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a family thing for us and winning great prizes. details on this. rf. studio 5 is on the air, i’m anton potkovenko, let’s get started. from the state of affairs on the front of the internal political situation in ukraine in the context of the confrontation between zelsky and zaluzhny, according to many analysts, this confrontation is escalating, this is fuel to the fire that called, added elon musk, a fragment of his audio conference is circulating on social networks, where he praises zaluzhny, says that he soberly looks at what is happening, what is really happening and values ​​​​people's lives, and zelsky has long been living in his reality as a butcher. end of quote. well, the idealization of zaluzhny certainly looks strange, at least in the context of the meat assaults that the ukrainian armed forces carried out. however, according to experts, there are two, so to

speak, strategies, this is zelsky, who insists on a suicidal counter-offensive that has already failed, and zaluzhny, who rather gravitates toward defense. discuss these aspects... with andrei kortopolov, the chairman of the state duma defense committee is now joining the fifth studio. andrey valerievich, i greet you. yes , good morning, please analyze these approaches, what is called zelsky for a counter-offensive, zaluzhny, rather for some kind of defensive strategy, and is this even true? well, probably, it’s literally impossible to compare, it’s necessary to evaluate it here understand the following, firstly, zaluzhny is still a military professional, and he , unlike zelsky, clearly understands what makes up the success of certain operations, and zelsky is a showman who got into politics, and

for him, in his such an expansive manner of conveying the material, in the foreground, they do not agree on this, if we take , indeed, an analysis of the capabilities of the armed forces of ukraine, then today they are exhausted for carrying out large-scale offensive operations, they simply do not exist, because in order to attack the enemy on one or more selected directions, an appropriate one must be created. there should be a superiority over the enemy by three times, in breakthrough areas there should be 5-6 times, and this is not one-time, it is on an ongoing basis, the necessary reserves of ammunition, materiel must be created, today

there is nothing of this, and even the nature of the conduct of hostilities that we see directly. pulls, so zaluzhny knows how to calculate it all, and he sees that if they don’t now switch to tough positional defense, then they will most likely lose not only everything that they supposedly captured there, in quotes, liberated, during their famous counterattack, they will lose much more, and this is unacceptable to zelsky, he cannot do it all. to withdraw, not so much to his people, for whom he has not cared for a long time, but to his western partners, he needs to show success, he needs to show that he is in trend, that he is in the know, that he is in demand, and his demand is on today, too , tends to zero, as are the offensive

capabilities of the armed forces of ukraine as a whole, so the conflict will develop, it is so permanent, but the americans, i think, will not allow it to be brought to a hot stage there, it is not very profitable for them, so they will...' and slightly heat one, and support the other on the contrary, and so this is a balance between these two zz, and just continuing this topic, the support of the states, and in general the attitude of the states towards zelensky, in particular kiev, yes, cnn reports that the us senate voted for a bill to finance the work of the american government, which does not include additional assistance and ukraine and israel and soon this document will be sent to joe biden, this is how you can evaluate such a step by the american senate, what does this mean, that is, ukraine is left without money, after all? no, this is not entirely, it means, then the point

is that they were on the verge of a shutdown, they adopted budgets for 2 months, if we approved them yesterday in the second reading. tomorrow we will consider it in the third reading, then they were honored only for 2 months, because well, they don’t have any more opportunities now. plan something somehow further, and then they will see how they can get out of this situation, so of course, they are such burdensome things, they just dropped this option of a short budget, but firstly, they have a lot of opportunities to do this not openly , through the budget, but through closed articles of the same pentagon, the cia and other departments, and secondly, they, in general, may not provide support with money. what they do is directly with ammunition, weapons, material resources,

so there is no need for such special optimism, they will continue to feed the zelsky regime, here keeping it at a stage so that it does not collapse, they already understand that it is not capable of winning, no matter what anyone says, but they cannot let it collapse right now, so... they will will be supported for some time. i can’t help but ask about the statement, which was actively discussed, the statement by kuleba, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, confirmed that the european union will not be able to fulfill the plan to supply a million artillery shells to kiev before march of twenty-four, and there in in this statement, he had such formulations, they say, the pathetic state of the defense industry in europe, and he also complained about the significant bureaucracy of the european side, in your opinion, to what extent, so to speak, to believe here,

everything is really so bad for them, or maybe expectations kiev were very inflated, or the promises were excessive, and most importantly, is ukraine facing a shell famine, or maybe it is already coming, just now the news is coming, the international media are reporting that there are 10 times fewer shells than during the defense of bakhmut, well, artyomovsk, and the offensive in the south, at the moment this is about... these people wanted a lot, we must always proceed from real possibilities, today real possibilities, first of all european, military industrial complex, they are limited.

