[000:00:00;00] everything is logical, there is something here, why were there many dead among the civilian population, but not a single deputy was injured, but it turns out there was a very cruel order, a strict order, under no circumstances, so that not a single deputy was killed, so they advised yeltsin , he says, if even one dies, then there may be international noise and others and deputies, parliamentarians will be indignant, and you will not be able to close, cover up, etc. so they didn’t act so stupidly, since they are voters, well, they beat me terribly, as i was told, so baburin was beaten, there at my deputy, so all the teeth were knocked out, so in general, many were seriously injured , and you yourself saw the dead, i saw when i was walking, i saw several corpses, when on

the stairs, right there they started... then on the right already, when they had already taken it, so, well, in general, as the main police generals told me, they had some kind of habit, as their purge then began, to immediately run to me and tell me everything, everything that was there, and military and police and not only police, said that everyone agreed that there were an order of magnitude of deaths 1500 people, i wrote about this in the book because they told me this quite convincingly , well, where are their bodies then, why aren’t their springs you asking me, yes, but am i an orderly, am i the chairman of the supreme council, why are you asking me a question , here we can assume, based on the same information, they said that they were dragged to morgues, so they were taken somewhere across the river, in these same stadiums, so to speak,

they were killed. they were transporting, what is it, 1,500 people, to hide them there to burn and so on and so on, so they removed, big deal 1,500 man, and you yourself saw the body of the deceased, you didn’t see 1,500 people, but how many did you see? well, i don’t know how many, i saw several corpses there near the stairs, in white light, they say that there were also snipers there, they say, i also heard what they say, that there were snipers, in any case... shot by a sniper, just for in order to somehow examine , maybe then there were corpses among our deputies , here is one major, here is a special forces soldier, he was shot like that, well, the examination also found out that it turns out that he was shot by a sniper, specifically, precisely from that side, not from the side of the white house, in order to arouse hatred in the alpha, the alpha is not even, not

special forces, to provoke... in the alpha, so that they kill us, this is also the version that was expressed to me and the military and the alpha members themselves, by the way, and then there was no need there, there was no need there, i don’t know, this is an assault and so on, the fact is that they brought two officers from alpha to me, so ion andronov, and ours the late minister for the special services, and so - and they say, these two such pleasant young officers came, one he says, ruslan iranovich, you, as chairman, have fulfilled your duty, no one has any complaints against you, we were in the council of nationality and met with your deputies, everyone says as one, as the chairman says, make a decision, i say, what kind of decision can there be , i say, i need to ensure that people are alive, i say,

can you provide? so we come to you for this, if you trust us, we will ensure, so to speak, that you will not be shot, without us i will kill you all, i say, okay, so if you ensure, if you give the officer’s word that we will provide, there are no questions, in half an hour we are waiting for you, well, we all got ready and left, so there was nothing for the assault, but i think that they needed this supposed assault, all this was needed for this, to rob, for example , i had funds, you know, the chairman of the supreme council, about 20 million , in my opinion, dollars, paintings, gold there, dishes, in general, everything and so on, so even when i went abroad , i even felt sorry for wearing some expensive things, as it should be, i took something cheaper,

so... in general, not to give , this entire fund disappeared, then alexander pochinok told me, he says, he says it disappeared, and so that it would not be noticeable how it disappeared, they brought in a large crane. from the fifth floor they pulled us out from there, not through the doors, because someone is watching through the doors, someone maybe, through the window, this happened, well, like when, as soon as we were shot, we were taken out that same day, you weren’t shot, yes, well, i’m saying, we were shot, by the way, we have to be precise, but from tank guns we they shot our palace, my house, the house of the soviets , and so right after the shooting, after the baby. the robbery began, i think that this supposed assault , it was needed in order to carry out this robbery, these were looters, the real ones, now 30 years later, who do you think was to blame for those tragic

