because continuing the topic of brix, uh, i would like to mention other structures, both the sco and the countries of the asia-pacific region. global south. we all know such challenges. they probably collide on a daily basis. but how do you think this can be resisted by the global west and uh, what i said alexander mikhailovich, what we, for our part, can offer if here is your answer to this question, because maybe a general answer will still be formed. what kind of valuable offer can russia make? thank you. i thank the organizers and participants for the opportunity to speak. i really appreciate it. i join in the congratulations addressed to the journal international life. uh, as a member of

the magazine's board. congratulations to myself too. so for at least another 100 years, colleagues, i don’t really like the term global south, global south. and not only me, but it, in principle, does not really reflect modern reality better global majority. global majority, this term was proposed by our political scientist selsony karaganov. but by the way, yesterday was his birthday. so we congratulate him in absentia too. and even better. it seems to me that the majority of the world are freaks, jorlite. well , the difference here is semantically small. so we will conditionally assume that this is one and the same thing, as regards multipolarity, or give little thought to the thesis of multipolarity in itself, as a certain goal that moves the unfolded world as outlined by evgeniy maksimovich. primakov in ninety-six almost 30 years ago, this term, as they say, took root, its definitions appeared. they are included in textbooks today , there is a need for some adjustments, because in political

reality we are dealing with the simple obvious fact that countries? not equal. uh, so who can be considered the poles, well, or the centers here, whatever you like, uh, first of all , the capital, the decisions of which are globally significant, so they say, political scientists, the decisions are individual or to one degree or another, if not joint, then coordinated in approaches. eh, agreement, there are different brixes. this is the first time i mention this abbreviation. and there is, uh, a group of families or, say, nato, varying degrees of coordination, and other countries are already reaching out to these poles or centers, by the way, the same sergei aleksandrovich karaganov, whom he mentioned, he wrote in one of his works, that multipolarity, in fact, they say it reflects the realities of the nineties. it was directed against. eh, in the words of another political scientist fyodor lukyanov, against the hegemony of one, in the opinion of a respected vasily aleksandrovich karaganova.

polycentricity is better for the modern day than polarity, but multipolarity is familiar, so again we will assume that these are one and the same thing. and, if there is a lot of polarity, it means that there is also unipolarity, there is also bipolarity , well, there cannot be tripolarity, because this is already a lot of polarity 1 2 and then there is already a lot, and there are some researchers, for example, such a political scientist as dmitrichenko, uh, who introduced the term without polarity, i would uh formulate another term, non-polarity, when denoted uh, inconsistency of global governance mechanisms, some are fading or at least in some sense losing their role and functions, such as the united nations or, even more so, the council of europe, or simply degenerating , such as the osce, while others, on the contrary, are being born and this is primarily brix and the shanghai cooperation organization. uh, i mention what comes right away. well

, non-polarity, generally speaking, is essentially the worst thing of all. this is a war of all against all even unipolarity or monocentricity. come on, here's something different. it would be better if she could avoid the so-called temptation of hegemony, because once it has reigned, this is the very thing, uh, monopolarity. it began to collapse, by which i mean the nineties. end of story , as they say. let's go, uh, the soviet union collapsed. china went through only the first of four decades of its reform process, with the first decade ending with the dramatic events in the square of the shadow of the flax tree, from which china emerged with honor thanks to the wisdom of densiopia the then chinese leader, india in general was then considered the sick man of asia and the current rise of the country called, as they now say, bhad. eh, no one thought about it, suspected or even

predicted it. eh, it seems that the pole has reigned and at the same time, as i said, it immediately began methodically to bring down its own kisses, which it tried to either sell or impose on others. well, the list is known for democracy, well, where is democracy. well, look what is being done in modern america in other countries freedom of a market economy struggle of market forces. the dollar sanctions were just discussed and so on. all this is simply crossed out by freedom of the press. well, what freedom of the press. well, dear madam here, kneil knows this well and can confirm human rights. well, they just changed. you were born and turned into a tool. with all due respect to the very concept and concept of human rights in the hands of westerners. it has become a tool. uh, the struggle of the political struggle. and nothing more, not to mention their interference, respect

