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studio is on the air, i'm anton potkovenko, we're talking about decade of the maidan, on november 21, 2013, the same events took place, those same mass protests according to the scenario of the so-called color revolution, which ultimately led to a bloody coup d'etat in ukraine to the geopolitical catastrophe in which this country is currently located , the current state of ukraine, the reasons we will discuss maidan with oleg tsarev, he is visiting our studio today as a deputy of the verkhovna rada of ukraine from 2002-14. hello, olatolievich. so, if we talk about the current state, first, yes, well, which naturally inextricably linked with what happened then 10 years ago, this is what modern ukraine has come to, one of the markers, so to speak, the us department of finance literally stated the day before that ukraine is completely

dependent on the help of the americans and their allies. this is almost a direct quote from a cnbc interview. so maybe this was one of the goals of the maidan on the part of the west, to create a state completely dependent on them, yes, and in order to turn it into such a training ground for political and military experiments to create a point of tension for russia. even during the maidan, i came to moscow and met with those responsible for ukraine here in the presidential administration. the russian federation said that maidan is not a ukrainian story , that is, it is ukrainian, but not about ukraine, it is a story about russia, so we need to get involved as much as possible, because ukraine will be made a toran against russia and it won’t work, so some thought, indeed, i was on air during the maidan, and the senator is here same. from the federation council, he tells me, well

, maidan, and you have maidan in ukraine all the time, you, you will now still have a new president, he will come, he will. ask for discounts, steal gas, and we in russia will still be fine, and i said, we need to get involved urgently, we have to, because everything will end very badly, unfortunately, it was visible there, because the ideology, the ideology of the maidan , it was an anti-russian ideology, an anti-russian ideology, a russian, yes, an anti-russian ideology, and it arose because that, because yanukovych did not sign association agreement, yanukovych went to china, immediately after that, he just decided that he would not sign the association agreement, he flew to china, the agricultural programs that biden lobbied for,

these are the largest corporations that were supposed to come in to buy ukrainian land, all this already happened, under yanukovych it all started and he went and said that no, we will work better with the chinese, for them it was a disaster, and third, this was the trip of dmitry oragozinan immediately after the association agreement didn't sign dmitry orogozin arrived, and a whole series of programs, along with the lending of 20 billion dollars that russia issued so that it was not just money, this money should have gone to support the economy at the beginning of general programs, in almost every one of us region there had to be some kind of anchor program that would pull the entire region forward, this was the joint construction of aircraft, in kirovograd the construction

of a nuclear fuel enrichment plant, in nikolaev the construction of ships, a program for umz communications with with space, i don’t remember everything, but there were about a dozen programs prescribed where russia, together with ukraine, began to produce, and this would give such an effect that if all this really started, it would boost the economy of ukraine and russia too, only then it would be impossible to divide, there would be such an increase in prosperity, places, i remember, at that time, we were watching the news from russia and vladimir vladimirovich putin was pumping up how the money was allocated and not used for the army there, for military programs, not built

ships, planes, in ukraine there were factories and specialists from the soviet era who were waiting for these orders, we would of course do it together. that's why they hastily started the maidan very correctly said, when i remember one of the first interviews of vladimir putin, he said that the maidan had to be turned around, they were not unprepared, they started, they were preparing, they were preparing , but they were preparing, they made television, internet television for this, they worked on it, again this is a technical program. which they were preparing for the maidan, but it’s them they were preparing for the maidan, which was supposed to happen during the elections of yanukovych, the strategy was to bring down yanukovych anyway, they wanted to sign an association agreement, enter the land market, enter the ukrainian economy,

then exchange yanukovych with the maidan for some, well, their puppet, with whom they would, in general, continue to build ukraine, but due to the fact that... what i talked about happened, they were forced to start preparing to start the maidan right now and immediately. and so you mentioned about european integration, yes, yes, about agreement, about everything else, then, in fact, it was such a carrot, as it were, or a hook, yes, that kiev wants to join the european union, kiev still wants to join the european union, well, it’s logical to ask, in the european union they seem to be waiting, like kiev, yes, kiev thinks that yes, in fact, well... i was just one of those who very actively fought against the association agreement, it was generally a stone, this is the foundation, what was supposed to tear ukraine away , we, for our own money, ukraine had to shift the railway to a different

track, a huge amount, in general give the economy under, provide, you know, they used to fight for land. for the market, we should have simply surrendered to the west for free, we translated it into russian, the association agreement, i... actively spoke inside ukraine, sergei glazev worked here as an adviser, he turned to vladimir vladimirovich putin, he gave instructions , work began in the ministry and jointly with ukraine, the agreement was not signed, and why, because ukraine would have then, that is, we surrendered - the west is entirely in

