[000:00:00;00] in general, why did i initially go into fundamental science, because i was, and i wanted to learn to be in something first and in something better, yes, better than, well, in the whole world and so on, and of course, fundamental science is the ticket that allows you to, well, let’s just say, simply declare that you did something for the first time and well, at the same time, and as you develop, well, the publication of some scientific articles and so on, to benefit society as a whole, yes, and of course, when there is the opportunity to implement your ideas in a startup, in some kind of applied science, well, of course, this is the step that i really want to take, from this point of view, of course, this is the groundwork that fundamental science provides, and those high standards of work that, well, they give such, well, research, yes,

they help a lot in the development of technology. startups, at one time i founded, well, really a company for scientific instrument making, the results were presented here, you can look at our devices, which means, in general this is the thing that i understand, that as soon as we started making the first devices , you get really fantastic pleasure from the products of your activity, because you understand that you didn’t just write 10 pages of text in some magazine, yes, here it is there is some product that other people come and start using. in general, my dream is to bring some medicine to the clinic and clinical practice, but while we are doing this, it usually takes 15-20 years, of course, i want to do something faster and that’s why i went into instrument engineering, here i would generally give advice - well, to young scientists, but at least to me, when many come and ask, like, what can you advise, i would say that train one skill, and achieve results , this is

very important in fundamental science. in applied applications, the process is not important, the result is important, yes, if you train yourself to achieve a good result, your qualifications, well, increase fantastically, which means that at the same time i have, let’s say, one technology that i came up with fundamentally new therapy for diseases, i published it in the national biomedical engineering journal for 7 years, and after prolonged torment, i asked myself for a long time whether such torment for 7 years and 10 pages of text was worth it, yes, or was it better to use the same energy for this to bring this drug into the clinic, initiate clinical trials and so on, this is actually not a very trivial, well for me at least the answer, but i would say that the way i strive to develop my career is certainly in basic science we are very we are heavily dependent on government assistance, yes, there are ministry of education and science grants, there is the russian science foundation and a bunch of other types of support, but ideally, i set myself

the task of developing my company in such a way, in the end... let’s say, we can export products so that it brings money to the country and does not waste our budget, yes for research, but brought money from abroad to the country, in the end, instead of applications for the russian science foundation, i would sell there, create new products, and so on and so forth, well, i would like to end with one such thought, i thought, how to end with what to show such an idea, which is not very standard, it is a little controversial, i’ll be honest, if we remember how science developed, yes, there was, there were the times of newton, and... galilee and so on, when if some scientist... then he came up with it, and his main task was to tell someone this, so that someone , maybe 50 years later, would use it, quote it somehow, and so on, but then, now we already know, let’s say there is a medicine, and generics exist , well, there are new drugs and a chemist can reproduce it, but then we begin to evolve in science a little in the other direction, science becomes more complicated and the same medicines, the same

mrna vaccine, yes, which was... made, it is already very difficult to copy it if you don’t know, don’t have everything production technologies, this is the question that i would like everyone to think about, how will science develop in 50 years, will this data exchange be the same as it is now, or in 50 years will everyone really be, yes will be published in open access there and so on, in open access, but all important hide details to protect their... technological advantages. and here there is a chance that those who do not develop their absolute technological sovereignty, yes , from the very initial idea to the final product, may be a little late, in this regard, leaving fundamental science and becoming entrepreneurs, excuse me, startups, yes this means that in the end, entrepreneurs earn money with their minds and their labor. thank you very much, thank you

very much, i'll clap. maxim, but my friends, this is a real scientist, did not answer the question, after all, where he considers himself the most successful, fundamental or applied science, everywhere, everywhere, a scientist is successful everywhere, while, let me remind you, a quote, yesterday, vladimir vladimirovich said about fundamental science, yes, fundamental research does not bring instant results, but on the same topic of microelectronics, it is clear that without some developments of a fundamental nature we cannot solve the problem of applied sound, we need to create certain boards and so on, the president believes, and colleagues, what was the result? profiling the audience when they answered questions can be deduced, i didn’t see the results, so it turns out that in universities, predominantly, everyone sees their own, their, their, their, their , implementation of the following already in scientific

