we continue our conversation with the former prime minister of ukraine nikolai azarov nikolai yanovich, you really are so serious today, i generally agree with your assessments, because unnecessary talk about the alleged subjectivity of the current kiev leadership, in this sense they probably shade us a little, although really with these people some...

information about industrial groups and the so -called oligarchs of ukraine, you know them inside out, as they say, but i have it laid out, who is under whom, in the west from there akhmetov and so on, who is under whom, under which western groups is in ukraine, and just talked about some of the main areas, mining and metallurgy, oil and gas, energy, these three pillars on which the economy rested, this, in the opinion of the authors of this publication, is

a serious problem, as for the gas industry, well, there is gas, of course, so to speak, it has decreased production, decreased gas use, of course, but the gas industry has grown, it works, so something is breathing, something is working, in general, i will not say that this is the merit of some yermak or shmagal, these are just proven things that work in difficult conditions in good conditions, when there are opportunities for this, they show remarkably. 5 million tons of fertilizers were exported at one time, that is, our chemical industry worked and we exported almost 30 million tons of steel, there was such a period, now we export so to speak a pittance, but i emphasize once again that there are some opportunities, but i would not even exaggerate the role of oligarchs here, because well oligarchs akhmetov, it is clear that under the americans he is 100% under them.

kolomoisky, as you know, is also in prison under the americans and, so to speak, sits and keeps quiet, that is why all, so to speak, our oligarchs, who at one time played the role of some independent people, yes, i told them at one time, guys, i say, you are, so to speak, playing the wrong way, in the wrong direction, because you think that we are bad, but you will see that you will be torn apart, that is, they did not like us, but in december i told them thirteenth year... said that you will all be torn apart, because you are absolutely of no use to anyone, the americans do not need you, simply in fact you are not needed, so now you are puffing yourselves up, that we have a party there, we have a movement there, we have accounts there, we have money there, we have, so to speak, all sorts of internet, we have television channels there, they will take everything away from you, well, am i wrong, look, they took everything from this kolomoisky that could be taken away, akhmetov was left there with one quarter, from that... he had, well, i

i don't want to talk about them any further, it's not worth it, so to speak, to discuss them, but at the same time, they are still factories, enterprises, people, that is, workers, engineers and so on, from this point of view i always had to work with them, and not just send them, yes, nikolaych, the oligarchs turned out to be inflated, they certainly weren't patriots of their country who sold out to the west, and not only that, it's not just an ethical... of the soviet union, who are now trying to flirt with the west, for them too, they too will be left without pants and completely undressed. nikolayovich, thank you very much, i will remind you, we talked with the former prime minister of ukraine nikolay azarov. another topic, which is extremely

important, is certainly the changes to our so -called nuclear doctrine, and these issues have been discussed for a very long time, including on our broadcasts and... this week, the president, in my opinion , put an end to this issue, while the official decree on changes to the document has not yet been published, but those things that the head of state said, and have already made a lot of noise is not the word, probably because with on the one hand, the western media froze, they didn’t even understand, this was a shock for them, because our supreme commander-in-chief clearly set up... of course, then there were many different comments from western officials and well, probably of a more

average level, but nevertheless, that is, those decisions that were expected this week, i mean permission to strike our country, deep into our territory, they... what do they think? good afternoon, alexander, thank you for the invitation, do they really think, the question, as you correctly said, about long-range strikes on russian territory have faded into the background, it has not been removed, but

for some time he said that part of the military-political bliss, well, first of all, these are the military and intelligence officers. inclined to take seriously the words that president putin said, but there are other people in the leadership of both the united states and the two other nuclear powers who continue to adhere to the illusory point of view that russia can, russia can...

what the president said some time ago in st. petersburg, that indirect the war waged by the united states and its allies against russia under certain conditions, and these conditions could be precisely the transfer of long-range weapons to ukraine could become a direct war, that is , we will consider the united states and...

