[000:00:00;00] in august of the twenty-second year, denis valentinovich motorov visited us and he helped us purchase some unused industrial equipment and today it is already built into the technical process, however, we see that in the academic environment, in universities there are some units of unused industrial equipment, and some universities are even ready to transfer this equipment, but there are no mechanisms, it would be great to develop such mechanisms for transferring unused equipment, for those who are ready to actively and effectively use this equipment, maybe work on additional mechanisms for state subsidies for the purchase of used equipment, because i believe that this is also an important point. of the current instruments we have the russian science foundation and there is a government decree of 1867. and these are good instruments, but according to 1767 we have a need to increase the budget and reduce deadlines, since the time factor in this case is decisive, and regarding our organization we

invest all our own profit back into production, into technology, into materials, into people, but this is only partially allows us to close the issue with the equipment, in conclusion i would like to thank you for the opportunity to speak at the congress and ask you, vladimir vladimirovich, to take into account, if possible , the needs and proposals of our organization, since ultimately we are all working for a common cause, thank you, yes, georgiyovich , well , i have two proposals, first, you tell me specifically from whom and what you want to take, well, we know that. well, i have no doubt, but i don’t know, you write to me, please give me information, first, second after all formulate how you see the idea itself, at the end at the beginning you said that it is necessary to develop a mechanism for transferring from those who do not use it to those who need it, but this is their property, in the end you corrected there with a grant for the acquisition, what else -that is, we need to formalize the idea

itself, okay, please give it to us, andrey aleksandrovich, please take it, georgy, okay, this idea is absolutely correct, i support it 100%, you just need to develop this mechanism, if you need something, worth someone, not used, of course, you need to do it, we just need to find it so that it’s not a scratch, but of course, we’re talking about it in a civilized manner according to market principles, well, we’ve agreed, thank you, and specifically, here’s what you need, who has it, well, we’ll agree, through andrei alexandrovich, yes, just formulate, give, andrey aleksanovi. thank you very much vladimirovich, thank you, dear vladimir vladimirovich, my name is gark valerina, i am an employee of the department of technology of catalytic processes of the institute of catalysis of the siberian branch of the russian academy of sciences. my graduate work is related to research of highly efficient propylene polymerization catalysts developed in our laboratory. this polymer is extremely popular on the territory of our country. despite more than twenty years of experience

in our laboratory. we found a response in domestic companies due to imported catalysts, however, sanctions and the emergence of government programs for the introduction of new information products changed the situation, in particular i would like to note the new competition of the russian science foundation, which is aimed not only at scientific, but for experimental design activities in the interests of domestic companies. our institute is currently participating in two pilot projects of the russian science foundation aimed at developing catalysts for the polymerization of both silene and propylene, in one of which i was lucky enough to be among the participants. we see in possible projects an opportunity to apply our scientific ideas and developments to domestic companies, in particular at the enterprises of our partner, which is the petrochemical company sibur. currently within our grant is improving propylene polymerization catalysts at the laboratory level to the required and certain

parameters. however, further scaling up of the catalyst to 3 kg will make it possible not only to carry out pilot tests, but also to develop a branded product range. unfortunately, this is currently difficult to do at the institute’s laboratory sites. and this problem could be solved by creating a certain pilot infrastructure. a similar scaling problem exists in production. other domestic catalysts. i would also like to note that catalysts have a large multiplier effect, because more than 15% of the material part of the russian federation’s gdp is made up of chemical products produced using catalysts. and to solve this, and to solve the problems of scaling developments, our institute, together with the institute of cetology and genetics of novosibirsk, has developed and prepared an application for the bioktekh infrastructure project, which includes

the construction of specialized buildings, and in which catalysts can be developed and scaled up, developed not only by our institute, but also by other scientific organizations in our country, and it is also planned to create pilot installations to study the catalytic properties of the catalysts we develop, which will also allow independent examinations to be carried out catalysts purchased by our companies from friendly countries. vladimir vladimirovich, i would like to draw attention to our problem to this problem, but the creation of pilot production in those organizations that are aimed at introducing their scientific ideas into enterprises would allow us to connect science and business even more closely, and also reduce business risks when implementing scientific projects in industry, it seems to me that without the help of the state, unfortunately nothing will work out , but i would like to know your opinion