events, and you can was it possible to avoid bloodshed, i think that even this question itself is blasphemous, i don’t like it, is it possible to ask such a question, you know somewhere in history, so that parliament they shot, well, who even hitler didn’t shoot the parliament, what does that mean, who is to blame, the one who shot the parliament is to blame, what other considerations could there be, and what could happen in, or even in 300 years, all the same, this is exactly how it is, and not otherwise, it is fair that no one was held responsible for the death of innocent people, as it is, how fair it is, of course, it is unfair, i was held responsible, and you also know what i was accused of, you have. amnestied or rehabilitated, there is a difference, you know between these concepts, the difference, that is, i

was forgiven, i still have not been amnestied, i still have not been rehabilitated, that is, i am legally considered guilty for what? for not submitting to arbitrariness. did you see yeltsin after those events? i didn’t see, with rutssky, when was the last time we communicated, well, we met with russian, although lately i haven’t been meeting like this for quite a long time, i have a rather stressful job, he also somehow didn’t express a desire, well, he did what he could do, he was his president, and i was the chairman of the supreme council, i led my deputies, i really criticized them, i said: “you go”: occupy your kremlin, take it there, even by storm, as you want, the minister of defense, i said, go to your ministry, the minister of internal affairs affairs, i say, go to your ministry, the kgb officer, go yours, you are in our way, i say, here

is the legislator, here is the house of councils, and you are located here like this, they drove me crazy, such was, however, dissatisfaction, i showed that they did not fulfill their duty, i like chairman of our department, after all, i immediately set the task, bring at least one small military unit here, at least one, these three generals and four generals were never able to bring at least one military unit, otherwise they boasted that if it starts there, we’re here... we’re being driven there, whole divisions will come to defend us, so we actually had complaints against our military, although we generally didn’t publicly demonstrate them, well, that

’s the situation, well at some place there, you know, when we were there in those difficult days, in in general, of course, there were no such conflicts among themselves. except that the chairman of the chamber made an attempt to remove me, sokolov, so there was such a parliamentary conspiracy, naturally, these signals came from the kremlin, yes, but unfortunately, i was so happy, i think maybe now they will remove me, so, because if i myself had resigned, it would have been considered cowardice, but that’s what i think, maybe they’ll dismiss me, in the end, no, they didn’t , so they put me in my position. so things were certainly very terrible, not just serious, and the blame, of course, is on yeltsin, on yeltsinist, who else, but what do you think, you and rudskoy

made some mistakes in those days, i don’t know, in relation to rudsky, let him he himself will say, i naturally made, and what a huge number of mistakes, well, what, what would you have done differently, if you had found yourself in the same events again, you know, of course, from the point of view of modern experience, i would certainly have won now, having that experience, i don’t know what, but i would have won absolutely, well, what would you have done differently? i know, i don’t know, now it makes no sense to even say that, but i’m sure that i won, they were very weak, they were weak, unsure, and we could have won, but you know, but on the other hand, they would still they didn’t let us win, they would have shot us then if they saw that we were winning, they committed terrible bloodshed, more than what they did, so it’s quite possible that we didn’t win anyway, well, parliament, well, there is parliament

parliament, you know, parliament has one weapon, this is the law, the force of law, if not observes the law, what kind of parliament, who needs a parliament, if the force of the law is not respected in society, but tell us about that meeting that was held by candlelight, so maybe one was held, a dozen were held by candlelight, literally on the third, on the fourth day, they took away our light, then it appeared and then went away, we worked all the time by candlelight, how many we had there, if i’m not mistaken, 16 meetings, there were congresses, most of them were held by candlelight, take my book which i'm still in prison i started writing, it’s all described there, but tell me what you did in prison, how they treated you there, in prison, they treated me very well, starting with the head of the prison,

only one was a political instructor who tried to command something there , but i chased him away, and the nurse who took me, and i had a serious cold there, so she came and said, you know, the pills don’t work on you, let me give you an injection, well, i gave the injection and i almost gave it away in the end , well, you see, the almighty is on my side... and me saved by the chief sanitary doctor of this hospital, he later told me, i woke up in his office so healthy, such a guy , apparently a wonderful doctor, he says, i passed by the cell from somewhere, and by position the head of the prison, his deputy and the chief sanitary the doctor has the right to demand that any cell be opened, so i say, i’ve already passed , then he tells me, then i think, let me see what