organizations, okay, let’s keep this in mind , and maxim said that he is successful in everything, but nevertheless, elena vladimirovna, you are like our hospitable host, sirius is a federal territory, and what can you offer such super-usual people or how to attract others here to the service so that they become too same successful? well, i would like to speculate here at the congress of young scientists about this generally unique time of unique opportunities that have been created and are being created by the state , including for implementation in several directions. you said fundamental, applied, startups, dmitry nikolaevich, but it seems to me that these conditions and the moment... and they create, as it were, the opportunity not to choose, but in fact there are more such areas, you can teach, you can make a career in a knowledge-intensive corporation, indeed national scale, probably sirous a very good example, we have

a laboratory complex and an innovation center for startups, the opportunity to teach and involve schoolchildren, students, and young scientists in our activities, in general, at all levels of education. and of course, it seems to me that everything that maxim plans can be done only by choosing such cross-functionality, probably yes, in your actions, that is , you don’t have to choose, you really need to use all the possibilities to solve national problems, to solve those priorities which he sets for himself such a young scientist, of course, is a guarantee that his multifaceted talent will be used, as in the case of maxim , and that both the laboratory and this scientific direction will always have followers. to those who follow him and choose both the way of thinking and the tasks, thank you, excellent answer, there are so many small laboratories and so many places to live, next year sirius is ready to provide so many tasks for young

scientists that there are sure to be enough places, but if anything, let's be patient, we'll fit into what we have, thank you very much, everything is in sirius, guys, thank you, our next speaker, alexey fedorov, you are a graduate of balmanka, now you are an employee of the russian quantum center , you work at the missus, as you have time, you are always involved in quantum computers, and you yourself, how did you come to yourself and who do you feel more like a fundamentalist or an applied scientist? you know, i want to joke that i am in a superposition, like any quantum person, technology today is experiencing such a very serious first devices that can already be used in industry, so by developing this direction, we are all that it is possible to commercialize it, bring it to industrial use, we are trying to bring it to this level

, we are now your trajectory of success, this is what you owe to your rise, after all, more applied results, or what you demonstrated while doing fundamental science, i think that so far the main results are related to fundamental science, since after all, in kogoga. unsolved problems, not those problems to which we need to direct efforts from fundamental science. however, i repeat, everything that it is possible to do from a practical point of view, we are trying to do it, we are very strongly supported here, because quantum technologies are also one of the national priorities, there are road maps for the development of quantum technologies within the framework of which we have already created the first process such as quantum computers that solve first small practical tasks. and our dream, our big goal is a practically useful quantum computer, which is actively supported by the state corporation rosatom, aleksejovi. personally to our quantum team devotes a lot of time and guides us, so we are moving from fundamental knowledge to usefulness to applied projects, it is clear what qualities a scientist should have in order to prove himself in the fundamental sciences, you know, my colleagues from

the coordinating council often we’re discussing this topic, and it seems that in addition to talent and work, which everyone often mentions, it’s necessary to add perseverance, because sometimes you just need to get going, do i understand? do and it is very important not to be persistent in applied, persistent in the fundamental, excuse me, i’m exaggerating, i’m trying to somehow help the young audience decide whether they’re smart or beautiful. speaking about the young audience for the quantum industry, which is now being formed, new personnel are very important, so we, within the university, want to connect our lives with this paradoxical, interesting and really great scientific, technological direction we wanted to be in life, we will be very glad, we have not only academic tasks, we have practical ones tasks on which you will learn with your hands, so i invite everyone to our institute, thank you, alexey, do you have a younger brother or sister, i have an older brother, an older one? well, well, much older, 6 years, so how would

you explain to your older brother what you do in fundamental sciences? and i would say that we use the smallest objects of our world, yes, which we can only imagine, such as elementary particles, such as photons, individual atoms, individual molecules, in order to solve complex technological tasks related to the processing, transmission and storage of information. today we live in an information society, we are faced with tasks related to optimizing a huge number of processes, with modeling very complex phenomena , colleagues have already talked about medicines, yes, these are complex systems that need to be modeled, quantum computers that use the paradoxical properties of the smallest objects , can solve very large and very complex problems. well, i understand, this is the thing, brother, everything is very complicated, these quantum computers, it’s better not to get into it, here’s a specific audience, you can explain the difference between qubits and qudits in your fingers , great, that means a qubit, in general it’s great that in the audience of the congress of young scientists we moved on to discussing qubits and qudits,

