tv RIK Rossiya 24 RUSSIA24 October 5, 2023 5:30pm-6:00pm MSK
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[000:00:00;00] countries, yes, inflation jumped, but we then ensured that our producers increased production of the goods we needed, and today you know, we are fully self-sufficient in all major agricultural products, completely in the main types of food, the same is now happening in the sphere real production in industry, and the main growth comes from the manufacturing industries, oil and gas revenues have fallen, but they also give plus 3%, and not oil and gas revenues and primarily in the processing industries plus 43%. and this first of all, the steel industry , this is optics, this is electronics, we need to do a lot in the field of microelectronics, we are really still at the beginning of our journey, but it is already
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growing. all together gives + 43%. we have rebuilt logistics, transport engineering is growing , and so on, and so on. in general, we have a stable, stable situation, we have overcome all the problems that arose after the introduction of sanctions in our relations, we have begun the next stage of development, on a new basis, which is extremely important, this is very, very important for us to maintain the trend, not to miss it, we have problems, including those related to the labor shortage, yes, but this is followed by some other issues, but our real disposable income is growing, growing, and growing , so if in europe they fell, ours grew by more than 12%. here we have our own inflation, it has grown, now it is 5.7%, yes, well,
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the central... bank, government, are taking concerted measures to neutralize these possible negative consequences. you mentioned structural perestroika that is taking place, some opponents will say that this is the militarization of the economy, they are right, which means , look, our defense spending has increased, but not just for defense, for defense and security, they have grown by approximately ... until it was where - there are about 3%, now they are about six, for defense and security, but at the same time, i want to emphasize this, i have already said, i have to repeat, we have a budget surplus in the third quarter of over 660 billion rubles, this year by there will be a deficit this year, but only 1%, which is quite healthy
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budget and a healthy economy, so to say that we are spending excessively, a lot of money for guns, we forgot about butter, this is not so, i want to emphasize that everything, namely all the previously announced development plans, the achievement of strategic goals, everything taken on by the state social obligations with resettlement, everything is being fully fulfilled, thank you, this is good news, vladimir vladimirovich, in addition to the conflict in ukraine, which of course... we will return many more times, literally in the last days, weeks, events in the southern caucasus, here chairman of the european council, charles michel, said not long ago in an interview yesterday, russia betrayed the armenian people, who said, charles michel , chairman of the european council, you know, our people say, whose mare mooed, and yours lied, cow, mare, it doesn’t matter ,
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an animal, in short, some kind of animal. that means that’s all, i interrupted you, excuse me, no, please, you understand, because what was happening, what happened most recently, uh , that’s what, but after the well-known events, and the collapse of the soviet union, we know that there was conflict, ethnic clashes began between armenians and... baijanis, they began in the city of sumgait, then spread to karabakh, all this led to the fact that in armenia, not in karabakh, armenia actually put under its control, the whole of karabakh, seven adjacent territories, seven districts of azerbaijan, this is, in my opinion, almost 20% of the territory of the republic of azerbaijan,
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all this lasted for many decades. i must say that i will not reveal any secret here, we have offered our armenians many times over the past 15 years friends, but what kind of compromises should we make? return five regions around karabakh to azerbaijan, keep two for ourselves and thus preserve the territorial connection between armenia and karabakh, but our karabakh friends, time after time, told us, no, this will create certain threats for us, we, in turn, said , listen, well, azerbaijan is growing, the economy is developing, it is an oil and gas producing country, there are already over 10 million people there, let’s compare the potentials, while there is such an opportunity, we need to find this compromise, we and ours the parties are confident that we will make an appropriate