on this matter, and i would also like to say that this project could become the beginning of the creation of an implementation zone around the tskpp mega-installation, and a source of asynchrotron radiation generation 4. which is being developed: yes , which is now being carried out on your instructions in the koltsovo region , thank you very much for your attention, but i have everything, just a machine gun, i apologize, no, i listened with interest, arina sergeevna, well, in- firstly, you have a very good partner, the sibur company, this is a high-tech company , they are developing very quickly and interestingly, firstly, secondly, this is the topic you mentioned, the catalysts that were purchased before, yes, that means sibur cannot do without them, because they build huge ones enterprises, of course, yes, this means that they are not going anywhere, yes, and in

turn this means that government assistance may not be really needed here, so i, you asked how i feel about this, i i completely share your position, but in this particular case... you must, of course, negotiate with sibur, understand what they need from the state, how they need to be supported there, and in general, by and large, everything you do is them without it will not be able to function simply, so this is a task first of all for the sibur company, but if they need something from the state, from the government, we will of course try to do it, so please mark, okay, i’ll talk to the commander, and so, they act very energetically , such huge enterprises have an undisputed leader and what’s more, one of the leaders of this company, i already publicly even spoke about this region, they are building

a huge enterprise, and there one of the leading german companies collaborated with them and then left, this tells us that the project has been moved to... but we did everything and now they have 2/3 of the buildings in germany, where highly qualified management worked, no longer burns in the evening, they had to, yes, they had to fire a significant number of employees, and we say that we have developed the competencies that our partners had, and now we are becoming an engineering center, to to whom they are addressing. the whole world, because there is, uh, there is a primary source of raw materials, and the technologies have been developed, this is what we need to do in all areas, well, as far as possible, of course, but we need to strive for this, that’s

why we will talk with sibor, if they you need some kind of support from the state so that they, in turn, support you, of course , that’s the whole point, well, because from laboratory research, as i understand it, we need to move on to production, so, so, so we’ll try support you directly, and through the company itself, here, this is the first part of the marlizon ballet, the second - skiff, skiff, here is device 4, i don’t remember exactly, but in my opinion it should start working at the end of december, it should be ready, yes, in 2025 it will already be. well, of course it was created, well, it was created for in order to first of all study the structure of matter, everything connected with this, well, your task, of course, the scythian can solve,

we will try, we will also try to support you, okay, thank you, thank you, success to you, hello, vladimir vladimirovich, kovalevskylav, as the scientific director of the novatoria agrobiotechnopark in belgorskaya , i am responsible for the development of biotechnological products, and as a member of the board of directors of efko, i am responsible for import substitution and export of these products. we set ourselves the goal of implementing import substitution in the market enzymes. both for the food industry and for agriculture, in terms of innovative products, results have been achieved in such areas as sweet proteins, how - what kind of proteins, sweet proteins, this is a special type of protein that, when interacting with taste receptors, creates a feeling of very, very sweetness large, they are several thousand times sweeter than sugar, that is, one g of such protein can replace several kilograms of sugar, the second direction is cellular. not harmful, well, we have almost completed

the registration process, more than eight months research, and absolutely harmless, everything will be ready in another month, but to be honest, in a month we expect to complete the registration process and yes, even, well, we are already starting clinical trials on humans on our own initiative, in order to be completely sure, further, these are projects for the production of plant proteins for food, this is the production of oil fats from microorganisms, excuse me, i understood you correctly that these sweet proteins are synthetic proteins, no, initially, these proteins were found in fruits, that is, there are fruits in africa that are sweet because of sugar and protein, and then, together with scientists, we learned how to make them using biotechnology, that is, from microorganisms, that is, they are absolutely identical in structure natural, but obtained... well, they don’t have