without refreshing ammunition, they will send everything to ukraine, but they also cannot allow this, because the situation is not easy, so they will no longer give everything away, as they did, but as for: with industry, well, our industry is ready, it is deployed at full capacity, now we have ammunition production, it is quite, quite comparable with there in forty-four, forty-five years, when there was the greatest rise of the red army during the great patriotic war. andrei valevich, just about our industry, as they say, you anticipated my question, in the twelfth package of sanctions the european union wants to ban the export to russia of machine tools and equipment that, in the opinion of

the west, our country uses to create weapons, i’m quoting bloomberg, and they also plan to ban the export of chemicals, batteries, thermostats, engines for unmanned aerial vehicles, liquid propane, they plan to ban some types of cast iron, copper, aluminum wires, foil, tubes, pipes, in general, these... please tell me, we can handle it, if there is such, so to speak , similar bans, this is more of a populist step on the part of the west, you know, here they are in these latest packages, they are no longer they know what else to ban, we have already seen and heard when they forbade russian citizens to import shampoo and so on, so on, this is something like this from this opera, firstly, machines have not been supplied to us for quite a long time, not even since

march twenty-two, they had already stopped supplying before, well, our industry worked and continues to work, firstly, but not just the west alone, in general, there are other countries, other directions where you can buy these machines, and there is, strictly speaking , our machine tool industry, which is now experiencing, well, such a good renaissance, after all, in the nineties it took a long time to persuade us... but you don’t need your own machine tool industry, we will give you everything, there, you can buy it cheap, well, why, now we understand why, here i am - i have been to many enterprises - in moscow, in komsomolsk-on-amur, in st. petersburg, defense industry enterprises, there already a significant share of the machine park is made up of machines manufactured in russia, they may not look as shiny and beautiful there as analogues are western, but believe me, they produce products that are almost

worse quality, that's one, two, and as for the tubes and wires, in principle, we should have stopped exporting the same copper in these ingots and ingots a long time ago, aluminum in ingots, we need to do all this ourselves and let they buy copper wire from us, buy aluminum tubes from us, they will still come with an outstretched hand, well, let’s see how interested we will be in selling all this to them, i will emphasize once again that today our industry is, first of all, the defense-industrial complex. deployed to full power, provided with everything necessary, and is doing everything so that our armed forces do not lack anything, this is one and two, the budget that we adopted yesterday, i will return to it again, because 36.8% of this budget, that’s all , as for national security and defense, including the development of the military-industrial complex, and the defense industry is

the locomotive of the entire industry, therefore... i ’m not worried about our economy as a whole and about our industry, everything will be fine, returning to the situation in ukraine, about the f-16, of course, i want to talk, f-16 fighters from the netherlands, they arrived in romania, they have not yet been redirected to ukraine , reports began to appear in the ukrainian media that our falcons, well, their falcons, in quotes, have already flown and themselves the ukrainian media refute it and government officials there refute it, saying that no... no falcons have arrived yet, training has not yet begun, they are only building a center, a flight center, there is a runway and something like that, please tell me, in your opinion, what kind -then forecasts, maybe yes, when f16 will appear at the front, well, if they do appear, and most importantly, well, we have something to meet them with, well, the most important thing is that we

have something to meet them with, so no matter when they appear, they are unlikely to appear earlier spring - they won’t cause any problems, firstly, well, they’re pathetic , about two to three dozen planes - that’s the maximum they can supply, they don’t solve anything, because in order to gain air superiority, hundreds of planes are required , no one will give them this, they don’t have those capabilities, including in training pilots, you understand further, because it’s one thing, takeoff and landing, took off, flew in a circle and landed, and another thing, the use of the entire complex of on-board weapons, yes, these planes, they are not the latest modifications, but no less, this is a completely different machine than the same mik-29 or su-27, which ukrainian

pilots could fly on, in order to learn how to use the entire complex of... this airborne weaponry, but already for many years, no one will give it to them, but the most important thing is that our the air defense system, our fighter aircraft have been waiting for a long time, you know, because our pilots turned out to be so slightly deprived in matters of fighting western equipment, if these guys, tankers, artillerymen, riflemen, they already have leopards and bradleys on their account, and challenge. whoever is there, the pilots have somehow been unlucky so far, but i think they will be lucky, but by the way, just yesterday they shot down another western donetsk mik-29, before that last week there were five of them v

day they were shot down, by the way, there was a unique case when one of the ukrainian fighters was shot down at an altitude of about 5 m, it was almost landing at the airfield, so let the migratory birds fly in the form of f16, we are waiting for them, andrei valevich, you know, here during our conversation, a question arose for me, copters, yes, which have really become such, well, new weapons , massive, mass use of unmanned aerial vehicles, including from the armed forces of ukraine, i understand correctly that you were just talking about our , which accordingly, they serve to control this with this technique, we have mastered and counteraction, we have mastered, as it were , with the means that we had there, armor, tors, yes, that is, as if what we had... initially and not only what -innovative technologies, so to speak, here can counter drones and which need to be developed there, and yes, but the weapons that we had, they are quite effective now, i understand correctly, you