hands, and besides, they beckoned with gingerbread, i had, uh, a joint broadcast with fule , i tell him, he says, what are you against, you say, you always oppose the association agreement, he says, you are against freedom words, against the courts working well, against freedom, i say, you know, let's separate the flies from the cutlets, let's do this, here are all your recommendations that you give for all the good things that you said, we will do it all, but let ’s not participate economically, i say, well, we’re actually surrendering to slavery, yes, but economics is the basis, he was the one who waved his hands at me, this thought excites him so much, that is, these are these things... that is, these are things that are so attractive, but in fact they are deep, there

are only calculations, exclusively money, exclusively interests, yes, business interests, then there was a coup d’etat, moving on to the current situation , but does it seem that zelsky is afraid of a coup now, you mentioned in one of the interviews, including with us, a military coup, this... well, this is unlikely to be a maidan in the sense when people go out, light bonfires, hold rallies, make a stage, sing songs, that is , it will be a coup, that is, that is, so that it is not quiet elimination, he removed from the post of the head of the special operations forces, forces, operations, because the children would have come, they would have simply eliminated him, yes, quietly, the guards would not have made

peace with them, they have all the skills to do this do, and now zelsky will remove the generals, because his army is a threat, elections, he canceled the elections, he can be removed only through a coup, this is what he is afraid of, and let’s just say that the fact that he... is afraid is indicated by the fact that he is starting to dismiss people who can carry out coups, well, his latest statement that russia is preparing a third maidan, such , this all suggests that this has become an obsession with him, he is really afraid, and in order to give it its due, such risks really exist, yes, zelsky has already begun to appear in the tabloids, yes, that is, the level of the press, where he appears in the sun just like that this story is about the fact that there were supposedly attempts on his life and everything else, that is

, the very level of rhetoric is also shifting a little into the yellow press there, but there is an underlying reason behind this, but it means that his inner fear is this like a coup in ukraine, please tell me, if we talk about the reasons for the maidan again, it’s clear that this is a huge complex story, from the point of view of ideology, and what it has become now is what it is... now the kiev regime is the same neo-nazism, that same one russophobia is fierce, that’s where it turns out, it’s, well, it was kind of cultivated, and it took many years, yes, that ’s where they found some clues, it turns out western, well, relatively speaking, curators, yes, so that to cultivate this, what did they take advantage of, what were the prerequisites, where was this basis, was it found in order to cultivate such nazism, well, as vladimir putin rightly says, he says differently in different interviews, he says: either ukraine, either fraternal people, or this

one and the same people, we are all russian, let’s say this doesn’t change the essence, in fact it ’s the same thing, but it’s true in the nineties, when the soviet union collapsed, we all considered ourselves the same, well, i’m russian by nationality, but i lived in ukraine, everyone around me thought that this was one country artificially divided, how did they manage to do something like this. they speak russian, in rural areas they speak surzhik, and each has its own surzhik, somewhere closer to polish, somewhere closer to russian, and a lot, a lot of work has been spent, i want to say that in order for the maidan to be a success, colossal efforts were made, and many times it hung by a thread; if

the right actions had been taken, the maidan would have been unsuccessful, we would have won. in the same way, in order to tear ukraine away from russia , a tremendous amount of work was done, i, well, in order to quarrel one or fraternal peoples, it was necessary to spend a lot of force, i saw how it was done, it began with that they worked in several directions, one of them was the special services, when... when still under in my opinion, krovchuk or kuchma, i just got into parliament, ukraine was offered to participate in the un troops, well, of course, that was all then , we must be independent, of course, all countries and we , too, and the united states sent a team

that selected those who would be trained, then there are those people who were there to... most of this team were ssr , they interviewed military personnel and selected those who know english, those who are capable of leading leadership qualities, well, with whom you can work, they are on study there too they were recruited, 90% returned recruited, so the counterintelligence department and gur were initially maximally saturated with cia agents, then nalyvaichenko led a whole network into the sbu, organized, recruitment, that

is, they worked for the special services, they worked through... mit the consular officers recruited them very heavily, and mead was always working in the interests of the united states, they worked with non-governmental organizations, i just i once wrote a detailed article that the ngos themselves used to get a grant, i described in such detail who should be approached, how everything should be done... the step -by-step procedure that they printed it out , used it as a training manual, i had an officer i knew who was monitoring, well, his task on the part of ukraine was to monitor this activity, and he cried, said, oleg, i can’t do anything, they will be bloody , it will be a revolution, he says, i’m reporting to the leadership, they’re not doing anything, and