missiles in large quantities as an attack on a country that will require a nuclear response, in fact, a response to a counter-strike, these are two very large innovations, well, plus another statement that an attack on belarus is also a pretext for the use of nuclear weapons weapons, these things are being seriously discussed, and i think that in the calculations of western... politicians and the military and the intelligence community, these factors have already come, and dmitry vitalyevich, i want to remember about the book, you are one of the co-authors, sergei karaganov, and you still tell me, here is your

position, do you think that the changes that are currently being prepared, that will be published, are they - from your expert point of view, complete in nature or will something perhaps need to be added? well, look, the president said that the meeting on issues strategic stability - this is... these are very important innovations, but they may well be followed by other innovations, well,

for example, in our military doctrine it is written that in conditions of the use of conventional weapons in an armed conflict, when the existence of the state is under threat, russia considers the use of nuclear weapons, but in my opinion. national interests, threats to national interests, should also be a reason for

the use of nuclear weapons, otherwise we will give, as we have already observed, a long time, we we give too many opportunities for our opponents to stir up the situation, escalating it, escalating it, we have already practically approached from javelins to long-range weapons that reach the capital of our homeland. and this is a serious situation, as i understand it, that - tracking changes in the introduction of changes to the doctrine will continue. well, yes, we do not see the full text of the decree yet, well, that open part of it, yes, which should be, perhaps, well, something similar was already in the statement of our supreme commander, namely that this, well, in essence, in essence, this is the bar for the use of nuclear weapons, and... is being lowered, but dmitry vitalyevich, we have criticism from former partners, you are rattling

your weapons, this is vomit, putin will never go for this and so on and so forth, and as i understand it, the president has clearly outlined the positions that will be used, in which situations in which nuclear weapons will be used, unfortunately, this is an extreme measure, all normal people understand this, but nevertheless , you really rightly noted that if...

remember the instinct of self-preservation, not think that you are completely invulnerable, we

have something to stop you with, we have the will to do it, if they are convinced that this is exactly how it is, and not that russia will never dare under any circumstances, there will not be enough will, there will not be enough one, two, three, something will not work, and they will succeed, as they say, with a thousand dagger blows, to bleed us dry, then this will be the path to the last resort, when there really is nothing else left, and this will be a tragedy for all of humanity. to stop it, we need to strengthen the nuclear containment. well, yes, dmitry vitalyevich, well, we discussed this a lot on these broadcasts with you, your colleagues, it was clear a few years ago that until a nuclear pistol like bashka is put to them, they will not stop, when they do not feel that they can suffer, hence we see these irresponsible statements, the example of denmark, these baltic tigers have become impudent to

the point of impossibility, they provoke us, of course, this is understandable, but we have strong nerves. but nevertheless, they must understand that if, as it is already customary to say, the russian bear you can poke a stick in the den for a long time, he can respond, and therefore in this sense, as i understand it, we have nevertheless come to these nuclear red lines, i understand correctly, well, what the president pointed out to his, what the president pointed out to his, in his speech at the meeting, yes, these are real red lines, i think that this is...

western drones are operating over the black sea, after which we receive very sensitive strikes in crimea in the black sea region, such drones, generally speaking, need to be turned off, well, they can fall, themselves to ourselves, we know how it happens, they flew-flew fell, why did it fall, well fell, for some reason, yes, well fell, fell, unfortunately,

not enough, fell on one, so to speak, they peed, i ask. a marker that we are not joking, that it is not only about words, and of course, this is not vomit, in no way vomit. yes, dmitry vitalyevich, but the situation is extremely tense now, does not it seem to you that now they are rising to the maximum. rates as conditions for real negotiations in order to, because here are the data, for example, today westerners write that the us intelligence service allegedly reports to its president that the russians will respond seriously to the fact that if we allow ukraine to strike at internal targets of russia, and so on, that is, there are signals that say that after all, very soon

there will be some real step, and yes, this is still the moment.

in order to destroy, to remove those problems that led to the need, the beginning of a special military operation in ukraine, we are not talking about negotiating with zelensky or anyone else, or simply stopping fire, because the west's point of view has changed, because ukraine is losing, oh, it is losing, so it is necessary, it is necessary to stop the war and bring it to its senses a little, that... in the next round it would continue this war, continue the west's work to weaken russia, we are not interested in this at all. dmitrievich, yes, it is clear that if now.