because instead of qubits, we we want to know, yes, would there be a question 10 years ago , would there be a quantum computer, is it science fiction, in general, the level of advancement is very serious, a qubit is a two-level quantum system in which there are two possible states and we can create their superposition, the proposition of zero and one with arbitrary complex coefficients, in the case of a qudit we can create a state with a large number of levels, say three, four and so on, and mathematically a system of two qubits is equivalent to... one one four-level system, the so-called kukwart . and indeed, our quantum computer operates on a unique technology based on qudits, but computationally, having eight qudits, it is completely equivalent to a sixteen-bit quantum computer. we with margarita simonyan we understood everything, alexey evgenievich, in kudits we realized that you are much larger, 16 times, we have reached a new level, as usual, alexey evgenevich, we understand that now the main struggle in the market,

of course, is for the minds of talented employees, this is how rusat can attract such talented guys so much to retain, what are you doing so that all the talented guys who here want to come to you in rusat, thank you, dmitor nikolay, for your question, you alexey, for asking me excused me about qubits and kudits, the question is of course yours very correct and in my opinion it is at the very core of today's problem, of course, the coming decades are a struggle for minds, a struggle for the minds in the country, a struggle for the minds and people, relatively speaking, he will become stronger, he will create the very a new technological landscape, a completely new understanding of both fundamental and applied science, returning to the topic of quantum technologies, they are broad, this is not only calculation, this is an algorithm. these are sensors, this is

communication, what has been done in my opinion, alexey, you can also speak now v in this sense, the opponents at the dissertation defense managed to start talking in the sense of what we can give and what we, in the good sense of the word, will demand in return, because knowledge certainly enriches us, but we have completely different indicators in the kps, yes, so pulling with on the one hand, with offers to help financially, to absolutely at a minimum , enlightened as a maximum of new quality, but you also need, you see, to give you the opportunity to change the world, not just talk about new achievements and breakthroughs, but also present

practically significant, decisions, that’s what alexey actually does, and we help him to the best of our weak abilities , by the way, the road from fundamental research to advanced research, if you answer your fundamental question of today’s conversation, it is different, it sometimes collapses or vice versa lengthens in a matter of years, it is generally known that at the beginning of the last century, when the very first, one might say, zero knowledge about radioactivity was developing, well , for example, one of the solutions was proposed... the so-called planetary model of the atom, a reserve form, an organized laboratory, where, by the way, again, including the then russian and soviet representatives, seniors and and then, somewhere at the turn of the twenties of the last century, they absolutely believed that this the study of the smallest particles , the study of the microcosm has no practical result, this study is like deep space, 10-15 years have passed and the most powerful weapons were born,

the most powerful energy was born, they began to use these technologies in medicine, in materials of reference, in general a number of other things, in this sense... what is very important for us is that alexey and his colleagues, there is already a large detachment of russian quants, people from abroad are returning, this is very important, you know, in that including, for ethical reasons, it returns so that they create new quality calculations, just like a breakthrough in energy, based on the microcosm, and not on the more efficient use of energy extraction methods known to mankind, which occurred in the middle of the last century, this is the same it seems to me that a breakthrough in calculations, in working with big data, with forecasting, can be extracted by humanity, again from the study of the largest particles, only now we need to go down another floor, go into completely microparticles, and will our

scientists with qubits with two states or qudits with four, each of them will decide for themselves, thank you very much for the question. thank you, it was alexey evgenievich, about the space of possibilities on the lower floor of microelements, and i will allow myself, while you were talking, about the development of quantum technologies, in the future will determine the shape of national economies and the map of the world as a whole, the president said at the forum of future technologies in july of this year. this is also important information. the pain can be different, it doesn’t matter what caused the pain, if there is pintalgin, universal remedies against different types of pain, pintalgin, we can do without pain, invest in your country with a reliable vtb broker and the btb moninvestments application with free training and expert support

