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uh, and it is extremely important, because we all understand perfectly well that this is a potential escalation of the conflict, not only on the territory of ukraine, all this can happen and, of course, this danger exists, many different statements are now being made, our diplomats are trying to to work in extremely difficult conditions, to convey our position, the position of the russian federation on current circumstances, to reach the other side, and somehow still influence, perhaps they will come to their senses, before our broadcast, our colleagues from sochi, the voldai club, an interview - with a professor from norway who is participating in the work, surprised me, i listened with pleasure, there are still some sober heads, but it is clear that this is not a powerful man, he is an expert, but nevertheless, and quite boldly, he answered the questions with a very

balanced position, and the main essence of which is that russia has the right to demands to ensure its security, but they understand... these are our former non-partners even though you know it’s difficult to call europeans former, and we are still, in any case, up to the urals also europe, in a geographical sense, and apparently we will have to continue to live in the same communal apartment, the question is how to pour poison into each other or laxatives or some other do bad things, or still come to an agreement and somehow use the common kitchen. konstantin gavrilov has connections with us, the head of the delegation of the russian federation in vienna. on issues of military security, arms control, ah, konstantin yuevich, i am glad to welcome you, thank you, what did you find for us, and as i understand it, yesterday you tried to do what i already said, to somehow convey our position to

those who are not yet very ready to listen to us, a very interesting story, please tell us what happened yesterday, absolutely true, this hasn’t happened for a long time, here it is again, yes here it is again, chernomyrdin said, yes, uh , you know, uh, now the canadian chairmanship is leading a meeting of the forum, well, dear woman, we consulted with her, talked, well, that she is all so soft and gentle, but they are rigidly pursuing the saxon line, but we are also not blind , uh, we clearly said, guys, stop leading us around, our speakers, among the speakers, you refuse to be listened to, the speaker will speak, you invite the finns, czechs, americans, canadians, anyone, italians, experts, pseudo-experts, government officials , ukrainians, anyone but russians,

we have told you about this many times , invite, you need to see an alternative point of view on this, you under all sorts of pretexts, no qualifications, enough, this, don't want it. so that there is a russian rapporteur, so we warn you that if he is not there, we will not accept the agenda of the meeting , your right to appoint speakers, our right to approve them or not, what we did yesterday, we did not accept the agenda, the forum meeting, we tried there to make maneuvers, divide the agenda, we said, no, guys, this won’t work, let’s close the meeting and run to your corners and hold unofficial... groups, say whatever you want, it will all be unofficial, warned that that ’s it, your song is over, you don’t want to listen to us, then we will look at the meeting specifically from every angle, whether our speaker will be there, will not be, whether the topic is on the agenda, whether the agenda is

included in the mandate of the forum or not, that is, we and now we will talk like a boy, like an adult, they took it in, they were a little hysterical, but i think they accepted, i think, the process of teaching education, we will continue, and konstantin, well, the canadians wanted to beat us at hockey, political, but we always won all series, and seventy-second year, seventy-five and on, yes 3.7, i saw, i remember, i was 13 years old or 12, i remember this mother alive, well, like a little bit like that, like something like that happened and... what are you talking about still, we wanted to say, our rapporteur, what, well, so briefly , just a few words, this problem was very serious, international humanitarian law, our rapporteur, ambassador at large,

mr. miroshnik, our old friend, a qualified expert, you you know him, he... is a very, very competent specialist, we met him personally, and we promoted him in every possible way, because he knows the situation in the field, on the spot, what they are doing in the region: humanitarian workers, ukrainian nazis, well , knowing in advance, they simply did not want such a specialist to be present, however less, my report, which he prepared, slides that we also prepared with our participation , we distributed, let everyone enjoy , look, grigoriev’s book was distributed, that is, we are not now in some kind of defensive... position, we are here now

we are going on the offensive, this is between kalingrad in the state of affairs and kursk, and konstantin, what do you mean, from the point of view of arms control, after all, while we see that control, weak, so to speak, has collected all of it , it, it’s practically non-existent, because the americans and their satellites, they practically destroyed all the foundations, even those politically binding transfers of weapons to conflict zones, all this is ignored, completely ignored, and we see them at every meeting, just here we show it, here it is for you personnel, look, here you are delivering, this is bombed, this is broken , but the most interesting thing is that there are already sober heads, generals in the west, who make

it clear that the west has already lost in the war of logistics, in the war of logistics , the russian rear is increasing its armament, supplies of equipment, missiles, not by a percentage, many times over, as the minister of defense said, and this is felt at the front , look at the factories, what they are already doing, now the factories will soon... they will fly not at 30, but at by 50, 100, 80 km, that is, they increase range, without the plane entering the affected area, and the west has already exhausted everything, the general alone said, we already feel the bottom in the warehouses , we are scraping, in the bottom of the barrel, the mouse is dead, as they used to say, yes, yes, yes, already, already everything, and what should these f16 deliveries be done to just launch tourases, which the germans either want to send or don’t want, whatever you want them, so understand how the americans will shout to them, they are ahead of

