next on air is the documentary film holy war about the religious reasons for ukrainian radical nationalism. for 346 1991

to us in sheep's clothing, inside they are ravenous wolves. all of today's ukraine is dotted with such graves, with the inscriptions "temchesovanny slave hero of ukraine", that is, a temporarily unidentified hero of ukraine, buried on september 5, 2014, and these are all volunteers, these were all not conscripts who came to fight in donbass, they even sign themselves, that these were volunteers, so they came to donbass, donbass is not for anyone

came, and they came, here is another hero of the national battalions, on the back they painted their coats of arms of their units , they have it written, for a reason, for them, as you can see, the aidarov man is buried, and besides, the inscription is not allowed to work, the dead are not shameful they have the same thing is impossible on the other side, on the other side it is of course impossible, they are all destroying the patutin, they destroyed the monument and the grave, they are destroying the heroes of our great patriotic war veterans, they are breaking the graves, they are breaking memorial plaques, they will soon break all the mass graves, but here, you see, these are our enemies, how to say donbass, who came to kill us, well, you see, the graves are untouched, not even doused and there are no inscriptions on them, there are no offensive inscriptions, on the maidan there is their verse, which... they wrote, here’s

mom, sorry for the black scarf, mom, forgive me for the black scarf, because now you will always be alone, i love you and i love ukraine , like you, i had one, this is a verse of the maidan, this, by the way, was a verse of the heavenly hundred, all the national battalions are buried , aidarovtsy, aidarovtsy, right sector. i worked 30 years in the zones combat operations, that's what i always take with me, in my camera bag, i have the camera itself, batteries, tape, cards, that means my kit for filming, i also take cigarettes, headache pills, wet

wipes, well you know, to wash my face somehow, sometimes with chewing gum, i also have icons with me, not so long ago a shell landed here, right? yes, this is the same road, now it is a little broken. there are a lot of drones here, you have to hide so as not to get hit. i watched the news in london on

tv, bbc, itv, american. and remember, after 8 months of hostilities, i have not seen a single interview with russian soldiers here in ukraine, with real soldiers who are on duty, not a single interview, and after 30 years of working in hot spots, i think it’s fair to say, that the coverage of this conflict in the western media is very one-sided, which is why i wanted to come here. that's the first reason, everyone only sees one side, and i think that's dangerous. and what’s more interesting is that either biden or putin said this, in general, they agreed that this decade is the most dangerous time since the cuban missile crisis.

since the 90s, when we were still voting for the exit of the soviet union, i explained to everyone, i give the floor to igor’s regiment, they taught us to strangle us one by one, you know, still 10% were only against it, i was in that number, everyone then there was a radio, they were already blurting out for this, from morning to evening, then it is necessary to introduce standards in the army , then this, then that, i won’t tell you what all the people understood, but i understood, i suffered, ukraine’s independence was marked with the defeat of the three dioceses in lviv, ivano-frankivsk and ternopil, the ukrainian greek catholics came out as if from under the field , what the sugars wanted, they were at first, i remember, they were there on the arbat once upon a time, i was studying then, that means i saw, it means, how they stand on the arbat, there is a modest one, there, give us freedom, there, give us there, that means there to pray, there, that means, here, and how these lambs would stand like that, so in petrah, like that, that means, with crosses in their hands, like that, that means, then they suddenly started beating the priests, tearing off locks, as if it means,

to organize some kind of terror and expulsion, this means that the clergy from the acquired villages, as if from the usual parishes , were seized by three dioceses, yes, these are lviv franks, that is, from... ukrainian independence is equal to a war with the church, it is synchronized in time and spiritually united, as it were, that is, this is ukrainian independence, this is to fight with the orthodox church, that is, in its modern form , ukrainian independence, because ukrainian independence in the cossack understanding, it was beat the poles, stay orthodox. that defeat of the orthodox dioceses in lviv, ternopil, and ivano-frankivsk, which took place in the early nineties. on the wave of wild nationalism with the help of the paramilitary organization unso, when orthodox forces were expelled from their churches, when clergy were beaten,

when orthodox shrines were desecrated, this could have been imagined even in the wild middle ages. not to let anyone in, no one, as long as the church existed, as long as the church will