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decision within the framework of the un security council, guarantee the security of this naturally emerging lochin corridor between armenia and karabakh, and guarantee the safety of the armenians living in this territory. but no, we were told, no, we cannot agree to this, and what will you do, we will fight, oh well, things eventually came to armed clashes in the twentieth year, and then, i also suggested to our friends and colleagues, by the way, president aliyev doesn’t like me either will probably be offended, but there was... at some point an agreement was reached that - that, uh, the azerbaijani troops would stop, i honestly thought that the issue had been resolved, i called yerevan, suddenly
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i heard, no, let they are leaving that insignificant share of, uh, that means, uh, karabakh, where - the troops of azerbaijan have entered, well, that's it, i say, listen, what will you do? again the same phrase: we will fight, well , listen, now in a few days they will go to the rear of your fortification in the akdama area, everything will end, you understand, yes, that you will do, we will fight, okay, well, that means everything turned out the way it turned out, in the end, after all, we agreed with azerbaijan that after you... on the shusha line, in shusha itself, military operations will be stopped. a corresponding statement was signed in november 2020 on the suspension of hostilities and the introduction of our
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peacekeepers. here is the next very important point, the legal status of our peacekeepers was based solely on this statement, dated november 2000 of the twentieth year, no status peacekeepers never emerged, well, now i won’t say why, azerbaijan believed that there was no need for this, and signing without azerbaijan was pointless, so the entire status was based, i repeat, solely on the statement of november 2020, and the rights peacekeepers had only one thing, to monitor compliance with the ceasefire, that’s all, we peacekeepers had no other rights there, well, no, only monitoring
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the end of the regime, uh, the ceasefire, everything, well, so, so unsteady condition, it lasted for a certain time, now you mentioned... my respected president of the european council, mr. michel, here in prague , that means, in prague in the fall of 2020 22 years, here are the sub-guides of mr. michel, then the president of france macron and mr. scholz, the chancellor of the federal republic of germany, gathered and the leaders of armenia and azerbaijan, and there they signed a statement, you know, a statement from which it follows
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that armenia recognized karabakh as part of the azerbaijani republic. moreover, the leaders of the delegation, the leaders of armenia , directly named the territory of azerbaijan in square kilometers, which certainly includes karabakh, and emphasized that they recognize the sovereignty of azerbaijan within the framework. azerbaijani ussr, which at one time were part of the ussr. and, as you know, karabakh was also part of the azerbaijani ussr. that is, in essence, the main, absolutely key issue, which was the status of karabakh, was resolved. when karabakh declared its independence, no one recognized this independence. even armenia, which , frankly speaking, is strange for me, but nevertheless,
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such a decision was made, they did not recognize independence of karabakh, but here in prague, they recognized that karabakh belongs to azerbaijan, and then at the beginning of twenty-three they repeated the same thing a second time at a similar meeting in brussels, but you know, this is between us, although this is already between us... probably not suitable, but nevertheless, but if they came, by the way, no one told us about this, i personally learned this from the press, but azerbaijan has always believed that karabakh is part of its territory, but having determined the status of karabakh as part of azerbaijan, armenia , but made, so qualitative changes in its position, after that - at one of the meetings, president aliyev came up to me and said, well
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, you see, everyone recognized that karabakh is ours, your peacekeeper there is on our territory, you see, even the status of our peacekeepers immediately underwent qualitative changes after the definition status of karabakh as part of azerbaijan. he says: your military is on our territory, and let’s now agree on their status on a bilateral basis. well, prime minister pashinyan confirmed, yes, you now need to negotiate on a bilateral basis, that is, karabakh left, you can say whatever you want about this status, but this was, this was the key issue, the status of karabakh, everything revolved around this over the previous decades, how and when, who and where will determine the status, that’s it, armenia decided it, karabakh...