the rest of the planet, and yet, there and there you have them already mentioned, these long-range missiles, taurus, taurus, that’s probably how they are correct i don’t know what to call it correctly, but so be it, yes, whatever, because it ’s an abbreviation, these english ones, it’s difficult to pronounce correctly, but, but still they will put them. they delivered konstantin, i think, yes, i think, yes, because, you see, it wasn’t because they had a good life that they started supplying combined uranium, uh, cluster munitions, uh, and these, the germans have 600 of these in total, 150 of them are combat-ready, the germans themselves are already afraid to hand over, but i think they are quite capable of handing over some part, and most importantly, they say that they are ready to hand over when they have already usually these missiles are located on ukrainian territory.

that is, they are very afraid of being defeated on the way, and so on, the americans can put it on, and so they can put ms, but you will notice how our aviation works, they demolish airfields, they hit carrier aircraft, for example, tores, he air, ground, it’s in reinforced bunkers, it’s only launched from an airplane , there are no suspensions, only the f16, so they’ve adapted 124, well , they’ll decide, they won’t decide anything, we have counteraction, the air defense is being built up, that is as the president said, these are not questions, of course, they will not cause us damage, of course, that’s it, but they will not, will not make a decisive turning point, everything with them is already clear, it’s not for nothing that zelsky is being pushed towards elections, he doesn’t want any , apparently they will decide something, like a conspirator. nevertheless, while they are making big plans, this eu mission

, which was recently in kiev, and before that , guys from large military concerns that produce weapons came, swearing that they will produce weapons in ukraine, well, actually in poland, that’s us we understand, but do you think they can do this now, you said that in the west, he must have guarantees that they will produce millions of shells for a certain period of time, in such and such quantities, at such and such a price , this is exactly what is difficult to negotiate with the governments that purchase these shells, it’s much simpler here, it’s much easier to solve here, so it’s being built up, but for them it’s all complicated, they can build it, the question is when, how much will it

cost, and how quickly it will be destroyed, if it is on the territory of ukraine, everything. after all how do you feel the mood of the europeans, you say, you listed what needs to be done so that they begin to build up their arsenals and transfer part of the industry , at least part, and in fact almost all of it, to war realities, in order to sharply and quickly increase these shortages . and will europe still go for it with live missiles and so on? yes, i have this feeling, you know, after conversations with colleagues, with some who sincerely sometimes, not all, but some we have contacts, i get the impression that europeans, and young europeans, especially

old europeans, they are very afraid of being drawn into a real war, specifically the ukrainians. it’s a pity, they are ready to give away some shells, well, keep some of them for themselves, but specifically , they will not fight with the russian federation for any price, well, it seems to me, yes, despite their rhetoric, no matter what, they will be exhausted they, raising their paws up is of course inconvenient, but there will be something similar, we understand your concerns, that time will come, then it is necessary, as they say, already remember how - they told ukraine, tell ukraine, as zhukov told keitul, sign the piece of paper here, and now leave, yes, these are the negotiations that will take place, and konstantin, well , for now, unfortunately, we have to wait until that time, our guys

to do our combat work, so that we can demand it like this, it will definitely be done, another thing is at what cost... and how could this situation be somehow changed, i mean that konstantin yurievich, i what i mean is that, after all, your work is extremely is important, but a little later we will talk with ardeon valeryevich miroshnik in more detail on this topic, nevertheless, this is a clarification, i was extremely surprised by this professor from norway, whom nastya efimova interviewed here. just now from sochi, this is the power in europe, which, as you say, they don’t want to fight for any rugs, because they understand, the russians are not a threat, the russians will give their last shirt away, that we gas, what the threat is, people understand, but you look what's going on, first the specializations,

how many prime ministers and presidents have flown, the maple leaves are falling, the leaves are falling, it's clear, you know, right? yes, how many already, a lot, yes, and the last elections in slovakia gave such an interesting signal, they showed it specifically, but here, for example, in vienna there are also demonstrations against the war for peace, although the austrian government is neutral, it is trying to comply with the rules, decency and so on, without getting drawn into all this, it listens to its people, in germany they don’t listen, in the czech republic they don’t listen, so the slovak people expressed their opinion and cannot do anything about it, they are now closing the borders, you see, poland, the czech republic, and austria are putting it under control, they just don’t close it, they are putting it under control, you see what methods of pressure, but this process will expand , after all, you can’t deceive people, yes, and the main thing is that you can’t deceive ukrainian refugees, who now

i’ve come across such messages, have begun to leave slovakia in such large numbers, to other countries, well, i don’t know how much i haven’t checked this information, well we don’t know it for sure, but it seems to me that this is reliable information, because i don’t think that they will come here, there are 70 or 80,000 here, in my opinion, according to official data, they are austrians who are hosting them, apparently they will then be ready to use them as labor, not just to feed refugees with benefits, but how to use working force, here is konstantin and a few such moments, after all, your plans, plans for how we will continue to beat the canadians in political hockey, they still have until the end of the year, you know, alexander anatolyevich, there is no need to beat anyone, you know that we we are trying to sit on the defensive, we want everything to be fair, honestly, like