exist, it will be used for political purposes, those events that there are persecutions of the church, seizures of churches, this is an attempt... to break the only connection that exists between russia and ukraine. the entire bandera movement, all ukrainian nationalism, which with the help of western sponsors turned into ukrainian nazism today, which is why demonification is taking place, everything came from the uniate church. uniatism is the main reason for all these processes, that is, the problem is global in that religious discourse is incomprehensible to the majority. and if for example there says what is the reason, where is the button, yes? speaks there in the uniate, he says, i don’t know what it is, in money for money then in the uniate, what is uniatism, uniatism is the legacy of the polish-lithuanian commonwealth, uniatism is an attempt, this is a jesuit project, according to

which the poles dreamed of this on the territory polish-lithuanian kingdom, where there were a huge number of ethnic ukrainians and orthodox christians. they dreamed of bringing all these ukrainians to the catholic faith, uniting them with the roman throne, this is a union, that is, a union, well, a union, a soviet union, a union with whom, with the roman throne, of all orthodox. to facilitate the process, it would be necessary to leave all external differences to the orthodox, only so that by faith and discipline they obey the pope, for example , the polish ksenzbrite and the orthodox bearded man says: leave your beard, we don’t touch the beard, you have water-blessing prayer services there , we don’t seem to have them, leave all your holy water prayer services, as if for the rest, that is, let the form be yours for the convenience of transition, our heart, well as if your boots, as if my soul and you are with me, as if they had a medal knocked out in roman style by the uniatum of 1596 receptis, that is

, the annexed rutens, rusyns, that is, the rusyns united as if with the roman throne, the union, its people did not accept, a series of the most terrible shocks began, which led to the destruction of the polish-lithuanian commonwealth, to the formation of the cossack army, to the union of ukraine with russia, to pereyaslovskaya for the sake of there to a whole fountain of different processes, then the uniadism, it did not disappear, it, it... from huge scale was localized to galicia, in fact, to these galician times, it imagined itself as the custodian of some new historical ukrainian idea , it was through ukraine that the crusades, catholic religious wars took place, catholics stripped to the east, and here, that means, when it was clear that the orthodox population , that is , western ukraine, the so-called red russia. if anyone remembers, it was impossible to change, the cossacks, then it was invented, so on itself,

it means the greek catholic church or the uniate church, in general the war, the first battle was, this is cain abel, as if there were no women, oil, dollars, there were land plots, civil, state borders, as if there was nothing at all that would provoke people to war today, there was a question of spiritual primacy, who the main one, whose sacrifice is more pleasant to god, in general, who is the coolest in the eyes of god, like me or you? in general, well, there was an attempt to somehow force one to live there in my own way, as if i were the eldest there, i am the firstborn, how would you do as i said, in general, war always there are spiritual reasons, it cannot be otherwise, wars happen just like that, for spiritual reasons, then some dollar masses are superimposed there, there are some oil wells, but initially there is still a spiritual component, in general a war with russia, it has always been, one might say, spiritual, why did alexander nevsky choose? it would be better to be with the tatars, with the east, yes, than

with the west, because he knew the insidious goals of the west, for the west, the spiritual identity of our russian people was needed more, that is, they wanted to destroy our faith, that is, the orthodox faith, and how to assimilate ourselves into the catholic faith, europe changed the very soul of the people, destroyed orthodoxy as such, so this is... in general a problem of orthodox peoples, the problem of western influence, western values, penetrate into orthodox countries , and become an alternative to, say, the orthodox church itself, there are people who are quite, let’s say, directed to the west, what is called tailored to the western model, although they are orthodox, while the west was really interested in russia and ukraine being divided into many.

sects, movements, this is a wonderful way to convey the western spirit, change the spirit of the people, question their identity, the west is involved, as i imagine it, quite thoroughly and seriously, but it’s really not russia that deals with church issues there in the united states. actively, but the united states is actively involved in church issues, well, openly, well , of course i’m smart, because we feel good now lives, it was necessary to openly oppose the war in donbass, the church was silent, silent, but it is necessary to answer, tatyana grigorievna, god, right here.