the same effect on the body as sugar, right? no, they do not lead to an increase in blood sugar levels, since the chemical one is a regular protein, that is, they are indicated for diabetics, yes, this is exactly the target group, we we understand that there are millions of people in the country suffering from diabetes, which is exactly what we were aiming at, so we have a large practical one. scientists, from germany, from switzerland, from china, but in our opinion, it is russian scientists who lead in the depth of scientific knowledge and creativity, therefore we develop all breakthrough technologies exclusively with domestic scientists, in our opinion, all conditions have been created in the country for in order to comfortably engage in innovation, i would especially like to highlight the effectiveness of relations with the russian scientific foundations, the russian science foundation has created a model that allows us to achieve leadership in scientific research, the problem of efficiency, but what is even more important for us, to carry out an independent

examination of the usefulness and effectiveness of the products being developed. as you correctly noted, this question, how useful it is, is still being independently verified by the expert council of the russian science foundation. in addition to the russian science foundation , we work very closely with the ministry of agriculture and nti; for example, with the support of the ministry of agriculture , an agrobiotechnopark is being created in the belgorod region. a together with nti - an investment fund to support startups. we are convinced that all new products should be subject to the most stringent examination in terms of their benefits to human health, and we are ready to finance this examination ourselves, but what we consider important and would like to discuss is the feasibility of creating a specialized platform that would participate in the formation of public opinion in relation to these new products. it seems to us that this would significantly reduce the likelihood of discrediting these new products from... from representatives of substitute industries. these products

are innovative; consumer attitudes towards them have not yet been formed. and there are high risks that with the help of such sophistication without any scientific basis, they will try to somehow discredit them, and we see a big risk in this. and in our opinion, if this risk is not resolved at a systemic level, then the investment attractiveness of these new industries, which are associated with the development of fundamentally new products. it will be significantly lower this is the issue that they wanted to discuss, a very important issue, i agree with this, uh , as for attempts to discredit by competitors, it will still happen, it ’s inevitable, but here’s what could be done, by the way, it can be done within the framework activities of the russian science foundation, within the framework of the fund you can do, why is it necessary, this is also a type of support, but in my opinion, what do you think, you will do better than i will say now, but

the most important thing is for the consumer to see who and what expert advice? you have the activity of an expert council, aka transparent, they are not secret agents, however, these are famous scientists, specialists, it is necessary that people, the average person, see what kind of body this is, what kind of specialists there are, and so that it is clear. there is nothing complicated, you need to replicate this information, all if necessary.

colleagues have already said that now the russian science foundation holds competitions in experimental design and applied research, we, well, we had such experience of interaction with the russian foundation for basic research while it was still in existence structure for organizing joint scientific competitions in applied research in the interests of our industry. the results of this work, well, the results of this competition are assessed as very high, so we strongly support the initiatives of the russian science foundation to expand the scope of its competitions for applied research, experimental design developments, but for our part, we would like to participate in these competitions and how performers on key current industry needs and as initiators and customers of such work. well the specificity of these competitions is that they are carried out on key strategic initiatives, the list of which now consists of six points.

we would like to ask you to consider the possibility of expanding this list of key initiatives by including two such science-intensive areas as new materials for energy and thermal energy. community, which offers, well, through the structures of the russian scientific foundation, well, here’s the question, we , in my opinion, were engaged in controlled thermonuclear fusion, actively began to engage in it, back in the 50s, since 1950 academician lavriev, in my opinion, studied for a year, yes, what a concept. when it was proposed by sakharov, sugar, then sakharov and tam, yes, well, yes, yes, yes, yes, but - this is a very important direction, extremely, and well, i probably didn’t create this list,

right, but i will appeal to those who did this, i will refer to alexander vadimirovich lazutkin, i will ask you to support , okay, okay, we agreed, no, this is real, this is an important thing, i completely agree, but rosatom, it’s true, can do everything himself, why do you need support if the government has anything it is necessary, we ourselves turn to rossat, well, the support of the russian science foundation is irreplaceable here, it has already been said, that is , expert, well, access, in fact, popularization of knowledge, this, well, indispensable help will be at this stage, i agree, thank you, we will try to do this, thank you . dear vladimir vladimirovich, let me thank you, on november 2 you signed a decree on the development of nature-like technologies, these technologies will allow us to conserve resources, preserve our nature for future generations,

