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is very good, we are americans, we have families here... we are not indifferent to what is happening to our country, but how could it be otherwise, still in washington issues were treated as a cause for scandal, the usual chorus of liars, many of them from the so-called right , unfortunately immediately condemned him as a dangerous fanatic, labeled him a supporter of hamas, which is simply ridiculous, and then suggested that he was not believes in israel's right to self-defense, which is even stupider, this shameful performance was very revealing, but all this did not answer the question he raised: what is the best path for the united states, as well as for the israel of the whole world, this is worth think, the stakes are higher than many americans. imagine, it is easy to assume that a number of other countries may be drawn into the conflict between israel and hamas, countries such as russia, iran, turkey, china, saudi arabia, the persian gulf countries and perhaps many others. some of these

countries may take our side in supporting israel, but most will not, and this will become a problem. the us military is weaker than at any time in the last 50 years since the end of the vietnam war, exhausted by two pointless conflicts. and afghanistan, divided by identity politics, ineptly led by incompetents in the pentagon, our troops are clearly disorganized , look at the numbers of enlistments, no one wants to serve, but it's even worse, the government funding our army is bankrupt, the man leading it has fallen into insanity, now is not the time for a world war, we will lose, but our commander in chief has no idea about it, watch the next recording , where he grins, insisting that america is so rich, that there is no limit to our power, that we can fight as many wars as we want. for god's sake, we are the united states of america, the most powerful nation in history, not just in the world, in world history,

in the history of the world. we can take care of this and that and still maintain our overall defense capability. we have the opportunity to do this, and we must do it. we are the most important nation, to paraphrase. former secretary of state, and if not us, then who? the most powerful nation in the history of the world. one can imagine the roman senate making a similar statement on the morning the visigoths sacked their city. pride precedes destruction, it has always been so and will always be so. how can we save our country from destruction? viveca and you have been thinking about this all week. he joins us now. thank you very much for coming. so what do you think is the potential for disaster here? first of all, i must say that no one, of course, disputes israel's interest in continuing the conflict with hamas, in punishing those responsible, while protecting itself, but from the american

point of view, what could go wrong? i think one of the things we should do is remember the mistakes we made in own recent past, over the past 20-25 years, as after the terrorist attacks of september 11, wars in iraq and afghanistan became involved, costing more than 6 trillion dollars, which claimed the lives of thousands of americans, partly due to the situation that developed after september 11, as you remember, tolerance towards the debate was very limited: shut up, sit down, do what they say, go along with the plan, but what worries me tucker is that i now see the left criticizing israel in connection with the upcoming ground operation in gaza, talking about proportionality, from the point of view of from the us point of view, from the israeli point of view, how can this lead to a good result?

i'm worried that, as we speak, it seems inevitable that israel will launch a ground invasion of gaza, i'm worried that a ground invasion of gaza without clearly defined objectives will be the start of another endless war that will not benefit israel and will not bring... .benefits to the united states. and one of the things i've been thinking about in recent days is that there's a lot of pathos coming from the bloodthirsty neocons. at the same time, many israelis are much more rational about this than some here in the united states. how might things develop? if we just think of one reasonable scenario, let's just take it step by step from now. israel carries out a ground invasion of gaza. so? there is no clearly defined goal, but an operation. this crosses the red line that hezbollah had previously outlined when it said it would attack israel, and this could happen just as israel is in a ground conflict in gaza that

can become a trap, networks, kilometers and kilometers of tunnels, many traps that you can fall into, this could be the perfect moment, unfortunately for hezbollah to attack israel, israel will find itself in a war on two fronts, in the north of the country in the south in gaza, and then we are talking about the real. now look at what iran-backed militias are doing in other places like iraq, this will also become a red line for them, this will escalate into the wider region. at the same time, civilian casualties in gaza are setting the rest of the world on edge against israel. and by the way, even if successful, the vacuum created will eventually be filled by hamas 2.0 due to the radicalization of the palestinians , so i don’t think this scenario is worth it, so i can interrupt you to ask: what exactly is the plan, i mean, is it that the states have pre -approved what they are paying for, so i think this question is quite reasonable. what's the plan? i think this is exactly what it is. we do not have