congratulations to lyudmila grigorievna, i’m afraid, i’m afraid of torment, i’m afraid of everything, but you see, if we’re all afraid, we’ll be driven lower, lower, but we’ll die anyway, i’m afraid, i’m afraid of torment, i’m afraid, you know, what i consider a tragedy when i got settled for my first job, as a foreign correspondent in the ussr, when i was 24 and a young journalist, i was then in lithuania, vilnius, there they declared independence from the soviet union. and the people shouted: “we want freedom.” they were all catholics. they had candles in their hands and prayed. i looked at young russian soldiers, soviet soldiers. i looked at the special forces, but i didn't talk to them. while i was in president lansberges's office the phone rang. it was gorbachev. gorbachev told lansbergis: “you must give up your demands. you must stop this

fight, because i have lost control of the army, the soldiers may just rush into you. then the phone next to me rang, and i was like, no one wants to answer the phone, but i answered, it was yeltsin calling, i didn’t speak russian, but i realized that it was yeltsen of the russian federation, i’m going with the phone to the president lansbergis and i say, they’re calling you, elsen tells him: don’t back down, the whole world is looking at you, the president answers gorbachev, no, we won’t back down, hangs up, here i am standing here 33 years later, i understand what a mistake. made by the west, i think it was a mistake, a tragedy, when the ussr collapsed, the west there was an opportunity, the same as after the end of the second world war, the marshall plan, the west helped rebuild germany, it became a truly stable strong country, in my opinion, the tragedy is that we and we forgot about this in the west, but putin, no, we

had the opportunity to help russia, what was left after the ussr, but instead of help. we sent young bankers there who just grabbed everything, and we called it the triumph of democracy, some called it the end of history, like from now on we will live in the wonderful world of western democracies, here i am here, the russians howl. after many years of persecution, the process of revival of the catholic church in the territory of the former ussr began in the early 1990s. the starting point in gaining religious freedom for the republics of the union state is the meeting of soviet leader mikhail gorbachev with the head of the roman catholic church, pope john paul ii. in december 1989 at the vatican. when gorbachev brought down the union, he met with the pope, john paul. and one of

the main issues they resolved was the issues of the krasunyaat church. it was, it was like a springboard for a further hike and further. well, for example, i remember, i was probably 20 years old, it was 30 years ago , from 32, 35, i remember that the political programs of sakharov, andrei sakharov, included all such a point, there were few points, by the way, let’s say five or six points, there is one of these points, the legalization of the ukrainian greek catholic church, i think that this nuclear physicist there, imprisoned in nizhny novgorod, can even understand about this, can he at all? understand in general the difference between roman catholics and greek-catholic, that is, and this was some kind of serious kind of machinery , so political, so external, in 1999, on a pastoral visit, john paul ii visited the first state of the former ussr, georgia. in 2001, ion paul ii arrives in ukraine. during this visit, all his sermons,

speeches, performances and remarks become, from a political point of view, one big demonstration of full support for the independence of ukraine. its preservation and development as an independent state. the visit of john paul ii to kazakhstan becomes unforgettable in september 2001. despite the fact that there are no more than 100,000 catholics in the republic itself, about 300,000 of their coreligionists from thirty countries of the world reside in this central asian state. a few days later john paul ii made a pastoral visit. visits armenia. he is cordially greeted by catholicos of all armenians horigenes ii. the pontiff, whose health has been poor lately, is flying to a predominantly muslim country. catholic population, which is very small. the holy father is greeted by azerbaijani president heydar aliev. the trouble is that after the collapse of the soviet union, russia did not invest enough effort to maintain

brotherhood, but europe and the usa worked hard enough to ensure that. to separate ukrainians from russia, i will give a simple example , at one time i taught at a university, when i went to the history department, there was a notice board, and there were a lot of different grants, such as a grant to go to holland, to go to spain, going to poland is quite an exciting offer for young people, there were grants from everyone except russia, that is, russia, it treated ukraine according to the principle of where will you go? the struggle of the devil against christ. love the revolution, as one person said. from family brawl to revolution. satan, the works of satan, it’s amazing that zelsky should be able to see that there is still a religious mess in kiev, no, it seems paradoxical, but

nevertheless, your temple is beautiful, of course, so, well, there was no money, then to build a dome, we haven’t been able to collect it for years, but the greek catholics built it once or twice, there i they were helped, probably, by canada and the verkhovna rada, whatever you want, if only it was inter-confessional... apart from that, the greek catholics can be said to be mute. businessmen were driving there, cars were parked. and if yes, if it happened on february 24, that’s it, let their churches stand, the witnesses have left, but they must maintain contact via the internet. tanya, don't go. 1875, built, yes, yes, 878, then the bell tower. three years, our temple, icons, in this year the rostov diocese gave us a gift