and it is very important that russia is the first to world has come up with this initiative, because this preservation of the planet will allow us not to stop the technological process, but to transfer it to a fundamental... new level, to study the systems of living nature, to reproduce them in the form of technical systems that will be built into natural resources circulation, already as the basis for this , the basis for the development of the nature of such technologies , according to your decrees, two federal programs are being implemented, this is a program for the development of synchrotron and neutron research, anna spoke about skifi, within the framework of which, which will essentially become such a large-scale ruler with which we can measure the natural processes of the natural system at the level of individual atoms and then reproduce them. the second program is a program for the development of genetic technologies, here already - well , significant progress has been made, firstly, this is colossal progress in personnel, we recently held a forum of genetic technologies, there were almost a thousand participants, but

literally at the start of the program we said that we don’t have geneticists in russia, and today among we have a lot of geneticists, you have seen the equipment, the genetic equipment, the complete first domestic whole-genome sequinator, we have it at the kurchatka institute , it is already working, we are very pleased, that is , now we can not depend, we can not depend on the tools , in which we will see this dna, the code of nature, which she came up with, on your instructions , at the kurchatka institute, a model of the national genetic information database has already been created, this means that we will have somewhere to put this result obtained on our domestic device and at the end of last year you signed a law according to which the national database of genetic information became a state information system, this means that all the genetic information that we receive will no longer leak abroad, it will remain with us and will be available to our users, our scientists, we will also give them access to supercomputer

power to analyze it at the output of the sequinator, and now, as we move forward, the following arise tasks, the first is a very important task, the preservation of bioresource collections, because we are the richest country in bioresource collections, our outstanding scientists have been collecting them for more than 100 years, we have more than 120 of them, it is these bioresource collections that should become the main content of this bases of genetic information, what we will study, they have not only, well, their study does not have so much a fundamental sense, but a practical one, because if we want to develop a new variety, a new breed animals, we must study the resources that nature has come up with, understand how we will influence them and how we can use them. but at the moment these bioresource collections, they are not protected, they are ephemeral, on your instructions

, four national bioresource centers are now being created, plant centers in vir, animal centers in vizhe, there are also colleagues here, a national center of microorganisms is being created on the basis of the kurchatka institute and autochthonous grape varieties, but these centers do not cover all the diversity collections, and also on your instructions, a law on bioresource centers is currently being prepared, it has already been discussed with all interested parties, but at the moment, we are a little stalled with this law, and we would like to ask you, well, give instructions to speed up the adoption of this law, why, because you see, every day, this simple delay of the law, taking into account the fact that the collections are not protected, for us we see the risk that the collections will be lost or damaged, for example, as happened in sevastopol recently, yes, when some of the animals were lost there, its own situation, but nevertheless, because these collections are really now supported by

the enthusiasm of the scientists they are studying, so the acceleration of the law would seem very important, the second thing i would like to draw attention to is that we are already talking about they said this, this is the development of the microbiological industry, in the soviet union , on the basis of state genetics, which came out now and is part of the kurchatka institute, the best microbiological industry in the world was created, from the market, we gave the market to many foreign technologies, but these technologies are very important, because what are the products of the microbiological industry, these are the main ones, if we don’t talk about the innovative ones that rossislav spoke about, these are feed additives for animals, these are plant protection products, these are vitamins, these are enzymes too for animals, in addition to this , the product... of the microbiological industry is those living organisms that we buy from abroad and which you come to the store, what we buy on the shelves are

products that living organisms make, this sour milk, cheeses, bread, beer, wine, we buy these microorganisms, it’s dangerous because they can carry, well , potential risks, so from the point of view of science it would be important, as rostislav also said, to collect scientific potential, because before we have it... we have it, it was created , it is, but in the transition period, it was somehow fragmented, well, according to troslev principles, it would be important to create it in order to quickly assemble this scientific monolith, combine competencies, transfer this youth that we educated, and give quick results in agriculture, in industry, well, we propose to combine, taking into account the fact that kurchatsky is the main thing in agriculture, in genetics, in programs, and we have created a genetic center specifically for industrial microbiology, to bring together these separate institutes , scientific groups under our leadership, and while we are reviving