the chairman is doing, he ordered the sentry to open, he says, and you, he says, are already foaming at the mouth, he and he took zara and carried me in his arms to himself, so he, as the chief doctor, has his own laboratories and so on , so he pumped me out, if these two people, and the rest is all the staff, starting from the bosses, we all say, everyone treated me just like that, you know, well with a desire, in general, to help somehow, but therefore it was no coincidence that as soon as we were released, the head of the prison was fired, and the prison was transferred to another department, in general the authorities were also destroyed, did you have the opportunity to avoid arrest? so if you hadn’t been arrested, you would have avoided it, well , maybe you could have gotten out somehow earlier from there, that maybe you could go out, hide, i don’t know, so i’m asking that

it never occurred to me to hide, so what , is it really in my character to hide, to run away from the embassy there, did you have any fear that you can stay in prison for several years, but i didn’t have any fear , i had it, i didn’t have human fear, i was always afraid of only one force, the almighty, and that’s me then i... very calmly , what did you do in prison, read books in prison, but of course, i wrote, endlessly, i wrote, i finished my book , the conclusion of the world economy, a monograph that was published, and i wrote feverishly from my memories, here is the great russian tragedy in two volumes, it was published in ninety

-four, i read a lot. apparently there was once a wonderful library there, classics and literature, though it felt fragmentary, they had already lost a lot, in general it seems to me that every other day they brought books, books, i read them, wrote them, wrote them, wrote them, which means something , i came, by the way, i, i came as a scientist, here i am i headed the department for 10 years, i was used to writing all the time, so i always wrote, it is clear that the events of those years. this is a shock and a shock for the whole country, how do you think they influenced the further course of russian history? so, of course, they influenced it, because, in fact, yelchin established autocracy. what we dreamed about, this romantic one, there was no trace left of this , you talked about the moment the tank hit the white house, what you felt then and you stayed in your office like that, or you, i stayed, yes, of course, because what do you see they began to shoot as if from the upper floors,

they lowered more and more, they did not shoot into my office from tanks, but fired from this armored personnel carrier with a large-caliber machine gun. so they didn’t reach my office downstairs yet, they kept shooting lower, lower, lower, lower , they went down, then this alpha had an obvious influence, they stopped, then these negotiations began, we left, so, and then they supposedly they stormed a pogrom, they ask, they stormed an empty building, so i assure you, 100%, this was an assault... they didn’t stage it for the purpose of to rob, there were also carpets, paintings, i provided everyone, absolutely everyone with beautiful computers, furniture, they dragged everything, they dragged everything, then they told me, even alexander petrovich repaired, that’s what he told me , that’s what he says, they dragged everything,

tell me about that , how the arrest took place, well, how the arrest went, so when the alfovites left , so we... went out, as they ordered, and we are waiting, in general, then korzhakov appears and shouts, khazbullatov, rudskoy, so go there, and the eyes don’t look, zupkin, so he runs there, looks there, the eyes don’t they look, so, well, we went through, so, then this assessment, i remember, yes, who was in charge of this matter, assessment and he, together with alf, so not a single hair will fall from khazbulatov’s head, so here he is, we are leaving, here it’s an interesting thing, and there’s such a black crowd there, so i even think, suddenly, you know, to the car, he