all russian people want this, so that ours and yours are represented, everything is worthy, and we are still neighbors, and we could it’s normal to talk, i think, all these young european hysterics that they are throwing around here , there will be some specific conversation, about mines, about children, yes, a serious topic, we discussed it, it is within the mandate of our forum, so we set up a dialogue, we do not want one-sided advantages, we want fair, honest discussing the problems at hand, and so that these problems don’t fucking exist, you know, russia don’t collide, so that ships and so on, that is, we have a specific proposal, they

are not yet ready to work, but in the future we will lead them to that that these serious issues need to be worked on. yes , konstantin, a draw means in hockey, this is fair, yes, probably my comparison was not very correct, but nevertheless, we really are. to beat anyone, we want to be on equal terms, and then everything will be fine, konstantin ivich, thank you, good luck to you in your work, we will continue to follow your activities, we are happy to watch, thank you very much, yes, all the best, konstantin gavrilov, head of the delegation in vienna on military security, arms control, we talked about how the work is going on the diplomatic front to clarify our position and now we have connections with radion miroshnik. radion valerievich, can you hear us? yes, good sir, ambassador at large of the russian ministry of foreign affairs, just yesterday you weren’t allowed, as i understand it, uh,

to express our position, it’s normal, literally a few words, here are a few points, what did you want to convey? you know, here is my first thesis of what happened yesterday, konstantin told you everything in sufficient detail, but i was a little captivated by the fact that the canadian... why not include an expert from russia, he says, the main reason, he says, is that you don’t have phd for international humanitarian law, no others, no theses that would require any approaches at all, yes, that is, the phd that i have in history did not suit them, qualification 7 years i wasn’t happy with staying in the minsk format either, well, he says, this is what we think you shouldn’t say, the actions of our delegation, of course, they just thwarted, all these... statements that ukraine, in particular its partners, have enough of prepared in detail, which they don’t want to hear about, now and at the meeting in vienna

, that’s what the partners don’t want to hear about, they don’t want to hear about the consequences that lead to their supply of weapons to ukraine and provision of them to the ukrainian regime, that’s they don’t want to hear that ukraine, as a state that signed the atava convention, is about banning anti-personnel mines. they use it in tens of thousands, that is, today we have 140 people who suffered from the explosion of only petals, these are the petals that are being thrown today at the donetsk people's republic, and the kherson region, and the belgorod region, that is, they are literally tens of thousands with with the help of the rszzo they are thrown into our territories and children suffer from this, they suffer from this adults, that is, peaceful people , they are not thrown into military positions, but... into peaceful residential cities, they are abandoned in residential areas and the consequences, then they are actually tragic, that is, people die, people lose limbs, that’s

it the most serious problem, we were going to talk about compliance with international humanitarian law, there are provisions that imply immunity and patronage over a number of civilian objects, well, for example, these are medical institutions, this is the education system, these are churches, and this social centers, i personally... well, even last week i drove through four territories that are adjacent to the border, and now in fact this is the line of military contact, i was in shibekina, i was in starodubtsevo, i myself saw kindergartens, which arrived from the direction of ukraine and not only ukrainian weapons or far from ukrainian weapons were used there, i saw medical institutions, medical centers that were literally simply completely broken, i was in zelemur, this is the shibekinsky district, belgorod ... region, where is located and the cultural center, and the school, and the fab, they are simply torn to smithereens, and there, you know , as far as the eye can see, there is not even a hint

of any military fortifications. or something similar in this sense, so this is a direct violation of international humanitarian law and you know, this message, in theory, should have an impact, we have no illusions that great britain or the united states, which are the customers of this whole process, who are actively supplying the ukrainian regime with these weapons, that they somehow change their minds or begin to reconsider their position, oh leave it, radion valerievich, i apologize, let’s pause for a minute, then continue, everything you expect from chicken burgers is tasty and spot on, tender chicken hit and chicken premе, and also try our new products with mushroom sauce, free sofcom bank debit card, cashback up to 5%, or income on the balance up to 15%. select order online at sovcombank.ru. sbermarket

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with radio miroshnik, ambassador of the russian ministry of foreign affairs, sorry again, technological necessity, to interrupt our conversation, it was necessary, let’s continue the conversation, you said that you visited zones where civilians are being shelled with western weapons and wanted to tell vienna about this, but they didn’t give it to you, except for mine, you know, today the story is not enough, that is, it is necessary present evidence, we have this evidence , we have video and photographic evidence today, we have evidence of people who suffered from these attacks, who suffered from a direct violation of international humanitarian law by ukraine and their partners you’re right, if i just name the numbers, today there are more than 30 thousand, 30,000 shelling of our territory, well, overwhelming...