understand absolutely correctly, moreover, today, here are our armed forces, they occupy absolute primacy in the use of various types of unmanned aerial vehicles, ranging from multi-wing to attack ones, so not a single... army today can use these so-called drones in such volumes, in such quantities with such efficiency as the russian armed forces federation. please tell me about this, continuing the topic of aviation, so to speak. regarding the testing of the new strategic bomber, the b-21, these tests were carried out in the states, what can be said about them, in the sense that the first flight was made in the states, how do they look at these tests with cautious optimism, but how do we look at these tests, what kind of bomber is this, well, again, the question of countermeasures

if something happens? well, i understand their cautious optimism, they have spent huge amounts of budget money, so why not be happy? there the price of one plane is somewhere around 500-550 million dollars. the price is generally serious, and in terms of its characteristics and technical characteristics, it is not very different from its t2 prototype. they're hiding it for now, of course. how much the bomb load has been increased, but it has definitely not been increased many times over, then they say that this b-21, it can use new types of weapons, including hypersonic ones, but they don’t yet have this one for armament... there is no hypersound, not ground-based, much less airborne, so this is all talk again for the american people, so that they don’t cry too much about their money, which

the pentagon and its subsidiaries have mastered, even if you compare, for example, the characteristics, and look, i'm now i will tell you the characteristics of this b-21 of our tu-160, but not the latest modification, but its basic modification, here is the cruise speed of the b-21,750 km/h, of the tu-160 2,000, their maximum altitude is 15 km, ours 16 km, flight range of the b-21, 11,000, tu-160-13,200, maximum speed on the ground 1010 km, for the american, 1030. for us, well, and most importantly, i say again, it costs 550 mil for them, ours costs 16 billion rubles at the current exchange rate, about 150 million is several times less, that’s

what they boast about, that his is 20% lower visibility than this, again, b2, listen, but this is a strategic bomber, it differs significantly in tasks from strategic ones. he does not need to carry tens of tons of bombs on himself in order to simply pour them out over enemy targets or areas. modern bombers don’t work like that, they use high -precision airborne weapons , long-range, so all they boast about is this visibility; in principle, they don’t really need it, because they won’t break through the anti-aircraft system defense, and if they are used on the territory of a hypothetical enemy, then when he practically no longer has

the opportunity to resist, because today our bomber aircraft do not enter the zone of destruction of the remnants of the ukrainian air defense there, but work effectively, so let them further develop money, they have a lot of it, they have nowhere to put it. andrei valevich, you know, i also wanted to ask you to comment on the very interesting military exercises in germany, indeed such a scenario means that there is a certain region, well, according to legend teachings, altraverda in translation is an old land, where ethnic germans seem to predominantly live, and this region, as if according to legend, is part of a certain visland, meaning poland, in fact, in this means altraverda, unrest begins, there is a question autonomy rises. iceland is sending troops there, and the bundeswehr , accordingly, is moving forward to protect the german minority, the german population, please tell me, do such exercises mean that berlin will be in this way. maybe

exploring the possibility of returning control over the region of silesia, and silesia was historically part of the german empire , in which case such a scenario can be realized, in general, which means such actions on the part of berlin, so to speak, well, not only slesia, the extinction was also part of germany, which, according to the results of the pozdam conference , went to poland, there actually 75 lands went to poland, the soviet union gave it to them to the poles, they don’t want to remember it, this is the famous city of danzeck, and many others, so if they think that the germans have forgotten, the germans are not forgot, and if possible, they will definitely

try to return their historical lands, well, if i were the poles , i would strain, to be honest, at least he would ask them, or within nato, for what purpose they are conducting such an exercise, let are sorting it out, andreevich, you and i literally have a minute and a half left there, i also know, i wanted to ask you, in the context of the negotiations between pin and joe biden, which took place, which are being discussed, naturally, there, in particular, from biden’s side there was a statement that the parties resume military contacts and said that the united states should support the inevitable peaceful reunification of china and stop supplying weapons to taiwan, how do these positions, in your opinion, affect strategic security, so to speak , well, you know, here are the chinese leaders of all times, they - they explain and express themselves with such an eye on the long term.

if we translate this into such understandable language, then chairman xi told mr. biden that taiwan will still be chinese, no matter what the united states does, these are these military contacts are being resumed in order to notify the united states when china deems it necessary to resolve this issue, that's all. everything else is such a diplomatic fog, and then biden’s attempt to somehow present this as another victory for america, its greatness, again, that’s the very thing in quotes, what can you do, you can only dream about past greatness, all this is in the past united states, yes, considering, he called, called

sinzinpin a dictator, in the sense that he is the guy who runs the country, based on a form of government that is completely different from ours, end of quote , biden’s phrase, and the prc foreign ministry has already responded that this is an irresponsible statement, and china resolutely opposes political manipulation, well, in general, the assessment is unequivocal from the side of the celestial empire. thank you very much, andrei valerievich, thank you for your detailed comment, the chairman of the state duma committee on defense andrei kortopolov was in touch with us, we discussed the current international agenda, the internal political situation in ukraine in the context confrontation zelsky zaluzhny. this was the fifth studio. see you.

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