’s in front, everyone there said that snipers could shoot me, the tam guy, suddenly he goes down, it’s... he was walking ahead of me, supposedly he was tying the lace, but then i thought, he lowered it on purpose, maybe for this purpose so that someone would shoot, well, they didn’t shoot, no one shot, but i think it might be him and for i don’t know, in this case, i ’m expressing my assumption, because when we were already on the bus, i told him, why did you go down, he also averted his eyes to the side, so the car is standing here , and korzhakov ordered the machine to get into the car, i got into the car, the ore machine, that ’s all, there was nothing else there, but you can was it possible to avoid bloodshed after all, well, if they hadn’t fired, it would have been possible, of course, as no, well, if you had come out earlier, you probably wouldn’t have started shooting either, well, what does that mean, but how did you come out earlier, well, if you gave up, no , well, yes, you gave up, yes, yes, what, raised your hands,

surrendered, yes , somehow you talk frivolously, it’s an interesting thing, what does it mean to lick it once? so then it would have been possible to surrender to the fascists, stalin would have surrendered, stalin would have surrendered with the fascist, he would have also avoided blood , really, what are the options, there is honor, you know what honor is, and a statesman and a man, what does it mean to surrender, yes, of course, how come why on earth, i don’t anyway gave up, did i really give up, give up, no, that wasn’t my rules, that’s not what i was taught, you didn’t have any disagreements with the russians on how? what kind of issues did you discuss together? yes, i don’t remember anymore, apparently there were some little things there, because he acted as he should, but i already told you this , now you reminded me again, the only thing is that i was dissatisfied with the fact that they could not

bring military unit, i say, well, you are generals, where is your military unit, this is what i insisted all the time, so utsskova, so other of these ministers, so this was the only question, i think that if they had been able to bring some kind of military unit, most likely, then yelchin would have been forced to really compromise and it would be possible by canceling this decree of his to achieve some other solution, i think the only compromise that would save face for him, us and the parliamentarians was the cancellation of this criminal decree number 1,400, well, that is, the zero option, yes, yes, yes of course. and elections, well, naturally elections, we made a decision, elections immediately , yes, that’s how things were, what did you

feel when you were released and then they gave you an amnesty, but you didn’t feel anything, you know, no relief, some kind of detachment, then there are all these romantic expectations that i shared, i was such a supporter of gorbachev, as were most intellectuals , both russian, and so it all faded away, in the end there was hope, okay, they defeated the ussr, let’s at least in the russian federation we’ll do something for society, for the people, it’s not very good, there’s absolutely no feeling that i was released there , thank you very much, please, it contains the highest dosage of a substance for pain and inflammation. pental against pain and inflammation in

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natalya near the white house in overalls, and which one? he was talking, you would have kept her, i would have done everything to prevent her from being there, the most sincere and honest guys, well, that’s where they got this desperation to protect the weak, they protected, i was 13 then, ran away from home, entered the barricades so that you can see everything for yourself and remember it. i go into the shower, a shell flies into the office, you and rudskoy made some mistakes in type, naturally i did, what would you have done differently, we could have won, those who went against

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a crisis that will end in bloodshed. we will take on this case, it will be an honest

detective story. let's start with the situation in the special operation zone in the kleshcheevka area in the dnpr, russian air defense systems shot down a ukrainian su-25 attack aircraft. in the kharkov region, our military destroyed an ammunition depot of the ukrainian armed forces. and margarita semenyuk will tell you in more detail about the situation on the fronts. the kleshcheevka area near artyomovsk is one of the hot spots on the line of combat contact. our defensive lines are being attacked in sou, but the artillery of the southern group of troops is also crushing the pedestrians

enemy and equipment. with a clear adjustment to art. exactly at a tank with a stage, destroying equipment and militants. our fighters repelled 10 attacks by assault groups in the arrtemovsky, marinsky and ovdeevsky directions. enemy losses amounted to more than 350 military personnel, a us-made m777 gun, polish-made crab self-propelled artillery mounts, and german-made 200 armored howitzers. howitzers 2.1 gvozdika and d-30. air defense systems also shot down a ukrainian su-25 attack aircraft, five american hymers guided missiles. air bomb, and more than thirty drones, accepted target 11, launch. this missile is sent along a coordinate straight to the loading point of a train with armored military equipment in the nikolaev region, it was destroyed by a high-precision strike, everyone was left without reinforcements. near snegerevka, nikolaev region, a warehouse of missile and artillery weapons of kiev