for other people’s, uh, political systems, and so on, but at the same time, the west has its own understanding of unipolarity absolutely, absolutely. absolutes and this is what the moment of truth does not see, does not see what is happening. e in the real world. we are said to be right by definition, and therefore the one who opposes. e against our approaches, who is against our approaches here against the world is not against us, but against the world, after all, everything that we affirm and do is the defense of the world order of the very order that is rollsbait based on rules. eh, so i remember the nineties events in yugoslavia uh, when hmm our foreign policy manner. i’m talking about this, the consciousness of the matter was extremely limited at that time, but even in those conditions, we were already seeing the disastrousness of

the policy that was being imposed on us, and began to resist, say, in relation to the same yugoslavia, but at the same time our american partners at that time. they were surprised, they could not understand, but how could this be? after all, we are now. together we are now essentially allies. why are you against what we propose and do, that is, together in their understanding. this means how they line up like this, as they say and traces and further uh, and more and more countries uh, the group of the most influential of them did not agree with this at all, well, by virtue of, as they say, their total power is first four. uh, appeared e for the first time on what is called an advance to sene in 2006 in st. petersburg at the uh, st. petersburg economic forum. i was a member of this forum. i remember. this all happened before my eyes. first, four e, and it turned out that brig, according to the definition of one western political scientist, is a brick, then

the letter s was added at the end of sau sefrika eseffisa and very the successful one fell into place, that is, it came into the plural, and this year another analogy suggests itself: such a hockey five. yes, now we have 11 countries, that is, a full-fledged football team and there are also candidates, these candidates are quite actively knocking on the door. eh, now this association is at the door. and most importantly , colleagues. after all, no one invites anyone. no one is imposing anything on anyone, no one is forcing anyone, so the solution, uh, expansion of the brix composition, to some extent, maybe in a good way, but still forced, because a critical mass had formed, it was already difficult to resist the pressure and, moreover , before they had time to leave south africa , china had already announced that it was in favor of bringing turkey into the ranks of brix. that’s already how they say the twelfth. there are a number of other candidates. at the same time

, the spontaneity of this process is that it is not controlled. eh, it originates from below , it is confirmed that, precisely by its opposite, not everything is smooth. well, for example, one of these most active candidates. until the annexation there was argentina, when president fernandez was there, but the political composition changed. and you know, as they say, i loved you until the party meeting, when the debate opened, my opinion changed. uh, other political forces came and started. well, it’s already here on the other side, just tugging at the coattail from behind. eh, they started advocating that we are against this brix in general. we don't want and so on. eh, but let's see how things develop. maybe this will change your mind, especially since there is an example, when jair came to replace the world in brazil, saru, as president , is an absolute pro-american with a reputation there as a person who prays for the republicans specifically for donald

trump, then there were a lot of predictions , everything, well, this is like the nail in the brix, that in general everything is going to fall apart, nothing like that. quite the contrary, for quite a short time the then president of brazil showed himself to be an active supporter of this unification. and why? yes, because it simply prevailed, the national interest and common sense. this is the basis of the uh, hmm education system. and now brix’s task is to somehow structure it. eh, because now it’s a bit of a shock-absorbing structure, especially after the expansion. naturally, saving it. uh, keeping the name. well, yes, the essence has changed, there are different and different abbreviations. well, look, this analogy suggests itself, once the respected kingdom of heaven, vladimir zhirinovsky, was asked how you would explain to a western audience the name of your party

ldpr because it is neither liberal nor democratic but what zhirinovsky said, it doesn’t matter at all, because the ldpr is a brand and that’s all. so and here the same thing brix has taken root, i completely agree with the opinion expressed at the press conference by sergei than lavrov that the name must be preserved and in no case should it be lost, although it is strange. more yes , and of course, uh, we need to build something, probably systems can be considered. uh, well, what are called different concentric circles, like the shanghai organization and cooperation, there are uh, observers dialogue partners. there are now nine countries. e participants are full members, four observers and, in my opinion, eight partners. e on the dialogue. well, in general, uh, here’s the composition. uh, maybe also, uh, in brix but more important. in my opinion, somehow, uh, a certain stream-lining of course, without any share, to carry out in international organizations international organizations