the microbiological industry, as michal antinovic has also spoken about this many times, it is very important, we now have all the tools for this, to make genetic control of those living microorganisms that are busy with these sourdoughs for milk for cheeses, so that when we transport them we can make their full genetic passport, place this... genetic passport in digital form in the genetic information database, and the microorganism itself in our collections, all this is very important, very interesting, indeed , mikhail valentinovich constantly draws attention to this, he was one of the initiators of the development of nature-like technologies, he is very interesting to me, very pro i told him what i needed, everything is interesting, everything is correct, to help speed up the adoption of the law and bioresource collections , yeah, yeah, okay, that’s it, and can i ask another

question about a sore point, is it a little off topic? we just talked about the examination and now, on your instructions, a decision is being prepared, a proposal to amend the legislation on examination. you also issued instructions to the leading scientific organizations, but now, well, we are worried about part of the scientific community, so that these decisions on the examination do not become formal, because we have, well, scientific organizations, various scientific and technical ones, there are fundamental sciences, there are applied sciences, which on... for example, act on the orders of rosatom, there are organizations that create mega-installations there, lay down tools, they are all a little different, if they are all combed with the same brush, then uh, we are afraid that it will be difficult to deal with this later on the one hand, the second is a proposal for the leading scientific organizations, because these are important projects, it is important that it is not really examined a separate expert, but a parent scientific

organization that has competencies, experience, and knowledge. and i would like to ask for your advice so that the examination does not become so formal, perhaps, to synchronize these issues of adopting changes about the examination about the parent scientific organization, so that they do not argue with each other, it is so difficult to formulate a final decision from a voice, i would ask you then to also set out a more specific proposal of what you would like, well, we can’t make the kruchatnik the parent organization. here that's it, no, the academy of sciences is also here in honor, of course, yes, yes, yes, that’s necessary , we’ll talk to the president of the academy of sciences, definitely, with gennady i’ll definitely , well, let’s discuss this, please formulate it as you see it, okay, yes, okay, we agreed, but according to the law, of course, i completely agree with you, firstly , i want to thank those who were involved in this, the creation of these collections and biological resources,

so they are creating a national database, which means genetic information , a very important direction, but as for these collections, there are specialists who have been doing this for many years, many, so if i agree with you, nothing can be lost, it cannot be leaked somewhere from left to right, there is no one knows where, so of course we will try to do this as quickly as possible, well, it needs to be done qualitatively of course, because these are such fundamental laws, they must be... the law has now already been finalized after modifications, in my opinion today it should have been submitted to the government for approval to recall the government, and the government should now go to the government then to the state duma should go, but who is there in the government, who is involved in the government, i can’t say it’s just the government that should

go, i don’t know where he will go, who is involved there , it’s a complex question because when it comes to medicine, it’s more likely tatyana alekseevna, but really bioresources collections are part of the infrastructure of all science , so it seems to me that it is very important that in addition to such medical and genetic positions, positions that are purely scientific are also taken into account, this is a very important part of the infrastructure of science, so that she doesn’t get lost, in my opinion , questions have now been found there, answers to these questions have been found. and i think that tatyana alekseevna and dmitry nikolaevich will be involved in this, with your permission, i will convey to you your wish, to speed up, no, you just tell me who is the head there, which department is the head, tell me the main one in this dispute, because if this is a scientific infrastructure, then there must be, wait, well , someone contributes to the government,

the ministry of science must contribute to the government, well must. who contributes? look, please, who contributed, so to speak, but that’s why they threw it out, they said that this is not entirely correct, here we are now, okay, just remind me, i’ll talk to my colleagues, that ’s all, you’re right, we can’t delay, you absolutely right, thank god, our attitude towards genetics today is completely different, not the same as it was in the soviet union, yes, genetics was called the corrupt girl of imperialism, well, yes, that’s what they said, yes, but that means we have a completely different attitude , treats differently, this is the most a promising, extremely important area of ​​research, it is, indeed, just like artificial intelligence, maybe, well, that is, it cannot be, but it will definitely be the basis of progress in many areas of activity, government, states and