a clear idea on the part of israel about the goals set; we in the united states should wisely help our partner who suffered from extremely destructive and inhumane blow to their country, it was barbaric. our job is to tell them: these are the mistakes we made after 9/11. now is the time to set a clear goal for ourselves, but we only hear pathos from people, it seems. graham, nicky haley or mike pence playing up the drama at a time when we need rational strategy from the people who have so humiliated our country and are responsible for the deaths of so many americans and are now lecturing us from a position of moral superiority, interestingly they refer on my foreign policy experience, i don’t have it, but for them this is a reason for pride, their foreign policy experience unfortunately showed itself in the results that they achieved for the country, i believe that many naakons... here are much more bloodthirsty than some of the more realistic minds in israel. what

is the best alternative to the plan in its current form, that is, no plan, an invasion of gaza without a clearly defined goal? i think a cascade of events will follow, a reaction from hezbollah, then probably the involvement of the united states, then pro-iranian militias in iraq in yemen will cause their involvement in the united states would almost certainly lead, especially if we are talking about strikes in lebanon against hezbollah, it is obvious how this can... very quickly escalate into much larger conflicts. just think about israel's own ability to fight hezbollah. the last time they fought with hezbollah was in 2006, it didn’t go very well. i was there, and were there? yes, in beirut, yes. oh, okay, well, then you know better than i how unsuccessful that one- front war was. now imagine that they are stuck in conflict in the south in gaza at the same time. and by the way, some of these groups in iraq, iran-backed militias, they have said they will strike in response to... u.s. involvement will strike u.s. bases in the region

if we participate. where is our largest embassy, ​​the largest embassy in baghdad, which, by the way, is in chaos as we speak, i don't think it's crazy that the embassy in baghdad would have to be evacuated, so under those circumstances i'm concerned that that would lead to a war that will not benefit israel due to poorly defined goals and will not benefit the united states. there are other questions that can... there must be some answer. hamas did this, the people who did this obviously need to be punished, killed? so what do you think would be the wiser course for the us and israel at this point? i'm running for president, my job is to look at it through the lens of us interests, but if we 're talking to israel, one of the things is to know their real goals. here is one reasonable option: israel will determine its

the goal and the united states have to say, here's what we can support, here's what we can't, but here's one version that, if i were president of the united states, i would fully support, and it seems to me that this is one of the best scenarios for israel itself. think about a world in which israel has a clear target, say 100 people at the top and hamas, we want to put their heads on stakes, put them along the israel-gaza border when we build a new border defense system, that's deterrence. 100 leaders is a clearly defined goal. achieving real retribution and justice that must be carried out in this situation kill those who did it, kill those who did it, exactly 100 people or not, but those people in hamas who can be reached, come in , do it, i think the united states must help them with intelligence, i think the us can help with what can be called a diplomatic iron dome, let israel implement this to completely secure itself without interference from the un or other countries, to attract allies. for data exchange, such support that does not require our military

presence. israel is capable of this, massad is capable of this. think about the munich olympics 2:0. something like this is achievable. it is right, just and morally justified. and anyone on the left here in europe or anywhere else who rejects this? no. israel is defending itself as they have the right to do. punishing those who did it. punishing specifically those who did this, exactly like that. this seems like a pretty obvious solution. and it looks like it's within the realm of possibility. the state of israel and we could if i could help with this and this is an achievable victory, and i would even think about the next step in achieving this, i don’t think it would be crazy for israel to think about some unconventional... approaches, i think i can i'll quickly ask a question, has anyone suggested this, it seems such an obvious solution, as far as i know, no, why? i think there is a culture of fear in the united states right now, i'm talking about the culture here in the us, yes, we are all sure that you, like me, share the emotional reaction to those terrible