faces. eh, this is a very unpleasant situation. not only for us in general , for that same main character, like, because more and more team including heights, by the way, it captures him. eh, westerners, therefore, we need to speak out somehow. uh, hmm, come out from a more , so to speak, unified general position, that is, create a front, which i repeat once again, uh, is not based on discipline, as we say about westerners, but it is awareness of one’s national interests based on common sense on logic. if you want survival in the modern world. uh, and an example of the influence that can already be exerted even at this stage. uh, this is a new new uh new group. this is the same brix exactly the same summit of the uh, group of twenty, which was already mentioned here today. indeed,

exactly. uh, thanks to hmm scattered efforts, but directed in one direction, the countries of the leading members of this very brix association helped correct the final documents of this themselves. well, in any more or less acceptable direction it cannot be said that anything like that really suits our interests. there's a lot of what we have in common. would not be ready to agree, but in any case, it is simply strikingly different from what what laid down and what the westerners tried to impose. as a matter of fact, this group remains to be and the entire world community, but what the brix countries objected to first of all, i think that this is such a good good example, they will multiply and i have already gone over it a little. i'm finishing everything, look at the open confrontation. the west and russia reflected. well, in fact

, the incompatibility of the existence of our country with the preservation of western hegemony and at the same time laid a kind of fault line between west and thus, uh, global majority not because its globa members, let’s say, took our side, uh, this is not on our side. and in general, it won’t be that everyone has their own interests, but they simply realized, as you know, today you, and tomorrow i should be put at the forefront. national interests, not loyalty. e cartridges. this is the coming epoch , refusal to submit to hegemony means a transition to multipolarity or polycentricity. he has already spoken about this and maria vladimirovna will be both long and uneven, but there will definitely not be a reversal. eh, to put it bluntly. i’m just finishing up with the language of physics , let me remind you that a kind of bifurcation point has been passed. this, according to the thermorules of thermodynamics of physical science , is a change in the steady state of operation of the system. the whole regime changed, you know, like a river flowed along one channel, and then

everything dissolved and no longer flows back and is formed at the same time. something like a point or points of crystallization, and the first and most important and distinct thing is brix and the results of its activity. thank you very much it was so interesting heating up. thank you very much if possible. here's the first part. your presentation focused on the terminology of multipolarity. indeed , this is very often discussed, but these uh, poles will not. uh confronting each other. now, simply starting from the laws of physics, attracting something, uh, they will be in some kind of opposition. that's it. uh, another school of thought that suggests simply replacing the word, yes, multipolarity with polycentricity. which is probably true, but this is already a question with our terminology. eh, who is this for? whichever you prefer, but in principle,

andrei ivanovich voiced a good alternative regarding the criteria. basically, we i mean, like the ministry of hmm used one of the very interesting paleontological scientific scientific. you just know, although in the word of political science. there is a component, science, logos and so on, but still i don’t want a real scientific platform in the form of, and in what readings for one way or another approbation, these very criteria. i'll remind you because we're the first since we spoke them out, i’ll remind you this year. what criteria for this hmm these, and the poles of the centers, uh, can we talk about. well, first of all, it's ability. and this is probably the key and most important thing, the ability to exercise independent sovereignty. uh, foreign and domestic policy, that is, to implement foreign policy and defend domestic policy. then, indeed, this center, this pole, can count on becoming a forest of regional or global significance; the second criterion,

which we foresee, is security resources of anyone. here it is very important of any kind, uh, that guarantees socio-economic stability and a high level of self-sufficiency of the national economy. this is also one of the criteria. another criterion is availability, eh? significant, well, really in this you know, not just international, but planetary, taking into account the historical course, but the scale of hmm cultural potential of civilizational potential and when values ​​are developed somewhere there, uh for grants yes, uh taking into account uh demand and desirability for today's generation and the technology of their advancement. and when sorry, but the peoples of the community of the state come to them. uh

