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of business. vtb is a bank for your business. oleg, here we are, in this very studio, we once spoke with a large family, do you remember 10 people came to popov , so they talked, so to speak, about the number of children in the sense that this is good, let ’s talk today about the quality, is it generally good or good, and most importantly, how to actually raise them, if these children have already appeared, how to properly raise these very children, well, let them grow like grass or do you have to hammer something into them from morning to evening and take them somewhere to study classes? make a little insert for our viewers, because it seems to me that we almost never said why our the program is called russia 2062, yes, 862 is the symbolic date when

russian statehood was formed in russia, and in 2062 russian statehood will be 1200 years old, a big day, yes, here you and i are thinking about how we want to meet how this date would be the anniversary. an ideal russia, they will build it, well , that is, not only us today, but actually our children, but also in 202, if we live, we are unlikely to be active creators, but our children and grandchildren, in general. here is the king's song from the bremen musicians the children became naughty, but without them it’s terribly boring, but this topic is eternal, and turgenev also wrote fathers and

sons, problems of generations, problems of education, problems of misunderstanding of generations with each other, we hope that we would like it to be resolved by 2062, children in russian future, we will be with our guests today, with anna knyazeva, a family psychologist, mother of seven children, and grandmother

of seven grandchildren, they say they are expecting an eighth. and with bogdan mamonov - an artist, a teacher with more than twenty years of experience and a father of seven children, on others, yes, this is specially done so that we have seven. you brought us together in this way, yes, these are not common children, bogdan mamonov, contemporary artist, curator, critic, author of installations, performances and paintings, has been exhibiting since 1992, his works are in the third edition, in museums in private collections, in russia, in the usa, in germany, all over the world, he represented russia at the venice nala. for seven,

we have such a tradition, recent, that arose here right in the navdkh studio, we ask our guests to bring to the studio some thing that they would take from with us to russia in 2062, if right here, now they said that you are all going to the future, you can take only one thing with you, that’s what you took with you, but let’s start with you, yes, i took a bath cap. it was used, that is, we found the cleanest, harsh jar, yes, harsh jar, in general the idea was to come with broom, but i thought that i wouldn’t be able to get him from dubna in one piece, they wouldn’t let him into the exhibition, they wouldn’t let him in, yes to the exhibition with a broom, well, by the way, we must hope that in in the future there will be a lot of bathhouses, i really hope so, but in general i’m kind of the person who is developing the bathhouse culture, this is one of our main family leisure activities, we

take part in it. connected in general, definitely connected , well, yes, i can even say such a simple little thing, let’s say, now all my children are big, these are children with whom, well, let’s say, you rarely hug, yes, because, well, they’re just already such uncles and aunts are there, so you hug with them, of course sometimes, but especially with these uncles you already hug, yes, and so i came to the bathhouse, massaged someone, steamed someone with a wreath, accompanied me with tea, that is, it’s wonderful, this is mom’s love or dad’s love, it’s passed on like that in our country. the bathhouse is present in all collaborations , i can give my daughter a special steam bath, i can

go there with my husband together, that is, this is some kind of separate topic, you can have a bathhouse especially for grandchildren, for example, when we are treated there, for example, people gets sick or vice versa, won’t get well, so we’ll go to the bathhouse for treatment, but just leisure this form, in general, we, there are also different types of bathing leisure, there are different types, raising children, entertainment, entertainment. transfer of love, by the way, as they say on television, you know, i would like to take this opportunity to say in connection with the baths, the topic of baths, that i once told oleg, russia should really use baths as soft power, so and we even came up with such a project, 10,000 russian bathhouses for the world, the bathhouse program is becoming gradually, so i like it, we keep changing the topic, yes bogdan, what are you talking about, first of all, i need to

continue too. gave a master class about the famous anna yaroslavna, the daughter of yaroslav the wise, but there is such a legend, i believe that it is still a legend, yes, which, she married, as you know, king henry of france, and became the queen of france and supposedly, so she brought the bathhouse into the life of france. i also have the same question for my students, yes, this is what anna yaroslavna could bring to the life of the parisian court. there are a number of options that they need to choose, there’s actually a bathhouse there, yes, but i repeat, most likely a legend, but a typical one, mind you, yes, yes, uh-huh, well, we move on to... i’m not a bathhouse person, yes, no, but i’m just a shell, uh-huh, the fact that i’m a bathhouse person , so i brought such a thing , i brought it very small and i suspect that our viewers may not even notice it, almost like a left-handed flea, after all, we have modern