events that happened in israel , but i think the emotional reaction is what makes everyone talk about...' everyone wants to talk about whether there will be condemnation of student groups making stupid statements here or leaving millions of dollars in humanitarian aid there, i i see republicans rushing to analyze the mosquitoes on the elephant's tail, not to mention the elephant in the room itself, but it's just obvious that if we believe someone has committed murder, we find that person and punish them, right, so that seems the most obvious solution, i think there are some people in the us who are so bloodthirsty, who actually have nothing to do with this conflict, who may want to use this conflict as a pretext to achieve their goal, namely to resume a large-scale regional war in the middle east, which they have we haven't been around since iraq and afghanistan, these are cynical forces that exist in some

circles in the us, but i can't say why others aren't asking questions about what exactly our plan of action is, what answers interests of the united states, what exactly will we... support or not support in relation to israel, and how can this positively affect israel making the right decision? but i think here's the main principle: pursue those responsible with an achievable goal, and whether metaphorically or literally put their heads on stakes, make sure we have clear deterrents so that this doesn't happen again. and then i think israel has options to radically change the situation, which means you are not defending hamas, certainly. the things people write on the internet horrify me, but hamas is a terrorist group, it deserves full responsibility for its vile actions, it was barbaric, it's medieval, i believe that a direct response to hamas' actions is for justice 100% morally justified, and as president of the united states, if i were in office, i would provide israel with all possible

diplomatic air cover to ensure that they do what is necessary, because i also care about the interests of the united states, i do not want, for the american military... to fall into the trap of a war in the middle east, towards which we are moving like sleepwalkers, which will be bad not only for the united states, but probably also for israel? i think there are broader regional issues that we need to address , one of the hidden issues here is iran's nuclear capability, if i or any of us had clear answers on exactly how to stop iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, we wouldn't be talking about this now, but i think the company is putting maximum pressure on iran, speaking of economics, until they completely abandon nuclear weapons, this is a reasonable point for discussion. i think we can avoid some of the stupid things we've done before along the way. remember the debate surrounding the transfer of nuclear technology to saudi arabia. why would anyone want this at all, since saudi arabia, which has one of the richest energy reserves in the world, clearly does not need

nuclear power plants, which means these technologies are used to create nuclear weapons. why do the saudis even need to have nuclear weapon? nuclear technology, we did something like 27 deals with 43 countries, saudi arabia didn't want to accept the normal terms of that transfer because they require oversight to make sure you don't use them for military purposes. it's not just about biden , that is, biden's idiocy is high, but there are republicans who agree with him that as a condition for involving saudi arabia in an expanded diplomatic deal with israel, we were going to propose. saudi arabia's security guarantees. moreover, we were going to offer this nuclear transfer on different terms from the historical terms of civilian nuclear transfers , the purpose of which was to contain iran. but in fact, if you look at it from the other side, we had, i’m not saying that there was a convenient balance of power, but there was something similar to a balance of power. we're talking about

the events of this summer, it's an uncomfortable topic, but we can't just dismiss the possibility that the two things are completely unrelated. after all, just when we stuck our nose into this... in my opinion, a terrible idea for a deal saudi arabia, and i think many in israel would agree, that the transfer of nuclear technology to saudi arabia under such special conditions and security guarantees, this should not necessarily be what is required to encourage saudi arabia to reconcile with israel, in a sense we would just poked their nose in, tipped the balance of power if the saudi deal had gone through, and then 2 months later we see this horrific attack, so i think there are... such complex factors involved that we can no longer consider the possibility of achieving the goals outlined in the process, all the funds saved from a war that we can avoid, you know what israel and the us could spend it on, on protecting their own... borders, this was a border crisis of historical proportions, this there was a failure of national defense, i completely agree, could happen in israel , could happen here, and it happens and