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realized this myself, and you can become, as a scientist, you can be successful in almost any field, the main thing is don’t stop, despite your mistakes, thank you, irina, it really hit home, i know, i also wanted to become a physicist, but i became a programmer, i even got accepted, but then they lured me there, there was the most powerful... center in the country at that time, and you wanted to become an economist, thank god you became a geneticist, yes, thank you very much, look what a cool life hack, three things are articles and not patents, and here of course patents are needed on the contrary not articles, and of course it’s needed here too the institute of technology brokers, which andrei aleksanovich in our country, unlike the states, is unfortunately not developed, three test tubes instead of two bottles and the importance of competitive analysis. we will definitely study this case, everyone who heard this, also hang out, but you have a unique opportunity, you talked there about

complexity, nasology, certification and so on, we have a whole minister of health, scientist mikhail albertovich goosebumps here, and mikhail albertovich, let's take out your magic wand, and wizards do magic with wands, you heard, right? help a young scientist, how can you help? one, yes, well, first of all, thank you very much, the three points that were said, i ask the audience to really take this as such good practical advice, which is worth a lot, it’s true that all three points that were said , they really make life easier, speed up, well, plus they give... motivation at the finish line, and this, of course, is not all the points, since we regularly go through

a certain this is the same life cycle, and for us this is everyday life, so we created a technology transfer center, this is the main principle, as i understand it, you have not yet encountered it, or have already encountered it, so this center is your very magic wand , i know that he simply did not have time to use them. yes, this is possible for everyone, it is funded by us, and accordingly , within the framework of science for people, this is on behalf of michal vladimirovich mishustin, we are implementing the project science for people, realizing that many researchers have the same the same problems, you need to go through this path and go through it with those who know where to go, well, this is the lead, this is the first, second, that means what we are faced with, we had a pilot this year, you talked about brokerage. this year we held the first such fair, an auction for scientific developments; to be honest, we thought that

well, maybe 100, 200, 300 would come from the company, when we realized that the hall could not accommodate it , it had already exceeded 500, plus the internet connection, we realized that there was enormous interest in this, the event was very successfully, we found many scientific developments for technology partners, and this, of course, inspires additional confidence for each developer that he is not working in vain, well, here today we walked, several people came up, asked how we can find a technology partner, how to find money for product registration, because you can’t enter medicine just like that, without confirmation of safety and effectiveness, and the procedure for confirming safety and effectiveness, this morning there was a section on according to certain regulatory processes, without this it will not work. therefore, this is what

is interesting in medicine, that in the end a product, if it is... properly planned , it has its own niche and market, it will give results. in this last period, the sputnik vaccine probably showed , well, since the time - the polyamyl vaccine - it was probably the brightest product that was distributed so widely in the world, and so many countries accepted it, and many lives were saved. and one more important point in science, in medical, including... in addition to fundamental, exploratory, applied research, there is also a huge niche for adaptation, it was said that instead of three bottles there are two samples, instead of three test tubes there are two bottles, and indeed, when the technology is scaled up, and when you need to create a process that includes cleaning, cultivation, or, accordingly, some other process, right down to packaging

and marking, so that it can be transported under what conditions. in particular , the vaccine is transported at temperatures below 70°, but the whole logistics chain needs to be adjusted to it, this is a completely new task and a completely new challenge, so for those who, among other things, see themselves in applied research, where processes are optimized, who have this, so to speak, there is an attitude, there is knowledge and there are opportunities, he can also find himself, and sometimes these solutions are very effective and expensive, well , i won’t take up time now, but in russia there are those, including developments, that today have been monetized in such scale, which essentially changed the landscape, and these patents are alive , they work, so when we talk about what we are ready to support, we are not talking in vain, we are ready to really support and

act as a guide that will help you. .. our ideas and, accordingly, achieve results, but we always remember about assessing the market, thank you, but you’re great, you just summed up the key messages for the participants of today ’s conference in a few words, these were super useful tips from michal albertyvich and irina, we’ll get everything going on the knot, let's move on, konstantin vinegorov, you were born in the rostov region, graduated from moscow state university, a major technology company, and also took part in a meeting with the president at the second congress of young scientists, but not every year, but that’s also good. what basic qualities, in your opinion, should a researcher have in order to be in demand, just like you, in such

high-tech and advanced companies as sibur, dmitry nikolaevich, dear colleagues, good afternoon, well, the first thing i want to say, i think, in general happy man, you know, find your own business, as they say, find what you like, and you will never have to go to work again, this is absolutely true, and working at sibur in the petrochemical industry, in the coordination council - this is what i like what’s mine, i sincerely wish all young scientists to find themselves this way, but on the question of a candidate’s dissertation... i found my life’s work absolutely by accident, i’m very grateful to moscow university, now i’ll tell you why, and more than 10 years ago , i just went for an interview at sibur on a situational basis, i didn’t know anything about sibur approached this