he told me this whole thing, and i wrote a whole manual, you know, in the most... remote, in the most remote place in in the rural area there was at least a representative, but not a government organization, a huge, monstrous number of grants, small, small grants, the point is that there is no need to carry out some gigantic events, where, here, you need from a thousand to 3, to 10,000 per year , you need to allocate no more to one person, he will make 100,000, he will even make a pretty penny for a ruble. every fourth grant was checked by the united states embassy, ​​everyone who received grants, everyone who received training, they made sure that they were moving up the career ladder, every elections, the ambassador of the united states went to the next president of ukraine and said: please include these as deputies, make these governors, deputy governors, they

formed an elite, and this elite then made the maidan. thank you, thank you very much. oleg anatolyevich, yes, uh, we talked with the deputy of the verkhovna rada of ukraine in 2002-14, oleg tsarev, about the preconditions of the maidan about the destructive work that the west carried out until the thirteenth year and, of course, after in ukraine. now advertising, then we will continue. renstop helps fight the runny nose at an affordable price. each has its own renap. open your first deposit at financial services with a rate of up to 17% for 6 months. download. if you have already spent half an evening choosing a movie

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we continue to discuss the decade of maidan and its consequences, which the whole world knows, these consequences are perceived differently everywhere. now the connection with the fifth studio is mykola azarov, prime minister of ukraine in 2010-14. nikolai yayanovich, hello. good afternoon. so. i’ll probably ask the following question: what do you see as the main consequences of the maidan, for ukraine, if we talk from the thirteenth to, say, twenty-second year, how did

the coup d'etat affect... and the maidan was precisely a coup d'etat, but on the economy, on education, on social life, on the standard of living of people, what has ukraine come to? i can name a few numbers, although i wanted to start with this, this day, because it was 10 years ago, this day was perfectly etched in my memory, and i couldn’t even think about it, because it was on this day that the final decision was made , me as president, we met in boryspil, early in the morning and it was finally decided the decision that today, that is, 10 years ago, the government should get together and make a decision to postpone the signing of the agreement, because there was only a week left before the eu summit in vilnius, i could not even imagine that this state government would lead to such catastrophic consequences revolution, well, a few numbers

, say, coal production, and i warned about this, by the way, speaking on television during the maidan period, it fell by more than 15 times, they produced about 90 million, now about, about 5.8 million, well that is about 6 million steel was smelted about 40 million tons, now it’s about 6 million tons , well, you can call such numbers and then there will be more, industry is destroyed, well, imagine 25 million people, it’s just that they just left the country, 25 million people, this is a catastrophic figure, the mortality rate is the highest in europe in the world, by the way, the birth rate has fallen by 2.2 times, well, what else, what other numbers can we name in order to understand the depth of the tragedy of the people, who, of course, do not understand this zelsky, but he

remained the same as a clown but it doesn't understand unfortunately, the population is zombified, because now all these years, at the very least, the west has supported it with money, and now it is supporting it with colossal donations. i recently read a certificate from one of the european union commissions, which analyzed the contributions of the member countries of the union, and they added the americans there , japanese 233 miles. in this ukrainian regime, well, in different ways, there with the supply of weapons, the supply of various equipment, well, that is , the provision took over entirely, for example, the system went out of order some kind of transformer, the european union is racking its brains about where to find this transformer, some cables are broken , the european union is supplying cables, that is, 233 billion litas for, well, not yet a full

2 ​​years, this is a lot of money, just a lot of money , if earlier, let’s say, biden demanded the removal of the prosecutor general, shokin from poroshenko, but he famously spoke about it himself, it is known, so to speak, these conversations were for a billion dollars, so he told him directly, which means you can’t remove shokin, that means i won’t give you this billion, we’re talking about billions, but there was no military conflict with russia, as soon as the conflict began, 233 billion. now what about you, that these 23 3 billion were paid. maybe they built some kind of bridge, maybe they built an airport, maybe a school, maybe hospital. by the way, from the 10th to the thirteenth year we commissioned 1.11 kindergartens. can you imagine this figure? the number of children's places has been increased by 260,000 places. in

kindergartens, that is, the country was developing and the government was thinking about mortality, about fertility, in the thirteenth year we finally have reached almost parity between mortality and birth rates, that is, the demographic situation has begun to more or less stabilize, so to speak, and this is one of the most important indicators of the country’s development, if the population is declining, how can the country develop, who can answer this simple question for me? there is... degradation as managers, well, some were simply destroyed , some were imprisoned, so to speak, some of whom left the country themselves, that is, there is no managerial class by and large, all sorts of swindlers and crooks, whom this zelsky recruited into his entourage, well who can name at least one person who had the slightest understanding of economics, some guys, brechologists and swindlers, i ’m saying this with