technology, i’m great, i brought a historical miniature, well, as you, oleg, know , and as you, boris, know, i am the owner of a huge collection of historical military miniatures, in this case i brought a portrait figurine of alexander the great, alexander the great, i chose this one today because i wanted to knit, i could have taken any other, but i wanted to connect this figurine with the theme of education, if we are interested, we can then talk about this figurine in the context of educational problems . anna, tell me. here you are a psychologist and your husband is a psychologist, yeah, and the children are psychologists , yes, we have four children who are psychologists, well, one is another dynasty, one might say, one student, three already certified specialists, yes, yeah, here

nowadays there are somehow dynasties, but this is a rarity, and in general the word worker dynasty, professional dynasty is something, well , at best, from the soviet union. but in soviet times there were some kind of working dynasties, now they say with sighs that there is no more dynasty, but in your opinion, in general , in education, it is important to pass on something to children, some kind of continuity, is this good or on the contrary, it’s bad, there’s some kind of coercion, i’m a psychologist, are you forcing your children

to be psychologists, or what is it like? some kind of economically forced story , yes, what if you want your children not to die at all, it was still organized this way, and society was organized this way, and continuity is a slightly different story, continuity is what i really like i like to contrast succession with inheritance, because inheritance is when, well, you may not want anything, they just handed it to you, like in

a puss in boots, but here’s a mill for you, well, let’s say they gave this eldest son a mill, but that’s completely it’s not obvious that he comes there... well, look, boris, i once interviewed anatoly, quite famous. to our public, yes to the artist and yes to the famous artist, and there the question was posed,

what is art, and zverev answers wonderfully, he says: old man, you yourself are art, you live, you are art, this phrase at one time very much impressed me , when i was engaged in theoretical activities, well , such artistic ones, i wrote many manifestos, texts, during that period, this was somewhere in the late nineties, the beginning of the 2000s, yes, in fact, it’s not just the birth of children, you participate, as it were, in their upbringing, you educate them, you create

some kind of environment for this, you include some kind of project stories for this, as it were , yes, well for example, i came up with a historical club there for them, yes, as if initially for them, then it became mine, became my business, yes, and then, in general, in fact, i realized that this program, yes, you live, you are art, it somehow came into being, that is, i

can now... it’s not true, a child is an unclean slate, a child is a completely infinite cosmos with a huge number of potential possibilities, your job as an artist, well, actually , it’s a blank slate, it’s also not potential, it has potential, it’s not pure, it’s not true, as it were to say that a white sheet is a kind of purity, no, but there is a huge amount of potency hidden in it, in this white, infinite white, as if it were like space, as if a white sheet, a white canvas, as if yes, that’s what you you'll get him out of this canvas, or what you pull out of this block of marble, and the same thing, here is this child in front of you, yes, you somehow have to shape him, but at the same time, unlike marble or canvas, he still has his own potential, he will

, as it were, also participate in this creation of himself as - as art, and as some kind of creative object, here it’s another matter that how not to get carried away, because in fact , in general, it is common for a person to feel like an artist, and another object, over which you have to work, but there is a woman in relation to a man. set to be what you want, but if you yourself are something, there is hope that your loved ones, well, in particular your children, they

will also want to be like you, this is actually the main task of education, to make yourself so that others want to be like you, or maybe even better than you, then yes, can i continue with this thought , pushkin has such a wonderful phrase where he says: tatyana, i was surprised, she

got married, it’s him means about the heroine of the novel. talk about the traumas that their parents inflicted on them, so he says: my child is with me and with his friends, not even because he is offended by me, but he simply cannot help but talk about traumas, just as he could not before not to root for spartak or not to listen to the film group, well, excuse me, but this is already idiocy, and this is being imposed, yes, this is a certain concept that is being imposed on children in the west already, precisely at the school level there. at the level of education and so on, i really wouldn’t want, for example, well, in general, there was such a society that we would take this into the future, but i, as a psychologist , am sincerely asking you, in general this is necessary, this is not some kind of dead-end path for the development of civilization, no? let me start with an anecdote, there is such an anecdote that a tired psychologist is sitting there at the end of the working day, but not

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