, through experience, through science again, through approbation of all this, and they have something to pass on to the next generations, they value this historical path of their own and see the traditions or pass them on in the form of experience. and one more criterion, which we also generally foresee, is the ability to project outward. your philosophy of development and vision of international politics, that is, to act as a point of attraction for other countries do not impose but due to a combination of factors they become interesting. eh, arousing interest , attracting attention, that is, giving a natural impulse. i couldn’t help but react in this way to andrei ivanovich’s very interesting speech . thank you very much andrey ivanovich , i think this, but this is already one of the most prepared speakers of the entire forum , angelesev, thank you very much for your speech and

a very beautiful analogy that uh we have already recruited a football team. there's such a queue. i think there's another three by four football teams will have a tournament. coming soon. oh thank you very much. e, alexander gleevich. i remind you that dugin is also in touch with us. i would also like to invite him to the discussion and touch upon, among other things, well, for today the red line. time is coming to touch upon the journal of international life. uh, it was published not so long ago, so friends i recommend to everyone your article in this magazine, where you talk about the fact that the world order is changing at such a speed, that behind this it ’s not just the average person who can judge, it’s even difficult institute that specializes. eh, in international politics it’s already difficult to react to this, in your opinion, aleksandrovich , we all understand perfectly well, everyone already and no one argues about this, that this boat is rocking. and if and i have no doubt that it will swing in our direction at the moment when it swings in our

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control according to the hegemony theorist antonio louder, this is hegemony. as a matter of fact, reflexive control at the beginning you they say. what is the world like? what is a person like? what's the story? what is society like? what are the criteria of civilization, then they move on to a system of rules that can change, but the one who laid the paradigm, the one who installed this operating system, a hygienic operating system, rules everyone here, and rules with friends, and rules with allies and enemies and adversaries, competitors. this is the tearing out of the west by representation and the west instead of the subject who acts through us through our political science economic, which operates through our culture through our society through our political economic and cultural institutions. instead of accepting the west as a subject, that’s why i say, the universal values ​​of human rights are all

elements of western ideology. i don’t know that they should be, uh, unconditionally rejected, but this does not mean that they should be unconditionally accepted and accepted by any contemporary statement. in the west, anything that seems familiar to us, like democracy, should be called into question. i'm not talking about trium something. i say questioned. this means that we must turn the west from a subject into an object of our study, and as an object of our study. hmm, it has the right to exist, but not as a subject. this, in my opinion, is the most important stage of decolonization and multipolarity or polycentricity. now we have, in fact, one epistemic center or pole one civilizational center with its own models, and it continues. insist on our unipolarity, on our universality, on our hegemony, if we do not implement

deep decolonization of other civilizations , primarily our russian, but in fact also chinese and indian. watch bhara today. here, uh, senator denisov mentioned, a wonderful thing, but it all begins with the name, whether the name of india is colonial or its own sovereign, it begins with the transition from the supposedly universal language imposed on us to our own language, and we are not just talking about such an everyday language, we are talking about language. in the sense of sosyuras. in the sense of old- structuralism, that is, we are talking about how we understand the basic concepts. what interpretation do we give to understand, his god is a man , time, space, thought, death, life, family, man, woman. the direction of development these are all the questions in the world now.

they are in a state of colonized epistemic field, where the west continues to impose its global criteria, and then one should not be surprised by either the dollar, or technological development, or lgbt plus, or in the legendary agenda in science. it's all in one package. these are different levels hegemony, which we must turn into an object of our study to begin with. we need our own colonial stas , but not formulated in this center, but on the contrary, de-colonization, if you like, but research that will allow us to turn the west into objects of study. well, the second point, uh, which in my opinion is very important, it really is. a lot has been said today. this is very important and things. eh, the sea of ​​vladimir said. uh denisov a.i. others regarding what a policy is now we

can’t, but say, well, approximately multipolar world this means to me a unipolar world. today it is getting more brixy. after all the transformations. after expansion , the question becomes more and more serious. what is this pole or center, it really can be synonymous. what is a pole, and what is a polis, what is not, the criteria of which maria vladimirovna has already spoken obviously obviously requires further development of clarification. why because in fact, what is sovereignty for that in the new world, if this also flows from one thing to another today sovereign truly sovereign is only one one pole western this is real full-fledged sovereignty, which wants to be the only universal, total universal dominant and demonic. but other contenders for sovereignty are appearing against him, of course our country, russia as a state

of civilization, of course, china is also the most important contender. and maybe even