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officially became part of azerbaijan, this is the position of the modern armenian state, well, what should we do? what do we need? here's everything that happened, in the recent past, there about two or three weeks ago, and the blocking of the etochi corridor and so on, all this was inevitable after the recognition... of azerbaijan’s sovereignty over karabakh, it was only a matter of time when and in what way azerbaijan would establish constitutional order there within the framework of the constitution of the azerbaijani state, but what can you say, but how any other reaction to this? armenia recognized it, but what should we do? no, and we don’t admit it, but this is nonsense, that’s right, some kind of nonsense. i won’t tell you now,
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i think it’s incorrect about the nuances of our discussions, but, but what happened is in in recent days or in recent weeks, but this was an inevitable consequence of what was done in prague in brussels, so mr. michel and his colleagues should have thought about that when... they persuaded, apparently, apparently, i don’t know, you have to ask them themselves, somewhere behind the scenes, behind the scenes, they were trying to persuade the prime minister of armenia, mr. pashinyan, to take such a step, they should all have thought together, and about the fate of the armenians of karabakh, they should have somehow, well, i would like to write something down about what and how to expect them in this in this situation, there is some order. integration
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of karabakh into the azerbaijani state, some kind of order related to ensuring their security and respect for their rights. but there is nothing of this there, there is only a statement that karabakh is part of azerbaijan, that’s all. so what should we do? if so, armenia itself has decided. what should we do? so , what we did, we used everything that we had in the steam sense, in order to provide, well, the humanitarian component, as you know. we have people there by the way, our peacekeepers died defending the armenians of karabakh, we provided them with humanitarian assistance, provided medical assistance , ensured their exit, and if
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we return again to our european, so-called colleagues, yes, but at least they now provide humanitarian assistance , let them send there to support these... unfortunate people, i can’t say it any other way, who came from their native lands in nagorno-karabakh, but it seems to me that they will do this, but in general, by and large, it is necessary , of course, think about their long-term fate perspective, but is russia ready to support these people? and i just said, we supported them, we have people, our people died there defending them. covering them with ourselves, providing humanitarian support, because we have there on ours, in the center of our peacekeepers, all the refugees came there, under the protection of our peacekeepers, thousands gathered there, women and children mostly came there, that’s how we are, of course we are already
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ready to provide this, armenia does not cease to be our ally, if there are humanitarian issues there, they are humanitarian issues. of course we have them - we are ready and will discuss and are ready to provide support to help these people, this goes without saying, but i just told you now how events developed, well, briefly, but in general i told you the main thing. vladim vladimovich, one more nuance in this regard, now the azerbaijani leadership is very harshly purging those who served in karabakh, the leaders, and there are different people there, including those who are well known in russia. like ruban vardan, for example, we can, he refused our citizenship, he refused, but he was, we can somehow call on the azerbaijani leadership to show, i don’t know, mercy, we have always done this, now we are doing it, i spoke, as you know, on the phone with president aliyev, well, before we talked
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about how nothing would happen there, and he he kept assuring me that no matter what happens, he will ensure the rights of the armenian population of nagorno-karabakh, but now there are no armenians left there, everyone has left, you know that everyone has left, there are simply no armenians there, well, maybe a thousand one and a half, that's it, well, that's it, there's just no one there, that's what concerns former leaders, i don’t know, i don’t want to go into details, well, as i understand it, they especially don’t want to see them in yerevan, but i... proceed from the fact that the leadership of azerbaijan will still proceed from, in this case, when all territorial issues for azerbaijan have been resolved, it will still be based on considerations of a humanitarian
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nature. thank you, colleagues, please. so please, if you want to ask questions, here is fen shavlei, i am fen professor fen shavlei, one of our veterans, thank you very much, east china normal university, shanghai, dear mr. president, i am very glad to see you again, the october international conference, its theme, dedicated to the tenth anniversary of the initiative, the train path will be held in beijing, at the same time, this is an almost decade-long initiative to
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connect the eurasian, partnerships with poizat initiatives, which... together with the president in sitempin. but my question is the same, given the new situation, what new ideas and what specific proposals have you already thought about and prepared? thank you very much. we we actually return to this topic many times, and some people have even tried and are trying. to raise doubts that our eurasian our eurasian project, the development of the european economic union and the initiative of the chairman are one train, one way, they may not coincide with interests, they may enter into
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some kind of competition with each other, this is not so, i have already many times spoke on this matter , on the contrary, we believe that one project harmoniously complements the other, because what is happening in relations with china, in relation to russia, well, in relation to russia to a greater extent today, in relation to china, long... before the start of the events in ukraine , some partners, we know who exactly, began to introduce various kinds of sanctions, these some moments turned, even all this turned into some kind of semblance trade war between china and the united states, restrictions were introduced, including those related to logistics, we are interested in establishing new logistics routes, and china is also interested, the volume of trade turnover is growing , excuse me, the volume of trade is growing, so we are