, the three-altar church is called having finished the central altar of the assumption, one dedicated to nikolai godnik, and one to the cross, and they gave us a piece of little christ, from there i will show you now, when the war began, they gave it to us, brought it. i have been praying so many times, lord, have mercy, lord, have mercy, lord, have mercy on us , lord, this is a small, small piece, but it is from that christ, like the crucified jesus christ, it spread all over the world, the story is very long of course, whoever wants it will find it and read it. lord jesus christ, son of god, i even rejoice that

god is looking to give such a priesthood, well, it seems that a priest is the most important profession on earth, as long as there is a priest appointed between us and god, only our church should preserve this ordination from the apostle, then what is appointed in sects, this is not the case, in for us, grace is transmitted along the chain from in our places, from st. andrew the first-called idea, we remained in that byzantine devotion in our faith, those saintly, apostolic rules that were originally written for us, and we live in them today, we we don't violate that is, they tore apart the soul, the uniat, this really is the root of all problems , they lived for obedience, they were brought up, they lived for what seemed like long centuries, only later, let’s say the eighteenth century, well, they were very long there, but nevertheless, the 18th-19th century , this is austria-hungary, poland, then they acquired completely different mental traits, they are really different, in everyday life, in consciousness,

they have a different attitude to money, to work, to family, to food, to a neighbor, to grievances, to love, there are others, there are good and evil traits that are generally not like us, they there may be, for example, twice the diligence, but four times the greed, say, courage in battle explains stubbornness. stubborn, for example, but at the same time, for example, vindictive and, let’s say, touchy , for example, that is, they don’t know how to forgive, for example, here they leave us our debts, as we already leave our debtor, they seem to formally know this words, but they don’t, they don’t exist there in principle, they are vindictive, they put nationality above god, that ’s why if the russian people are good to god, consciously, it wasn’t even like that before the revolution, with understanding, with knowledge of the scripture itself, knowledge of our faith, because we, that we, we are even worse than these, these jehovah's witnesses, do not know our faith, we must know, this is our strength,

also the holy fathers said that russia is holy, honi the faith is orthodox, but within it is affirmation, here is ukrainian nationalism, it was built as the nationalism that opposes russia, i remember walking through lviv with a graduate of the ukrainian branch, donetsk national. university of philology, and i said, i remember what he told me that jakhar dudayev street is russian propaganda, i say, now raise your head, that means it raises its head and the sign, jakhar dudayev street, was ukrainian nationalism, which, of course, was built entirely as rejection of russia, as hatred of russia, like russophobia, it was, they fed the entire soviet union, and now look, there, i’m first in russia during yeltsin’s times. there was a comparison, chechnya began, toasts were raised in ukraine, then thank god we don’t have it in chechnya, i remember, toasts were in houses, young people were already talking about it

she said, he’s drunk... yeltsin, who was dancing in treptov park, this whole policy, then in russia, it was tragic, but in ukraine somehow this is what national circles have already used, look, here we are something above all this, here we are the flower of the nation, in the former ussr , my brother’s friends there reproached me that we enslaved chechnya there, that we did something else wrong there, that’s the flesh, even to the point of getting physical, that is, almost to the point of a fight, that is... i i tried to prove something to them, these are the people of kiev, this is not western ukraine, there was such an argument, i’m trying to prove to them that we are russian, you are russian too, they no, we are not russian, everything is there, i say, well, let’s go to the lavra, let's go to the lavra, here is anthony theodosius of caves, are they russian saints or ukrainian, he says, yes, russian, i say, why then do you think that you are ukrainians.

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