happens regularly, yes, but just to step back a little, the idea that we would in any way contribute to a nuclear program in any country, especially in saudi arabia, it's so destabilizing and crazy , it shows that people have lost their awe of nuclear weapons, i 'm watching... people on tv on the internet, seeming to blithely talk about the possibility of using nuclear weapons in this conflict , yesterday i heard about it five times. do we agree that anyone who talks so loudly about the possible use of nuclear weapons is obligated? you have to be mentally ill to say that, who are these people? either that or that deep, bad informed about what the consequences will be for the united states. i can't speak for the mental state of some of these people. who view saudi arabia's acquisition of nuclear weapons or the consequences of their use in this way. people say: the conflict can become nuclear,

will some launch missiles, others will become nuclear? people will die, i mean, the consequences of this cannot be foreseen, but one can assume, yes, this is what disappoints me in our position, the views that i voice from a political point of view, many people they advised me that this is not a tama that should be raised. i think someone needs to step forward to ask the questions that others are afraid of, what are the consequences of the biggest event that is about to happen? if israel starts a ground war in gaza, what would presumably be the next step in the conflict? and there will be no clearly defined goal. what are the consequences for israel, we ask this as friends. what are the consequences for the states, we ask as americans. i think there is a better way. there may be many ways to do this, but we don't let's get to them before they do. real free discussion on the merits, i think there is something, especially in the republican party, related to the culture of looking at

this issue, that has really stifled this discussion. the experience that i had the first time i met you, i don't know if you remember this, when i wrote my first book, then i was the ceo of my pharmaceutical company, george floyd died in the country, madness began and there were questions that could not be raised regarding race relations and the like in 2020. i remember what it was like, it was a speech-stifling environment where certain issues were not allowed to be discussed, and many on the left called me a racist, trying to stop open debate because i believed in meritocracy regardless of skin color, the situation seems similar but a little different, now isolationist has become the new racist, a new label to call you, that and the like. there are many such labels to keep people silent, i mean, a supporter of hamas is funny, an opponent of israel is funny, but to use this to

stifling substantive discussion, whether it comes from the left or the right, is, i think, the highest form of anti-americanism. yeah, i gotta say, if you're being attacked for asking what's good for the united states, asking it as an american who wants to lead the country, if that's considered out of line, if you're for... believing that it was lies, we would like to believe that this was a transitional stage associated with one person, while this is a broader vision that goes beyond any individual, it's just common sense, if you live here, first place, but it's your job, yes, it's a moral duty, it's a little strange that... people choose sides, the capitol was invaded by these crazy hamas supporters

, and other people take a pro-israel position, but i haven't heard anyone say, well , i have views on all this, and i like israel better than hamas, but ultimately i'm pro-america, it's kind of a natural position for americans, i think it's more credible position for americans and not only towards the people at home, it is the moral duty of an american leader, it is also more convincing, because... if you are one of america's friends abroad and you say: “i support you unconditionally, regardless of my national interests ". even if i were in israel and heard this from an american, it does not ring true. obviously this is not the case. we talked about ukraine like this. don't believe us when we say this, it's nonsense. and our opponents, i think we can carry out sharper red lines. if we're just honest about the fact that american leaders must act. the national interests of the united states, and the fact that this has become controversial, i think, shows how far our foreign policy establishment has gone astray, but it

can be corrected. yes thank you. i apologize for any trouble this

will cause you, thank you. let's translate from clerical to understandable, everything is not

so scary if there are instructions. first middle east prime and benjamin netanyahu held telephone conversations with the french president and the dutch prime minister ahead of their visits next week. in addition, netanyahu spoke by phone with biden, as the us president noted, the two communication leaders on the issue of conducting a ground operation in gaza. new details are emerging about a possible operation in the palestinian sector. here is the statement from the israeli ministry of defense. the operation must be the last, even if it takes months, and hamas

must be completely destroyed. but about that