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now talking about the northern corridors -south, china is building some routes there through central asian states, we are interested in supporting this, we are building appropriate roads and railways , all this is the subject of our negotiations, this is firstly, secondly, all this is complemented by what is called the sphere real production, we supply the necessary goods to the people's republic of china, china supplies us with the goods we need, and we build such chains, both logistics and production chains, that are certainly fit into the goals that representatives today set for the chinese economy, the economy, fit into our development tasks... in the modern world of the development of our economy and partnerships with other countries, this clearly complements
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each other, i will not list specific projects now , there are enough of them, including between china and russia, we have built a bridge, you know, we have other logistics plans, we are developing relations, as i already said in the field of real production, all this together will be... the subject of our bilateral contacts and negotiations within the framework of a multilateral format, this is a large, very , very capital-intensive work and i want to emphasize again, i want to emphasize this, all this work in no case and has never been built against anyone, it has a creative beginning aimed exclusively at achieving a positive result, both for us, russia and china, and for our partners around the world. thank you,
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uh, so, uh, richard sakwa, you were talking about changes in international politics, the emergence of sovereign states that defend themselves, they are autonomous actors in international politics, indeed this is happening, this is happening within the framework of brix plus, a few months ago there was a meeting also in the sco, thus the world is changing, international politics is changing, the state is changing, post-colonial states are changing, and now these states have made it clear that they want to actively participate in the international
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community, however, the international politics... you don’t see any contradictions between changes in international politics and the paralysis of the un system, international law, how russia can help overcome this so that it works better, how to resolve contradictions in international politics, you are certainly right, there are certain contradictions between those the framework that was created by the victorious countries in the second world war in 1945, and the changed conditions in the world, today, forty -fifth year, there is one situation in the world. today's the day is completely different, and of course, uh, of course,
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these legal, uh. norms, they must change in accordance with the changing world, here we can approach this differently , we can say that the un and modern international law, which is built on the basis of the charter of the united nations, are outdated and subject to demolition, and it is necessary to create something new. but here, of course, there is a danger that we will eliminate the existing system of international rules, namely the real rules of international law on the basis of the un charter, but nothing new has been created yet and cannot be created and just general chaos will ensue, it already takes place, its
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elements take place, but if the un charter is completely thrown into the dustbin of history without replacing it with... something, then chaos is inevitable and can lead to very serious consequences, so i believe , we must follow the path of changes in international law in accordance with the requirements of today with changes in the situation in the world. in this sense, of course, countries that acquire significant weight should be represented in the un security council. in international affairs and simply by force their potential have the opportunity to influence the solution of key international issues, what countries are these, well, this is india , more than half a billion, in my opinion people are already in the population, more than seven percent,
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economic growth, in my opinion, 7.4 or six six ten . but this is a global giant, yes, there are still a lot of people there who need help, support, but nevertheless, it means that high-tech exports there are growing at a gigantic, gigantic pace, because this is a powerful country, it is becoming more powerful from year to year , under the leadership of the prime minister modi, or brazil, in latin america , the population is huge, the growth of influence is colossal, south africa, well, how can we not take into account their influence in the world, which means their weight in making key decisions on the international agenda should increase, but of course, it needs to be done in this way so that a consensus is reached on these changes, so that it does not destroy, this is a complex issue, so that it does not destroy the existing international legal regime, this is a complex process, but in my opinion, we need to go exactly in this direction, along
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this path, that is, you think , what existing, the people's legal regime exists, it has not been destroyed yet, well, it is certainly not completely destroyed, because you understand what the matter is, let's remember the very, very first years of the existence of the un, as our soviet minister of foreign affairs, mr. gromyk, was called then called mr. novo, why? because there were a lot of contradictions, and the soviet union very often used its right of veto, but it... had meaning and significance, it did not lead to conflicts, in our recent history we are very western leaders have often heard that the un system is outdated, it does not meet the needs of today, this especially began to be heard during the yugoslav crisis, when, without any sanctions from the un security council, the united states and
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allies began to bomb belgrade mercilessly and fearlessly, even we ended up at the embassy of the people's republic of china in belgrade, where this international law was not there, they said there was no international law of this kind, which was not needed, it was outdated, why, because they wanted to act, well, without regard to it international law, then, when russia began to take some actions , they said, how can this be, it’s a disgrace, russia violates international law, the un charter, but always, unfortunately... attempts to adjust this international law to suit itself, that’s good, it’s either bad, it’s very bad, but at least something exists that is a guideline , my only concern is that, if it’s even swept into the basket, removed, but then there won’t even be guidelines, it seems to me what
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