to the limit of safe, relatively safe escalation, safe from the point of view of nuclear war, avoiding a nuclear war, excuse me, yes, dmitry vitalyevich, after all, this un general assembly, this is after all, as i understand it, an attempt to incline the global south to put pressure on us, so to speak, here is an indirect confirmation, here recently the indian authorities declared, i will give as an example, that they will not buy our gas from the arctic with pg-2 sanctions, for example, it is not very clear why they did not buy before, now they do not buy, and in general there are such signals from

our partners in the south, well, this is in my opinion, maybe it is wrong, and that they are trying to somehow move us towards these negotiations, don't you have such a feeling? yes, they are trying, but they are trying with unsuitable means, i think that this will not be successful, excuse me, alexander, i have to stop for one moment, thank you very much. well, now in belgorod, from there comes a message about a new attack by the ukrainian armed forces, what is known at this moment, we will find out from our special correspondent yegor grigoriev, he is also in direct contact with us, but for now he is not here, maybe he will appear now, well, it is clear. that the kiev regime will not stop and will continue its provocations, yegor, hello, what information do you have at the moment, yes, hello, literally

half an hour ago we heard how the air defense worked, one of the targets was shot down, well, the second one, we don’t know exactly yet what it was, a shell or it hit an apartment building, this is the belgorod district, the so-called microdistrict at... we see behind my back that a munition landed 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, sixth, seventh floor, in fact it was a direct hit, you can pay attention that there are no traces of traces visible on the hood, yes on the facade of the building, and the emergencies ministry rescuers, who put up a special ladder there, climbed up to help, if they found injured people there, yes, they said that of course all the partitions were completely taken out, by a lucky chance, no one was there, the rescuers have a word, the wives have two apartments, one has broken windows, in the other, well, the partitions were taken out there are completely damaged, well,

through and through, it turns out there were no people , no people, no one, they examined everything, here on the street there was someone, well, a girl, well, a young girl, well, we too they arrived and took her away. well , the victim was taken to the hospital, about ten cars were damaged, maybe more, right now an inventory is being made, car owners together with municipal authorities are making, recording their damaged property, well, and it is worth noting, eyewitnesses, as they told us, that they did not hear the characteristic sounds of the uav flight, you were at home at that moment, yes, you heard something special. there was no sound at all, immediately as the plane crossed the barrier, there was such a sound, that's it, we calmed down, it was normal, and then the window, that is, you thought that the supersonic sound would go away, yes,

such a clear sound of an airplane, looked out the window, smoke came out, well, you ran out onto the street here, the car was damaged a little there, well, nothing, people are alive, the most important thing, well, nine shells were fired at the belgorod region in the current day and nine unmanned... aerial vehicles damaged a house, damaged one of the cars, well, and the most important thing is the gas supply lines, power lines, and many villages in the belgorod region are still without electricity today, they can't without light even start restoration work, because there is constant shelling, and well, in a field in the belgorod region near the village of yasny zori, by the way, this village is also cut off now. from the light, in fact, in the field, a combine was damaged, it ran over a mine with its reaper, a bell, which was scattered by terrorists, that's

what was damaged. fortunately, the driver of the combine was not hit, but in the belgorod region also in a day, this is already the second case, yesterday a tractor driver ran over a mine, there, unfortunately, the driver was injured, he was taken to the hospital, the second attack of the nagrariy, this is the krasnoyaruzhsky district, in grafovka, the village of shibekinsky district 11 shells and things, two private houses were damaged, well, returning to today...

no military equipment, they are specifically trying to cause as much harm as possible to ordinary belgorod residents, emergency services continue to work on the scene, the firefighters have done their job, they will continue to remove the rubble, rake, make a warm outline , describe all the damaged property in order to compensate people for the damage. in the studio, thank you, egor, our special correspondent was from belgorod, egor grigoriev. let's get back to the news from dagestan, there is new information from the ministry of emergency situations, the death toll from the explosion at a gas station in makhachkala has risen to 10. 21 people were injured, this, let me remind you, is reported by the ministry of emergency situations. after a short commercial, our broadcast will continue with the vesti program. duty part.

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